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Bret, Sal, Doc, GOD

KC Aug 23 2005 06:59 AM

>>>KC--this is exactly the sort of thread that promises to elicit some entirely unnecessary comments on my right to spout such garbage, or to question my standing, as a non-Mets fan, to opine such here. No big deal, but it happens, and it's a waste of time and energy, and I deplore it. if you disagree, fine, Disagree with what I'm saying, but please don't get into a diversionary side discussion of my supposed disloyalty. Thanks.<<< You have one hell of a nerve throwing this bullshit in my face. For the last two years you have been nothing but a distraction here. You have one admin who obviously wants nothing to do with you at all, and you've driven a wedge between me and the other admins. We won't even go back to the olden days when you drove away a few posters because they didn't suit your fancy, but on this new forum you have caused by my count about a half-dozen people to stop posting too. I may get a little carried away here from time to time and lord knows I ain't gonna win any popularity contests with a handful of the people here, but just who do you think you are to tell us what you deplore or to comment on MY behavior?

Bret Sabermetric Aug 29 2005 07:01 AM

By your count, name the half-dozen I've driven away, please? I'm surprised your sunny personality, and that of your fellow admin, haven't been sufficiently cheerful to draw them back in, plus many more besides. Let's see--there's Bill and Becky. You really wanted them cluttering up this place, now, didn't you? Do I get credit for driving Paulie away? Edgy would love it if I were somehow to get Paulie posting again, right? I will take credit for driving Frankie out of here. Do you want him so badly? And I supposedly drove WP out as well--but he's back, and we're getting along fine. After that, I'm coming up dry.

KC Aug 29 2005 09:47 AM

Just don't yack on about my behavior when you have a GIGANTIC checkered online past. I've ignored a lot, don't turn the tables on me at this point and throw down what you deplore from Mount Salamander, is really the only point I wanted to make.

Bret Sabermetric Aug 29 2005 12:00 PM

I wasn't aware I was throwing anything up in your face, much less a load of bullcrap. I was mentioning preemptively the fact that my dissident posts (such as that one) often drew a lot of inappropriate backlash, and I addressed the remarks to you because you're often claiming not to be aware of when that has happened. I was tellling you (or trying to tell you) to watch for the shitstorm that usually follows one of my baseball-related-but-critical posts, that's all. I wasn't trying to get on your case, particularly, and I'm sorry you took it that way. You need to tell me I have a checkered Internet past like you need to tell George W. he did a lot of blow back in the day. We know it, and we don't like having it brought up.

KC Aug 29 2005 02:57 PM

Oh, it's all so clear to me now. It's like I took some of that ginkoba. Fine, instead I'll remind you that I don't need special preemptive warnings of pending shitstorms of inappropriate backlash drawn by your dissident- baseball-related-but-critical posts whether they exist here or in your head or both places.

Willets Point Aug 29 2005 03:08 PM

This is a very slow flamewar.

Bret Sabermetric Aug 29 2005 03:33 PM

HOO-WAH! I'm just getting started!!

KC Aug 29 2005 03:36 PM

I'm already done. Have fun.

Bret Sabermetric Aug 29 2005 04:37 PM

Oh boy. This means I can jump up and down all over you, and chant Polynesian war oaths, and mock you and stuff, right? And you won' t hit back? Just the way I like it. What a guy!

KC Aug 29 2005 06:21 PM

>>>This means I can jump up and down all over you, and chant Polynesian war oaths, and mock you and stuff, right?<<< Sure, but keep it in the Red Light Forum. Actually, I believe it was your idea to create the Red Light Forum. Here's a feather, stick it in your Sawx cap. Besides, I'm right and you're wrong. I'm always right. So there.

Bret Sabermetric Aug 29 2005 07:46 PM

Nope, all Edgy, all the time. He gets 100% of the credit for thinking up this place, and it's his baby.

KC Aug 31 2005 01:51 PM

For someone who hates us and thinks we're all dumbasses you sure are spending a lot of time here again.

cooby Aug 31 2005 10:07 PM Re: Bret, Sal, Doc, GOD

KC wrote: on this new forum you have caused by my count about a half-dozen people to stop posting too. Here, I'll help. gf212121 (Swan Swan) And I have known that for months, he wrote and told me then. This is not a guess.

ABG Aug 31 2005 10:24 PM

Just go away already.

KC Sep 01 2005 07:29 AM

I wasn't aware that gf was among the casualties, I wish he had confided in me. A bunch of us met him this spring at Virgil's (I think he won the door prize). I have to print out Rockin's chart and study it better, I thought gf had one of the newer monickers here for sure. That just saddens the crap out of me, and it's partially my fault. By allowing myself to get in to the stupid pissing contests (which are always unwinnable because of the techiques used by the slimy tailed amphibian) I am in fact an enabler. Like a battered spouse or drunkard, I keep going back for more. I don't know why Sal acts the way he does, he's a kind and reasonable person offline - at least on the surface - from what I could tell. KB liked him, we met him and his daughter for a game a number of weeks ago. I'll try to do better and if anyone has a way to get gf to participate again - please try to do so.

cooby Sep 01 2005 09:50 AM

KC, I can assure you, it has nothing to do with you

Valadius Sep 01 2005 10:07 AM

This whole bloody argument is stupid.

KC Sep 01 2005 10:50 AM

He, uh thanks, Prof. Obvious.

Bret Sabermetric Sep 01 2005 07:46 PM

Hey, I was nice to gf in Virgil's this spring. I thought we got along fine. Didn't call him any names, didn't insult his ethnic heritage, didn't swipe his corn bread, and I don't think I ever got into any serious disputes with him online either. Of course, I may be wrong about that (I like arguing baseball, and I do hold some contrary views that people take personal objections to, and all, I know I do.) If you give me his e-mail (you know mine) I'd be glad to apologize to him and try to see where things went wrong.

ABG Feb 28 2006 05:09 PM

Can I just ask what the point is anymore? How many threads have to dissolve into fights and bickering? Bret is an obviously knowledgeable poster, but what is he bringing to the table that otherwise couldn't be had? Contrast his contributions with what inevitably happens (not assigning blame, just looking at the facts) when he posts in a thread. Where's the value in his continuing to post here to anyone but him? In my opinion, negativity is more than fine so long as it's substantive and not based on a constant need to push some longstanding agenda and settle some long forgotten (by everyone else) scores. So, I pose the question--what's the point? Would this board not be a better place if BS were simply shown the door? I realize I'm not at the epicenter of CPF politics, and that precedent would show that the admins don't like to ban people, but as someone who just wants to read and discuss things on the board, I feel that this place would be much more enjoyable without all this crap everywhere.

KC Feb 28 2006 07:54 PM

There is no epicenter of CPF politics. This is one of least admin'd baseball boards you will ever come across. The joint is a very smooth running place as places go. There are four active admins - I'm in charge of backup and recovery, Edge's in charge of moderating and does more than any of us to keep things moving disucssion wise, Yance is our database expert, and the Squid Dude swims in every Thursday and archives stuff up. The most important thing to me is that we don't over-moderate, we don't tell poeple what to do (although a few grumble otherwise, but not often) and we don't discuss the goings on of this place via email and private messages. We don't care. I'm sorry if it upsets posters that Bret and I bicker, re-reading this thread I ain't gonna say it ain't gonna happen again but for my part I'll do my best.

ABG Mar 01 2006 09:29 AM

Fair enough.

Bret Sabermetric Mar 03 2006 01:13 PM

ABG wrote: Can I just ask what the point is anymore? How many threads have to dissolve into fights and bickering? Bret is an obviously knowledgeable poster, but what is he bringing to the table that otherwise couldn't be had? Contrast his contributions with what inevitably happens (not assigning blame, just looking at the facts) when he posts in a thread. Where's the value in his continuing to post here to anyone but him? In my opinion, negativity is more than fine so long as it's substantive and not based on a constant need to push some longstanding agenda and settle some long forgotten (by everyone else) scores. So, I pose the question--what's the point? Would this board not be a better place if BS were simply shown the door? I realize I'm not at the epicenter of CPF politics, and that precedent would show that the admins don't like to ban people, but as someone who just wants to read and discuss things on the board, I feel that this place would be much more enjoyable without all this crap everywhere. Thank you for your support.

Vic Sage Mar 08 2006 02:02 PM

]So, I pose the question--what's the point? There is none. The CPF, like existence itself, is utterly meaningless. But thats hardly a reason to stop showing up. ]Would this board not be a better place if BS were simply shown the door? No. But thanks for asking.

MFS62 Mar 08 2006 02:17 PM

Actually, some of the exchanges are quite fascinating. They tend to be well written and are of a philosophical nature. They could have been written in Edwardian England with the writers getting close to challenging the other to a duel or in Midieval times as Theologeans debated how many Angels could fit on the head of a pin. They make for some interesting reading. But I guess that's as long as you're not the "topicee". No, nobody should be banned for an opinion, whether we disagree with it or not. But at some point it does became repetitious. Later

Nymr83 Mar 08 2006 10:04 PM

there definetaly comes a point where a given thread needs to be locked and parties need to go to the red light forum or a private discussion, but i dont think anyone needs to be banned unless they were actively trying to screw up the site (say by spamming pornography posts and stuff)

Bret Sabermetric Mar 10 2006 12:19 PM

This whole "killbuzz" thing of KC's is something I find interesting. The idea that my beliefs about the Mets (that they're a badly run organization, that they're less committed to winning than most CPFers think, that they're almost nakedly about dollars-and-cents rather than wins-and-losses, that Willie's stint as manager is largely cosmetic, etc.) are bad mostly because they're destructive to your pleasure in following the Mets is a very odd idea. I know this is fighting words, but it's basically the same argument that Ms. Met used to make: "I don't care what's true and not true, I care about enjoying the Mets." But I DO care primarily about what I think is true and what's not true, and I can't enjoy the Mets very much while I believe these things. If it bums you out to discuss these issues, it's your privilege to be bummed out. If you want to argue about them, that's what I'm here for. If you make silly statements in support of your beliefs, I'll make fun of your silliness. If you make sound argument, I may be persauded by them to concede your point. If you want to treat like I'm not here, like your oh-so-mature head admin does, I certainly can't force you to acknowledge my points, although I don't intend to stop making those points, or to stop mocking Edgy for his cowardice and rudeness in refusing to acknowledge my presence here. Personally, I think I'm performing a service in allowing you to test out your valid ideas and your foolish ones while arguing your points with me. I happen to think a site that consists of "My Mets, Right or Wrong, Drunk or Sober--hooray" is far more boring than my repeating my beliefs. This whole repetition thing is getting old anyway. Do I really need to point out how other posters repeat shit time and time again and no one says "boo," much less "ban him" for committing these crimes of repetition? You're fooling yourself if you think I'm much more repeitious or boring or incoherent than this site is in general. It's all about the content, people, but the protests are disguised as being all about the tone or the repetition or the cursing or anything else that comes to mind. Do you folks realize that KC (I think seriously) sent me a e-mail questioning why I was not institutionalized (again, I think he was dead serious) after I used the words "faeces" and "vomit" in a post? I appreciate the concern, but I have to wonder if these e-mails go out after every CPFer's reference to a term twice as vulgar or obscene than either of those two rather formal terms. I wonder what kind of e-mails the people discussing the whole "Dirty Sanchez" issue got from KC? Maybe he didn't e-mail them at all but simply sent the men with straight jackets directly to their homes.

KC Mar 10 2006 12:54 PM

I'm not playing your cleverly worded games anymore, Sal. You spin a web like this and hope the flies come running to get caught up in it. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt and that you feel so abandoned or whatever it is that you feel, but I refuse to take responsibility for it. You can try and paint me as some kind of internet prick who goes around picking on you all you want. You full well know that I emailed you because we had a guest on board and didn't feel the post was necessary. I don't even remember the whole story - I got over it pretty quickly, I wish you would too. The people here, for the most part, like both of us a great deal and this whole me against the world thing is just not worth the energy you put into it. Hope to see ya next Sunday.

Bret Sabermetric Mar 10 2006 10:49 PM

I'm not paranoid. Somebody was urging you to ban me. Somewhere on this page, I think. Or is this just part of my "me against the world" paranoia? Christ, you have threads where Saint Edward discusses a tiny-testicled guy humping a Coke machine--not a syllable of protest from KC. How about the threads where Ralph discusses his ass, and the tendancy of CPF threads to surround said ass? Nope, that's just good ribald humor. How about the CPF commonplace phrase "Sucks hairy moose cock"? Uh-uh--just boys being boys. How about bbbyyy? But let me put the word "faeces" into a thread having NUH-thing to do with the august visitor from the plump, stately Daily Nooz--and I get an e-mail asking me if I've lost my mind? Well, maybe I have, because in my own paranoid way, I think that's strange.

KC Mar 10 2006 11:21 PM

You need to spend some time with ashtray. She's the bomb and then some. I hope she decides to post.

Matt Murdock, Esq. Mar 13 2006 02:36 AM

]How about the threads where Ralph discusses his ass, and the tendancy of CPF threads to surround said ass? You just proved my point!