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metirish
Aug 27 2008 02:33 PM

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Pirates place Alvarez on restricted list; signing in jeopardy


The Pittsburgh Pirates' signing of Pedro Alvarez, the No. 2 pick in the baseball's amateur draft, may be in jeopardy.

The Pirates on Wednesday announced that at the team's request, Major League Baseball has placed Alvarez on the restricted list because Alvarez's agent, Scott Boras, informed the team that Alvarez would not sign the contract and wants it renegotiated.

In a related development, the case has been forwarded to the players' association, which plans to file a grievance against Major League Baseball, claiming that the Alvarez contract was approved in violation of the collective bargaining agreement. The union claims that Alvarez agreed to his contract after the Aug. 15 midnight deadline. It's possible for clubs to receive an extension in negotiations, but only with the players' association approval.

The team, in a prepared statement, said it was informed by Boras that Alvarez, a highly-touted third baseman who played at Vanderbilt, would not report to the team until the team renegotiated his contract and agreed to pay him more than the $6 million signing bonus to which he agreed.

Boras also claimed that the contract was agreed to after the deadline, the team said.

"This claim was not raised on the evening of the 15th when we informed Mr. Boras that Major League Baseball had confirmed that the contract was submitted in a timely fashion," the team said. "Mr. Boras asserted this claim several days later, after all of the draft signings had become publicized."

"Regrettably, we are not surprised that Mr. Boras would attempt to raise a meritless legal claim in an effort to compel us to renegotiate Pedro's contract to one more to his liking," the team said. "We are, however, disappointed that Pedro would allow his agent to pursue this claim on his behalf. "

Boras, reached by ESPN.com, said the matter was a dispute between Major League Baseball and the players' association.

"Pedro Alvarez never received a contract from the Pittsburgh Pirates," Boras told ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick. "We're awaiting the determination of a grievance filed by the union against the commissioner's office."

The team also said it had been assured by the commissioner's office that it's contract with Alvarez is a valid, and that MLB "will vigorously defend any claim to the contrary."

The Pirates bypassed Boras clients previously because they were unwilling to meet his demands for signing bonuses over the slotting system designed when Pirates president Frank Coonelly was a labor lawyer for MLB.

Once Coonelly accepted the Pirates job, he and general manager Neal Huntington said the team would not be scared off by Boras-represented clients and would draft players based on their ability, not their agent.

The signing of Alvarez has been seen as crucial to the future of the Pirates, who are headed for their 16th consecutive losing season. The team's previous management had been criticized for lackluster scouting and drafting, and the signing of Alvarez offered the new management team a chance to break from that history.

ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

metirish
Aug 27 2008 02:36 PM

A $6 million signing bonus is not enough , it's crazy and how can smaller market teams compete with that?

AG/DC
Aug 27 2008 02:38 PM

Create a system where there's no such thing as a small market team.

Nymr83
Aug 27 2008 03:15 PM

they are already sharing so much revenue that teams like the Marlins aren't paying a dime of their own player payroll. i don't think its anything more than a few owners who are cheapskates, though i wouldn't give such a huge bonus to an unproven nobody either, and i really hate scott boras.

Frayed Knot
Aug 27 2008 05:06 PM

This doesn't have anything to do with big-market/small market.
Boras is simply looking for a loophole in order to get Alvarez declared a FA so he can negotiate an open-market contract that'll make the $6mil one he just signed look like pocket change. He would have done so just as quickly to a big market club.

metirish
Aug 27 2008 05:17 PM

I admittedly don't know much about the rules on players that are drafted.

Some questions , weather he is in fact signed or not can

1) A player who is drafted become a FA?

2) Don't players who don't sign usually go back to college?

Frayed Knot
Aug 27 2008 07:22 PM

1) Not normally, no. What Boras is trying to do here is create a FA through a technicality.
If you go [u:90178185ae]UN[/u:90178185ae]drafted then you become what is logically called an undrafted FA. At that point you can then sign with any team - although the fact that you were ignored generally means you're not real hot property and only real late bloomers become big leaguers via that route.

2) Most college players drafted are Juniors so, yes, if you don't like the money being offered (or just like being in college) you can return for a Senior year.
Most players, however, don't like to do that becuase a senior will have less leverage in negotiations the following year since the threat of going back to school isn't there anymore.

AG/DC
Aug 27 2008 08:03 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
This doesn't have anything to do with big-market/small market.
Boras is simply looking for a loophole in order to get Alvarez declared a FA so he can negotiate an open-market contract that'll make the $6mil one he just signed look like pocket change. He would have done so just as quickly to a big market club.


His point being that in an open marketplace, poorer teams would tend to lose out on such a high profile player.

Frayed Knot
Aug 27 2008 08:06 PM

Except that, in this case, they're not losing out on him (if they indeed do) because of a lack of funds or the willingness to spend it.
They reached a deal, it's just that Boras thinks he sees an out and a road to a better one.



On edit: Or I guess you're saying that [u:c629541ba5]if and when[/u:c629541ba5] it becomes an open-market situation that Pitt would be behind the eight-ball.
In that case, yes.

metirish
Aug 28 2008 09:20 AM

From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


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Arbiter to decide Alvarez's fate with Pirates

Union files grievance, contending contract agreement came too late

Thursday, August 28, 2008

By Dejan Kovacevic, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Was it a minute before midnight?

A minute after?

The Pirates and first-round draft pick Pedro Alvarez are publicly disputing precisely when the Vanderbilt University third baseman verbally agreed to a $6 million signing bonus -- before or after Major League Baseball's midnight Aug. 15 deadline -- and that could cost the franchise its highest-profile prospect in a decade.

That is, if an arbitrator decides that the passing of the deadline even mattered.

The MLB Players Association yesterday filed a grievance against commissioner Bud Selig's office - not on behalf of Alvarez, who is not a major league player -- alleging that Alvarez's agreement and others from the same date were executed past midnight and, thus, were in violation of MLB's labor pact. Each side will make its case before arbitrator Shyam Das Sept. 10 in New York, and his ruling will be binding.

The grievance, a copy of which was obtained by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, charges that Selig's office "unilaterally determined" that negotiations could proceed past midnight. It did not did not name any players, though Alvarez's case largely prompted it. It also did not specify what action the union is seeking, though general counsel Mike Weiner said that will be established after more research.

"It is the union's obligation, on behalf of all players, to defend the integrity of its collectively bargained agreements," Weiner said.

If the arbitrator should rule for the union, according to two baseball executives who declined to be named, he likely will have three courses for action:

• Scrap the previous agreement and send the Pirates and Alvarez into new negotiations. This is known to be the preference of Alvarez's renowned agent, Scott Boras, who would welcome the chance at a higher bonus. But there is no precedent for such a decision.

• Allow Alvarez to go back into the draft class for next year. The Pirates picked him No. 2 overall June 5, and they would be compensated with No. 3 overall next year.

• Decide that his ruling should apply only to future instances.

The executives said the third option is the most likely, based on arbitration precedent for MLB's labor laws as they apply to the commissioner using his discretion.


"He would say this is how it's going to be going forward," one executive said.

MLB, which approved the Alvarez agreement and the others, will build its case on the stance that minor league contracts do not apply within the labor pact as it pertains to this matter. Alvarez's agreement called for a minor league contract.

Rob Manfred, MLB's vice president of labor relations, acknowledged that the commissioner's office granted permission to more than one team -- without specifying the Pirates -- to proceed beyond the midnight Aug. 15 deadline. But he called the union's grievance "entirely without merit," adding that the deadline "was extended to accept minor league contracts" and that "it is settled law that the arbitration panel has no authority to disturb such minor league contracts."

Pirates president Frank Coonelly, whose job until last year was MLB's general labor counsel, sounded confident that the commissioner's office will prevail.

"The office has assured us that we have a valid contract with Pedro and that it will vigorously defend any claim to the contrary," Coonelly said.

Alvarez had been conspicuously missing since his agreement, and the Pirates attempted to explain that away by citing "travel issues" or other "complications" involving Boras. They also publicly stressed the importance of Alvarez reporting as soon as possible to take his physical, have his introductory news conference and, most important, prepare for a fall playing assignment in Arizona or Hawaii.

Yesterday, though, everything came out in a rush.

It began early in the afternoon with Coonelly issuing a lengthy statement led by the news that the Pirates had placed Alvarez on MLB's restricted list. That is mostly a formality, one that prevents Alvarez from signing with another team.

Deeper into that statement, Coonelly, a long-time rival of Boras because of Coonelly's previous job, charged Boras with telling the Pirates Alvarez will not report unless the team increases the $6 million bonus. He also accused Boras of usurping his client's best interests.

"Regrettably, we are not surprised that Mr. Boras would attempt to raise a meritless legal claim in an effort to compel us to renegotiate Pedro's contract to one more to his liking," Coonelly said.

Boras responded to the statement in a phone interview with the Post-Gazette: "The Pirates violated Major League Baseball rules and have issued a nearly 600-word statement to make their actions out to be my fault. I think it's time for the Pirates and Mr. Coonelly to come clean with the fans of Pittsburgh and let everyone know about their dealings with Pedro Alvarez."

Flashing back to Aug. 15, here is each camp's view of how that night played out ...

The parties agree that there were several discussions between Boras and general manager Neal Huntington, the Pirates' lead negotiator, in the three days leading up Aug. 15. But, on that date, there was no communication until minutes before midnight.

A source on the Alvarez side maintained yesterday that the Pirates' offer was $5 million. Coonelly wrote in his statement that the Pirates were were "willing and ready to pay Pedro a $6 million signing bonus" right after he was drafted, but no one with the team disputes the $5 million figure for deadline day. Boras' figure was $9.5 million, including a major league contract.

Each side agreed that Huntington phoned Boras at 11:56 p.m. with the Pirates' offer now up to $6 million. The parties were disconnected two minutes later, then quickly reconnected. This time, it was Alvarez - seated next to Boras in the agent's California office -- on the phone with Huntington.

The stories mostly split from here.

A Pirates source maintained that Alvarez almost immediately spoke the words, "I accept," into the phone, thus validating the agreement. Huntington then turned to a nearby assistant and shouted, "Send it!" to relay an emailed copy of the agreement - with all details - to MLB headquarters in New York. The team originally offered two different times for that happening, 11:58 or 11:59. Alvarez then stayed on the phone with Huntington for a short spell, Boras never rejoining the conversation.

Coonelly went so far as to praise Alvarez in his statement for his "tremendous fortitude and independent thinking" in that moment.

The Alvarez side concurred that Alvarez accepted, but the contention is that it occurred after midnight.

Through all this, according to the Pirates source, the team was in touch by phone with MLB headquarters, acknowledging that some of that contact continued beyond midnight. Three other teams also were believed to be in contact with MLB - the Kansas City Royals, San Francisco Giants and Washington Nationals - for similar purposes.

In 2007, MLB granted a midnight exception to the Texas Rangers for outfielder Julio Borbon, a Boras client, the only one before this year under the most recent labor pact.

It is not known which of the three this year might have continued beyond midnight, but Coonelly singled out the Royals in his statement, saying they reached agreement with first baseman Eric Hosmer, another Boras client, after the Pirates did with Alvarez.

"Mr. Boras is apparently satisfied with the $6 million bonus he secured for Mr. Hosmer and has not challenged the validity of that contract," Coonelly said.

The source on the Alvarez side said Boras contacted the union about an hour after the deadline. The Pirates did not learn of that until two days later.

The sides agree that no money has been discussed, should a new negotiations be imposed by the arbitrator.

Alvarez's agreement called for $3 million this year, the same amount the next. Because no actual contract was tendered or signed after the agreement - both sides agree on that, too -- no money has exchanged hands. Even if one had been signed, no money would have been paid until 90 days elapsed.

Coonelly's statement included several clear attempts to steer Alvarez away from Boras, including writing that he was "disappointed" Alvarez would go along with this new course.

"Despite our disappointment, we continue to believe in Pedro Alvarez the person and the baseball player and remain excited to add Pedro to our system," Coonelly said. "We will sit down with Pedro and his family as soon as Mr. Boras' claim is rejected to chart a new and much more productive start to Pedro's career with the Pittsburgh Pirates."

There has been no indication on the Alvarez side of disunity between him and Boras. Nor has there been any indication that Alvarez does not want to play for the Pirates.

Dejan Kovacevic can be reached at dkovacevic@post-gazette.com.

Frayed Knot
Aug 30 2008 06:58 AM

This story gets a little bit bigger as the Royals #3 overall pick Eric Hosmer was pulled out of his game in the Pioneer League because the commisioner's office has temporarily unapproved his contract pending a September 10th hearing .

From Baseball Prospectus:
This is obviously related to the grievance filed by the union related to the Pedro Alvarez deal, and the Pirates‘ official response, which noted that Hosmer’s deal with the Royals came into the commissioner’s office even later than Alvarez’ did.
An ugly situation just got a whole lot uglier, and I bet we’re not even close to done yet. Plenty of time between now and the hearing date

attgig
Sep 02 2008 02:29 PM

reading some other stuff about this. it's ridiculous that Boras would fight for what... an extra 1/2 mil? extra mil? I don't understand what Boras is going to gain from this besides cementing his place as the biggest ahole in baseball.

Let's say, out of some crazy crap, they get 7 mil instead of 6mil. then what? if alverez is as good as he says he is... that'll be what. a tenth of what he's going to make 10 years from now? not even? it'll be a freakin drop in the bucket for him in the long term.

AND it screws over Hosmer. I would love to see Hosmer drop Borass as his agent and go with someone else, since all this crap is slowing down his timeline to get into the Majors and get his arb elligible years ticking.

Frayed Knot
Sep 02 2008 02:53 PM

Your last setence is a key; "all this crap is slowing down his timeline to get into the Majors and get his arb elligible years ticking".
His seemingly obsessive fighting for extra up-front money doesn't always work out best for the client in the long run.

BP's Kevin Goldstein gave a nice review of [url=http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8012]past Boras battles[/url] last week.

metirish
Sep 02 2008 03:46 PM

Excellent link , hard to believe it's been ten years since Drew.

AG/DC
Sep 02 2008 05:25 PM

Every time Boras gets one of these guys to work with him on this, he puts another crack in the draft systems.

Frayed Knot
Sep 22 2008 11:38 AM

Alvarez and Pittsburgh agree to a new deal, reportedly worth as much as $1million more (different accounting methods vary) over the life of the deal as compared to the negated one from last month.
This avoids the arbitration hearing that this mess was headed for.

attgig
Sep 22 2008 12:07 PM

all that worthless annoying crap raised for 6.4 mil vs 6 mil.

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frickin borass