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="KC":1t60h360] ...in one move, the team president Donnie Walsh stirred memories of better times and chased off a ghost. Whether it amounts to mere symbolism or good karma remains to be seen.[/quote:1t60h360]
I honestly think that is the only reason they made this move.
P.R. Pure and simple.
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Valadius
Sep 04 2008 01:27 PM
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Probably the best purely P.R. trade EVER.
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TheOldMole
Sep 25 2008 05:59 PM
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Trailed closely by their re-signing Allan Houston.
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Vic Sage
Oct 07 2008 08:19 AM
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[u:1p02yppd]12-man Roster:[/u:1p02yppd]
Chandler, Wilson , F / 6-8 / 220 (21)
Collins, Mardy, G / 6-6 / 220 (24)
Crawford, Jamal, G /6-5/ 190 (28)
Curry, Eddy, C /6-11/ 285 (25)
Duhon, Chris, PG /6-1/ 185 (26)
Lee, David, FC /6-9/ 240 (25)
Marbury, Stephon, G / 6-2/ 205 (31)
Randolph, Zach, FC /6-9/ 260 (27)
Richardson, Quentin, GF /6-6/ 235 (28)
Roberson, Anthony, G /6-2/ 180 (25)
Robinson, Nate, G /5-9/ 180 (24)
Rose, Malik, F /6-7/ 255 (34)
[u:1p02yppd]DL/IR (3):[/u:1p02yppd]
Gallinari, Danilo, F /6-8/ 210 (20)*
James, Jerome, FC /7-1/ 285 (33)
Jeffries, Jared, FC /6-11/ 240 (27)
[u:1p02yppd] what are these guys doing in camp? (3)[/u:1p02yppd]
Ewing Jr., Patrick, F /6-8/ 240 (24)*
Grunfeld, Dan, G /6-6/ 220 (24)*
Houston, Allan, SG /6-6/ 205 (37)
* = rookie
[u:1p02yppd]Projected rotation:[/u:1p02yppd]
[u:1p02yppd]starters[/u:1p02yppd]: Duhon / Crawford / Richardson / Randolph / Lee
[u:1p02yppd]Rotation[/u:1p02yppd]: Robinson / Marbury / Chandler / Curry
[u:1p02yppd]bench:[/u:1p02yppd] Collins / Roberson / Rose
[u:1p02yppd]IR:[/u:1p02yppd] Gallinari / James / Jeffries
The starting 5 I'd like to see at some point this season:
Duhon / Robinson / Chandler / Gallinari / Lee
with a half-court unit coming off the bench:
Marbury / Crawford / Richardson / Randolph / Jeffries
...and Curry nailed to the bench like a 2 x 4.
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Farmer Ted
Oct 24 2008 02:10 PM
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This explains the tempo of the team the past few years. Kidding aside, hope it's just and OD and nothing else.
Former New York Knicks coach Isiah Thomas was taken to White Plains Hospital Center today after overdosing on sleeping pills, WABC-TV reported, citing police and unidentified people.
Police were called to Thomas's house in Harrison, New York, just after midnight for a report of a possible overdose of a 46-year-old male, WABC-TV reported, citing police sources. The former NBA basketball player and coach is 47, the network said.
The incident is being treated as an overdose and not a suicide attempt, WABC-TV said, citing police. Officials with the Knicks would tell the network only that Thomas is fine.
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Vic Sage
Oct 24 2008 03:20 PM
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they've released Grunfeld and Houston, picked up the contracts on Collins and Chandler (for `09-`10), and benched Curry. Gallinari is starting to practice. Crawford has been inexplicably awful, giving Marbury time with the starting unit.
Projected rotation:
starters: Duhon / Marbury / Chandler / Randolph / Lee
Rotation: Robinson / Crawford / Q-Rich / Rose
bench: Collins / Roberson / Curry / Ewing (?)
IR: Gallinari / James / Jeffries
I'm not sure what the status is of Ewing, jr. If he's still on the roster, they're still 1 man over the limit.
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Valadius
Oct 27 2008 09:26 PM
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Fucking Knicks keep Roberson over Patrick Ewing, Jr. Pisses me off.
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Nymr83
Oct 27 2008 09:40 PM
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Did you want Ewing kept because of his last name or because you think he's a good NBA-caliber ballplayer?
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Valadius
Oct 27 2008 11:22 PM
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Because he's good in a pinch. Brings a burst of energy onto the court. And because we're so loaded down with shooting guards, keeping Roberson over him boggles my mind.
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metirish
Oct 28 2008 08:05 AM
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Most everything I have read about Ewing Jr is that he doesn't fit into the coaches plans becasue he can't shoot.This team doesn't need to be trading in sentiment , no Ewing and no Houston.
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Vic Sage
Oct 28 2008 10:27 AM
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not everyone has to shoot. somebody has to play with energy, and defensive tenacity, and size.
It seems to me that we're keeping Roberson (what has he ever done, exactly, except get an $800k contract out of the knicks based on a handful of summer league games?) and James (who still has 2 years left on his ridiculous Isiah contract) purely for contract reasons.
But the Knicks shouldn't be holding on to guys just because they have bad deals. Those contracts should be viewed as sunk costs, and then you move forward with the best 15 guys you can find.
Junior can't shoot, but he's athletic, big, strong and tenacious. You need guys like that on your bench.
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metirish
Oct 28 2008 10:55 AM
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I can't say I know much about any of them , I saw Ewing bringing the energy against the Nets , is that his game ?
I read today that D'Antoni is a big backer of Roberson , compared him to Eddie House , is that a good thing?
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Vic Sage
Oct 28 2008 01:07 PM
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I guess that means D'Antoni sees Roberson as a guy who can come in off the bench and hit a bunch of 3s. But with 6 other guards on the roster, I just don't see him getting any more playing time than he did during the pre-season (ie, next to none).
whereas, due to Jeffries' injury and Curry's uselessness, we've now got Malik Rose getting time, and i'd much rather see Junior in that role.
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Nymr83
Oct 28 2008 02:10 PM
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from what I read of D'Antoni he plays a very shallow rotation...8 deep with anyone else unlikely to see time anyway
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metirish
Oct 29 2008 11:07 AM
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One beat writer I read today questioned why they kept Jerome James over Ewing.
A pretty cool look at the D'Antoni system.
[url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-knicks-flash-playchart,0,1948250.flash:2dz1dau8]Mike D'Antoni[/url:2dz1dau8]
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A Boy Named Seo
Oct 29 2008 11:40 AM
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That shit works pretty well when Steve Nash is your PG.
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Vic Sage
Oct 29 2008 12:06 PM
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Bingo.
[u:qcc912mp]Here's D'Antoni's career W/L record in the NBA with Steve Nash:[/u:qcc912mp]
2004-05 Phoenix: 62-20
2005-06 Phoenix: 54-28
2006-07 Phoenix: 61-21
2007-08 Phoenix: 55-27
[u:qcc912mp]Now here's his record without Nash:[/u:qcc912mp]
1998-99 Denver: 14-36
2003-04 Phoenix: 21-40
2008-09 Knicks: ?
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metirish
Oct 29 2008 08:20 PM
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An opening night win......I was going back and forth and after three Marbury had not seen any action , did he get in the game?
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Nymr83
Oct 29 2008 09:16 PM
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Player/Minutes
Lee/35
Richardson/28
Randolph/30
Crawford/40
Duhon/38
Chandler/23
Robinson/25
Rose/7
Gallinari/4
Collins/10
Marbury/DNP
Curry/DNP
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Vic Sage
Oct 30 2008 09:20 AM
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was Dantoni making a statement by not playing Starbury, or did he just feel Collins' size was needed to defend Wade?
If Starbury is going to join Curry on the DNP list on a regular basis, how long before he explodes?
what's the O/U... 10 games? 20?
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metirish
Oct 30 2008 09:26 AM
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Got to be a statement , even the beat writers seemed stunned and I read today that there was talk among the coaches of deactivating him for the opener , get the explosion over with now was the point , becasue it's coming the Newsday beat writer thinks.
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Vic Sage
Oct 30 2008 09:58 AM
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are they trying to provoke him into doing something stupid, so they can suspend and/or release him without having to pay off the rest of his contract?
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metirish
Oct 30 2008 10:29 AM
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What would he need to do though to get suspend without pay , punch a coach or something worse?
It's hardly news now that his team mates don't like him , D'Antoni talked about the future when asked about Steph and Curry. Personally I wouldn't care if I didn't see wither of them play this season.
Curry being "stunned" to find out for the media that he is not even in the rotation says it all for me about him , I suppose the coach should have told him but Curry is one lazy fucker.
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Vic Sage
Oct 30 2008 11:09 AM
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Yes, I guess a good old fashioned Spreewellian spree is what might be needed to get out from under the contract... and Starbury's just the sort of loose cannon who might go there, if he stays chained to the bench.
Or maybe he just stops showing up, and they start docking him.
However, i still think he's a better player than Collins and the team would be better off, at least this year, if he got minutes over lesser players. I don't think Collins will EVER be worth the minutes, so his development is not worth sacrificing minutes for, much less games, now.
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metirish
Oct 30 2008 02:17 PM
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Tabloid fodder after one game.
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D'Antoni says he didn't curse out fans
BY ALAN HAHN | alan.hahn@newsday.com
3:30 PM EDT, October 30, 2008
GREENBURGH, N.Y. - Welcome to your first tabloid firestorm, Coach. It only took one game.
Mike D'Antoni on Thursday admitted he did hear the chant of "We Want Steph!" from a section of the sellout crowd at the Garden in the second half of Wednesday's season-opening 120-115 win over the Miami Heat. But while television replays showed D'Antoni yelling, "Are you f--- kidding me?" toward the crowd, what is unclear is if he was directing his anger at the chanting fans -- who were calling for benched guard Stephon Marbury -- or the referees.
"I just thought they didn't quite get it, but they're great fans and they're into it," D'Antoni said when asked about the situation. "It's almost like on draft night, no matter who you draft they're going to boo because there's somebody the fans like and somebody they don't ... You'll hear it from the people that don't and that's OK. It's no big deal."
Last season Isiah Thomas was caught in the crosshairs when he jawed with fans near the Knicks bench and scolded them for not supporting the team. Thomas was the target of the fans ire for the entire season. D'Antoni, however, heard one of the loudest cheers from the crowd during pregame introductions on Wednesday night.
And a majority of the fans seemed to agree with his decision to leave Marbury on the bench for the entire game. But late in the third quarter, with the Knicks ahead by 23 points, some fans in the upper bowl started a chant of "We Want Steph!" After a few attempts, the chant was overcome by loud boos from the rest of the sellout crowd.
But the moment that involved D'Antoni came with 11:10 left in the fourth quarter and, it should be noted, after a foul was called on Mardy Collins. The Knicks were leading at the time, 93-77, and the big lead was already starting to slip away.
A reporter from ESPN Radio said there was also video evidence that D'Antoni added, "What a bunch of a---." Newsday can only confirm D'Antoni's first comment.
After D'Antoni addressed the media immediately following practice, he came back a short while later to re-address the issue and said his words were not directed at the crowd.
"There's no way I would do that to the fans," he said.
D'Antoni then went on to explain that he "coaches with passion" and can get caught up in the emotions of a game and regrettably let out expletives.
"If y'all are going to read my lips during the game there is a lot of stuff I'll be saying that, probably I'll have to be like a football coach," he added while he covered his mouth with a piece of paper. "We'll do that for now on, if that's news.
"I'm really happy the way the team responded and the crowd was fantastic last night. I thought it was a great opening night. That should be the story ... There will be times when I lose it. And that's from adrenaline and wanting to win so much. There was no way I had any animosity toward anybody. I thought the fans were great last night. But it's not always going to be great and not always going to be fun and roses, but I'm really not going to get into, 'Well, you might have said something and I read your lips and I overheard somebody say ... You know, guys, we just played a really good game and I'm really happy with the fans. The atmosphere was great and they can expect more of the same. And we're going to go into the Garden and hope it's rocking and I know they'll support the team and we'll support them and go forward."
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Nymr83
Oct 31 2008 07:44 PM
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Starbury now resides on the inactive list!
Curry with another DNP in game #2.
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Valadius
Oct 31 2008 08:40 PM
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D'Antoni is at least being firm with his players. That's a start.
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metirish
Nov 04 2008 08:27 AM
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The seasons not even a week old and is fast becoming a joke , resolution is needed on Marbury but it seems the GM and the coach are not on the same track with this , Walsh says he doesn't know why Marbury is not playing.
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"The issue is he's not playing and you guys are asking me," Walsh told reporters. "I want to understand why and I want (to ask) our coach (why). If he's got valid reasons, that's one thing. If not ... that's what we're talking about." |
Watching Duhon get outplayed the other night by the Bucks point guard with Marbury not dressing but sitting there makes no sense, the more he's there but not playing the more of a joke this is becoming.
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Vic Sage
Nov 04 2008 09:45 AM
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its very irritating. Frankly, Starbury is handling it better than D'Antoni and Walsh. Stephon's playing it cool and calm, while Mike the savior is cursing out the fans in the stands, and Walsh is scratching his head in confusion.
Collins doesn't deserve minutes. Duhon is a backup at best.
Marbury should be playing, with Robinson as a swing G, and Duhon the 4th G off the bench. Collins should be on the bench, Roberson should be cut, and Ewing re-signed.
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Vic Sage
Nov 06 2008 09:04 AM
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The Knicks top the Bobcats in a similar fashion... breaking out to a big lead and then holding on in the final minutes as the other team makes it close.
still, these were the types of games they lost last year.
and the Starbury situation continues...
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Vic Sage
Nov 13 2008 02:35 PM
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they crush Memphis by 30 and set a team record for 3s.
wow, when Chandler, Crawford and Robinson are all hitting and running, this is a fun team to watch.
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metirish
Nov 14 2008 09:35 AM
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The Italian kid apparently will not need back surgery.
Newsday reporting that Marbury and the Knicks are in talks about a buyout.
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Vic Sage
Nov 14 2008 09:39 AM
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1) good
2) it's about time
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Vic Sage
Nov 17 2008 10:11 AM
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they're even fun to watch while blowing a late lead and losing in OT to the Mavs.
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metirish
Nov 17 2008 10:26 AM
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="Vic Sage":33v1i0tj]they're even fun to watch while blowing a late lead and losing in OT to the Mavs.[/quote:33v1i0tj]
I was going to ask you your early season thoughts , yeah they are fun to watch and really I feel like there is hope and that MSG looks like a fun place to watch a game these days and not just for the opposing team.
There was talk recently from one of the beat writers regarding Zack Randolph , basically he said that the Knicks wanted him playing well so they could trade him, make him look attractive to other teams , he is certainly looking better.
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metirish
Nov 21 2008 08:33 AM
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Various reports today have the Knicks on the verge of trading for Al Harrington , conflicting reports have Jamal Crawford or Malik Rose going the other way.
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Valadius
Nov 21 2008 08:45 AM
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If they pull off an Al Harrington for Malik Rose trade, Chris Mullin will be confirmed to be a moron.
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Vic Sage
Nov 21 2008 09:36 AM
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well, he's trying to get out from under a long-term big $ contract to a disgruntled player who has been made "inactive". GMs don't have alot of options in that situation.
Frankly, such a move hurts NY's long-term goal of getting under the cap sufficiently to get LeBron. If they take on Harrington, the'd still have to move Randolph, Curry and, probably, Crawford.
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metirish
Nov 21 2008 11:33 AM
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From Newsday blog
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Crawford-Harrington done...more to come?
It's official. As Newsday reported this morning, the Knicks have just completed a deal that will send Jamal Crawford to the Golden State Warriors for Al Harrington.
I'm told by an NBA source that the Knicks may not be done yet today....
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A Boy Named Seo
Nov 21 2008 12:39 PM
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[url=http://nationalpost.pa-sportsticker.com/default.aspx?s=nba-news-display&nid=A32762711227292849A:11tmoj28]This paper[/url:11tmoj28] cites the Post and sez you guys wanna dump Randolph on us, too, while you're at it. Says it would be for Tim Thomas and Cat Mobley. Tim Thomas a Knick again?
That trade makes zero sense for the Clips with Camby and Kaman already at the 4 and 5.
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Valadius
Nov 21 2008 12:47 PM
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Meanwhile, I'm hearing Randolph to the Mavericks.
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metirish
Nov 21 2008 01:00 PM
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Clippers is what I am reading , anyway trying to make sense of all this , from Newsday's Knicks beat writer.
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Harrington's contract, which pays him $9.2 million this season, expires by the Summer of 2010, which is when the Knicks hope to make a major run at high-end free agents such as LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and others.
Crawford, who had been leading the Knicks in scoring this season with 19.6 points per game, makes $8.6 million and has a player option that extends his contract two more years for a total of $19.4 million. The trade essentially saves the Knicks $10.08 million in 2010-11. The Knicks are owned by Cablevision, which also owns Newsday.
Randolph's contract also extends two years and $34 million after this season. If the Knicks can move him for contracts that expire by 2010, it will save them another $17.3 million on the 2010-11 payroll.
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A Boy Named Seo
Nov 21 2008 03:21 PM
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Randolph for Cat Mobley and Thomas is [url=http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/ci_11043027:3d9e5kr3]apparently done[/url:3d9e5kr3].
Nice that he can score and board and stuff, but I don't see how he fits in and he surely don't help our D.
Oh, man.
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Nymr83
Nov 21 2008 03:31 PM
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ok so
In: Mobley, Thomas, Harrington
Out: Randolph, Collins, Crawford
whats that do for the Knicks cap number in future years? is James or Wade even becoming a possibility?
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metirish
Nov 21 2008 04:33 PM
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From Newsday
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the Knicks will have cleared $27 million in cap space for the 2010-11 season.
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Kong76
Nov 21 2008 06:34 PM
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Watching the pre-game show tonight, seems the Knicks did some nice work
today. Got rid of a ton of cap and still can be a decent team this year that
could still sniff the playoffs.
I haven't read much other than that ... does Marbury play tonight? They only
got like 8 guys available.
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Vic Sage
Nov 22 2008 08:15 AM
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they dressed 8, but only played 7. Marbury never got off the bench. I'm not sure what the point of that is, except that D'Antoni doesn't want to have to deal with the issue that would arise if Marbury actually played WELL.
i hate Tim Thomas. Mobley is 1-dimensional. Harrington has got injury history. But none of that matters, since this is all about cap space. We weren't going to be more than a .500 team anyway, so this is an ok move, as far as i'm concerned.
Duhon - Mobley - Chandler - Lee - Harrington
Robinson - Richardson - Thomas
Roberson - Rose
Gallinari - Jeffries - Curry
James - Marbury
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Kong76
Nov 22 2008 01:08 PM
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Quotes from coach ended up being that he offered playing time in the area
of 30-35 minutes and quotes from player were that he didn't set playing time
and was told they want to go in a different direction without him.
Whatever, I hope they can come to some kind of mutual cord cutting soon.
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Vic Sage
Nov 24 2008 09:56 AM
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yes, i saw that actually D'Antoni offered Marbury to play big minutes, and he basically said 'no thanks'.
This was Starbury's first misstep in this fiasco. He was a victim, now he's an undermining malcontent who refused to play when his team was shorthanded. He could've made himself a more valuable commodity by playing, but eventually the scorpion will sting the frog because that is its nature.
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A Boy Named Seo
Nov 24 2008 07:03 PM
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Snack Randolph debuts for the Clips tonight. Camby becomes super 6th man, I guess. Go Clips.
I know Vic's not thrilled w/ Mobley, but he was a great pro and I'll miss him. Cat's getting older and a little slower, but is still a pretty good defender. He likes posting up smaller guards and is pretty adept at it, but he'll probably do that less now if they're running so much more than the Clips do.
Thomas stands around on the wing waiting for a 3, so I suspect that won't change much. Good luck with that.
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metirish
Nov 24 2008 07:29 PM
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Dudes a Clippers fan , wow.
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A Boy Named Seo
Nov 24 2008 08:32 PM
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Shit yeah, son. Love them Clipper ships.
Thomas and/or Cat didn't get their physicals completed yet so Randolph and that other dude can't play tonight.
Damn it.
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metirish
Nov 25 2008 10:00 AM
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Source: Concern over Mobley's heart holds up Clippers-Knicks deal
By J.A. Adande
ESPN.com
Updated: November 25, 2008, 2:33 AM ET
Zach Randolph was in the Los Angeles Clippers' locker room Tuesday night. He just wasn't in a Clippers' uniform, as the trade between Los Angeles and the New York Knicks was held up by what a source said were concerns about Cuttino Mobley's heart.
Cuttino Mobley
Mobley
Mobley and Tim Thomas were sent to New York in exchange for Randolph and Mardy Collins on Friday in a deal that gives the Clippers a low post presence in Randolph and gives the Knicks more cap space for the 2010 free-agent market.
Mobley's and Thomas' contracts expire before the 2010 season.
The source said Mobley would see a heart specialist on Tuesday. Normally players have 48 hours to report to their new teams and take a physical examination, followed by another 24 hours for all the test results to come in. Because this trade was completed after business hours on Friday, the teams agreed to an additional 24-hour period, which ends at 6:30 p.m. ET Tuesday.
When asked about ESPN.com's report by reporters after the Clippers game on Monday, coach Mike Dunleavy said: "From the standpoint of Cuttino's concern, there's nothing they have or don't have that hasn't been known to us or hasn't been approved by us and all the other teams he's played for. Neither one of those guys has had any issues with any of the things that are even being talked about.
"All I know is that if Cuttino has anything, he's been asymptotic," Dunleavy said. "He's never had any issue with us. There's never been one time that he missed a practice or missed a game or had any issues in any physical of any kind for us. I mean, I've been told by our doctors that the things that are under concern is not something that we haven't known about or have had any issues with. So hopefully, it won't be an issue."
Another source told ESPN.com that Mobley's condition has been present throughout his career and has never been a grave concern, although the Knicks were prudent in their diligence.
On the surface it would be hard to imagine the Knicks wanting to void the trade because they achieved their goal of clearing Randolph's contract (which carried two more years and $33.3 million after this season). The franchise already took on Eddy Curry in a trade with the Chicago Bulls despite concerns that were raised about the center's heart.
As for fear of paying a possibly inactive Mobley, who makes more than $9 million both this season and the next, it hasn't stopped them from keeping Stephon Marbury anchored to the bench despite a salary of almost $22 million.
The Clippers would like to move forward with a full complement of players. They'd also like to explore tinkering with their roster, which would feature an abundance of starting-caliber big men in Randolph, Chris Kaman and Marcus Camby. One source said the Clippers are talking to the Charlotte Bobcats about a package that would send Kaman to Charlotte for Jason Richardson. However, another Clippers source said, "Kaman's not out there. |
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A Boy Named Seo
Nov 25 2008 10:58 AM
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Sounds like that condition's been there forever and has never caused him a problem.
At this point, I don't care who plays where, I just want some extra players on the team.
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Edgy DC
Nov 25 2008 11:04 AM
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Anybody remember Robin Harris' comedy routine on the Lakers vs. the Clippers?
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A Boy Named Seo
Nov 25 2008 11:14 AM
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Uh-uh.
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Edgy DC
Nov 25 2008 11:20 AM
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I've been up and down Youtube and come up empty, but that was so funny he had to be killed.
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A Boy Named Seo
Nov 26 2008 06:32 PM
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Yeah, we get it, the Clippers are suckers, but c'mon now.
[url=http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippersfyi26-2008nov26,0,5760331.story]LATIMES[/url]
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Randolph and Collins officially join in
PETER FOLEY / EPA
The two newest Clippers, traded by the Knicks, take part in practice -- and a yoga session.
By Mark Medina
November 26, 2008
Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins officially became part of the Clippers just in time to join their new teammates in a yoga session Tuesday.
"I've got to get my body used to that again," said Randolph, who said he had yoga sessions when he played for the Portland Trail Blazers. "We didn't do that in New York. I'm going to stick with it so I can be more flexible."
Consider the yoga class their first step in becoming acclimated with the Clippers. On Tuesday afternoon, the Knicks finalized a trade that sent Randolph and Collins to L.A. for Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas.
The Clippers initially hoped Randolph and Collins would play in Monday's game against New Orleans, but the Knicks held up the deal over concerns about Mobley's heart condition.
Clippers assistant general manager Neil Olshey said New York came back to ask for more.
"The Knicks felt like there were complications that they weren't privy to. They felt like something additional on their behalf was warranted," Olshey said. "We're not willing to give up any of our young assets or any of the tools we have going down the road," so the original deal went through.
Assistant coach Kim Hughes ran Tuesday's practice because Coach Mike Dunleavy flew to Dallas for his father-in-law's funeral. Randolph will play 30 to 35 minutes in tonight's game against the Denver Nuggets, Hughes said.
Randolph and Collins spent Tuesday's practice shooting and playing four-on-four
"I'm going to go over individually with them our defensive coverages," Hughes said. "Zach knows how to score in any system, but he needs to know our defensive coverages."
Randolph averaged 20.5 points and 12.5 rebounds in 11 games for New York. The Clippers hope he will complement forward Marcus Camby and center Chris Kaman. |
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Rockin' Doc
Nov 27 2008 08:27 PM
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<b>Report: Marbury's second refusal to play will lead to his departure</b>
ESPN.com
Stephon Marbury will soon either be ordered to stay home indefinitely or be released by the New York Knicks, a source told the New York Daily News.
Marbury again declined to play Wednesday night against the Pistons, the second time he had done so in six days. The same source told the Daily News that Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni considered sending Marbury home that night.
The Knicks are down to two healthy guards -- Chris Duhon and Anthony Roberson -- after Nate Robinson missed Wednesday's game with a groin injury and Cuttino Mobley has not yet been cleared by team doctors.
Marbury is one of the league's highest paid players and is scheduled to make at $20.8 million this season.
I don't really watch the NBA anymore and this thread is a good example of why. There are too many prima donna thugs around the league for my taste. It seems to me that a team should not have to play a player that refuses to take the court and play. Marbury should have to forfeit a large chunk of his contract in my opinion, but I imagine that the player uniion will see it quite differently.
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Nymr83
Nov 27 2008 09:17 PM
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agreed 110%, i'd like to see someone here show up for work and say "gee boss, i don't really want to print out that report, i want to email it to you, i refuse to print it and i'm going to sit on my ass until you give in." The Knicks should offer him playing time in writing, and then when he refuses they should release him, refuse to pay him, and try their luck in court.
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Centerfield
Nov 28 2008 08:42 PM
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I don't condone Marbury's actions in any way, but these Knicks are the perfect organization for a fuck-up like him.
As far as I can tell, their stance on Marbury so far has been:
Be a good teammate and don't play.
Stephon was a bad teammate because he wouldn't play.
So we'll teach him a lesson by suspending him.
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Nymr83
Nov 29 2008 03:38 AM
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A "good teammate" is one who does whatever the coaches want when they want it and keeps his mouth shut.
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TheOldMole
Nov 29 2008 05:54 AM
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| ]i'd like to see someone here show up for work and say "gee boss, i don't really want to print out that report, i want to email it to you, i refuse to print it and i'm going to sit on my ass until you give in." |
[url=http://www.bartleby.com/129/]There's a precedent.[/url]
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Centerfield
Dec 01 2008 12:44 PM
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="Nymr83":7d9umpcy]A "good teammate" is one who does whatever the coaches want when they want it and keeps his mouth shut.[/quote:7d9umpcy]
Sure. But I wonder what grounds a team has to cast blame for not being a good teammate after they have told the player "We don't want you. The best thing you can do is go away quietly while we figure out how much of your salary we can wiggle out of."
In other words, I think Marbury could fire right back at them "I may suck as a teammate, but you guys suck as a team."
I don't mean to imply that Marbury has no duty, I'm saying that the team loses its credibility.
I would also put out there that punishing the player that refuses to play by suspending him seems counterproductive.
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Edgy DC
Dec 01 2008 12:47 PM
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In his position, I'd be increasingly suspicious that I'm being set up to fail (or be humilated), and might be tempted to be un-cooperative.
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Centerfield
Dec 01 2008 01:00 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 01 2008 02:13 PM
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Exactly. If the Knicks were a husband, they would wake up in the morning, clear out the joint savings account, then blow it at the track. Then he would ride all over town with some cheap hussie on the arm and rent a hotel room by the hour. The Knicks would run up a tab during Happy Hour, throw up in the bathroom, then the bar owner would have to call the Knicks' wife to pick up her unconscious husband and pay off his bill.
When the Knicks wake up later that evening, he would complain that he has a bad wife because dinner is not on the table.
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A Boy Named Seo
Dec 01 2008 01:08 PM
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That was the weirdest, funniest analogy ever.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 01 2008 01:19 PM
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We're in the presence of greatness.
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metirish
Dec 01 2008 01:31 PM
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I hope Donnie Walsh is reading this.
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Edgy DC
Dec 01 2008 01:39 PM
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And seriously, how many times has Marbury picked up the Knicks at the bar in the middle of the night?
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Vic Sage
Dec 08 2008 01:21 PM
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Duhon played all 48 minutes last night against Detroit. He's averaging over 40m/gm. Seriously, how long can he keep this up?
If they don't want to "give in" to Starbury, fine. Then buy out Jerome James. He's alot cheaper, and he won't be playing for D'Antoni either. But we need to get a backup PG in here fast, especially with Nate hurt. Hopefully, there'll be some news on Cuttino's heart problem soon.
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Elster88
Dec 09 2008 08:24 PM
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He's played the whole game so far tonight too with 6 minutes to go. I like him. Keep him and David Lee to go with Lebron, Bosh and Wade in 2010.
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Vic Sage
Dec 10 2008 10:10 AM
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with Chandler and Robinson off the bench?
I LIKE IT!
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Valadius
Dec 10 2008 09:16 PM
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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=An.Y6FiFVTxLV8E0Gbt5LUm8vLYF?slug=ap-knicks-mobley&prov=ap&type=lgns:yh4hozem]Mobley to retire[/url:yh4hozem]
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Nymr83
Dec 11 2008 01:30 AM
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if he officially retires does that free up cap space sooner?
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A Boy Named Seo
Dec 13 2008 01:29 PM
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[url=http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/clippers/la-sp-clipperfyi12-2008dec12,0,5561428.story]LATimes:[/url]
| ]Mobley also cited the responsibility to his family and not wanting them to live in fear of what could happen on the court. He has an 8-year-old son.
" . . . And then every single day just being scared for you, I think that's a selfish thing, also," he told reporters in New York. "Even though you love something so much, and I am in love with basketball, but sometimes you have to get a divorce." |
Man, sorry to hear, but very glad then for the trade and that they caught it.
Cat's a class guy and a good baller. Best of health to him.
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Vic Sage
Dec 15 2008 02:24 PM
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they beat Sacramento so badly, even Jerome James saw some minutes. Meanwhile, with Mobley retired and Starbury persona non grata, Duhon is still playing 40+ minutes a night.
we need a backup PG now!
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Frayed Knot
Dec 15 2008 05:32 PM
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I may be off by one or so, but I think 7 NBA teams have already fired their coaches this season.
That's just about 1/4 of the league in right around 1/4 of the season. At this rate virtually every team will replace their coach before the end of the year.
And you thought the Knicks were unstable.
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Edgy DC
Dec 15 2008 06:04 PM
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Bring back Hubie.
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Nymr83
Dec 15 2008 11:50 PM
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give fan-favorite Herb Williams a chance!
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metirish
Dec 16 2008 11:24 AM
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Ewing to Reno
The D-League yesterday assigned Patrick Ewing Jr. to the Reno Bighorns, a shared affiliate of the Knicks and Kings. Ewing, the Knicks' final cut in training camp, signed with the league Friday. He will play for coach Jay Humphries, who was an assistant under D'Antoni in Phoenix and is using D'Antoni's system. The Knicks can sign Ewing at any time. Of course, so can any other NBA team.
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metirish
Jan 04 2009 07:58 PM
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Knicks shock Boston at MSG.
OK can they not put a mike on Coach D'Antoni , these things never sound interesting and he sounded like an idiot.
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TheOldMole
Jan 05 2009 09:48 AM
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Curry and that Italian guy will hit the roster before young Ewing.
I'm actually watching the Knicks a fair amount this year, thanks to Gone in Sixty Minutes -- just getting out from under Isiah makes them more watchable.
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Nymr83
Jan 05 2009 10:29 AM
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knicks in 60 is very watchable, unlike a normal length nba game where the 4th quarter is a commercial festival
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