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AG/DC
Sep 04 2008 08:21 AM

I'm nominating Newburgh. It's historic, it's on a scenic spot on the west bank of the Hudson, got some powerful architecture, a handy bridge, and it's so depressing I want to cry right here and now, and I haven't been through there in four years.

Maybe it's gotten better, but I need to steel myself before returning.

Farmer Ted
Sep 04 2008 09:46 AM

The Major Deegan Expressway at 157th.

metirish
Sep 04 2008 09:56 AM

I lived in Brewster , it's a dump.

AG/DC
Sep 04 2008 09:59 AM

Oooh, a rival entry from the other side of the lower Hudson Valley. Do tell.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 04 2008 10:01 AM

Just to irk Namor, how about Staten Island?

metirish
Sep 04 2008 10:45 AM

AG/DC wrote:
Oooh, a rival entry from the other side of the lower Hudson Valley. Do tell.



I lived there for quite a few years , it was a nice little village back in the 90's but it just sort of died later on. It's a one Pub , one restaurant and one road type of place. Brewster had a few claims at greatness years ago, notably for an Iron Mine that was just outside the village , I lived across for that actually. Just past the picture in the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilly_Foster_Mine

soupcan
Sep 04 2008 10:58 AM

Anne Marie hailed from Brewster, NY.

Kong76
Sep 04 2008 11:05 AM

Newburgh is still pretty bad, I was there a couple of weeks ago. It's a bit
of an enigma because just some miles from it there are thriving shopping
centers, offices, and restaurants. The Stewart Airport that was formerly
an air force base has become International it's really quite nice a suburban
area. I think they've had their share of corrupt government and an organized
crime element keeping the urban areas under their thumbs too so to speak.

OE: part of Stewart International is still a military base.

seawolf17
Sep 04 2008 11:14 AM

I have two college friends who grew up in Brewster, and I think they're okay.

I still vote Utica.

Farmer Ted
Sep 04 2008 12:10 PM

The folks in SCRANTON say Binghamton is a dump. I didn't know Scrantonians could bad-mouth another city and get away with it.

HahnSolo
Sep 04 2008 01:22 PM

I live in Highland Mills, not far from Newburgh (roughly 10 miles). It's bad. I mean really bad. Dirty, depressing, dangerous bad.

Now, they have a decent ball field (Delano-Hitch Stadium), built I think to try and lure a low level or independent league ball team. They had one, for a year or so. But no professional team in their right mind would play there. It is in the middle of said depressing dangerous area. My neighbor's kid played a rec ball game there last year. Batteries were being thrown in from the street.

Washington's Headquarters historic site is not well maintained.

KC mentioned Stewart Airport, which I believe is technically in New Windsor. The Airport, recently taken over by the Port Authority, continues to have airlines back out.

The one bright spot appears to be a flourishing waterfront restaurant business. Couple of decent places, however the ones I've been to have been terribly overpriced.

So, in conclusion, I have little ammo to counter the argument that Newburgh is the armpit of New York.

Nymr83
Sep 04 2008 01:58 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Just to irk Namor, how about Staten Island?


who says i don't admit it?

DocTee
Sep 04 2008 02:07 PM

161 Street and River Avenue

Nymr83
Sep 04 2008 02:12 PM

DocTee wrote:
161 Street and River Avenue


thats a better answer

Kong76
Sep 04 2008 03:24 PM

Brewster's ok, with a few dumpy spots. There's too many checker squares
on the Brewster board to label to whole spread an armpit imo.

And if we're doing armpits, don't we need two? I think Newburgh is going to
win one underarm.

holychicken
Sep 04 2008 03:50 PM

I don't remember the name of the restaurant but for my mother's 60th b-day we went to some french (I think) prix fixe restaurant in Brewster right on 22. . . it was up on a hill.

Best goose I have EVER had . . quite possibly the best meal I have ever had as well.

No way that place is the armpit. Sorry, but I cannot possibly admit that the best food I have ever had came from an armpit.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 04 2008 05:50 PM

The Big H Shopping Center on New York Ave. near Huntington Station was pretty stanky last time I looked.

themetfairy
Sep 04 2008 06:37 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
The Big H Shopping Center on New York Ave. near Huntington Station was pretty stanky last time I looked.


Same here, and I haven't looked at that place in over 20 years!

Kong76
Sep 04 2008 06:42 PM

Stewart Air National Guard Base

The 105th Airlift Wing of the New York Air National Guard is based at Stewart Air National Guard Base. The former Stewart Air Force Base is also known as Newburgh-Stewart IAP and Stewart International Airport. Stewart IAP (ANG) is located in Newburgh, New York. It’s home to the 105th Airlift Wing whose mission is to provide peacetime and wartime inter-theater airlift operations using the C-5A “Galaxy” cargo aircraft. Newburgh is approximately 100 miles due south of Albany, the capital of New York State. The base encompasses 267 acres and contains 36 buildings, amounting to approximately 757,000 square feet. There is no family or transient housing. The day-to-day base population is approximately 660 personnel; however, one weekend each month the population surges to 1600 in response to Air National Guard drills.

The C-5 Aircrew Training System [ATS] provides assured aircrew ground training that is concurrent with the C-5 weapon system and its operating procedures. The ATS includes total contractor training with instructors, courseware, aircrew training devices (ATD), computer based training (CBT) and instructor based training (IBT). Training sites are located at Altus AFB OK, Dover AFB DE, Travis AFB CA, Westover ARB MA, Kelly AFB TX, and Stewart ANGB NY. A new basic contract was awarded to FlightSafety Services Corporation (FSSC), Englewood CO, on 5 May 1999. The basic contract delivered a new Weapon Systems Trainer (WST) to Stewart ANGB NY with spares.

West Point began its association with Stewart in the 1930’s when then Chief of Staff of the Army Gen. Douglas MacArthur directed that a site near West Point be found to construct an airfield in order to teach cadets to fly. The Stewart family donated 220 acres of land to West Point in 1942 for that purpose, and later that year Stewart Airfield was dedicated as the "Wings of West Point".

In 1948 Stewart Airfield became Stewart Air Force Base. In 1956 the 331st Fighter Interceptor Squadron was transferred from Stewart Air Force Base in New York to Webb AFB in Texas to defend the southern United States border on air intercept missions. The First Air Force, Air Defense Command, was headquartered at Stewart Air Force Base, NY. First Air Force was reactivated at Stewart Air Force Base, Newburgh, N.Y., on Jan. 20, 1966. During this period, the unit was charged with the air defense of the northeastern United States, Greenland, Iceland and parts of Canada. During the late 1960s the Eastern NORAD Region was one of the six regions comprising the North American Air Defense Command with responsibility for conducting all United States and Canadian air defense activities. In 1966 the 26th NORAD (CONAD) Region and the 26th Air Division -- both at Stewart Air Force Base -- were designated the Eastern NORAD (CONAD) Region and the First Air Force, ADC, still at Stewart Air Force Base.

In 1970 Stewart Air Force Base was deactivated and acquired by New York State. In 1971, New York State acquired by eminent domain nearly 8,000 acres of farmland bordering Stewart Air Force base for the planned development of a fourth super-airport to service metropolitan New York. Stewart did become a commercial airport but all the land proved unnecessary for runways and super-sonic noise buffer.

On 25 January 25 the 52 American hostages held in Iran returned home to Stewart International Airport.

In 1999 New York Governor George Pataki transferred about 5,400 acres to the Department of Environmental Conservation, and allowed the Empire State Development Corporation, (New York State's development arm), to offer 1,200 acres for development.

The New York Air National Guard flew tons of relief supplies to El Salvador, to help the nation and its people recover from a series of devastating earthquakes in January and February. On 19 March 2001, a giant C-5 "Galaxy" cargo jet from the New York Air National Guard's 105th Airlift Wing departed from Stewart (ANGB) laden with relief supplies donated by Centro Civico and other organizations. The aircraft flew to Charleston Airforce Base, on-load the additional supplies and proceed to Sotocana, Honduras, where the Nicaragua-bound materials were off-loaded.

At approximately 0845 hours Eastern Daylight Time on Tuesday, September 11, a commercial airplane crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center complex in New York City. As of September 12, National Medical Response Team-Weapons of Mass Destruction- EAST (NMRT-E) was en route to Stewart ANGB. This team is a specialized response force sponsored by the U.S. Public Health Service that is designed to provide medical care following a nuclear, biological, and/or chemical incident. They are specially trained to work towards decontamination of sites, and can provide medical care in contaminated areas if needed.
Stewart Army Subpost (STAS)

Stewart Army Subpost is located in New Windsor, 60 miles north of New York City off Interstate 87 near Newburgh. In 1998 the Congress decided that the Stewart Army Subpost tract of 270 acres would be given to the town of New Windsor, and the post was divested STAS by 30 September 1999. Approximately 260 acres were transferred to the Town of New Windsor, 90 acres to the U.S. Marine Corps, 41 acres to the U.S. Army Reserve and 10 acres to the State of New York.

Over the years Stewart was home to numerous Air Force, Marine and Army units. STAS served since the early 1970s as a home for USMA staff and faculty and for a time, from 1946 until 1957, as the site for the U.S. Military Academy Preparatory School. Major units included Headquarters, Garrison Commander; Military Airlift Group Detachment B (Marines); 105th Airlift Group (Air National Guard); Readiness Group - Stewart; 411th Engineer Brigade. The Wings of West Point, the Army’s 2nd Aviation Detachment, the Air Force’s 105th Airlift Wing and the Marine Aircraft Group 49, Detachment B will still maintain facilities at Stewart airport.

The population included 600 active-duty; 1,800 family members; 210 Air Guard; 724 civilians. Housing included 164 senior enlisted family units; 427 enlisted family units; 14 unaccompanied officer units; 86 unaccompanied enlisted units; three trailers. The Army had housed hundreds of families at the subpost since 1973, and began to move them to new facilities at the US Military Academy at West Point.

About sixty-one percent of DoD’s housing inventory in the continental United States is substandard, totaling over 163,000 units. Fixing this problem using only traditional military construction would take over 18 years and cost as much as $16 billion. The pace of new and replacement construction and improvements would not let the military eliminate the backlog of repairs and shortage of homes. DOD worked with the Congress to establish ground breaking new authorities in FY-1995 and FY-1996 to use public/private ventures (PPVs) as a housing tool. Under a 5-year pilot program, DOD can provide cash, direct loans and loan guarantees, and differential lease payments (DLPs). DOD can also convey or lease land, housing and facilities to a developer in exchange for renovation or construction of homes for our military members and their families. The objective was to use these tools to solve the housing problem in 10 years. Congressional notification was given in June 2000 to issue a solicitation at Stewart Army SubPost in Newburgh, NY.

The fate of the Stewart Buffer Lands -- 8,000 acres of open space in rapidly developing Orange County -- remained uncertain in Fall 1998.

In December 1997 the U.S. Military Academy, West Point, NY privatized the Natural Gas System at Stewart Army Subpost, New Windsor, NY. Privatization is defined as the transfer of ownership and responsibility for operation, maintenance, repair, upgrade, and plant replacement to the non-federal sector. As a result of this solicitation, a company was selected to assume ownership, with the actual transfer accomplished after the award of this indefinite term utility service contract. Reduced consumption due to downsizing prior to the divestiture of Stewart Army Subpost was expected.

TheOldMole
Sep 04 2008 08:19 PM

Sullivan County.

RealityChuck
Sep 04 2008 08:22 PM

Rensselaer, NY.

Frayed Knot
Sep 05 2008 07:11 AM

What would that make Troy?

AG/DC
Sep 05 2008 07:21 AM

Renssalaer has RPI, the "oldest technological university in the English-speaking world."

Newburgh has Mount St. Mary, an overpriced mushy-cushy liberal arts school, with a blasphemously dirty name at the center of about a thousand sophmoric jokes.

That said, RPI has this guy on the front page of their website.



Mount St. Mary has this chick:



So...

MFS62
Sep 05 2008 04:03 PM

I used to go to Scranton a lot on business, but that was 20 years ago. At that time, the town itself wasn't too bad. But what had once been a beautiful river valley just outside Scranton was then lined with the carcasses of what must have been thousands of rotting cars. Maybe tens of thousands.
Now I live over the Connecticut/ New York border from Brewster. It is as has been described earlier - a one pub town. It used to be a one horse town, but someone must have stolen the horse.

So in my mind, Brewster gets the nod. If they were ever going to give New York an enema, that is definately where they should stick the tube. (Although 161st St and River Ave gets points for creativity).

Later

Kong76
Sep 05 2008 04:14 PM

Unless I'm unaware of areas of Brewster (the village area by the train
station is quaint, there's a lot of suburban areas, and granted there's
that little "other town" spot near 84 that isn't all that nice) I can't think
I would be afraid to wander around alone at 11:00 on a Saturday night
anywhere in Brewster.

Can't say that of Newburgh, it's not even close.

AG/DC
Sep 05 2008 04:52 PM

I thought about it because I had a few Newburgh acquaintances in college. It was the kind of place they give you a $40 ticket for skateboarding while your grandmother is getting carjacked a half a block away.