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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Who is Most Worthy?

Beastie Boys	1 votes
Bon Jovi	2 votes
Chic	0 votes
The Cure	2 votes
Billy Bragg	0 votes
Metallica	1 votes
k.d. lang	0 votes
Cyndi Lauper	2 votes
Run-DMC	2 votes
Rush	6 votes
The Smiths	0 votes
Slayer	0 votes
The Stooges	1 votes
Donna Summer	2 votes
Stevie Ray Vaughan	3 votes

soupcan Sep 10 2008 01:11 PM

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2008-09-08-rockhall_N.htm]USA Today Rock and Roll HOF Poll[/url]

metirish Sep 10 2008 01:12 PM

Tough to vote for just one , I went with The Cure.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 10 2008 01:15 PM

I voted for Rush. How many bands last so long with the same lineup, sell out as many shows, appear on the cover of more modern drummer magazines, write more love songs about electricity and ayn rand?

metirish Sep 10 2008 01:17 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I voted for Rush. How many bands last so long with the same lineup, sell out as many shows, appear on the cover of more modern drummer magazines, write more love songs about electricity and ayn rand? appear on the cover of more modern drummer magazines, Yeah it's hard to top that.

AG/DC Sep 10 2008 01:23 PM

The Cure Rush Metallica The Smiths Stevie Ray Vaughan The Stooges Bon Jovi Beastie Boys Chic (but Nile Rogers deserves it more for his producing) Run-DMC Slayer Billy Bragg Donna Summer Cyndi Lauper k.d. lang

soupcan Sep 10 2008 01:42 PM

="AG/DC"] The Cure Rush Metallica The Smiths Stevie Ray Vaughan The Stooges Bon Jovi Beastie Boys Chic (but Nile Rogers deserves it more for his producing) Run-DMC Slayer Billy Bragg Donna Summer Cyndi Lauper k.d. lang The only reason I did this was because the wife of a friend manages Cyndi Lauper and he pointed it out to me. I don't think Lauper is the most deserving on the list, but 14th out of 15? Really?

AG/DC Sep 10 2008 01:50 PM

I have a lot of good things to say about Cyndi, but few of them have much to do with rock 'n' roll.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 10 2008 01:58 PM

Bon Jovi? Yikes. Clearly Rush should have been in years ago. I've given up trying to predict who goes in. It's Jaan Wener's playground, and he's been accused of manipulating the voting. You figure Stevie Ray Vaughn will go. Mettalica has played at the ceremony and introduced inductees, so they must have favor there. That said, I enjoyed visiting the hall this summer. I decided to make an iPod playlist with a song from each person inducted, and it's been fun discovering people like Etta James, who I have never paid any attention to before.

Gwreck Sep 10 2008 03:11 PM

I would vote perhaps for the Stooges. And that's IT. Nobody else on that list is really deserving. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is quickly becoming a total crock (if it wasn't already) with their requirement that somebody must get in each year.

AG/DC Sep 10 2008 03:29 PM

Stooges had a very brief run. And were kind of sloppy. They were, briefly, as much a delivery system for Iggy as anything else. And Iggy is in. Not my top priority.

Kong76 Sep 10 2008 03:40 PM

I'm surprised The Stooges, Stevie Ray, and Rush aren't already in. Certainly by the standards they've set, Metallica and The Cure have to go in too. Gw with the Rush hate, lotta talent coming from just 3 guys for decades. If I had to be in Cleveland over a weekend and could go to two baseball games, eat a couple of good meals, and hang out and do city type stuff, I could easily not go to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and not feel like I missed something.

TransMonk Sep 10 2008 04:05 PM

AG/DC wrote: The Cure Rush Metallica The Smiths Stevie Ray Vaughan The Stooges Bon Jovi Beastie Boys Chic (but Nile Rogers deserves it more for his producing) Run-DMC Slayer Billy Bragg Donna Summer Cyndi Lauper k.d. lang Swap The Beastie Boys with the Smiths and Run DMC with Bon Jovi and I find this list excellent.

SteveJRogers Sep 10 2008 05:42 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Bon Jovi? Yikes. Well, if the poll was done in Jersey, I'm sure he'd come out on top. Why, I don't know. His style is so NOT the Springsteen/Southside Johnny/Tom Waits/E Street Band Jersey Shore style that defines that state's garage rock.

TheOldMole Sep 10 2008 06:19 PM

I went with Cyndi Lauper because someone had to. She had real musical chops, a buncha hits, and an enduring classic.

AG/DC Sep 10 2008 08:30 PM

Tom Waits defines New Jersey garage rock? Maybe in the way that Brian Wilson does. He's not from New Jersey and doesn't rock, but maybe he's lived in a garage one time or another.

Elster88 Sep 10 2008 08:31 PM

Take my haaaannnnd and we'll make it I swe-earr.

TransMonk Sep 10 2008 08:35 PM

Hilarious!

Frayed Knot Sep 10 2008 08:43 PM

I'm pretty indifferent both to the RnRHoF in general and this list in particular. If in Cleveland I'm sure I'd take the time to see it, but I'm kind of more interested in the artifacts than who is actually inducted. Referring to the band as 'Bon Jersey' has always been one of my favorite (and apt) descriptions I've even heard. The ulimate suburban white-boy rock and roll band.

SteveJRogers Sep 10 2008 09:13 PM

AG/DC wrote: Tom Waits defines New Jersey garage rock? Maybe in the way that Brian Wilson does. He's not from New Jersey and doesn't rock, but maybe he's lived in a garage one time or another. Heh, fair point. Ehhh, he's adopted! What you mean "Jersey Girl" was really about some place in Southern California? =;)

Gwreck Sep 10 2008 10:08 PM

="AG/DC"]Stooges had a very brief run. And were kind of sloppy. They were, briefly, as much a delivery system for Iggy as anything else. And Iggy is in. Not my top priority. Iggy's not in. I don't actually hate Rush. They're probably worthy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 10 2008 10:13 PM

Rush should get in only for the beginning of "Spirit of Radio." In fact they could induct the first 48 seconds of SoR and leave Rush out in the cold for all I care.

AG/DC Sep 11 2008 05:49 AM

="Gwreck"] ="AG/DC"]Stooges had a very brief run. And were kind of sloppy. They were, briefly, as much a delivery system for Iggy as anything else. And Iggy is in. Not my top priority. Iggy's not in. I don't actually hate Rush. They're probably worthy. How about that? Pictures like this fool me. My bad. I like the idea of inducting song fragments. The bridge of "Spirit of the Radio" can go into the Reggae Hall of Fame.

sharpie Sep 11 2008 08:12 AM

I went Stooges because Iggy should be in there. Shouldn't Yes be on this list? Other than k.d. lang, Slayer and Billy Bragg they are all deserving to some degree. I don't care for many of the choices but that isn't the basis that matters. I remember reading somewhere that Brian Eno burst into a recording studio to play Donna Summers' "I Feel Love" saying that this is what the future of music sounds like. Yes, I know it was Giorgio Morodor who was responsible (just like AG's point about Nile Rogers and Chic) but those guys won't get in. I mean, I like Billy Bragg and all but still.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2008 08:23 AM

KC wrote: I'm surprised The Stooges, Stevie Ray, and Rush aren't already in. Certainly by the standards they've set, Metallica and The Cure have to go in too. They're not in yet because of the R&R HOF's eligibility requirements. An artist isn't eligible until 25 years have lapsed since his or her first recording. Stevie Ray Vaughn's first recording, for example, ("Texas Flood") was released in 1983. SRV is a first ballot HOF'er.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 11 2008 08:25 AM

The Cars are eligible, and I don't see them on a ballot. I thought they had enough respect from the critics to get a little love.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2008 08:30 AM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: The Cars are eligible, and I don't see them on a ballot. I thought they had enough respect from the critics to get a little love. I agree with your post. I was never into The Cars at all, not even for half a second, but I don't see why they wouldn't be on the ballot, given past choices. Unless there's another rule that gives an artist only a few chances to get into the HOF. I believe, (but haven't Googled this to confirm) that The Cars were around since the late '70's -- maybe they had their chances.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 11 2008 08:32 AM

They should induct the front cover of Candy-O at any rate.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2008 08:38 AM

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm. Vargas Girls!

Vic Sage Sep 11 2008 09:29 AM

for my view on this topic, during our prior discussion of R&R HOF and Rush, see the "Who by Numbers" thread... http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9289&start=20

metsguyinmichigan Sep 11 2008 09:43 AM

="batmagadanleadoff"]Mmmmmmmmmmmmm. Vargas Girls!

seawolf17 Sep 11 2008 09:50 AM

In order: Pioneers Division: Beastie Boys Metallica Stevie Ray Vaughan Run-DMC Don't Know Them Well, But They Seem To Be Pretty Influential Division: The Stooges The Don Sutton "Compilers" Division: Bon Jovi The Cure Rush The Boring Division: The Smiths Oh, No, Not Disco Division: Donna Summer Chic Seriously? Division: Slayer Cyndi Lauper k.d. lang Billy Bragg

HahnSolo Sep 11 2008 12:19 PM

At the risk of sounding completely ignorant, just how influential/important was Stevie Ray Vaughan? I just remember him as a guy who occasionally made his way onto rock radio, had a run-in with Bowie over performing on the Let's Dance tour, and got an unbelievable amount of attention when he died.

AG/DC Sep 11 2008 12:23 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 23 2008 09:55 PM

He and Prince simultaneously brought back Hendrix' bib pants and pilgrim hat look. Not to be discounted.

RealityChuck Sep 11 2008 02:27 PM

I don't care much for Rush, but they are the obvious choice here.

metirish Sep 11 2008 02:41 PM

HahnSolo wrote: At the risk of sounding completely ignorant, just how influential/important was Stevie Ray Vaughan? I just remember him as a guy who occasionally made his way onto rock radio, had a run-in with Bowie over performing on the Let's Dance tour, and got an unbelievable amount of attention when he died. Check out "Live at Carnegie Hall" , not saying it was an influential album but it's worth a listen.

HahnSolo Sep 11 2008 02:46 PM

The Cars I've never been much of a fan of, but don't they match up fairly well with the Pretenders, who are in the Hall. They're contemporaries of each other, and I feel like the average person could rattle off more Cars hits than Pretenders hits. Not that that is reason to put one in over the other, but it has to count right?

TransMonk Sep 11 2008 03:03 PM

The first Cars album is really great and, out of nine tracks, had six songs you can still hear on the radio: Good Times Roll My Best Friend's Girl Just What I Needed You're All I've Got Tonight Bye Bye Love Moving in Stereo I don't really care for the rest of their catalog and would have to think really hard to name 6 other hits of theirs: Shake It Up Let's Go You Might Think Drive Magic ... Lack of consistency after their first album keeps them out of the hall for me. Rick Ocasek did turn into a decent producer who did the first Weezer album (which makes a lot of sense if you go back and listen to it). On edit: That whole Todd Rungren thing really turned me off, too.

HahnSolo Sep 11 2008 03:09 PM

It's All I can Do (might be my favorite Cars song) Since You're Gone

batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2008 03:10 PM

HahnSolo wrote: At the risk of sounding completely ignorant, just how influential/important was Stevie Ray Vaughan? I just remember him as a guy who occasionally made his way onto rock radio, had a run-in with Bowie over performing on the Let's Dance tour, and got an unbelievable amount of attention when he died. SRV is credited with singlehandedly reviving the Blues, and particularly Blues influenced Rock and Roll and Pop music in the '80's ... a musical style that, for the most part, died with the '60's. Technically, he was a brilliant player. I think he's a HOF'er.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 11 2008 04:51 PM

The first 2 Cars albums were really solid. Barely a stinker on either or 'em. They really failed to evolve much after them though. The stuff to come at best was only as good as those first 2 records, and rarely did it get that good. Plus they became more about Okasek's look than anything, which was a shame.

TransMonk Sep 11 2008 05:09 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Plus they became more about Okasek's look than anything, which was a shame. I agree, especially because Benjamin Orr was the better signer with the better songs IMO.

MFS62 Sep 13 2008 06:53 AM

TheOldMole wrote: I went with Cyndi Lauper because someone had to. She had real musical chops, a buncha hits, and an enduring classic. That's why I voted for Donna Summer. The Hall includes many genres of modern popular music. And I believe that when we look back and think of disco, Donna's name is the first that comes to mind. And, speaking of enduring, I wonder if the band (or DJ) is going to play "Last Dance" at Edgy's wedding reception today? Later

sharpie Sep 22 2008 09:14 AM

The actual ballot from which the selections will be picked: Jeff Beck Chic Wanda Jackson Little Anthony & the Imperials Metallica Run-DMC Stooges Bobby Womack

seawolf17 Sep 22 2008 10:01 AM

Yick. Metallica and Run-DMC for me.

Gwreck Sep 22 2008 10:14 AM

If forced, I would vote Stooges and Metallica. Conspicuously absent from ballot: Gram Parsons. Nobody else comes close. Maybe an argument could be made for Nile Rodgers in the non-performer category, but certainly not for Chic as performers.

metirish Sep 22 2008 10:19 AM

Compared to the original list from Soup this is a shitlist.

Gwreck Sep 22 2008 10:23 AM

These are just the nominees. Then they *have* to induct 5 of these people. Hence the problem, and why the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has completely cheapened itself over the past 5 years.

sharpie Sep 22 2008 12:01 PM

If 5 of the 8 make it, then: Metallica and Run-DMC feel like locks to me. One of Little Anthony & the Imperials or Wanda Jackson. Can't have two '50's acts. Bobby Womack also seems likely to me although I thought he was incredibly boring. Jeff Beck did some nice work with the Yardbirds and the Jeff Beck Group but I think he gets left out. That leaves Stooges or Chic for the final spot. Both marginal choices but I'm going to go with the Stooges as none of the other acts have any rock critic cred. So, I think: IN: Metallica, Run-DMC, Womack, Stooges and, I guess, Little Anthony. Out: Jackson, Chic, Beck.

Valadius Sep 22 2008 12:18 PM

The Rock Hall won some favor back with me when they inducted Leonard Cohen, but they've just squandered it.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 22 2008 12:22 PM

I just don't see Leonard Cohan as a rock and roller. Rush, Chicago, Yes and all screwed over again.

sharpie Sep 22 2008 12:36 PM

Biggest omission in my opinion is Tom Waits.

sharpie Sep 22 2008 02:10 PM

Another article I just read said that War is also a possible nominee. They don't get in.

seawolf17 Sep 22 2008 05:31 PM

Eh. What are they good for?

metsguyinmichigan Sep 22 2008 07:30 PM

seawolf17 wrote: Eh. What are they good for? Absolutely nothing! Huh! Say it again!

AG/DC Sep 23 2008 10:03 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 24 2008 08:32 AM

What's the big deal with Tom Waits? Why can't he be in the Cabaret Hall of Fame? This isn't a Hall of General Merit. He's a wonderful American musical voice that was scantly ever a Rock 'n' Roller. I'd put Little Anthony and the Imperials in first. Though not my top priority, the guy had perhaps the best voice of the fifties R&B-into-Rock 'n' Roll era --- certainly the best "isn't that a chick?" voice.

sharpie Sep 24 2008 07:48 AM

Well, Tom Waits did cover a Ramones song on his last album. He's a lot more rock and roll than a lot of people who are in there.

AG/DC Sep 24 2008 08:38 AM

I guess, but that puts us in the awful situation where the least become the standard. Everybody's got cross-genre covers to their credit. It shouldn't get Whitney Houston into the Country Music Hall of Fame. I've got more Tom Waits music collected than I care to think about. I certainly honor him. I only think that this wouldn't necessarily be the most appropriate honor. Nonetheless it certainly wouldn't be disgraceful. I didn't think Dion belonged, then I heard Lou Reed read his inducting essay and, by the end, I wondered how any such institution could exist without Dion.