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Reyes, Right & Records II

Frayed Knot Sep 30 2008 01:34 PM Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Oct 01 2008 09:47 AM

I did this same thing [url=http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/7500/f1_t7566.shtml]a year ago[/url] so I figured it needs an update now that another season is behind us. It's a look at where Reyes & Wright are in respect to all-time team offensive records and a guestimate as to when they'll reach those marks. STAT RECORD HOLDER REYES PLACE Pct Proj? WRIGHT PLACE Pct Proj? ABs 5,436 Kranepool 3,206 10th 59% 2012 2,650 18th 49% --- Hits 1,418 Kranepool 919 11th 65% 2011 819 12th 58% --- Doubles 225 Kranepool 155 10th 69% --- 183 6th 81% 2009/10 Triples 62 Wilson 71 1st --- 2008 10 T-37 16% --- HRs 252 Strawberry 61 26th 24% --- 130 5th 52% 2013 Total Bases 2,047 Kranepool 1,399 9th 68% 2012 1,412 8th 69% 2012 RBIs 733 Strawberry 310 22nd 42% --- 489 7th 67% 2011 Stolen Bases 281 Wilson 291 1st --- 2008 92 11th 33% --- Walks 580 Strawberry 241 23rd 42% --- 340 13th 59% 2011 Runs 662 Strawberry 533 7th 81% 2010 464 10th 70% --- Strike Outs 960 Strwberry 386 22nd 40% --- 499 13th 52% 2013 Doubles is the interesting stat to follow next year. Wright is 42 away from tying Kranepool and has hit exactly 42 doubles in 3 of the last 4 seasons (40 in the other) so his typical year would put him right on the brink. The other is Total Bases where they've been neck-and-neck with each other for a while now.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 30 2008 01:43 PM

Reyes is only about a season and a half (let's say June of 2010) from getting to second place on the Mets all-time hits list. His next 270 hits will allow him to pass, in order, Keith Hernandez, Jerry Grote, Howard Johnson, Darryl Strawberry, Mike Piazza, Bud Harrelson, Mookie Wilson, Edgardo Alfonzo, and Cleon Jones. Only three hits separate HoJo and Grote, and only four separate Strawberry, Piazza, and Harrelson. 1. Ed Kranepool 1418 2. Cleon Jones 1188 3. Edgardo Alfonzo 1136 4. Mookie Wilson 1112 5. Bud Harrelson 1029 6. Mike Piazza 1028 7. Darryl Strawberry 1025 8. Howard Johnson 997 9. Jerry Grote 994 10. Keith Hernandez 939 11. José Reyes 919

G-Fafif Sep 30 2008 01:46 PM

Guys who have already made such an impact on Met history really should have been invited out for the Shea Goodbye ceremony.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 30 2008 01:49 PM

I agree. Todd Zeile and Jim McAndrew were out there, but Jose Reyes and David Wright don't get to touch home plate one more time? (No disrespect to Todd Zeile, and CERTAINLY no disrespect to the Pride of Lost Nation, Iowa, but there were a few more legendary Mets than them in the Shea clubhouse during that ceremony.)

G-Fafif Sep 30 2008 01:52 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: 1. Ed Kranepool 1418 2. Cleon Jones 1188 3. Edgardo Alfonzo 1136 Even in his reduced post-Mets state, Fonzie would have passed Krane for sure by the end of '04, the beginning of '05. I watched the all-time hit leader charts on the scoreboard in Fonzie's last Met year and anticipated the day he bumped the other Eddie from No. 1. Nobody else who got remotely close to Krane had any kind of production after leaving the Mets. Never got over Fonzie's departure completely until he walked on to the field in No. 13 Sunday evening.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Sep 30 2008 01:56 PM

G-Fafif wrote: Guys who have already made such an impact on Met history really should have been invited out for the Shea Goodbye ceremony. I don't think they would have been in the mood.

G-Fafif Sep 30 2008 02:03 PM

Vince Coleman Firecracker wrote: ="G-Fafif"]Guys who have already made such an impact on Met history really should have been invited out for the Shea Goodbye ceremony. I don't think they would have been in the mood. Too true. And beyond the implications for the 2008 postseason, what a shame.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 30 2008 02:30 PM

I'm amazed that after all these years, Krane is still atop all these records. Granted, playing 17 years with one club will do that. But, wow, that's a long time for those to stand.

seawolf17 Sep 30 2008 02:34 PM

G-Fafif wrote: ="Vince Coleman Firecracker"] G-Fafif wrote: Guys who have already made such an impact on Met history really should have been invited out for the Shea Goodbye ceremony. I don't think they would have been in the mood. Too true. And beyond the implications for the 2008 postseason, what a shame. I wonder if they would have brought them out if they'd won. I'd like to know where the hell Kevin McReynolds was on Sunday, quite frankly. The only all-time top 20 Mets in games played who weren't even mentioned were him, Rey Ordonez (who might have been booed), and John Milner, who was dead last time I checked. Not cool, Mets.

SteveJRogers Sep 30 2008 05:26 PM

I was about to say that yeah, coming off a loss I wouldn't want Wright or Reyes to get showered with boos, but you know what, the last day of the season is traditionally Fan Appreciation Day. So yeah, even if the Mets told them not to, Wright and Reyes should have taken the opportunity, before Mike and Tom started their walk to the gate. Then bring out the 2008 Mets, say a few nice words (sure certain fans would have taken them as hollow, but who cares at that point) and give one last curtain call the way the Mets USED to do it on Fan Appreciation Days. Then Reyes and Wright walk WITH Piazza and Seaver through the gate out in CF.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 30 2008 05:33 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: Then Reyes and Wright walk WITH Piazza and Seaver through the gate out in CF. No. That ending was perfect as it was.

Rockin' Doc Sep 30 2008 05:40 PM

metsguy - "I'm amazed that after all these years, Krane is still atop all these records. Granted, playing 17 years with one club will do that. But, wow, that's a long time for those to stand." Yet, he ranks only eleventh on the all time player ranking on his namesake forum. A long career of mediocrity for a succession of mostly bad teams may allow one to amass records, but it will not mark one for greatness.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 30 2008 06:20 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: metsguy - "I'm amazed that after all these years, Krane is still atop all these records. Granted, playing 17 years with one club will do that. But, wow, that's a long time for those to stand." Yet, he ranks only eleventh on the all time player ranking on his namesake forum. A long career of mediocrity for a succession of mostly bad teams may allow one to amass records, but it will not mark one for greatness. Eddie outranks John Olerud on the CPF. What would you rather have: 17 years of Kranepool or three years of Olie?

AG/DC Sep 30 2008 07:12 PM

All other things being equal, it's hard to say. You take one, you may well just stumble into the other, over 17 years.

Kong76 Sep 30 2008 07:43 PM

bmags: Eddie outranks John Olerud on the CPF. What would you rather have: 17 years of Kranepool or three years of Olie?<<< Guess it depends what you're looking for. Clearly seventeen years of service to a team, whether he makes one's fantasy stats heart pump or not, is going to outscore a guy with three. This would happen on a ranking of any team's players. If ya got a beef with Kranepool, take it to the ranking threads.