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="metsguyinmichigan":3s4uep6x]That off-season between 2006 and 2007 was just disastrous for Omar. Did any of those deals work out? Am I missing one?[/quote:3s4uep6x]
Nope. Nothing Omar did that winter worked out, except for Easley and Alou (mostly).
From the worst to the best, the offseason resulted in:
[u:3s4uep6x]Lost to Free-Agency[/u:3s4uep6x]
1. Failed to re-sign Bradford
2. Failed to re-sign Oliver
3. Allowed Floyd to leave
[u:3s4uep6x]Trades[/u:3s4uep6x]
1. Traded Bell/Ring for Johnson/Adkins
2. Traded Lindstrom/Owens for J. Vargas/Bostick
3. Traded Bannister for Burgos
[u:3s4uep6x]Free Agents[/u:3s4uep6x]
1. Re-signed Mota
2. Signed Schoeneweis
3. Signed Sele
4. Signed Newhan
5. Signed Easley
6. Signed Alou
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smg58
Oct 02 2008 06:08 AM
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Bradford, Oliver, Bell, and Lindstrom would have been the four best relievers on this year's club once Wagner went down.
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OlerudOwned
Oct 02 2008 08:02 AM
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="smg58":3j9o7huv]Bradford, Oliver, Bell, and Lindstrom would have been the four best relievers on this year's club once Wagner went down.[/quote:3j9o7huv]
Bell and Lindstrom would have completely changed our season.
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Centerfield
Oct 02 2008 08:37 AM
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="Gwreck":1fbusn75]="metsguyinmichigan":1fbusn75]That off-season between 2006 and 2007 was just disastrous for Omar. Did any of those deals work out? Am I missing one?[/quote:1fbusn75]
Nope. Nothing Omar did that winter worked out, except for Easley and Alou (mostly).
From the worst to the best, the offseason resulted in:
[u:1fbusn75]Lost to Free-Agency[/u:1fbusn75]
1. Failed to re-sign Bradford
2. Failed to re-sign Oliver
3. Allowed Floyd to leave
[u:1fbusn75]Trades[/u:1fbusn75]
1. Traded Bell/Ring for Johnson/Adkins
2. Traded Lindstrom/Owens for J. Vargas/Bostick
3. Traded Bannister for Burgos
[u:1fbusn75]Free Agents[/u:1fbusn75]
1. Re-signed Mota
2. Signed Schoeneweis
3. Signed Sele
4. Signed Newhan
5. Signed Easley
6. Signed Alou[/quote:1fbusn75]
That's amazing. There isn't a single move on that list, except Easley, that I would do again if I had the chance.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 02 2008 08:43 AM
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And Easley while a success for what we got from him, encountered an unfortunate, but wholly predictable finish to that year considering his age. Who knows what was possible had he stayed healthy.
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metirish
Oct 02 2008 08:45 AM
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What a list , funny that Minaya used to promote a strong bullpen as the key to winning teams.
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Frayed Knot
Oct 02 2008 09:00 AM
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My thoughts as I remember them at the time:
1. Failed to re-sign Bradford -- I didn't mind this move based on not liking 3-year deals for relievers and his similarity with the younger/cheaper upcoming Smith. Only problem was then turning around and giving similar money to Schoeneweis
2. Failed to re-sign Oliver -- I thought nothing of this at the time. He was ready to retire and I'm shocked he's still pitching.
3. Allowed Floyd to leave -- Right move then and now
1. Traded Bell/Ring for Johnson/Adkins -- It's easy to lament Bell now, but unfortunately he was lousy during his last season here. Maybe this was a Peterson issue. The problem was what was brought back.
2. Traded Lindstrom/Owens for J. Vargas/Bostick -- Lindstrom had stuff but was wild and not all that young. Owens was more a novelty (catcher turned pitcher). Again, the problem was that the imports weren't good enough to be 4th OF/5th starter types as hoped.
3. Traded Bannister for Burgos -- I liked this at the time. Fans keep saying they want power arms for the pen and Burgos was exactly that plus younger w/more upside. Just didn't know he was going to turn into injury-prone criminal.
1. Re-signed Mota -- showed promise in a brief trial. But too brief + steroids shouldn't equal a 2-year deal
2. Signed Schoeneweis -- See Bradford
3. Signed Sele -- Essentially a meaningless back of the pen move
4. Signed Newhan -- Essentially a meaningless end of the bench move
5. Signed Easley -- Decnet to good bench player
6. Signed Alou -- Good singing
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Centerfield
Oct 02 2008 09:04 AM
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It's not like Omar has done a bang-up job since that 06-07 winter either. The Santana trade was great. Other than that, his track record hasn't been spectacular. Maybe extensions are easier to come by these days:
*Exercise the option on Moises Alou
*Acquired OF Ryan Church and C Brian Schneider from the Washington Nationals in exchange for OF Lastings Milledge.
*Acquired RHP Brian Stokes from the Tampa Bay Rays in exchange for cash considerations.
*Acquired C Johnny Estrada from the Brewers in exchange for RHP Guillermo Mota.
*Re-signed 2B Luis Castillo to a four-year contract.
*Re-signed C Ramon Castro to a two-year contract.
*Release OF David Newhan and LHP Dave Williams.
*Signed RHP Matt Wise to a one-year contract.
*Non-tender C Johnny Estrada, RHP Juan Padilla and OF Ben Johnson, making them free agents.
*Selected RHP Steven Register from the Rockies in the Rule 5 Draft then gave him back.
*Acquired OF Angel Pagan from the Cubs for nonroster OF Corey Coles and nonroster RHP Ryan Meyers.
*Signed OF Brady Clark
*Signed OF Ben Johnson
*Signed free agent 1B Olmedo Saenz
*Signed RHP Tony Armas Jr.
*Signed RHP Nelson Figueroa
*Acquired LHP Johan Santana from the Twins for OF Carlos Gomez, RHP Deolis Guerra, RHP Philip Humber and RHP Kevin Mulvey
*Acquired RHP Luis Ayala from the Nationals for Anderson Hernandez.
In hindsight, I'd say the Church trade was good, the Santana trade was great, and everything else ranges from "eh" to "makes me want to vomit".
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AG/DC
Oct 02 2008 09:31 AM
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Back to the main subject of the thread: Burgos is innocent until proven guilty and all, but can we release him for driving a Hummer?
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AG/DC
Oct 02 2008 12:39 PM
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Here's a strange turn:
<blockquote>Although a relative of the right-hander, Edwin Silvestre Sanchez, told police investigators he was the driver at fault, Taveras indicated Sanchez likely will be considered an accomplice.</blockquote>
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HahnSolo
Oct 02 2008 12:46 PM
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A sycophant trying to protect his gravy train, maybe?
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Benjamin Grimm
Oct 03 2008 06:54 AM
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I just realized that Burgos got no surge of hits on the UMDB from this. If you rob a jewelry store (Jeff Reardon) or fly a plane into a building (Cory Lidle) your numbers go through the roof.
But you kill two people in the Dominican Republic: nothing!
He's had fewer lookups this week than guys like Shaun Fitzmaurice and Tito Navarro.
I wonder if it's the Dominican Republic angle? If he had killed two women on the Jersey Turnpike this probably would have gotten a lot more attention.
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AG/DC
Oct 03 2008 06:58 AM
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I had forgotten he ever played for the big team.
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Rockin' Doc
Oct 03 2008 11:11 AM
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AG/DC - <i>"I had forgotten he ever played for the big team."</i>
Lucky you. In all fairness, his 2007 stats with the Mets would have looked pretty good compared to this year's bullpen staff.
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Fman99
Oct 03 2008 11:14 AM
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="Rockin' Doc":60b5v6ml]AG/DC - <i>"I had forgotten he ever played for the big team."</i>
Lucky you. In all fairness, his 2007 stats with the Mets would have looked pretty good compared to this year's bullpen staff.[/quote:60b5v6ml]
I can think of one appearance he made... he got the win, IIRC, in the weekday matinee game where the Mets made up a five run deficit in the 9th against erstwhile closer Ryan Dempster and the Cubbies. Delgado RBI single to win it...
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Benjamin Grimm
Oct 03 2008 11:17 AM
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My one memory of Burgos as a Met was him pitching to Ryan Howard in an early season game. In the IGT, I urged Willie to leave him in to face Howard, and Howard promptly hit a game-tying or tie-breaking home run.
It led to a Mets loss to the Phillies. And as we know, had the Mets had one additional win against the Phillies in 2007, we'd have much different memories of that year.
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Gwreck
Oct 03 2008 11:21 AM
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="Benjamin Grimm":1rsi7ukc]My one memory of Burgos as a Met was him pitching to Ryan Howard in an early season game. In the IGT, I urged Willie to leave him in to face Howard, and Howard promptly hit a game-tying or tie-breaking home run.[/quote:1rsi7ukc]
Home opener, IIRC.
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Benjamin Grimm
Oct 03 2008 11:22 AM
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Probably. I only tend to IGT during weekday day games when I'm stuck in front of the computer.
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HahnSolo
Oct 03 2008 11:26 AM
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="Benjamin Grimm":31qetany]My one memory of Burgos as a Met was him pitching to Ryan Howard in an early season game. In the IGT, I urged Willie to leave him in to face Howard, and Howard promptly hit a game-tying or tie-breaking home run.
It led to a Mets loss to the Phillies. And as we know, had the Mets had one additional win against the Phillies in 2007, we'd have much different memories of that year.[/quote:31qetany]
It was the home opener, and I am pretty sure the Mets had a comeback to win.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 03 2008 11:26 AM
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| ]OlerudOwned
Apr 09 2007 01:10 PM
No Feliciano to face Howard, Burgos stays in.
Centerfield
Apr 09 2007 01:10 PM
Why is Feliciano not in to face Howard?
Willets Point
Apr 09 2007 01:10 PM
I think this is going to be one of those unintentional intentional walks for Howard.
Nymr83
Apr 09 2007 01:11 PM
woah. pitching to Howard, i don't agree with this.
OlerudOwned
Apr 09 2007 01:11 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 09 2007 01:12 PM
Howard is ice cold, that splitter has him all over the place.
EDIT: I'm misspelled Cory Lidle. RIP.
Benjamin Grimm
Apr 09 2007 01:11 PM
It looks like Burgos is pitching to Howard.
Good. I'm okay with that...
Johnny Dickshot
Apr 09 2007 01:12 PM
3-run fucking homer
Nymr83
Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM
HR Ryan Howard, i knew that was a dumb idea.
Willets Point
Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM
Yancy Street Gang wrote:
It looks like Burgos is pitching to Howard.
Good. I'm okay with that...
How do you feel about that now?
OlerudOwned
Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM
Ok, he stopped looking cold.
Centerfield
Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM
Willie is going to get killed for this one. No way you leave a righty in to face Howard. Bad bad move.
Rotblatt
Apr 09 2007 01:13 PM
Retarded.
Should have brought in Feliciano. Burgos sucks against lefties. It's a miracle he got Utley out.
metirish
Apr 09 2007 01:14 PM
Willie will say Feliciano pitched the last few nights,or some such bullshit.
Benjamin Grimm
Apr 09 2007 01:14 PM
Willets Point wrote:
="Yancy Street Gang"]It looks like Burgos is pitching to Howard.
Good. I'm okay with that...
How do you feel about that now?
Not quite as good as I did earlier.
At least now I won't be tempted to name my next child or pet "Ambiorix."
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themetfairy
Oct 03 2008 11:26 AM
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The Mets lost this year's home opener.
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HahnSolo
Oct 03 2008 12:13 PM
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="themetfairy":s5rjbiet]The Mets lost this year's home opener.[/quote:s5rjbiet]
Yeah, that's the 07 opener when Burgos spit the bit.
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themetfairy
Oct 03 2008 12:21 PM
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Gotcha
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AG/DC
Oct 08 2008 08:54 AM
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Burgos is in custody, and may be in far deeper shit than originally thought.
<blockquote>The news comes after the mother of one of the two victims accused Burgos of intentionally running her daughter over because she refused to go out with him.
Eudosia Ruane, mother of 29-year-old Angely Fana, told the AP she filed a report with police alleging homicide.</blockquote>There's some scoundrels in the UMDB, but no killers that I'm aware of.
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SteveJRogers
Oct 08 2008 09:14 AM
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IIRC wasn't Julio Machado involved in something relating to a homicide case?
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AG/DC
Oct 08 2008 09:25 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 08 2008 12:44 PM
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I think we need more nuance than "eh." Small moves can make a big difference and one more small one this year could have made all the difference.
*Exercise the option on Moises Alou
Tough to argue at the time but the money blown on Moises could have gone to better use. Call this one a -2, thought the big failure was not hammering into his head not to dive in a rehab game.
*Acquired OF Ryan Church and C Brian Schneider from the Washington Nationals in exchange for OF Lastings Milledge.
+1 for thew Mets. Could have been bigger. Still can
*Acquired RHP Brian Stokes from the Tampa Bay Rays in exchange for cash considerations.
+1 for the Mets. Found productivity here.
*Acquired C Johnny Estrada from the Brewers in exchange for RHP Guillermo Mota.
Tough to argue at the time, but backfired. -1.
*Re-signed 2B Luis Castillo to a four-year contract.
-3
*Re-signed C Ramon Castro to a two-year contract.
Looks to be neutral, but swinging into the negative based on the first year. -1
*Release OF David Newhan and LHP Dave Williams.
0 and 0.
*Signed RHP Matt Wise to a one-year contract.
-1
*Non-tender C Johnny Estrada, RHP Juan Padilla and OF Ben Johnson, making them free agents.
0 and 0 and 0, but obviously the Johnson release reflects on how you score the deal which acquired him.
*Selected RHP Steven Register from the Rockies in the Rule 5 Draft then gave him back.
0
*Acquired OF Angel Pagan from the Cubs for nonroster OF Corey Coles and nonroster RHP Ryan Meyers.
+1
*Signed OF Brady Clark
0
*Signed OF Ben Johnson
0
*Signed free agent 1B Olmedo Saenz
0
*Signed RHP Tony Armas Jr.
-1
*Signed RHP Nelson Figueroa
+1
*Acquired LHP Johan Santana from the Twins for OF Carlos Gomez, RHP Deolis Guerra, RHP Philip Humber and RHP Kevin Mulvey
+3. Could swing back to a more modest plus.
*Acquired RHP Luis Ayala from the Nationals for Anderson Hernandez.
+1
I think that adds up to a Met net negative 1.
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SteveJRogers
Oct 08 2008 10:05 AM
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Quick question though, can the Mets at any point give Burgos his unconditional release?
If so, what are they waiting for? Due process?
Does he have to be reinstated off the DL?
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Gwreck
Oct 08 2008 11:42 AM
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Without having seen the contract, I'll guess it makes more sense for the Mets to not release him. If Burgos is in jail, he's not fulfilling his end of the deal, which means the Mets won't have to pay him.
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HahnSolo
Oct 08 2008 12:32 PM
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| ="AG/DC"]
*Re-signed 2B Luis Castillo to a four-year contract.
-3,000 |
Just fixed one little mistake you had there.
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Benjamin Grimm
Oct 08 2008 12:36 PM
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That really was a nutty move, wasn't it?
I can imagine how good Castillo's agent must have felt while driving home from that contract signing.
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metirish
Oct 09 2008 08:03 PM
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Mets' Burgos jailed for 3 months ahead of trial
By DIONISIO SOLDEVILA – 4 hours ago
NAGUA, Dominican Republic (AP) — New York Mets pitcher Ambiorix Burgos will be jailed for three months while awaiting trial for a hit-and-run accident that killed two women.
The 24-year-old reliever told The Associated Press that a Dominican judge ordered him to remain behind bars Wednesday night out of concerns for his safety.
"I am going to come out of this fine because my conscience is clear, and I'm not worried this will affect my career because I haven't done anything," he said in the jailhouse interview.
Burgos is accused of abandoning the victims of the Sept. 30 accident and fleeing, charges that can carry six months to two years in prison. He disappeared after the accident but turned himself in Tuesday.
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themetfairy
Oct 09 2008 08:12 PM
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Why is he wearing a White Sox cap?
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metirish
Oct 09 2008 08:14 PM
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Because he's a bollox.
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HahnSolo
Oct 10 2008 08:44 AM
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DR cop, trying his best to look menacing.
Not succeeding.
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AG/DC
Oct 10 2008 08:49 AM
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Oh, I think he looks menacing, just not in the hard-assed cop sense. More like in the perverted uncle sense.
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Centerfield
Oct 10 2008 08:52 AM
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Forget the Sox hat, why is he wearing the Aflac duck on his shirt?
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metirish
Oct 10 2008 08:56 AM
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Sorry , I forgot to mention that this arrest was made courtesy of Aflac. I'm sure Burgos is saving at least 15% this.
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AG/DC
Oct 10 2008 09:15 AM
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Shouldn't bad-ass cop have him in cuffs instead of on the phone?
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HahnSolo
Oct 10 2008 10:20 AM
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On a related note, ESPN did a feature last week with Jeremy Schaap interviewing Ugie Urbina from jail. He's ready to pitch, folks! Well, assuming his appeal goes through, or, he's released early...minor inconveniences.
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metirish
Oct 10 2008 10:23 AM
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Has the makings of a sweet jail house sports movie starring 'The Rock" or some other such waster.
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Fman99
Oct 10 2008 11:10 AM
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="HahnSolo":6ljo33ad]DR cop, trying his best to look menacing.
Not succeeding.[/quote:6ljo33ad]
His inner monologue:
"Don't mess with me or I'll rub my head spots on you!"
followed by
"Mr. Quentin, can I have your autograph?"
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metsguyinmichigan
Oct 10 2008 11:54 AM
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="themetfairy":s75v0yzf]Why is he wearing a White Sox cap?[/quote:s75v0yzf]
Im sure the White Sox are SO thrilled that he's wearing their cap -- with the tag still on it!
I'm pretty happy, too. Someone get him a Jeter jersey and I'd be even more happy.
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metirish
Oct 10 2008 11:58 AM
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The style now days is to keep the tag on , at least here in NYC it is. I don't get it either but tags are the thing now.
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Benjamin Grimm
Oct 10 2008 12:00 PM
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You mean that sticker that's on the brim?
That, along with the flat brim, looks ridiculous.
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metirish
Oct 10 2008 12:05 PM
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Yeah the sticker on the brim is all the style , that and the sticker that gives the hat size in the under side of the brim.
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soupcan
Oct 10 2008 01:14 PM
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Bought my son a new Mets fitted hat a little while back.
We walked out of the store and the first thing he did was remove all the stickers and start rolling the brim.
I was so proud.
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Fman99
Oct 10 2008 06:17 PM
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I was reconsidering the title of this thread.
Burgos is the answer... but the question should be "Which Met is most likely to mow you down as you cross the street eating churros?"
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Edgy DC
Oct 30 2008 10:36 AM
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| ]New York Mets pitcher Ambiorix Burgos has been released from jail following a car crash that killed two women. A judge ordered him to pay $57,000 US and appear every two weeks before a magistrate until a court date is set. |
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Gwreck
Oct 30 2008 11:46 AM
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He could probably sell some of the jewelery to afford it.
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Edgy DC
Feb 05 2009 05:47 AM
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Adam Rubin sez:
<blockquote>Ambiorix Burgos, who was dumped by the Mets in December, continues to throw his life away.
According to Diario Libre, Burgos, who is free despite being charged with killing two women while driving a vehicle, allegedly got into a fight with another ballplayer, Félix El Gatico Martínez while they played dominoes. Martinez reportedly told police that Burgos pulled out a gun and threatened to kill him.</blockquote>
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Benjamin Grimm
Feb 05 2009 08:05 AM
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Note to self: Never play dominoes with Ambiorix Burgos.
On the plus side, we like intense competitors, don't we?
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Centerfield
Feb 05 2009 09:29 AM
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I don't know how to play the actual game of dominos. But if he's talking about stacking them so they can fall in a line, I can see how that would drive someone to that sort of reaction. I mean, you spend all afternoon trying to get things just right, making sure to put plenty on the curves, splitting them into parallel tracks, then some doofus comes and knocks everything down while you're still working...few things in life are that maddening.
I remember when I was ten my friend Mike did that to me like twice in one day. Had I been packing heat at the time, who knows what would have gone down.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 05 2009 09:46 AM
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lol
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Edgy DC
Apr 22 2009 12:05 PM
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Burgos gets nine months for a September beatdown on a woman.
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Benjamin Grimm
Apr 22 2009 12:25 PM
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If he had done it in March, would he have only gotten three months?
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