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There Used to be a Scoreboard Here

G-Fafif Oct 18 2008 03:57 PM

At Baseball Fever, a [url=http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1339235&postcount=617]spectacular picture[/url] of the scoreboard just before it came down. Two old Bud ads (one very old) and the space where the projection screen used to sit. And [url=http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1339240&postcount=620]Shea without a scoreboard[/url] (which the Mets surely didn't need anyway given their run production the last weekend).

Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2008 04:13 PM

What's that little building with the red roof on the lower right? Is it the skeleton of the clubhouse shop?

A Boy Named Seo Oct 18 2008 04:18 PM

What's the green leaf for on the upper deck?

themetfairy Oct 18 2008 04:45 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: What's the green leaf for on the upper deck? The New York City Parks Department. It's their property.

Gwreck Oct 18 2008 05:27 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: What's that little building with the red roof on the lower right? Is it the skeleton of the clubhouse shop? Subway token booth. Build this at the beginning of this year after they tore down the subway rotunda.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2008 05:50 PM

Huh. I went to Shea three times this year and walked right past that spot each time and never noticed it.

Kong76 Oct 18 2008 06:26 PM

Seo: What's the green leaf for on the upper deck? <<< NYC Parks Dept logo:

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 18 2008 06:43 PM

I just wanna hurl and hurl.

seawolf17 Oct 18 2008 07:07 PM

themetfairy wrote: The New York City Parks Department. It's their property. [meigray] I'm going to have to disagree with you there. [/meigray]

Farmer Ted Oct 18 2008 07:07 PM

Fucking brutal.

Kong76 Oct 18 2008 07:18 PM

I'm in Sheaisgone denial. There, I said it.

SteveJRogers Oct 18 2008 08:02 PM

I for one find it amazing that all these years the backing of that thing was just a canvas and it never was repainted Kind of strange to see the old, original backing of that scoreboard with Shea as it looked in its final years.

Farmer Ted Oct 19 2008 06:33 PM

Damn bulldozer in the middle of the field. Show some fucking respect.

bmfc1 Oct 19 2008 06:46 PM

How did all these workers and their machinery get in place so fast? Theoretically, the Mets could still be playing so they couldn't have scheduled the work in advance for these dates. It's as if they knew the Mets would screw it up and they were ready to go.

soupcan Oct 20 2008 08:08 AM

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G-Fafif Oct 20 2008 09:10 AM

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Willets Point Oct 20 2008 09:14 AM

<weeps>

Centerfield Oct 20 2008 09:18 AM

Don't look anymore. Remember her when she looked her best. Take a moment to reflect next time you go out there. But let her go with dignity. No need to have her pictures broadcast everywhere looking the way she does.

AG/DC Oct 20 2008 09:28 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 20 2008 10:17 AM

I disagree. By action or inaction, we have a hand in this. Turning away is to divest ourselves of the result. Either you triumphed in your advocacy for this or failed in your resisitance. But this is yours and this is mine.

Iubitul Oct 20 2008 10:08 AM

I feel like I've been punched in the gut...

Centerfield Oct 20 2008 12:23 PM

AG/DC wrote: I disagree. By action or inaction, we have a hand in this. Turning away is to divest ourselves of the result. Either you triumphed in your advocacy for this or failed in your resisitance. But this is yours and this is mine. A hand in what? How they take down Shea?

AG/DC Oct 20 2008 12:24 PM

That they take down Shea.

Centerfield Oct 20 2008 12:37 PM

You want them to demolish it rather than pick apart piece by piece?

AG/DC Oct 20 2008 12:48 PM

I want them to put it back together.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2008 01:01 PM

I think, as a fan, you can voice your displeasure by not allowing the Mets to profit from destroying the building by buying the peices back from them at obscene multiples of their worth. The Wilpons have to be in real estate heaven. Not only are they being paid to build a lucrative new building, they are being paid to destroy a less profitable one.

AG/DC Oct 20 2008 01:53 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think, as a fan, you can voice your displeasure by not allowing the Mets to profit from destroying the building by buying the peices back from them at obscene multiples of their worth. Done. Oh, believe me.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 20 2008 01:55 PM

For me, this is a nose/face thing. I'd rather have the memento than send the message.

Frayed Knot Oct 21 2008 04:45 PM

Jeffie on FAN tonight: - sod at the new joint in the next 2 weeks or so - the structure of Shea itself won't start getting razed for 2 or 3 months - restaurants in CitiField for weddings, meetings, etc. will start some time this winter. Those will only be used for reserved affairs until (and if) the Willets Point section gets redeveloped and there's enough consumer traffic to to open them for use 365

AG/DC Oct 21 2008 10:00 PM

Picnic bleachers go

Willets Point Oct 21 2008 10:13 PM

The picnic bleachers always had an air of impermanence to them. I'm surprised they weren't given/sold to a high school.

Rockin' Doc Oct 22 2008 04:55 AM

I had the same thought initially, but they can make more money selling them as scrap metal.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2008 07:16 AM

]Picnic bleachers go See, they're returning Shea to it's natural state. First all those plastic seats in those newfangled colors went. So did the updates to the scoreboard, the padded wall, plus those Johnny-come-lately picnic seats. And that crass video board - we didn't need that kind of fancy stuff when I first started going to games! Before long, when we're all not looking, they're going to sneak in the replacement yellow-orange-blue-green wooden fold-down chairs. After that it's time to restore the green plywood wall and a proper bare-bones scoreboard. At which point they'll deflate that blow-up mock stadium they're "building" next door and we're gonna party like it's Nineteen-Sixty-Four

themetfairy Oct 22 2008 07:23 AM

Knowing that Shea is being razed is different from watching it. It's like eating meat - I'm not a vegetarian, but that doesn't mean that I want to look at the process of how the items get to the supermarket.

G-Fafif Oct 22 2008 07:30 AM

AG/DC wrote: Picnic bleachers go Geez, it wasn't one month ago I (along with a few other Poolers) sat in those very bleachers. Same could be said for the seats that have gone missing per MeiGray, but those were 55,000. These were benches where I could pick out where I was. All gone. Progress is best not watched while in progress.

G-Fafif Oct 22 2008 07:33 AM

="Frayed Knot"]See, they're returning Shea to it's natural state. First all those plastic seats in those newfangled colors went. So did the updates to the scoreboard, the padded wall, plus those Johnny-come-lately picnic seats. And that crass video board - we didn't need that kind of fancy stuff when I first started going to games! Before long, when we're all not looking, they're going to sneak in the replacement yellow-orange-blue-green wooden fold-down chairs. After that it's time to restore the green plywood wall and a proper bare-bones scoreboard. At which point they'll deflate that blow-up mock stadium they're "building" next door and we're gonna party like it's Nineteen-Sixty-Four One of our readers [url=http://faithandfear.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/7/28/3812994.html]forecast[/url] this would happen: ]Inspired by Stephen King's "Christine," Faith and Fear reader Joe Lauzardo offers us an alternate take on what everybody assumes will be the last days of Shea Stadium. He sends it, he says, out of "a spirit of loyalty" to our lame duck of a ballpark — and maybe a little for "revenge" toward those who would destroy it. It is night. Shea Stadium is watching its apparent replacement in the close distance and its own subsequent demise in the very near future. The empty ballpark resonates with the faintest sound of cheering, perhaps screaming. Are they cheering for the Mets? The Jets? The Beatles? Clearly it is the sound of a day that has passed. Shea on this night, however, doesn't merely sit and watch for long. A howling wind is the next sound to be heard. It blows in from left field, off Flushing Bay, and it thrusts corrugated steel plates — one blue, one orange — into the middle of the diamond. A blue plate? An orange plate? Of all the materiel gathered at the construction site on the other side of the blue outfield fence, there is nothing matching that description. From where did these pieces appear? This is no chance wind, no accidental accumulation of steel. No, it is as if the park is trying to rejuvenate itself supernaturally. The ground begins to rumble uncontrollably. The stadium lifts itself from its foundation, then crawls from side to side knocking down fixtures and lights. Approaching the structure planned as its replacement, Shea's open end surrounds the new ballpark and, with a quick shudder and the sound of crashing metal and rumbling concrete, Shea Stadium devours Citi Field like a late-night snack. As daylight breaks, the sun sheds light on an apparent reversal of time. There is only one stadium! Shea Stadium! It is adorned with hundreds of those blue and orange steel plates, looking as it did in April of '64. Off its shoulder, the departed subway extension, gone to make way for Citi Field, is somehow back up. It, too, emits its pristine 1964 vibe. Everybody gasps at what the sun has revealed: an apocalyptic confrontation that has rocked the Flushing night. Two ballparks, one winner. They see it from the 7. They see it from the Grand Central. They see it from LaGuardia. It is November. Demolition of Shea is to begin this morning. But there is Shea, standing as if new. And there is Citi, nowhere to be seen. Otherwise all is 2008 — nothing else is disturbed. Everybody starts thinking the same thought: those idiots tore down the wrong stadium — typical Mets! Into the confusion rushes a man we shall call Mr. Citi. Mr. Citi has overseen construction of the new temple, the temple that has now vanished from the face of the earth, let alone Flushing. He wasn't going to take this lying down. His eyes set red with anger, Mr. Citi grabs a wrecking bar from a nearby chop shop and marches across 126th Street. If Shea is going to wreak havoc on his masterpiece, Mr. Citi is going to wreak havoc on Shea. Or so he thinks. As it is November, Shea is gated shut. So Mr. Citi goes after the gates. He bangs his way inside Gate C to the maze of escalators and ramps. The scent overwhelms him. It is paint. Fresh paint. Fresh paint from, yup, 1964. Everything inside is new, too. New as it was, that is. Shea Stadium has returned to its youth. His fuming gives way to stunned silence. Everywhere he looks, Shea classic has replaced new Shea. It's got its whole future ahead of it. Mr. Citi sprints up the first ramp he finds and tears out onto the field itself. It is indeed Shea Stadium from its World's Fair heyday. It is the most modern ballpark in America. The scoreboard is enormous. The public address system broadcasts a jazzy "Mexican Hat Dance". The seats are a veritable kaleidoscope of color, starting with the yellow wooden chairs that are closest to the grass. The outfield walls are a calming sea green. And beyond those walls? Parking Lot B, of course. Nothing else. Citi Field isn't there. Who would build a new stadium in a parking lot of what is, as far as the eye can tell, a new stadium? A beautiful new 1964 stadium, at that? Nobody, that's who. Mr. Citi is left alone to contemplate the irony. But he doesn't have long to think, because he hears a crashing sound emanating from the home team bullpen. It's a golf cart. It wears a Mets cap. It is driverless. Yet it is speeding his way. No ushers, no security, no union carpenters or contractors can save him now. It is Mr. Citi versus Shea's bullpen buggy. The buggy is about to have its way with him. He is cornered by the first base dugout. He falls into the cart. The cap snaps down on him. The buggy takes a U-turn... ...across the infield... ...and then the outfield... ...and through the centerfield fence and out the parking lot. The bullpen buggy is headed for the docks of the World's Fair Marina. The faintest of splashing sounds can be heard over the happy organ. Next April, the buggy is back in the bullpen, the fans are back in the seats and beautiful Shea Stadium, the Big Shea of memory, is open for business. With plenty of parking.

Iubitul Oct 23 2008 09:21 AM

Video of the scoreboard coming down. I must be some sort of masochist... http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/video-the-shea-stadium-scoreboard-is-no-more/

G-Fafif Oct 23 2008 09:36 AM

I can't say you didn't warn me. Ouch. I'm going to go clutch my outfield-wall brick tight to my bosom for a few minutes.

AG/DC Oct 23 2008 09:40 AM

All I have to clutch is my bosom.

soupcan Oct 23 2008 09:40 AM

But at least that's free.

AG/DC Oct 23 2008 09:45 AM

Not for you, though.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 23 2008 10:00 AM

That clip ran about 20 seconds too long.

soupcan Oct 23 2008 10:04 AM

AG/DC wrote: Not for you, though. Tease.

Iubitul Oct 23 2008 10:05 AM

I hear they're magnificent

themetfairy Oct 23 2008 10:28 AM

Iubitul wrote: Video of the scoreboard coming down. I must be some sort of masochist... http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/23/video-the-shea-stadium-scoreboard-is-no-more/ Ouch. That was rough to watch. And the term is Metsochist....

G-Fafif Oct 23 2008 08:16 PM

Status report of the [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/sports/baseball/24mets.html]apocalypse[/url] from Richard Sandomir: ]The carcass of Shea Stadium, still standing, awaits its final destruction. The seats have been extracted, flattening three tiers into two colorless dimensions. The bullpens are gone, leaving the rancid memory of last season’s meltdown by the Mets’ relievers. A sheared-off stump of steel that once held their bench remains. The batter’s eye came down Saturday. There isn’t much left of Shea anymore. Part of it disappears every day as the Mets move toward opening day at Citi Field in April. Already 10,000 of 16,000 pairs of its seats have sold for $869 each. The 105-foot-tall foul poles will be cut into pieces for sale by the MeiGray Group in addition to all the Shea memorabilia it is marketing. The home run apple is being shined for its display outside the new stadium. On Wednesday, the left-field bleachers were demolished so quickly that by late afternoon, nearly all traces had been carted off. Every day, trucks haul away the fragments of 44 years. Dumpsters stand by outside the skeletal remains of Shea. Despite the rubble around it, the oversized Dunkin’ Donuts cup still stands. The scoreboard is now a gnarled nest of steel. A small piece of it, with the circuitry that helped it flash numbers and letters, rested crookedly in center field. The infield dirt, unwatered, is cracking. The outfield grass is beset by pattern baldness. The track on which stands once slid to make Shea a football stadium has been unearthed. The twin light towers will be taken down any day to further clear the area beyond the outfield so the Mets can build the plaza wrapping around Citi Field. “They’re so high, and so close to Mr. Wilpon’s new baby,” said Toby Romano, a vice president of Breeze National, the demolition subcontractor, said of the towers’ proximity to the nearly finished Citi. “Nice and easy, we’ll pull them down,” said Danny Collins, a Breeze foreman. “If it were me,” said Jeff Wilpon, the team’s chief operating officer, who wants Shea to be gone as soon as possible. “I’d just go in and bring them down.” Collins, a veteran of demolishing vertical skyscrapers, nonchalantly said the Shea razing was “like any other demolition,” but then called it a “great challenge” to tear down a place where, “I used to spend a lot of time with my uncles.” In the outfield, wide tire tracks created by heavy equipment have furrowed the sod of Beltrán, Delgado and Wright. On the dirt infield sat three of the project’s Bobcats, the compact bulldozers that have been knocking down walls, concession stands, bathrooms, closets, clubhouses and offices. Inside the field level, Bobcats have wrecked everything. The lights were dim or absent, the concrete floor wet and muddy. It stank of demolition. Exposed wires hung from the ceiling. Chunks of concrete were obstacles to anyone but the operator of a Bobcat. Wilpon wanted to show the Mets’ clubhouse, now darkened and turned to rubble. But the menacing growl of an approaching Bobcat altered his route. Close by was the rear entrance to the ticket office. A large, ragged gash in a cinderblock wall made it appear that the Incredible Hulk had vented his frustrations over the work of Aaron Heilman. The old ticket office led, unencumbered by walls, to the stadium’s old main office entrance, and to where the elevator once moved with maddening slowness. It is gone. “The shaft makes an excellent garbage chute,” said Daryl Mattis, a project supervisor for Hunt-Bovis, the Mets’ construction partner. A Bobcat pulled up in what was once a corridor. Inside the tight cab sat J.W. Colucci, an operating engineer. How does it feel, he was asked, to be wrecking Shea? “Sometimes,” Colucci said, a smile on his dusty face, “it feels better than sex.” Wilpon added: “I’d love to drive a Bobcat, blasting through this place.” He confesses to a wee bit of nostalgia for the good times he and his family have had at Shea. But his priority is Citi Field. “You have to tear Shea down to get where you want to be,” he said, on the field where parking for 2,000 cars will be created. The stripping of Shea has revealed even more of Citi, its elegant brickwork, archways and entrance rotunda. Until the final game, fans had to look past the scoreboard and home run apple to see it, but the view to the nearly finished ballpark is now unobstructed. The letters of Citi Field light the night sky, so unlike the inert neon that colored the baseball characters on Shea’s outer wall. Soon, ramps created out of the stadium’s excavated concrete will let giant grapplers reach the upper deck’s exposed steel and pull it down. And Shea moves inexorably toward its end.

Zvon Oct 23 2008 08:34 PM

]Wilpon added: “I’d love to drive a Bobcat, blasting through this place.” What an asshole, lol.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 23 2008 08:38 PM

Sell the Team NOW!!!!!

bmfc1 Oct 23 2008 08:40 PM

Disgusting comment by Jeff Wilpon. It shows that he has no sensitivity for Mets history and the feelings of his fans. There should be games being played at Shea right now, not the destruction of a facility that is important to so many people.

AG/DC Oct 23 2008 08:42 PM

Oh, yeah, now you're wit' me.

Zvon Oct 23 2008 08:46 PM

He's building the stadium of his childhood to replace the stadium of my childhood. I really wish when Doubleday was ousted that it happened the other way around.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 23 2008 09:04 PM

Zvon wrote: He's building the stadium of his childhood to replace the stadium of my childhood. You know, I never thought of it that way, but you are exactly correct.

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2008 09:13 PM

I guess I'm the only one not bothered by those comments because I'd like to drive one of those little fuckers around knocking down shit too. Sounds like fun!

AG/DC Oct 23 2008 09:22 PM

I'm indifferent to that. The fans largely signed off on this. It's hard to deny him now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 23 2008 09:39 PM

Probably though, Jeffy said what he said in the spirit of "it's fun to destroy things" -- which it is -- and just isn't aware enough to how it might be interpreted. Where I find them morally lacking is in allowing/encouraging the fan to sign off on the replacement bandwagon by doing so little to fight the notion the place could be improved.

HahnSolo Oct 24 2008 06:02 AM

Since we're bashing Jeff, it reminds me about something he said in an interview on FAN earlier this week. The last question from Francesa went something like this: "What's your message to the Mets fan as you embark on the future, and the fan embarks on his offseason?" Now, the cliche answer he should give, even if it is cliche: "Omar, Jerry and the staff are going to do everything in their power to make sure we get over the hump next September, and bring playoff baseball back to Flushing." Instead, here's what we get: "Our goal is to create a world class experience for our fans at the new CitiField regardless of the outcome of the game." Then he added a throwaway comment about necessary changes to bring a championship. So, if you're scoring: priority 1 is bright shiny new toy stadium. priority 2 is winning games. Yup, this is our owner. Incidentally, the interview is still on the FAN site. Click on Mike Francesa Audio, then scroll down.

Valadius Oct 24 2008 06:05 AM

Here's who Jeff Wilpon reminds me of:

AG/DC Oct 24 2008 06:14 AM

You guys is insane.

Farmer Ted Oct 24 2008 06:34 AM

"The home run apple is being shined for its display outside the new stadium." Well, all the guys working in the chop shops can see the apple after a home run.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 24 2008 06:52 AM

I'm glad about that! One day I'll have my photo taken standing next to that apple. I think they should put it somewhere inside the stadium. Maybe not in the Jackie Robinson Cathedral, but somewhere. But it matters little. I'm just glad it's being preserved.

metirish Oct 24 2008 07:00 AM

Noted former Major Leaguer Fran Healy used to say that history was the albatross around the neck of progress . I'll cut Jeff some slack here as I imagine he is very excited about moving into new digs , I know I would be.

soupcan Oct 24 2008 07:12 AM

Farmer Ted wrote: "The home run apple is being shined for its display outside the new stadium." I'm finally conceding to the Apple. Whether I like it or not, its been a part of the Mets for what - almost 30 years now? I'm glad they are putting it on display outside the new place. Someone here said it already - it will be to Met fans what that big, stupid bat in the Bronx has been - a place to meet before the game - "meet me at the Apple" So, I'm cool. I do hope that the new Apple inside ShittyField (that was for Val) does not have a top-hat though.

soupcan Oct 24 2008 07:27 AM

In that NYTimes article that Greg posted - this picture accompanies with the caption: A photograph of the former Mets second baseman Doug Flynn. The face is obscured but- it is a player wearing #23. However, the uniform is from '93-'94 (the ugly tail under 'Mets' remember?) so it couldn't be Flynn whose last year with the Mets was '81. A quick trip to MBTN told me who it must be. I now know, do you...?

seawolf17 Oct 24 2008 07:51 AM

]Already 10,000 of 16,000 pairs of its seats have sold for $869 each. What happened to the other 20,000+ seats? ]The home run apple is being shined for its display outside the new stadium. "Outside?" Assholes. ]“They’re so high, and so close to Mr. Wilpon’s new baby.” ]“If it were me,” said Jeff Wilpon, the team’s chief operating officer, who wants Shea to be gone as soon as possible. “I’d just go in and bring them down.” I hate you, Jeff Wilpon. Hate you with the passion of a thousand fires. Go eff your millionaire self and your new baby.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 24 2008 09:41 AM

="soupcan"]In that NYTimes article that Greg posted - this picture accompanies with the caption: A photograph of the former Mets second baseman Doug Flynn. The face is obscured but- it is a player wearing #23. However, the uniform is from '93-'94 (the ugly tail under 'Mets' remember?) so it couldn't be Flynn whose last year with the Mets was '81. A quick trip to MBTN told me who it must be. I now know, do you...? Not looking it up.... Tim Bogar? Yeah? Shame tht the Times blew this so badly.

soupcan Oct 24 2008 10:04 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Not looking it up.... Tim Bogar? Yeah? Yup - Bogar. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Shame tht the Times blew this so badly. I know, right?

Farmer Ted Oct 24 2008 10:08 AM

MBTN neds to fire off a statement of correction to the Times. Of course, the Times won't note the correction.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 24 2008 10:14 AM

I guess they're not going to bother auctioning off a weather-beaten giant photograph of Tim Bogar.

seawolf17 Oct 24 2008 10:22 AM

Who the hell prints a giant picture of Tim Bogar? What on earth could that have been used for?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 24 2008 10:42 AM

Probably hanging somewhere in the stadium in 1994 or 1995.

AG/DC Oct 24 2008 10:43 AM

Well, they knew even then what a good Quality Assurance Coach he'd be for the champeen Devil Rays.

soupcan Oct 24 2008 10:55 AM

seawolf17 wrote: Who the hell prints a giant picture of Tim Bogar? What on earth could that have been used for? ...was the next thing that came to my mind.

Farmer Ted Oct 24 2008 11:58 AM

Guessing that was from his rookie year as he was a somewhat highly touted rookie. "Hey, let's make a sign/banner with our newest star!" It's certainly not one of the banners of Mets stars that adorned the Shea concourses. Maybe Pete Flynn hooked it up to the back of a tractor to smooth out the dirt on the warning track.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2008 11:31 AM

="soupcan"]In that NYTimes article that Greg posted - this picture accompanies with the caption: A photograph of the former Mets second baseman Doug Flynn. The face is obscured but- it is a player wearing #23. However, the uniform is from '93-'94 (the ugly tail under 'Mets' remember?) so it couldn't be Flynn whose last year with the Mets was '81. A quick trip to MBTN told me who it must be. I now know, do you...? Times editor sez: ]We have researched the photograph you asked about, but we have been unable to confirm your information about Tim Bogar. The Mets gave our photographer the information to identify that individual as Doug Flynn. That said, it's impossible for us to re-confirm the name of the player the picture because half of the face is obscured. It's also not clear whether the picture was taken of a player in an exact uniform from that year or involved some artistic license on the part of the team.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 29 2008 11:44 AM

I don't buy into the artistic license theory, but it's nice that they looked into it and got back to you. I like that they took the time to try to reconfirm the identity of a person pictured on filthy refuse.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 29 2008 12:01 PM

So the New York Times makes an obvious error, and can't be bothered to correct it? That speaks volumes. Makes you wonder what else they get wrong and don't care to correct.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 29 2008 12:31 PM

It looks to me like they did attempt to verify it, and ran into a dead end. I know that a lot of people are down on the Times, and not without reason, but I don't think they did anything wrong here. They went further than I would have thought for something so insignificant.

SteveJRogers Oct 29 2008 12:36 PM

Though it appears they did try to deflect blame and say that it was the Mets that gave them faulty info though.

Edgy DC Oct 29 2008 12:46 PM

I have little reason to doubt that the Mets misinformed them.

seawolf17 Oct 29 2008 05:41 PM

Someone swing down to Philly and tap Tim on the shoulder and ask if it's him.

soupcan Oct 29 2008 08:49 PM

Of course its Bogar. He was the only 23 they had when they wore those tails. What possible reason would the Mets have to create a giant picture of Doug Flynn in a 1992-93 version of the uniform when Flynn last played for them in 1981? Sometimes common sense should win out. It's cool that Lunchables contacted the the Grey Lady and that they responded though. I'll give them that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2008 08:56 PM

I mostly wrote to complement Sandomir for having superbly meshed descriptions of twin disasters: Shea's destruction and Jeff Wilpon's sensitivity.