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="metsguyinmichigan":pdyplny0]Omar can't be running him down if he hopes to trade him.[/quote:pdyplny0]
Yeah. He's gotta repair Jeff's damage as it is.
I think if there's a way to flip Castillo and bring in a replacement they will pursue it but it makes zero sense to telegraph it now.
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attgig
Nov 04 2008 02:24 PM
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there's little to no hope of trading him (even dbacks didn't want him for byrnes).
i think the idea is, don't chase after a 2b. if someone (like eckstein last season) ends up still wanting a cheap contract to play 2b come feb, we sign him.
or at least that's what I'd do.
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smg58
Nov 04 2008 06:07 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 04 2008 07:15 PM
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I think your only hope of trading him is to take someone else's luggage in return.
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Zvon
Nov 04 2008 06:18 PM
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If Omar sticks with Castillo and expects him to give us what we need from the position,
he is living in a fantasy world where all his moves somehow work out for the best.
IMO this was Minayas worst move since he has taken the reigns, and the sooner he sweeps this under the rug and moves on,
the better, and the sooner we can all forget it ever happened.
Castillos attitude bothers me more than his diminishing health and skills.
If he was gung ho in his effort to bring whatever he has left to the game I
might feel differently (as far as supporting him at 2nd--it's still Omars worst move).
Cripes, even you or I can stand up at the plate and swipe our bat at the ball and do as well hitting as he has done in recent times.
I don't care how Minaya goes about it.
I like the possibility of Murph at 2nd, and I think I'd rather see him there even if he fails. And I would really hope and pray and root for him not to.
When it comes to Castillo, I don't care.
I'd rather care.
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Edgy DC
Nov 05 2008 07:49 AM
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Attitude is one of those things that's distorted based on the stats. The issue with him is productivity.
I'm more interested in baseball needs than psychological needs. Sweeping things "under the rug" is a metaphor for denial, not closure.
I'm certain neither you nor I can outplay Castillo.
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duan
Nov 05 2008 10:39 AM
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BP said this in their 2007 book (ie the one before 2007 season) "Give Castillo this much--he`s remarkably consistent, putting up EqAs between .266 and .282 in each of the last five seasons. That said, the .266 mark came last year, and plenty of trends are headed downwards. Castillo has clearly lost a step or two, ankle and knee problems having worn away at this speed. He`s no longer a huge threat on the basepaths, and while he`s a dependable gloveman, his range is slipping as well. PECOTA thinks there`s more good stuff to come with the bat, but, with players such as Castillo, the line between being an offensive positive and being something less than that is exceedingly thin."
last years eqa .261
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Edgy DC
Nov 24 2008 08:34 AM
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Raffy Furcal claiming he has an offer on the table from the Mets to play second base, and another from the Athletics. The Oakland deal is supposedly at four years, $48 million. The Mets details aren't disclosed.
Furcal offensively has had a pretty similar career to Castillo's, and similarly is coming off some injuries (ankle and back) that could cut into the heart of his game even if they don't keep him off the field.
He got into only 36 games last year, but they were the best 36 of his career.
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 24 2008 08:41 AM
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I'm not sure that Furcal is the guy I want, but it's at least encouraging (if true) that they Mets are looking for alternatives to Castillo.
I'd be more pleased if this information was coming from a guy named Hudson instead of a guy named Furcal.
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Edgy DC
Nov 24 2008 08:49 AM
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I fear them making the same error twice.
At least the redundancy of having them both around might increase the likelihood of finding one player between them.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 24 2008 08:54 AM
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If Castillo isn't who we want I don't think its Furcal.
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smg58
Nov 24 2008 09:12 AM
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I wouldn't try to bet the A's offer given Furcal's health issues, but I'm encouraged that we're looking for alternatives.
I'd be curious to know what the Cubs want for Mike Fontenot. The Royals are dangling Mark Teahen, which should not be too hard of an offer to beat.
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RealityChuck
Nov 24 2008 09:15 AM
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Rule #1 about hot stove reports:
Never believe anything until the contract is signed.
Everyone is playing games. GMs are pretending they're not interested in players they really want (to keep prices down). They make statements that they really don't need anyone at a particular position (also to keep prices down). Players pretend that teams are making offers when they aren't (to get better offers). They pretend they're interested in playing for teams they wouldn't even want to play against, let alone for (the more offers, the more money they stand to make).
We only have Furcal's word that the Mets made an offer to him. He has every incentive to lie about that (if the Mets are offering, then the A's may up their offer).
All we should do about that rumors is say "That's interesting" and move on. They are not worth getting bothered by.
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Edgy DC
Nov 24 2008 09:20 AM
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I don't think anybody's gotten excited, or reported it as anything more than Furcal's word.
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 24 2008 09:34 AM
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I don't see any signs of excitement in this thread either.
But it IS always fun to be needlessly patronized.
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Vic Sage
Nov 24 2008 10:05 AM
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If true, this is pointless for the Mets. Furcal's value is as a SS. He's not worth as much as a 2bman, and not really much more than Castillo, who we are currently overpaying.
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 25 2008 12:52 PM
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The <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/25/SP0114B76S.DTL">San Francisco Chronicle</a> quoting Furcal's agent:
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duan
Nov 25 2008 05:03 PM
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="Vic Sage":2mpx20dr]If true, this is pointless for the Mets. Furcal's value is as a SS. He's not worth as much as a 2bman, and not really much more than Castillo, who we are currently overpaying.[/quote:2mpx20dr]
<table align="right" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" border="3" bgcolor="white" bordercolor="black"><tr><td width="100"><img src="http://www.kcmets.com/Pictures/jay_satan.jpg" width="100"><br><b>Jay Satan Post!
Agggh!</td></tr></table> take issue with that - our assumption is that shortstop is a weaker offensive position,
A OBP: .338, SLG: .408, OPS: .746
B OBP: .335, SLG: .441, OPS: .776
C OBP: .337, SLG: .432, OPS: .769
D OBP: .339, SLG: .410, OPS: .749
that's AL & NL SS's and 2b's jumbled up - you tell me which is which, and tell me then is an offensive plus at 2nd a bigger or smaller deal.
(hey i've given you the answer in the quesitons that i'm asking)
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Edgy DC
Nov 25 2008 07:49 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 25 2008 08:11 PM
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If shortstops as a group are out-hitting secondbasemen, they shouldn't be.
It suggests Managers shoUld be moRe intrePid about wHo they plaY at second.
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Nymr83
Nov 25 2008 08:03 PM
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| ="Edgy DC"]If shortstops as a group are out-hitting secondbasemen, they shouldn't be.
It suggests Managers shoUld be moRe intrePid about wHo they plaY at second. |
I agree that Murphy should play given the roster as it stands now.
But I don't think theres any reason that Shortstops shouldn't outhit Second Basemen in any given year, the two positions are right next to each other on the "defensive spectrum" right? (You'd expect a position on the easier side of the spectrum to outhit one on the harder side because it should be easier to slot a hitter into those positions.)
Since the two positions are next to each other I wouldn't necessarily expect 2B to outhit SS every year, and it could be (i havent looked) that while the mean is higher the median starter at SS vs. 2B isn't, it could be that Rodriguez and others at the top are weighing those stats alot.
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Gwreck
Nov 26 2008 12:18 AM
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2008:
Better 2B
PHI (Utley / Rollins)
CHC (DeRosa / Theriot)
COL (Barmes / Tulowitzki)
CIN (Phillips / Keppinger)
SF (Durham / Vizquel)
LA (Kent / Berroa+Furcal)
Pretty Close
ARZ (Hudson / Drew)
ATL (Johnson / Escobar)
STL (Kennedy / Izturis)
PIT (Sanchez / Wilson)
SD (Iguchi / Greene)
Better SS
FLA (Uggla / Ramirez)
NYM (Castillo / Reyes)
HOU (Matsui / Tejada)
MIL (Weeks / Hardy)
WAS (Lopez / Guzman)
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Nymr83
Nov 26 2008 12:28 AM
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The conclusion I'm drawing from that is that there is no reason to expect more offensive production out of either position, at least not in 2008.
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duan
Nov 26 2008 03:05 AM
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| ="Edgy DC"]If shortstops as a group are out-hitting secondbasemen, they shouldn't be.
It suggests Managers shoUld be moRe intrePid about wHo they plaY at second. |
I think this is very true.
One thing that IS worth pointing out though, is that the other perceived wisdom is that 2nd base is a position that is more prone guys getting banged up and that maybe that has an impact on their performance.
anyway, for me if Daniel Murphy can turn a double play neatly, I have him playing for us with the strike out/flyball pitchers (Santana & Maine) and have Castillo playing for Pelfrey and/or late inning situations.
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Edgy DC
Nov 26 2008 06:25 AM
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="Nymr83":2flrdrj9]The conclusion I'm drawing from that is that there is no reason to expect more offensive production out of either position, at least not in 2008.[/quote:2flrdrj9]
I agree you shouldn't expect more out of second. But I think you should demand more.
duan's proposal makes too much sense.
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