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Cy Young Award

Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 10:53 AM

Just saw this headline on MSNBC.com: Lincecum, Santana, Sabathia vie for NL Cy Young I first read that as "tie" and my heart skipped a beat.

Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 10:55 AM

That would be kind of awesome. Roger Ebert would have to be brought in.

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2008 11:05 AM

Votes to be released in about an hour. Ties, if they happen, will be left as ties. This should be the most interesting post-season award of this year as several guys will have one aspect of the argument or another in their favor. Webb - 20 wins is rare these days much less 22 Lincecum - Maybe the best overall year backed by the worst team Santana - Overall strong year weighed down by not great W/L record Sabathia - half-season of greatness Lidge - Super closer year on pennant winning team

Gwreck Nov 11 2008 11:29 AM

I will accept Lincecum winning over Santana (even if I disagree) but they're clearly 1-2. I would vote Lidge third, Webb fourth and Sabathia fifth.

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2008 12:02 PM

Lincecum wins

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2008 12:07 PM

Deserved it. Even though the Mets whupped his skinny ass pretty good the one tim they saw him.

metirish Nov 11 2008 12:10 PM

NEW YORK -- Tim Lincecum is the National League Cy Young Award winner, taking home pitching's highest honor in his second major league season. The slender kid with the whirling windup on Tuesday joined Mike McCormick (1967) as the only San Francisco Giants pitchers to win a Cy Young. Lincecum received 23 of 32 first-place votes and 137 points in balloting by the Baseball Writers' Association of America. Brandon Webb of the Arizona Diamondbacks got four first-place votes and finished second with 73 points

HahnSolo Nov 11 2008 12:15 PM

Santana finishing third I think is idiot voters simply looking at his win total. Did anyone see what Webb and Santana did down the stretch? Then tell me how Santana finishes behind him.

G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 12:25 PM

Santana is the first Met to receive any Cy Young votes since Wagner in 2006, first Met starter to receive any Cy Young votes since Leiter in 1998 and first Met starter to receive any first-place votes since Gooden in 1987 -- Doc got one that year; he was the last Mets starter before Johan to get more than one, in 1985 when he won the damn thing unanimously. And I thought we were known for our pitching. How will Johan sleep after not winning this award? Oh right, on a bed made of money.

Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 12:27 PM

Check out who paid good lettuce to sponsor Santana's page: http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/santajo02.shtml

Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 12:27 PM

G-Fafif wrote: Santana is the ... first Met starter to receive any first-place votes since Gooden in 1987. That's a little surprising. I would have thought Cone in 1988 might have gotten a few first place votes with his 20-3 record. Was Hershiser unanimous that year?

G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 12:28 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ="G-Fafif"]Santana is the ... first Met starter to receive any first-place votes since Gooden in 1987. That's a little surprising. I would have thought Cone in 1988 might have gotten a few first place votes with his 20-3 record. Was Hershiser unanimous that year? Yep. Our best starter years ran into that sort of thing. Gooden only pitched four months in '87, mind you, but that was the Steve Bedrosian season when no National League starter had it goin' on.

metirish Nov 11 2008 12:29 PM

Did Santana finish third? From Cot's Baseball contracts. ] 2014 club option becomes player option if Santana: wins Cy Young award from 2008-13 and finishes second or third in the Cy Young vote in one other season ranks second or third in Cy Young vote in any 3 seasons, 2008-13 is on the active roster for the final 30 days of 2013 season, and: pitches 215 innings in 2013, or pitches 420 innings in 2012-13, or pitches 630 innings in 2011-13

Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 12:30 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Check out who paid good lettuce to sponsor Santana's page: http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/santajo02.shtml We need to appoint somebody to keep an eye on Jimmy Rollins' page.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 12:32 PM

Jimmy's page frees up on February 12. I see a Mets fan has Chase Utley's page.

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2008 12:37 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 11 2008 12:43 PM

No problem with Lincecum winning it. Johan should have been 2nd but 9 voters left him out of the top 3. Player 1st 2nd 3rd Points Lincecum 23 7 1 137 Webb 4 15 8 73 Santana 4 8 11 55 Lidge 0 1 7 10 Sabathia 1 1 1 9 Dempster 0 0 4 55

Zvon Nov 11 2008 12:41 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Check out who paid good lettuce to sponsor Santana's page: http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/santajo02.shtml HaHa. All this shows me is that they are fools. Lincecum is no surprise.

G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 12:55 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Jimmy's page frees up on February 12. I see a Mets fan has Chase Utley's page. Utley's sponsor lacked prescience, but had good intentions.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 11 2008 02:12 PM

Zvon wrote: ="Edgy DC"]Check out who paid good lettuce to sponsor Santana's page: http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/santajo02.shtml HaHa. All this shows me is that they are fools. Lincecum is no surprise. Phillie bastards! I hat their fans far more than I do the team!

Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 02:16 PM

Well, considering some Mets mook pulled the same trick...

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2008 02:34 PM

Like you said in another thread, or maybe this one: Sportsmanship is dead and buried in this country. Douchebaggery reigns.

Gwreck Nov 11 2008 04:01 PM

That's some strange voting there. Even Lincecum didn't appear on all ballots.

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2008 05:41 PM

Adam Rubin fesses up to being one of the ones to leave Santana off his ballot, voting for Lincecum, Webb & Lidge Says that the four 1st place votes for Johan came from: Bill Center, San Diego Union-Tribune David Lennon, Newsday Kevin Modesti, Los Angeles Daily News Bob Nightengale, USA Today

G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 05:49 PM

Adam Rubin: Met-hatin' Met beat reporter big shot? Not that those other guys are too bad.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2008 06:38 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Adam Rubin fesses up to being one of the ones to leave Santana off his ballot, voting for Lincecum, Webb & Lidge Says that the four 1st place votes for Johan came from: Bill Center, San Diego Union-Tribune David Lennon, Newsday Kevin Modesti, Los Angeles Daily News Bob Nightengale, USA Today I don't know what the custom or professional etiquette is supposed to be among journalists, but if Rubin wasn't given permission to make this disclosure, was it nevertheless ethical?

Frayed Knot Nov 12 2008 07:29 AM

I assume that those others made their votes known and therefore Runbin is just commenting on public information. These votes, afaik, are private unless revealed by the voters themselves which most wind up doing seeing as how they're in the public info business. The alternative is that AR secretly obtained this info from the BBWAA secretary in charge of vote counting and opted to use his column to out the guys who voted for the local kid. Doesn't sound logical captain.