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="SteveJRogers":mio4z02w]Also Wright is getting tons of Jeter-Hate based on his good looks, squeaky clean image and the fact that he is plastered every where as a "face of MLB."[/quote:mio4z02w]
He is?
Is this something from Rogers World or are you for real.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 09:23 AM
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="Willets Point":22x1as5j]="SteveJRogers":22x1as5j]Also Wright is getting tons of Jeter-Hate based on his good looks, squeaky clean image and the fact that he is plastered every where as a "face of MLB."[/quote:22x1as5j]
He is?
Is this something from Rogers World or are you for real.[/quote:22x1as5j]
Wouldn't you hate Wright if he WASN'T a Met the way you hate Derek Jeter?
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 09:26 AM
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I don't hate Derek Jeter.
I don't like peeps over-rating his intangiblity, but even that's not an issue with tangible David Wright.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 09:27 AM
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Go to PhilaPhans.com or any Phillies (or Braves, Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Marlins, etc) site and you'll see posts showing anger over Wright's Gold Glove and Silver Slugger awards and joy when Wright (or any Met) doesn't pick up the NL MVP later this week.
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 09:33 AM
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I'd rather you go, and tell me about it. Take a lot of pictures.
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 17 2008 09:51 AM
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Don't encourage him to report to us what idiots are saying all over the Internet.
Because you know he will.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 09:55 AM
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| ="Benjamin Grimm"]Don't encourage him to report to us what idiots are saying all over the Internet.
Because you know he will. |
And by the same token Yankee fans consider US idiots because of our irrational hate for Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, etc.
Ditto Phillies fans considering US idiots because of our irrational (beyond the performance on the field) hate for Rollins, Howard, Utley, etc.
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 17 2008 09:58 AM
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Rollins is a big-mouth.
Does anyone hate Howard or Utley? I haven't sensed that.
And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 10:01 AM
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="Edgy DC":2h2w9ihq]I'd rather you go, and tell me about it. Take a lot of pictures.[/quote:2h2w9ihq]
What is it with you wanting me to offer proof? The fact that everyone here thinks Mariano Rivera is a murderous scum and that a Rose/Jeter/Ripken type of "bigger than the game" mega pop-culture star is a POS person whom we should root AGAINST David Wright becoming is enough to know that idiots exist in all fandom with equal amounts of irrational hatred.
To say nothing about Val rooting for a Yankee to not win an award or obtain a record, no matter how meaningless said award or record is.
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Frayed Knot
Nov 17 2008 10:01 AM
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Met hate is mostly leftover stuff from the mid-80s or it's about being anti-NYC. And, either way, the specific reasons given for up-to-date hate; Reyes dancing, Wright's image, etc. are generally nothing more than rationalizations after the fact rather than actual reasons. IOW, once folks decide they dislike something it's easy to find specifics to justify it.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 10:03 AM
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| ="Benjamin Grimm"]
And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. |
You have no further proof than CF/SK and other's "theories" that are asine based on the fact that they DON'T know what happened, they DON'T know what security is like in Panama, and they don't believe in blamming the kid for not checking to see if the fencing was off when he jumped in to get the rod.
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 10:03 AM
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Fucking Phillies, with their, um, big cars, and the, er, full pouty lips on their wives.
I fucking hate those guys.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 10:04 AM
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="Frayed Knot":3giahnqy]IOW, once folks decide they dislike something it's easy to find specifics to justify it.[/quote:3giahnqy]
Ditto with the Rivera hate on this board.
We hate the Yankees, Rivera was involved with a tragic accident on his property, MY GOD, RIVERA IS A MURDERER!
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 10:05 AM
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Steve, make up quotes by somebody else.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 10:06 AM
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You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror.
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 10:09 AM
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Don't fucking mirror me. If I wrote anything like that, let me know.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 10:11 AM
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| ="Benjamin Grimm"]
And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. |
Lets see:
1) The man is a man of God, and is essentially the Roberto Clemente of Panama. Very charitable and very much a pillar of that communtiy. Even if you disagree with his religious belief system, you have to at least admire that, and no it is not "SO HE PAINTS CHURCHES" it is about doing the work and not simply giving money to charity, it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work.
2) Other than aforementioned incident in which I've found only people on this board feel that he is culpable for, there has been not a single sliver of controversy attached to him in any sort of either wrong doing, or him being labeled a jerk during brushes of greatness. In other words, he is one of the good guys of the game.
Therefore, how is ANYONE's affection for him irrational?
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metirish
Nov 17 2008 10:22 AM
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it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. |
If I'm paying him $15 million a year I don't want him doing the work , is he like laying blocks , that could be dangerous , he could break a finger , mixing cement? , he could hurt his shoulder.
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Frayed Knot
Nov 17 2008 10:24 AM
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="SteveJRogers":368piq4i]="Frayed Knot":368piq4i]IOW, once folks decide they dislike something it's easy to find specifics to justify it.[/quote:368piq4i]
Ditto with the Rivera hate on this board.
We hate the Yankees, Rivera was involved with a tragic accident on his property, MY GOD, RIVERA IS A MURDERER![/quote:368piq4i]
You're embarrassing yourself again.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 10:25 AM
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="metirish"]| ]
it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. |
If I'm paying him $15 million a year I don't want him doing the work , is he like laying blocks , that could be dangerous , he could break a finger , mixing cement? , he could hurt his shoulder. |
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I was being metaphorical, obviously he isn't the one doing that kind of heavy lifting. Probably more in line with minister duties, making sure goods and foods are delievered, organizing, etc.
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 10:27 AM
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="SteveJRogers":7s915vro]You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror.[/quote:7s915vro]
And it wasn't me that asked.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 10:30 AM
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="Edgy DC":3mhnvlei]="SteveJRogers":3mhnvlei]You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror.[/quote:3mhnvlei]
And it wasn't me that asked.[/quote:3mhnvlei]
Fair enough.
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themetfairy
Nov 17 2008 10:31 AM
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="SteveJRogers"]| ="Benjamin Grimm"]
And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. |
You have no further proof than CF/SK and other's "theories" that are asine based on the fact that they DON'T know what happened, they DON'T know what security is like in Panama, and they don't believe in blamming the kid for not checking to see if the fencing was off when he jumped in to get the rod. |
Fine - YOU go for a swim in his pool then.
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metirish
Nov 17 2008 10:32 AM
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It was I that asked , blame the Irish if you must.
Actually I never expected this kind of response , seriously , no really I didn't.
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 10:35 AM
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Thanks, can you cop to making up quotes to generalize about the entire board when the only one using words like that was centerfield?
Can you cop to spinning the incident using nebulous terms like "was involved with"?
Will you admit to being wrong that nobody else anywhere has criticized him?
Can you get that mirror out of my face? I don't like it.
I think Manny Corpas may be more popular among Panamanians, but don't throw a mirror at me if I'm wrong.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 17 2008 10:40 AM
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omg
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Fman99
Nov 17 2008 10:45 AM
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="SteveJRogers"]| ="Benjamin Grimm"]
And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. |
Lets see:
1) The man is a man of God, and is essentially the Roberto Clemente of Panama. Very charitable and very much a pillar of that communtiy. Even if you disagree with his religious belief system, you have to at least admire that, and no it is not "SO HE PAINTS CHURCHES" it is about doing the work and not simply giving money to charity, it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work.
2) Other than aforementioned incident in which I've found only people on this board feel that he is culpable for, there has been not a single sliver of controversy attached to him in any sort of either wrong doing, or him being labeled a jerk during brushes of greatness. In other words, he is one of the good guys of the game.
Therefore, how is ANYONE's affection for him irrational? |
Wow, you sound like Dennis Hopper's character in "Apocalypse Now." Time to start cutting the pills in half Jeets.
I can hate Rivera - he wears a Yankee uniform. Duh. It's not rocket science or wizardry. Go play with your Giambi dolls.
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 10:46 AM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":yuzgwi48]omg[/quote:yuzgwi48]
Yeah, I know. Manny Corpas. What was I thinking?
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 10:48 AM
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| ]Thanks, can you cop to making up quotes to generalize about the entire board when the only one using words like that was centerfield? |
Fine, but most of this board feels the same way as CF does. As evidence to the infamous thread between me and SK a few years back in the RLF.
| ]Can you cop to spinning the incident using nebulous terms like "was involved with"? |
No, because that is the extent of his involvement in the incident. There really isn't a smoking gun.
| ]Will you admit to being wrong that nobody else anywhere has criticized him? |
Other than blovating Yankee hating forum members?
Seriously, try putting the theory on any rational board, even filled with Yankee haters, and you get looked like you wear a tin foil hat.
Look, the point is that people have irrational hate for teams and players, that is the bottom line answer to Irish's original question.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 10:49 AM
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="Fman99":3b129hmh]
I can hate Rivera - he wears a Yankee uniform.[/quote:3b129hmh]
I wasn't referring to "sports hate," I'm talking about hating on the human being that goes beyond the uniform.
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 17 2008 10:51 AM
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This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 10:55 AM
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="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]Fine, but most of this board feels the same way as CF does. As evidence to the infamous thread between me and SK a few years back in the RLF.[/quote:1lqkd4ig]
Nonsense. Is there something between saint and murderer? You don't know how "most of this board" feels.
="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]No, because that is the extent of his involvement in the incident. There really isn't a smoking gun.[/quote:1lqkd4ig]
He'd be in deeper water in the United States. Of that, I think even you are certain.
="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]Other than blovating Yankee hating forum members?[/quote:1lqkd4ig]
Please don't tempt me with any more name-calling. You're wrong.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 10:59 AM
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="Benjamin Grimm":2a4403r2]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:2a4403r2]
Me against all of you based on the fact that this group seems to be the only people who irrationally hate Mariano Rivera as a person, which I'm using as a point of people's irrational hate on sports teams and players?
Yeah it does seem like it.
Hell, I can't even find one person that agrees with CF's/SK's and other's theory on the former home of this forum, so what does that tell you?
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themetfairy
Nov 17 2008 11:02 AM
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="SteveJRogers":23qztokh]
Hell, I can't even find one person that agrees with CF's/SK's and other's theory on the former home of this forum, so what does that tell you?[/quote:23qztokh]
That nobody else around here is so obsessed that they want to go dig up ancient threads.
The issue, btw, goes back to the person who was electrocuted in Rivera's pool a few years back. CF and I were pretty appalled by the incident. Steve, apparently, finds it excusable.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 11:04 AM
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="Edgy DC":1wmnx6qa]He'd be in deeper water in the United States. Of that, I think even you are certain.
[/quote:1wmnx6qa]
Security concerns are quite different here than Panama, of that I think even you are certain.
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 11:05 AM
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Good. What's your point, Crane Pool insulting guy?
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 11:07 AM
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That people have irrational hate for teams and players based on a natural disposition to hate said team and players.
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metirish
Nov 17 2008 11:09 AM
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 11:10 AM
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Goodness, Steve. I challenged you to find one such statement from me. Stop with the sweeping generalizations. You're making 'em here. You're making 'em at sites that couldn't care less about us.
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seawolf17
Nov 17 2008 11:16 AM
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/throws some popcorn in the microwave
/sits back and watches train wreck
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 11:17 AM
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Glad I could help your day along.
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 11:25 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 17 2008 11:26 AM
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Steve tries to get support for his viewpoint at a Yankee forum --- while endorsing "hate" as long as it remains baseless --- and annoys them into closing the thread:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/archive/index ... 97459.html
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Willets Point
Nov 17 2008 11:25 AM
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="Benjamin Grimm":10a3hs2z]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:10a3hs2z]
I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 11:32 AM
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="Willets Point":37j7vkjm]="Benjamin Grimm":37j7vkjm]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:37j7vkjm]
I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking.[/quote:37j7vkjm]
Who is on covers of MLB games? Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB?
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seawolf17
Nov 17 2008 11:34 AM
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="SteveJRogers"]="Willets Point"]| ="Benjamin Grimm"]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it? |
I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking. |
Who is on covers of MLB games? Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? |
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Willets Point
Nov 17 2008 11:38 AM
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| ="SteveJRogers"]Who is on covers of MLB games? |
A Phillie.
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Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? |
That would make him the face of the Mets not MLB.
Here in Boston, I'd wager most baseball fans wouldn't know who David Wright is whereas they'd be familiar with Albert Pujols or Ryan Howard or even other Mets like Delgado & Beltran. Wright is a great player but hasn't gained national attention by winning an MVP or some type of batting title or appearing in a lot of postseason games. I doubt people around the nation are gnashing their teeth about how much overexposure that Wright guy gets
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SteveJRogers
Nov 17 2008 12:03 PM
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Okay fine, I'll ammend the argument to suggest that he WILL be attaining the heights of the Rose/Ripken/Jeter level of hate because his image is everywhere.
And don't for a second think it won't.
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 12:07 PM
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And then people will hate justifiably. Got it.
The silly thing is, Steve, irish's position and yours seem to be similar. If you weren't so fast to choose his as a leaping off point to push your agenda against the rest of us, you'd see that.
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metirish
Nov 17 2008 12:29 PM
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How is my position similar to Steve's?,
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 12:31 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2008 07:27 PM
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Well, you seem to imply that there's an unfortuate amount of hatred flying around.
Where Steve breaks from you with his his apparent belief that everybody's exercising it but him.
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metirish
Nov 17 2008 12:33 PM
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Jeez thanks , lump me in with Rogers.
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Edgy DC
Nov 17 2008 12:42 PM
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Not at all.
It would be an unattractive lump.
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Centerfield
Nov 17 2008 01:46 PM
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I called Mariano Rivera a murderer. You may direct all correspondence on that subject to me.
Thanks.
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metsmarathon
Nov 17 2008 06:25 PM
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wait... who hates cal ripken?
i mean, fine, the holiday inn commercials are insufferable and all, but that aside, does anybody really hate him?
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Willets Point
Nov 17 2008 06:27 PM
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| ="metsmarathon"]wait... who hates cal ripken?
i mean, fine, the holiday inn commercials are insufferable and all, but that aside, does anybody really hate him? |
Millions of people hate Cal Ripken. Rogers has lists of all their names!
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cooby
Nov 17 2008 07:37 PM
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Hey. What does blovating mean?
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Fman99
Nov 17 2008 07:42 PM
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="cooby":1yvq0p7i]Hey. What does blovating mean?[/quote:1yvq0p7i]
I don't know. But there is a 100% chance I work it into my CPF song parody challenge play-in game.
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cooby
Nov 17 2008 07:47 PM
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Fman, if you do, I promise to vote for you
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HahnSolo
Nov 17 2008 08:04 PM
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="Edgy DC":3dmxgmap]Steve tries to get support for his viewpoint at a Yankee forum --- while endorsing "hate" as long as it remains baseless --- and annoys them into closing the thread:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/archive/index ... 97459.html[/quote:3dmxgmap]
He's an equal opportunity annoyer.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 17 2008 08:40 PM
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Jeezziz.
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Valadius
Nov 17 2008 08:56 PM
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Steve, I don't like the fact that you bad-mouthed me on another board.
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Nymr83
Nov 17 2008 09:12 PM
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wow board-drama. and steve can't even keep it on the board.
hey steve, if this place is so bad that you have to complain about it elsewhere, why are you still here?
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metsguyinmichigan
Nov 17 2008 09:29 PM
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Damn, stuck in a school board meeting all day and I missed this.
1) I hate Derek Jeter. He's Mr. Yankee
2) I like David Wright. A lot. He's Mr. Met, at least the non-costumed one.
3) Mariano Rivera is a soul-less cyborg with a dangerous pool.
4) Steve needs to keeps his beefs about the 'Pool family within the 'Pool family.
All caught up.
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metsmarathon
Nov 18 2008 07:37 AM
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i so wish i had seen this thread earlier yesterday...
i still haven't gotten an answer on what evidence there is showing cal ripken's hatedness.
and i still don't know how david wright parallels derek jeter.
i also would think that the whole point of this thread, initially, was to point out what i would call special hate, not just the generic 'waah i hate XXX 'cos they're our rival and they suck and blah blah blah, and i hate YYY cos he's their best player and he sucks too!'
the instances stevie seems to be pulling out about fans of other teams whining over wrights accomplishments and cheering his misaccomplishments seems more like hating on, than hating. "david wright doesn't deserve to win the mvp because YYY was a muuch better player and he didnt come through when they needed him anyways" isn't hating, its hating on, or deliberately (and perhaps intellectually dishonestly) minimizing his accomplishments and value.
and of course, using sound logic and reasoning in a fact-based argument against the gross overrating of a player, well, that's not hating. that's called analyzing derek jeter.
and he does a terrifically poor job of relaying the conversations of this board to other boards. i mean, jeez!
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 18 2008 07:51 AM
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="metsmarathon":3by8ybm2]and he does a terrifically poor job of relaying the conversations of this board to other boards. i mean, jeez![/quote:3by8ybm2]
Is that at all surprising?
It's amazing how tenaciously he's held on to this issue, even going to other boards to try to get validation for his point of view. It's appropriate that his link back to us contained the phrase "getalifealready"
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Centerfield
Nov 18 2008 07:56 AM
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For the record, I have no problem with him talking badly about us on other boards. In fact, I wish he would post on those other boards more often. Like all the time.
Steve, don't go away mad...
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themetfairy
Nov 18 2008 08:47 AM
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There was also the great leap of logic (if you can call it that) that Steve made. He asked, "How can you not like Mario Rivera?" I answered that I found the electrified pool to be a reason not to like him. He then extrapolated that I was blinded by irrational hatred, and posted about my obsessiveness all over the Internet.
Yeah, I was the obsessed one here....
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G-Fafif
Nov 18 2008 09:10 AM
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I have to confess I barely remember the Mariano Rivera pool story and don't remember, at all, the conversation here about it.
That said, fuck Mariano Rivera and fuck the Yankees. I mean, geez...
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soupcan
Nov 18 2008 09:19 AM
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I didn't get much of a chance to get here yesterday and read most of this thread on my BlackBerry on the train home.
"It's gold Jerry, pure gold!"
Seriously, I was cracking up all the way home.
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Edgy DC
Nov 18 2008 10:03 AM
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I keep Metro North moving.
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Kong76
Nov 18 2008 07:21 PM
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SJR: I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror <===
EDC: Don't fucking mirror me. <===
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