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Fman99
Dec 16 2008 07:52 AM

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3772663:2m21u055]ESPN reporting[/url:2m21u055] that Rafael Furcal close to a deal to go back to Atlanta.

OlerudOwned
Dec 16 2008 07:54 AM

I hope they give up Escobar in a bad trade after this.

metirish
Dec 16 2008 07:54 AM

Didn't he leave there on bad terms?

Frayed Knot
Dec 16 2008 10:15 AM

I don't know that it was bad terms, more like 'we don't want to pay you' terms.

So they then go out and actually get a decent replacement for him and NOW they are willing to pay him?
Seems kind of odd timing to me. And now, either Escobar and/or Kelly Johnson would need to go. Meanwhile their OF is a bit of a mess.

OlerudOwned
Dec 16 2008 11:00 AM

="Frayed Knot":2d9mt6z4]I don't know that it was bad terms, more like 'we don't want to pay you' terms. So they then go out and actually get a decent replacement for him and NOW they are willing to pay him? Seems kind of odd timing to me. And now, either Escobar and/or Kelly Johnson would need to go. Meanwhile their OF is a bit of a mess.[/quote:2d9mt6z4]
Kelly Johnson apparently moving back to left field. I don't feel like looking for the article that mentioned it, but it makes plenty of sense.

Frayed Knot
Dec 16 2008 12:42 PM

I thought of that but didn't know they were willing to move him again.
He originally came up as a SS prospect (so does half the world) they then moved him to the OF before shifting him to 2B.

The downside to that is an offense that shines at 2B may only be mediocre (or worse) for LF.
See also Murphy, Daniel

Frayed Knot
Dec 17 2008 07:24 AM

btw, Furball to Atlanta is NOT a done deal yet and apparently the Trolley Dodgers are back in the picture.

Valadius
Dec 17 2008 08:49 AM

Can you say Yorvit Torrealba?

metirish
Dec 17 2008 07:37 PM

="Frayed Knot":3sihlixe]btw, Furball to Atlanta is NOT a done deal yet and apparently the Trolley Dodgers are back in the picture.[/quote:3sihlixe]


reports have Furcal accepting a three year $33 million offer form the Dodgers.Braves are not happy as they feel they had an agreement with Furcal.

Rockin' Doc
Dec 17 2008 07:41 PM

The Braves apparently haven't learned that if the deal isn't signed, then all you have are the empty promises of a player and his agent.

Fman99
Dec 17 2008 07:43 PM

Good. I much prefer him in another division.

Frayed Knot
Dec 18 2008 06:27 AM

="Rockin' Doc":ecimyflq]The Braves apparently haven't learned that if the deal isn't signed, then all you have are the empty promises of a player and his agent.[/quote:ecimyflq]

Oral agreements aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Farmer Ted
Dec 18 2008 02:56 PM

Braves to Tellum, "Fuck you."

Braves general manager Frank Wren said today the Braves have notified the baseball agency that represents Rafael Furcal that they intend never to do business with them again.

The Braves thought they had a deal earlier this week to bring the star shortstop back to Atlanta, where he began his career, before Furcal decided to stay with the Dodgers for virtually the same terms. Wren said that Braves president John Schuerholz called Arn Tellem, who heads the baseball division of the Wasserman Media Group, to inform Tellem that the Braves will no longer enter into negotiations with them regarding baseball clients.

"We don't have any intention of doing business with them, and they've been notified of that,'' Wren told SI.com this afternoon.

Reminded that Tellem's group of agents -- which includes well-established veterans such as Tom Reich, Adam Katz and Paul Kinzer -- is one of the biggest in baseball and represents many star players (including Francisco Rodriguez, Carlos Lee, Aramis Ramirez, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi and many more players), Wren responded, "When you can't trust who you're doing business with, you can't do business with them. It's plain and simple.''

Tellem didn't immediately return SI.com's phone call seeking comment.

The Furcal negotiations were anything but simple, and ended with Furcal returning to the Dodgers for basically the same $30-million, three-year deal the Braves believe he'd agreed to with them.

As Wren tells it, he and Kinzer, Furcal's main rep, negotiated the terms over several calls Monday night, and after Kinzer told Wren that if he raised the base a little, they'd be able to make a deal, Wren did just that. Kinzer then told him "I think we're good,'' but still explained he had to take it to Furcal.

Sometime later, there was a message on Wren's voicemail with Kinzer saying, "We're good. Raffy's excited. Send me the term sheet.''

Wren sent the sheet. But Furcal never signed it, and according to Wren, Kinzer started "backpedaling.'' Pretty soon, Furcal's agency was talking to the Dodgers and within a day agreed to virtually the same deal with L.A.: $30 million over three years with a vesting option for a fourth year based on Furcal's health. In L.A.'s deal, Furcal needs 600 at-bats in 2011 for the fourth year to vest; Atlanta's deal was slightly better for Furcal, stipulating that he needed only 130 games to have it vest.

It's a little bit of a mystery why Furcal would rather go to L.A. after he was said to be excited to return to his roots in Atlanta. But Wren can't believe it's because they told Furcal they were envisioning him at second base instead of shortstop. Wren said they told Furcal that three weeks earlier, and that Furcal raised no objection and in fact seemed enthused about the prospect.

So where does this leave Wren and the Braves? They are looking for a pitcher and an outfielder after making an exception with Furcal, a player they loved. And as he concedes, they're out of luck on this deal. But they won't let this happen again.

"There's nothing enforceable,'' Wren said. "We just took his word. That doesn't count for much.''

Nymr83
Dec 18 2008 03:02 PM

lets see if the Braves really mean it.

Centerfield
Dec 18 2008 03:03 PM

You'd have to think it was Furcal who backed out, since he's the one making the call.

If that's the case, it's seems dumb to hold the agent responsible. Wah wah. Get it in writing morons.

Centerfield
Dec 18 2008 03:04 PM

="Nymr83":1fipctoh]lets see if the Braves really mean it.[/quote:1fipctoh]

They'll mean it until Tellem represent a player that they really really want.

TransMonk
Dec 18 2008 03:13 PM

="Centerfield":2ii6qq0s]They'll mean it until Tellem represent a player that they really really want.[/quote:2ii6qq0s]

The Spice Girlishness of this comment overwhelmed me for a second.