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="soupcan":3tqpn1pv]Teixera to the Yankees according to Heyman on WFAN...[/quote:3tqpn1pv]
NYT reporting it too......wankers<br><br><br><I>(Merged from Tex a yank, 12/23/2008</i>)
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Benjamin Grimm
Dec 23 2008 01:27 PM
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Eight years, $180 million.<br><br><br><I>(Merged from Tex a yank, 12/23/2008</i>)
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metsguyinmichigan
Dec 23 2008 01:33 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 23 2008 01:37 PM
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AP reporting that "people close to the situation" say he's signing with the Yankees.
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metirish
Dec 23 2008 01:34 PM
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It's all over the internet , 8 years $180 million they say.He better hope for his sake Rivera likes him.
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A Boy Named Seo
Dec 23 2008 01:36 PM
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Wow. Now they just need to add Lowe, Sheets, Dunn, Fuentes, and trade for Jake Peavy and they can call it an offseason.<br><br><br><I>(Merged from Tex a yank, 12/23/2008</i>)
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Benjamin Grimm
Dec 23 2008 01:38 PM
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And I hope he likes the smell of cinnamon.
And that he knows not to accept any pool party invitations.
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attgig
Dec 23 2008 01:39 PM
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blah...
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metsmarathon
Dec 23 2008 01:40 PM
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here, too, poop.
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Benjamin Grimm
Dec 23 2008 01:41 PM
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It's just insane how they're acquiring players this winter.
I really hope that THIS will become the Worst Team Money Could Buy.
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metsguyinmichigan
Dec 23 2008 01:42 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":hw308f29]And I hope he likes the smell of cinnamon.
And that he knows not to accept any pool party invitations.[/quote:hw308f29]
You people are getting me in trouble at work for laughing out loud and not being able to explain why...
"Well, you, see Bob Klapisch says the Yankees closer farts cinnamon, well not really, but he must think that......Oh, and he has a electric pool that kills people. Anyway, ....
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seawolf17
Dec 23 2008 01:43 PM
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Ha! I can't wait for them to collapse this season.
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metirish
Dec 23 2008 01:43 PM
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Even by their obscene standards this is one hell of a trifecta they have signed in one week.
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Centerfield
Dec 23 2008 01:46 PM
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For the first time in a long time I am actually jealous of the MFY's. Texiera is a great player about to enter his prime.
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metsguyinmichigan
Dec 23 2008 01:47 PM
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Now, in the all about us category. Does this mean the BoSkanks (as my buddy calls the Red Sox) use that money to lock up Lowe? Does taking the Yanks out of the Lowe picture help us? Are they even out of the Lowe picture?
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Benjamin Grimm
Dec 23 2008 01:48 PM
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I think us Yankee haters are going to pay dearly for the enjoyment we got out of the Yankees missing the playoffs in 2008.
Of course, if they miss out again in 2009, it will be all the sweeter.
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metirish
Dec 23 2008 01:59 PM
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Apparently a crazy days of talks, the Nationals and Red Sox looked the likely landing spot all day with some reports saying the Red Sox had won the day then the yankees got involved and that was that .
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TransMonk
Dec 23 2008 02:00 PM
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FWIW, I'm glad he won't be playing in Washington.
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Centerfield
Dec 23 2008 02:00 PM
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So when do the MFY's announce the signing of Manny?
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seawolf17
Dec 23 2008 02:10 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":3sh8z3bk]I think us Yankee haters are going to pay dearly for the enjoyment we got out of the Yankees missing the playoffs in 2008.
Of course, if they miss out again in 2009, it will be all the sweeter.[/quote:3sh8z3bk]
So, so true. On both counts. But if anyone knows about "winning in December," it's Mets fans. They can have all the headlines they want right now.
="TransMonk":3sh8z3bk]FWIW, I'm glad he won't be playing in Washington.[/quote:3sh8z3bk]
Me too. Glad not to see him 19 times a year. I was worried about that.
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Edgy DC
Dec 23 2008 02:19 PM
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I'm going to fall in the category of "they're overpaying." They came up with a long-term solution to a short-term problem and I hope his deal will work out about as well as the Giambi one.
I think his price-tag is dispropotionately tilted due to the post-trade muscle-ups he's been doing the last two years.
<table border="1" bordercolor="black" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0"><tr bgcolor="#006666"><td align="center"><b>Year</td><td align="center"><b>Period</td><td align="center"><b>AVG</td><td align="center"><b>OBP</td><td align="center"><b>SLG</td><td align="center"><b>OPS</td><td align="center"><b>OPS+</td></tr><tr><td align="center" rowspan="2">2007</td><td align="center">Before Trade</td><td align="right">.297</td><td align="right">.397</td><td align="right">.524</td><td align="right">.921</td><td align="center">141</td></tr><tr><td align="center">After Trade</td><td align="right">.317</td><td align="right">.404</td><td align="right">.615</td><td align="right">1.019</td><td align="center">163</td></tr><tr><td align="center" rowspan="2">2008</td><td align="center">Before Trade</td><td align="right">.283</td><td align="right">.390</td><td align="right">.512</td><td align="right">.902</td><td align="center">136</td></tr><tr><td align="center">After Trade</td><td align="right">.358</td><td align="right">.449</td><td align="right">.632</td><td align="right">1.081</td><td align="center">180</td></tr></table>
Yeah, I know. He looks pretty sexy before the trade too. But nothing lasts forever but the immense time.
Let's see him hit a gyroball.
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Frayed Knot
Dec 23 2008 02:28 PM
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Moves like this always pose a dilemma for MFY fans.
The string of non-championship seasons have ignited a call for the return to home-grown and role players [repeat after me: like Tino, Brosius, & O'Neill] and an end to the "mercenaries" who can't win [ARod, Mussina, Giambi, Unit, etc].
Such logic is, of course, bullshit, seeing as how it requires one to wait and see how the player's NYY term works out before deciding whether said player was one of those great pickups who qualifies as a "true Yanqui" or an overpaid import who sucks and can't handle New York. So it'll fun to see how they hate/love this move (along with Sabathia, Burnett) all at once.
Nice player, though a lot of money and years for a one-time All-Star who has once finished in the top 10 for MVP voting.
I guess it means Swisher goes to CF (where he's not very good) or gets moved in a quick turn-around trade.
The other guy this screws is Manny. It takes away the one big-money spot he was hoping could up the bidding and Boston is already out of the equation.
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metsguyinmichigan
Dec 23 2008 02:36 PM
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They've spent nearly a half-billion dollars this off-season.
This might be the best of their three moves. Burnett is a huge injury risk, and I just don't think Sabbathia is gonna work out over the long haul.
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smg58
Dec 23 2008 02:46 PM
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I think we should all move to the Bronx. The economy appears to be really, really good over there.
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Centerfield
Dec 23 2008 04:02 PM
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That chart doesn't make me feel better at all.
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Ashie62
Dec 23 2008 04:02 PM
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The MFY'S sign Teixeira while The Wilpons sit on their ass
I'm beginning to think The whole Citi/Madoff Debits Field mess in affecting the pursuits of FA's..even a "cheap" starting pitcher. Randy Wolf is the only name I saw mentioned 3yrs-30M
Never easy being a Mets fan
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Farmer Ted
Dec 23 2008 04:04 PM
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I hope Santa kicks Tex in the cunt.
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Ashie62
Dec 23 2008 04:04 PM
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="Farmer Ted":1owm5s1e]I hope Santa kicks Tex in the cunt.[/quote:1owm5s1e]
I hope Santa kicks Omar in the Cunt
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Edgy DC
Dec 23 2008 05:05 PM
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This isn't about us.
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seawolf17
Dec 23 2008 05:12 PM
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="Edgy DC":3hea533s]This isn't about us.[/quote:3hea533s]
Exactly. We didn't have a dog in this fight. I was more disappointed with Swisher going to the Bronx, because I thought he could have helped us.
Get me Adam Dunn, Ollie, and Lowe, Omar.
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metirish
Dec 23 2008 05:12 PM
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I think Hank stole $400 million from Fred.
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seawolf17
Dec 23 2008 05:15 PM
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Not necessarily -- this was Giambi/Mussina/Pavano money. They pulled a lot off the books this off-season, so they had money to play with.
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Fman99
Dec 23 2008 05:39 PM
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Apparently Christmas is the season for cuntkicking.
I have a big jealous chubby. I wish we would sign an impact bat. It's a bad deal but they print their own cash over there anyway.
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Fman99
Dec 23 2008 05:40 PM
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="smg58":39swv4no]I think we should all move to the Bronx. The economy appears to be really, really good over there.[/quote:39swv4no]
Couldn't I just punch myself in the face and eat my own shit instead?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 23 2008 06:02 PM
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F the MFYs and F Texiera. I hope he has every bit as distinguished a tenure there as Giambi did, speaking of mercenary cunts I don't like.
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Willets Point
Dec 23 2008 06:11 PM
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I suppose this means the Yankees will be hoisting the World Series trophy for the 27th time this coming October. Sigh.
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Kong76
Dec 23 2008 07:32 PM
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EDC: This isn't about us <<<
Yeah, I won't even yupİ it.
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Kong76
Dec 23 2008 07:45 PM
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I'll add that I'm against nearly decade long deals for anyone or anything.
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Rockin' Doc
Dec 23 2008 08:09 PM
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A lot can happen in eight years. In the short term, it should be a great signing for the Yankmes. In the long term, I'm hoping this deal eventually becomes a millstone that drags down the dark empire for many years.
I think the Mets should have Snachez hail Teixeira a cab when he comes to town for the contract announcement.
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metirish
Dec 24 2008 04:28 AM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2gy0nvub]F the MFYs and F Texiera. I hope he has every bit as distinguished a tenure there as Giambi did, speaking of mercenary cunts I don't like.[/quote:2gy0nvub]
Noting to add really except a big fuck yeah.
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MFS62
Dec 24 2008 05:42 AM
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Wht couldn't the Steinbrenners have invested all their money with Bernie Madoff?
:ater
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Frayed Knot
Dec 24 2008 06:43 AM
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="Rockin' Doc":2dvdkd97]A lot can happen in eight years. In the short term, it should be a great signing for the Yankmes. In the long term, I'm hoping this deal eventually becomes a millstone that drags down the dark empire for many years.[/quote:2dvdkd97]
That's the danger in long-term deals for ... well, anyone, but 1st basemen in particular; except for DH there's nowhere for them to go once they start aging and if the bat starts to wane they're suddenly not very valuable.
And now that I think about it, have there been any 1B/DH types in their late 30s towards the end of a long-term deal who were NOT overpaid?
I keep coming up with names like: Mo Vaughn - Greg Vaughn - Todd Helton - Jason Giambi - Jim Thome - Richie Sexson and not a whole lot of the other kind.
That Teixeira is a great fielder gives him a bigger margin for error than Giambi (although he's not much more mobile) but at least JG was coming off an MVP season (should have been two) something Teixeira's yet to even near. But Giambi's fatness and steroid use aside, Todd Helton's probably the best comp here: a terrific hitter/fielder in his prime signed to a lengthy deal (11 yrs in Helton's case) who, while still useful as the end nears, has lost his power and is totally unmovable due to the contract.
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metirish
Dec 24 2008 07:08 AM
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WOW , had totally forgotten about Greg Vaughn. I think with Helton the fans there are a lot more forgiving with him being a lifer in that organization and a general great guy , he's basically Sean Casey now days.
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seawolf17
Dec 24 2008 07:19 AM
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Greg Vaughn was an OF, not a 1B, but same deal. He became worthless defensively.
I remember my nephew -- now 12 -- being confused as a kid and calling them both "Gregmo Vaughn."
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Edgy DC
Dec 24 2008 07:37 AM
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See, the Athletics have this theory of "Get guys who can hit and who can walk, and we'll find positions for them."
The Yankees seem to have a corrupted version of that thinking though. That works at one level when you're populating the lineup with 21-22 year olds who may not be as gifted with the glove, but still have their youthful suppleness, their foot quickness, their healthy knees, their lean frames.
Before this gets too homoerotic, I mean to say it's another thing entirely when you're gobbling these guys up six, seven, eight years into their careers, and they're drifting already towards the right side of the defensive spectrum. They've got a bunch of Xavier Nadys and nowhere to play them. Even if Teixiera doesn't deteriorate, he contributes to the logjam of everybody who does.
I'd consider moving him back to third, Rodriguez to short, and Jeter to second. Then I'd dye my hair and move to Belgium.
They can always keep bringing left field in, I suppose.
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DocTee
Dec 24 2008 09:11 AM
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8 years is a long time. For comparison's sake, look at who was on the Opening Day lineups for 1B men in 2000 and see how many of them you'd want starting this April. That's what the 2017 MFY are looking at.
Great deal short-term, harder to justify long-term
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Edgy DC
Dec 24 2008 09:18 AM
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You're point is strong, but that would be the 2002 starting lineups, wouldn't it?
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DocTee
Dec 24 2008 09:22 AM
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Stoopid arithmetic
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Edgy DC
Dec 24 2008 09:28 AM
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I'll do the NL East:
Atlanta: BJ Surhoff
Florida: Derrek Lee
Montreal: Lee Stevens
Philadelphia: Travis Lee
New York: Mo Vaughn
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DocTee
Dec 24 2008 09:37 AM
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AL East:
Baltimore: Jeff Conine
Boston: Tony Clark
Tampa: Steve Cox
Toronto: Carlos Delgado
MFY: Jason Giambi
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TransMonk
Dec 24 2008 09:47 AM
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NL Central:
St. Louis: Tino Martinez
Houston: Jeff Bagwell
Cincy: Sean Casey
Pittsburgh: Kevin Young
Chicago: Fred McGriff
Milwaukee: Richie Sexson
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DocTee
Dec 24 2008 09:52 AM
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NL West:
Dodgers: Eric Karros
Giants: JT Snow
Rockies: Todd Helton
Padres: Phil Nevin
Diamondbacks: Mark Grace
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DocTee
Dec 24 2008 10:01 AM
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AL West:
Oakland: Carlos Pena
Seattle: John Olerud
Texas: Rafael Palmeiro
LAA: Benji Gil
AL Central:
Chicago: Paul Konerko
Cleveland: Jim Thome
Detroit: Dmitri Young
Kansas City: Mike Sweeney
Minnesota: Doug Mientkiewicz
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Benjamin Grimm
Dec 24 2008 10:06 AM
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I'm not sure what this proves.
Some of those first basemen might have been 35 years old and may have been a good choice for that particular season. It doesn't mean their team was planning on keeping them for eight years.
If anything, we should see which of those guys was 29 (or younger) in 2002 and then see how viable they still are eight years later.
(And anyway, if we're talking eight years shouldn't we be looking at 2001?)
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DocTee
Dec 24 2008 10:08 AM
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That's thirty teams. Six guys (Delgado, Thome, Konerko, Derrek Lee, Pena, and Helton) who may start.
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Nymr83
Dec 24 2008 10:30 AM
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Ben Grimm is right, but i'd look at more than just 2002 if we're narrowing the field to just 29 year olds. i would look at guys who were 28-30 and use a range like 1997-2001 then look 8 years forward on each guy
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Frayed Knot
Dec 24 2008 10:30 AM
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Yanx without real positions this year.
Damon - Probably will play LF cuz he can no longer play the position he was hired for (CF). Contract up after the year.
Matsui - Pushed to DH/bench by Damon being pushed to LF. Contract up after the year.
Swisher - Lost position before he really had one. Maybe he's the CF (although he's not really very good there) or a still-young semi-expensive utility man under contract for at least two more years.
Cabrera - If Swisher plays, he doesn't. And he doesn't hit enough to DH.
Then there's the question about whether Posada can still catch and, if so, how often.
And it also leaves no room to move Jeter - not that they were going to do that anyway.
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DocTee
Dec 24 2008 10:36 AM
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| ]I'm not sure what this proves. |
It proves that I would rather do anything other than finish grading papers on Christmas Eve. duh.
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metirish
Dec 24 2008 10:38 AM
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Also what happens to Posada and first base , I guess they are stuck with him as a full time catcher.
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duan
Dec 24 2008 12:10 PM
core talent wise
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If you asked me to compare the following for their value over the next 3/4 years (when contracts start running out on either side!)
Alex Rodriguez v David Wright. Even
Derek Jeter v Jose Reyes. Reyes
Mark Texiera v Carlos Beltran Even
CC Sabathia v Johan Santana Even
The 4 yankees have the highest contracts in baseball. We're doing ok in the big ticket areas, we just have to be sure our spoorting cast is better.
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seawolf17
Dec 24 2008 12:37 PM
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Would you trade our four for their four, right now, for 2009? I wouldn't.
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metirish
Dec 24 2008 12:39 PM
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Not a chance I would do that.
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Nymr83
Dec 24 2008 12:54 PM
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| ]we just have to be sure our spoorting cast is better. |
we need to "be sure" our roster is better than Philadelphia's, Atlanta's, etc. not the New York Yankees' roster.
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metsguyinmichigan
Dec 24 2008 01:03 PM
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I would even say I'd take Santana over Sabbathia rather than call that one even!
That would give us two -- and without the Jeter stench!
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Edgy DC
Dec 24 2008 01:39 PM
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So, Nady's the one with a guaranteed job?
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Frayed Knot
Dec 24 2008 02:18 PM
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Yanx lineup:
- 1B: Highest paid 1st baseman, both currently and in the history of the game
- 2B: 2nd highest paid active player (behind Utley) at the position
- SS: Highest paid at the position in the history of the game
- 3B: highest paid player [u:1kg25lk9]of any kind[/u:1kg25lk9] in the history of the game
- C: Highest paid at the position in the history of the game
- SP: Highest paid starter in the history of the game
- RP: Highest paid reliever in the history of the game
- The 4 largest contracts (total value) in the history of the game
- Their 2008 Lux Tax bill was the same size as the Marlins payroll (which says something about both them and the Marlins).
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metirish
Dec 24 2008 02:19 PM
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Incredible .
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Edgy DC
Dec 24 2008 02:26 PM
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The Yankees really have to shore things up at second.
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Gwreck
Dec 24 2008 10:19 PM
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="seawolf17":3nh2omhf]Would you trade our four for their four, right now, for 2009? I wouldn't.[/quote:3nh2omhf]
I wouldn't either. Maybe Texeira over Beltran...maybe. Beltran's defense at an impact position may still make Carlos more valuable, even if he doesn't have quite the same offensive production as Texeira. The other 3? Forget it. (Yes, even Rodriguez, if only for the baggage he brings).
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Ashie62
Dec 25 2008 10:02 AM
Teixeira sponsorship on Baseball_Reference
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Somebody got to this quicky..A Yanqui smackdown on www.baseball-reference.com ...
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seawolf17
Dec 25 2008 12:08 PM
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="Edgy DC":25bor5gt]The Yankees really have to shore things up at second.[/quote:25bor5gt]
Someone send Hank Steinbrenner a 2005 baseball card of Luis Castillo, then have Omar call him and offer him Castillo for Nady and Cano.
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Frayed Knot
Dec 26 2008 10:54 AM
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And the last of the teams getting screwed by the Yanx signing Teixeira winds up being Milwaukee, plus, to a lesser extent, Toronto.
With Sabathia, Burnett, & Teixeira all being Type-A FAs, obviously only one team can get the Yanx 1st round pick (mid-20s somewhere) in next June's draft. That team turns out to be the Angels based on Teixeira being the top-rated of all those FAs. Sabathia ranks next so the Brews get the Yanx 2nd rounder, while Toronto gets their 3rd round choice (probably up above pick #100) as compensation for losing Burnett.
All three teams also get supplemental picks (in the same order I believe) after the end of the first round.
So those Brew fans who consoled themselves by figuring they'd get a top-25 pick and a top-40 out of losing big CC wind up with one in the mid-60s or so to go along with the top-40.
Oh well.
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Edgy DC
Dec 26 2008 11:07 AM
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It would be maybe more coolio if maybe the second team who lost a type A to Team Y could get a pick right after the first team.
Team Y, for their part, would sacrifice their first round pick for 2009 after signing the first, their first-round pick for 20010 after signing the second, etc. If Team Y is the Yankees, they'd be out first rounders up to 2051 by now, which would be such an abstraction to them, they'd care little, but they care little now anyhow, and at least the team losing their guy to the Yankees would get a prompt and fair (or more close to the intended fairness) compensation.
The first year or two under this policy would lead to a bloated round one, but that would even out in subsequent years.
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metirish
Dec 26 2008 11:24 AM
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Cashman is all about the farm , especially since he gained full control from the Tampa Rowdies a few years back.
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