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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":wzrlfp63]The shoe thing apparently holds symbolic meaning, like the ultimate disrespect. "I throw my shoe at you!"[/quote:wzrlfp63]
Yeah. Remember when the Saddam statues started to be pulled down, several Iraqi citizens couldn't resist the urge to take off their shoes and use them to beat face and head of the statue.
Foreigners in general don't seem to hold shoes in the same regard that we Americans seem to - and certainly not of the chicks of 'Sex in the City'.
Reading a book on (still communist) Russia a bunch of years ago I learned that calling someone a shoemaker was considered a particularly low form of insult. When the projector would break at a movie house cries of "Shoemaker" could be heard throughout suggesting that the guy running the projector was incompetent.
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HahnSolo
Dec 15 2008 10:26 AM
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No matter your feelings on W, it is rather disconcerting that this guy was able to do this to the US president. Bombs have been placed in shoes before. And how about the guy getting two shoe shots at the president. Where the hell were the Secret Service.
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Edgy DC
Dec 15 2008 10:33 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 15 2008 10:49 AM
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I imagine the press isn't allowed into the briefing room with bombs in their shoes.
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metirish
Dec 15 2008 10:36 AM
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The press people get checked with special machines and wands to check for such things, still it is scary that he got two shoes off.
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Edgy DC
Dec 15 2008 10:50 AM
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Eh, they're just shoes.
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soupcan
Dec 15 2008 10:55 AM
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Really - they were just shoes.
The thing that strikes me about the video is how composed Dubya is. Basically he just ducked and moved his head.
Didn't freak out or hide or scream or anything. He handled it as well as could be expected. That surprised me.
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themetfairy
Dec 15 2008 10:56 AM
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="HahnSolo":170z36l8]No matter your feelings on W, it is rather disconcerting that this guy was able to do this to the US president. [/quote:170z36l8]
Agreed
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HahnSolo
Dec 15 2008 11:19 AM
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="Edgy DC":35d0xggr]I imagine the press isn't allowed into the briefing room with bombs in their shoes.[/quote:35d0xggr]
You're not allowed on planes with them either.
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sharpie
Dec 15 2008 12:05 PM
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I seem to remember an attempt of overturning Nixon's car in Venezuela.
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metsguyinmichigan
Dec 15 2008 01:00 PM
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It is upsetting. Support him or not, the president of the United States is the leader of the free world, and deserves respect always.
I will say that the Secret Service was there quickly.
When I covered the president this fall, we had to give our Social Security number and other personal information to the advance team so they could do a background check. Then there is a substantial security wanding and screening, even more so for the guys with cameras and other equipment.
But if a guy wants to take off his shoe and throw it, there's nothing to stop him, other than the thought of an army of large and well-armed goons descending on his head before the shoe even hits the ground.
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seawolf17
Dec 15 2008 01:28 PM
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="metsguyinmichigan":3mmulcqg]It is upsetting. Support him or not, the president of the United States is the leader of the free world, and deserves respect always.
I will say that the Secret Service was there quickly.
When I covered the president this fall, we had to give our Social Security number and other personal information to the advance team so they could do a background check. Then there is a substantial security wanding and screening, even more so for the guys with cameras and other equipment.
But if a guy wants to take off his shoe and throw it, there's nothing to stop him, other than the thought of an army of large and well-armed goons descending on his head before the shoe even hits the ground.[/quote:3mmulcqg]
I wonder if they poked around the Pool. Hello, Secret Service!
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Nymr83
Dec 15 2008 01:59 PM
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="seawolf17":2ckswnyk]
I wonder if they poked around the Pool. Hello, Secret Service![/quote:2ckswnyk]
As long as the IRS isn't poking around.
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Vic Sage
Dec 15 2008 02:06 PM
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| ]Support him or not, the president of the United States is the leader of the free world, and deserves respect always. |
knee-jerk authoritarianism. One is not entitled to respect "always", if one acts in a way that is deserving of disrespect. This is as true of the Prez as it is of you or me.
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metsguyinmichigan
Dec 15 2008 03:42 PM
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="Vic Sage"]| ]Support him or not, the president of the United States is the leader of the free world, and deserves respect always. |
knee-jerk authoritarianism. One is not entitled to respect "always", if one acts in a way that is deserving of disrespect. This is as true of the Prez as it is of you or me. |
Oh no, I disagree. You need to respect the office, if not the man or woman. Always.
Doesn't mean you can't strongly disagree with the person, or even be repulsed by him or her. But when you are in their presence, you must show the office the respect it deserves as the elected leader of the United States.
And on foreign soil, the person is the representative of the United States. The idiot threw the shoe at all of us.
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OlerudOwned
Dec 15 2008 07:01 PM
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="metsguyinmichigan"]="Vic Sage"]| ]Support him or not, the president of the United States is the leader of the free world, and deserves respect always. |
knee-jerk authoritarianism. One is not entitled to respect "always", if one acts in a way that is deserving of disrespect. This is as true of the Prez as it is of you or me. |
Oh no, I disagree. You need to respect the office, if not the man or woman. Always.
Doesn't mean you can't strongly disagree with the person, or even be repulsed by him or her. But when you are in their presence, you must show the office the respect it deserves as the elected leader of the United States.
And on foreign soil, the person is the representative of the United States. The idiot threw the shoe at all of us. |
I don't have respect for the way Bush has represented us.
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Nymr83
Dec 15 2008 11:49 PM
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="Vic Sage"]| ]Support him or not, the president of the United States is the leader of the free world, and deserves respect always. |
knee-jerk authoritarianism. One is not entitled to respect "always", if one acts in a way that is deserving of disrespect. This is as true of the Prez as it is of you or me. |
one is, however, entitled to not have objects thrown at one's person. if the guys hates bush he is entitled to protest with a sign or use some other non-violent means of getting his point across.
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Willets Point
Dec 16 2008 06:49 AM
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I hope that guy got what he wanted from the shoe-flinging. He almost certainly signed his death warrant in the process. Wouldn't be surprised if his family is rounded up too.
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Frayed Knot
Dec 16 2008 06:55 AM
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Really?
I'd be surprised if he gets anything more than a small fine.
Now if he had done it during a Saddam press conference ...
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Benjamin Grimm
Dec 16 2008 07:05 AM
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He's being hailed as a hero. It would be very poor P.R. for them to execute him, or cut off his feet, or whatever it is they do to guys who throw shoes at other people.
An article in the Daily News this morning included the following:
"Throwing shoes is a sign of disrespect in the Arab world."
As if throwing a shoe at someone isn't disrespectful anywhere else.
Also, when I said 'assault' in my opening post, I wasn't implying that Bush was ever in deadly danger. Although, I suppose, if he had been struck in the temple by the heel of the shoe he might have been knocked out or suffered brain damage (hold your jokes please) as a result.
I'm sure if I threw shoes at somebody on the street, I could very well be charged with assault, especially if I struck someone. And even moreso if I injured them.
It would have been pretty cool if Bush had caught the shoe in his throwing hand and pegged it back at the guy's forehead, knocking him cold. That's what President Harrison Ford would have done in Air Force One. And he could have had a cool catch phrase to go with it, something like, "I believe this is yours!"
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Edgy DC
Dec 16 2008 07:14 AM
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Add your own kickass president tagline.
<p align="center"><img src="http://l.yimg.com/img.movies.yahoo.com/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/columbia_pictures/air_force_one/harrison_ford/airforce1.jpg"><br>"Freedom... of the press... has its limits."</p>
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 16 2008 07:48 AM
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Shoe, fly, shoe. Yippiekayamuthafucka
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G-Fafif
Dec 16 2008 07:51 AM
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I threw a shoe at a wall after we lost the Terry Pendleton game. It left a nice big dent.
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metsguyinmichigan
Dec 16 2008 08:13 AM
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="Nymr83"]="Vic Sage"]| ]Support him or not, the president of the United States is the leader of the free world, and deserves respect always. |
knee-jerk authoritarianism. One is not entitled to respect "always", if one acts in a way that is deserving of disrespect. This is as true of the Prez as it is of you or me. |
one is, however, entitled to not have objects thrown at one's person. if the guys hates bush he is entitled to protest with a sign or use some other non-violent means of getting his point across. |
Actually, he's entitled to do that outside the room. But inside, as a journalist, he's supposed to be covering the story, not becoming the story.
Now, G-FAFIF is free to throw shoes as he pleases at home. I wanted to throw a Show as I watched the final Shea game!
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Willets Point
Dec 16 2008 08:18 AM
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| ="Frayed Knot"]Really?
I'd be surprised if he gets anything more than a small fine.
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He's already received <a href="http://is.gd/bWo8">worse than that</a> after being beaten in custody:
| ]Muntadar al-Zaidi has suffered a broken hand, broken ribs and internal bleeding, as well as an eye injury, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC. |
According to the article the "offence carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail." In the lawless mess that is Iraq it wouldn't be surprising if Zaidi feels so remorseful that he "hangs himself" in his cell instead.
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MFS62
Dec 17 2008 06:37 AM
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Both throws were a little high. He must have forgotten to bend his back leg.
But since the Mets are looking for starters, I bet a good pitching coa..... er, never mind.
Later
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