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State of the Journalism Industry
Edgy DC Dec 29 2008 09:29 AM |
We've had a couple of laments of late from journalist posters worrying about the dying of newspapers in the encroaching era of new media.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 29 2008 09:46 AM |
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At least where I work Internet ad revenue IS growing, but is still only a tiny fraction of what print advertising could/did once provide and probably won't ever be as big. The advertisiers themselves have pretty much decided that print isn't worth supporting anymore, especially given its cost, and I am convinced there will be no getting that back. The whole model is just being compacted: Smaller base $$, smaller staffs, etc etc. down the line. I think opening the paid-subscription gates is a loss leader.
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Edgy DC Dec 29 2008 09:52 AM |
How much can the losses from reduced ad revenues made up for by shutting down print shops and mail houses? They're becoming more pointless every day.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 29 2008 09:52 AM |
What kind of advertising is being lost? My guess is that classifieds has taken the biggest hit. My Sunday paper still seems full of supermarket coupons and circulars for places like Best Buy and Sears and other big chain stores. And there's still enough to justify a separate section for Real Estate and Automotive ads.
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metirish Dec 29 2008 09:57 AM |
If I had a laptop to take on the train I am quite sure I would never buy a newspaper , I have no idea if they are dying but from what I read they are losing money at a rapid rate. As an outsider I think the image of the hard hitting street journalist is dead, at least for me anyway.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 29 2008 10:14 AM |
[quote="Benjamin Grimm":38mzuhsz]What kind of advertising is being lost? My guess is that classifieds has taken the biggest hit. My Sunday paper still seems full of supermarket coupons and circulars for places like Best Buy and Sears and other big chain stores. And there's still enough to justify a separate section for Real Estate and Automotive ads.
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Frayed Knot Dec 29 2008 10:29 AM |
Buying fewer Newsdays now that they've gone to 75 cents from 50.
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metsguyinmichigan Dec 29 2008 11:13 AM |
Papers are shifting to a 50-50 ratio of ads to copy. That means you'll see two section papers on the smallest ad days, like Monday and Tuesday.
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Kong76 Dec 29 2008 12:52 PM |
FK: One place where you really see the disappearance of in-issue advertising is magazines <<<
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metsmarathon Dec 29 2008 01:40 PM |
there's something about print on paper that's infinitely more readable than backlit phosphors of varying luminosity...
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 29 2008 01:50 PM |
I like paging through the newspaper. I end up reading articles that I might never have encountered if I had to click and drill around a web site.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 29 2008 01:57 PM |
I couldn't ride the subway or take a dump at work without a paper so I hope they live forever.
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Kong76 Dec 29 2008 02:12 PM |
We should start a business, the pop down laptop shelf.
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metirish Dec 29 2008 02:18 PM |
Right now I am taking Nelson DeMille to the loo , I do like Kong's idea though.
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 29 2008 02:27 PM |
Sometimes I get grossed out when I think about the poo hands that have likely touched the library books I thumb through.
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Frayed Knot Dec 29 2008 02:42 PM |
[quote="Benjamin Grimm":3uwtunfb]I like paging through the newspaper. I end up reading articles that I might never have encountered if I had to click and drill around a web site.[/quote:3uwtunfb]
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sharpie Dec 29 2008 02:58 PM |
Not only do I only read internet articles if they are thrust in front of me but I never look at internet ads. Unlike a newspaper ad which I might pause at or perhaps even read and process the information and on occasion actually act upon something I see there.
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dgwphotography Dec 30 2008 04:25 PM |
I'm purely an internet paper reader. The keyboard doesn't leave ink on my fingers...
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SteveJRogers Dec 30 2008 06:15 PM |
[quote="Kong76"]We should start a business, the pop down laptop shelf. |
DocTee Jan 07 2009 05:45 PM |
From today's SF Chronicle:
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 13 2009 01:28 PM |
If I didn't buy the Daily News everyday I wouldn't know anything about the "Kidney Wife" divorce proceedings, and that would make me sadder.
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metirish Jan 13 2009 01:51 PM |
He gave her his kidney and all he gets is to smell her nickers , terrible state of affairs.
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Edgy DC Mar 16 2009 04:31 PM |
Down goes the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
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Edgy DC Mar 20 2009 08:17 AM |
Nicholas Kristof laments that the decline and death of the civic daily is contirbuting to our growing intolerance of, and inablitly to live among, people with thoughts opposed to our own.
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seawolf17 Mar 20 2009 08:22 AM |
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 20 2009 08:44 AM |
[quote="Edgy DC"]Nicholas Kristof laments that the decline and death of the civic daily is contirbuting to our growing intolerance of, and inablitly to live among, people with thoughts opposed to our own. |
Edgy DC Mar 20 2009 09:01 AM |
Well, don't count me among a "we" that represents Hillary's thesis.
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Benjamin Grimm Mar 20 2009 09:03 AM |
Ring Dings????
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 20 2009 09:12 AM |
[quote="Edgy DC"]Well, don't count me among a "we" that represents Hillary's thesis. |
Edgy DC Mar 20 2009 09:18 AM |
I certainly have an appreciation for cultural niches. We remain a strong diverse nation because of the safety in which subcultures flourish.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 20 2009 09:29 AM |
[quote="Edgy DC"] |
Edgy DC Mar 20 2009 10:04 AM |
I honestly don't know if I see that. Kristof does. And he asserts that Nicholas Negroponte and Farhad Manjoo do, or at least have publish observations that hint at the elements of that.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 20 2009 10:09 AM |
I don't really get Twitter. Am I a complete fuckstick?
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metirish Mar 20 2009 10:13 AM |
[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3bpzzkuq]I don't really get Twitter. Am I a complete fuckstick?[/quote:3bpzzkuq]
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 20 2009 10:23 AM |
[quote="metirish":915ezkci][quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":915ezkci]I don't really get Twitter. Am I a complete fuckstick?[/quote:915ezkci]
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themetfairy Mar 20 2009 10:25 AM |
[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":si99klz7]I don't really get Twitter. Am I a complete fuckstick?[/quote:si99klz7]
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seawolf17 Mar 20 2009 10:36 AM |
I use Twitter professionally. It doesn't do anything that Facebook doesn't already do.
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G-Fafif Mar 20 2009 10:51 AM |
[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":q4mekhsc]I don't really get Twitter. Am I a complete fuckstick?[/quote:q4mekhsc]
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 20 2009 11:15 AM |
I dunno. Seawolf gets paid to use Twitter.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 20 2009 01:14 PM |
I understand now. Twitter is a fun humor laughter thing:
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 20 2009 01:24 PM |
Think "mass, multiplatform texting." (And all the pain/"pleasure" that brings.)
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MFS62 Mar 20 2009 03:03 PM |
[quote="Benjamin Grimm":2nn9q4d9]Ring Dings????
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metsguyinmichigan Mar 23 2009 09:39 AM |
My paper announced wage and benefit cuts for us this morning. But we're better off than others in our chain, which is either closing or merging and publishing only three days a week.
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Fman99 Mar 23 2009 09:41 AM |
[quote="metsguyinmichigan":1hckamr9]My paper announced wage and benefit cuts for us this morning. But we're better off than others in our chain, which is either closing or merging and publishing only three days a week.
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themetfairy Mar 23 2009 09:45 AM |
Glad to hear that the paper is hanging in there.
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metirish Mar 23 2009 09:51 AM |
[quote="metsguyinmichigan":qhxl4rty]My paper announced wage and benefit cuts for us this morning. But we're better off than others in our chain, which is either closing or merging and publishing only three days a week.
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metsguyinmichigan Mar 23 2009 11:30 AM |
Thanks, guys!
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metirish Apr 02 2009 02:15 PM |
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Daniel Gross blames greedy executives
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metirish Apr 03 2009 01:23 PM |
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I read so many articles like this , makes me laugh and makes me mad at the same time.
This is on the Opinion page on the website. Writers bio next to it About Timothy Egan Timothy Egan worked for 18 years as a writer for The New York Times, first as the Pacific Northwest correspondent, then as a national enterprise reporter. In 2006, Mr. Egan won the National Book Award for his history of people who lived through the Dust Bowl, The Worst Hard Time. In 2001, he won the Pulitzer Prize as part of a team of reporters who wrote the series How Race Is Lived in America. Mr. Egan is the author of five books, including "The Good Rain: Across Time and Terrain in the Pacific Northwest," and "Lasso the Wind, Away to the New West." He lives in Seattle. http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/0 ... reland/?em
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Edgy DC Apr 03 2009 01:48 PM |
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Apparently, the hyperbole hasn't deflated along with housing prices.
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DocTee Apr 17 2009 07:11 PM |
Rolling Stone leaves SF
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Edgy DC Apr 17 2009 10:37 PM |
Yeah, Rolling Stone will continue to do serious journalism. And The Sporting News will continue to be the go to source of information for the serious baseball fan.
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Edgy DC May 10 2009 07:57 PM |
Frank Rich mentions this clip in his column today. (Yes, I read it online. Of course I did.) It otherwise speaks for itself.
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Frayed Knot May 10 2009 08:05 PM |
It's like the scene from 'Almost Famous' (speaking of Rolling Stone) where RS's Ben-Fong Torres tells William that the NY Daily News will let them use their new machine which can transmit text pages through the phone line in just 18 minutes per page.
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MFS62 Jun 18 2009 09:27 PM |
Sad but true.
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metirish Jul 27 2009 01:01 PM |
Newsday seems intent on stopping traffic to newsday.com, their revamped website is horrible.
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metirish Oct 02 2009 11:56 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
London Evening Standard to go free , this will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
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DocTee Nov 04 2009 07:32 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
An excellent, but lengthy piece in the November Harper's:
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Edgy DC Nov 04 2009 07:39 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
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Ouch.
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Benjamin Grimm Nov 04 2009 08:11 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
I love-love-love newspapers, but I can't agree with that statement. I think it's more likely that San Francisco is getting its sense of place from somewhere other than the Chronicle.
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Edgy DC Nov 04 2009 08:28 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Well, I don't think it's completely true either. I just think there's enough truth in it to be haunting.
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metirish Nov 04 2009 08:46 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Good article to read, I think newspapers today have lost their importance to the city they are in , or at least the kind of importance that would have been attached to say the Chronicle as described in the article. My Grandfather would only ever read The Irish press becasue he was a de Valera man and that was that....never do I remember The Irish Times in our house and to this day it's not....my grandfather passed a few years before The Irish Press did and I wonder what he might have read if that were reversed.
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Edgy DC Dec 31 2009 07:02 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
The Washington Times making huge cuts in their 170-person staff, including eliminating the Sports and Metro sections. Rather than look people in the eye, they held a meeting and then told them to pick out envelopes on the way out telling them their fates. Class.
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Ashie62 Jan 01 2010 10:45 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Time Inc. is taking most of their better magazine brands and developing a "digital newstand"..If succesful, and it will be 2-3 years to find out, the print editions will no longer be produced.
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2010 08:07 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Looks like a 50/50 chance I don't survive the day and a 75% chance I don't survive Friday.
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TransMonk Jan 19 2010 08:13 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Jeez...and I was kinda pissed I didn't get a raise this year.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 19 2010 08:24 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Yeow. Go where S has gone.
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themetfairy Jan 19 2010 08:45 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Best of luck Edgy!
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 19 2010 08:48 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
[quote="TransMonk":3hvi9cyz]Hope this all works out for the best.[/quote:3hvi9cyz]
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metirish Jan 19 2010 08:49 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
WOW....all the best
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2010 08:54 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
We'll be fine. One way or another. We have no kids and no tutions to worry about and we're not in Haiti. I have my part-time job in the evening and my wife has crazy amounts of talent.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 19 2010 09:04 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
There's the old misgiving about 'survivors being the lucky ones.'
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Fman99 Jan 19 2010 10:06 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
[quote="Edgy DC":3c38yh9l]Looks like a 50/50 chance I don't survive the day and a 75% chance I don't survive Friday.
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2010 10:11 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
it's appreciated, but your vomitey kids need your sorrow more than I do (unless somebody fucks around with my exit package). I'm not sympathy grubbin', only reporting on where my life is going. I'd certainly welcome any writing/editing leads, however.
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Fman99 Jan 19 2010 10:15 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
You're getting puked on by your profession and I am getting puked on by a couple of Fman youths. Same difference.
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2010 10:17 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
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Me and Bobby, baby.
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Chad Ochoseis Jan 19 2010 10:38 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
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A good friend of mine from college is a managing editor (or some similar position) with a scientific book publisher in the DC exurbs. I'll send him an e-mail and see if he knows anything. Last time we talked about work, the conversation went something like this: Ocho's friend: My job sucks. Ocho: I vaguely know someone from the Crane Pool Forum who lives in DC and works in educational publishing. Seems like a good guy. If you want me to put you in touch, let me know and I'll contact him. So I wouldn't be too optimistic. But I'll e-mail him tonight.
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2010 10:48 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Thanky.
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2010 02:59 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Sword of Damocles lays off for one day. How about that shit?
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themetfairy Jan 19 2010 03:36 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Yea Edgy (for now).
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TransMonk Jan 19 2010 03:47 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
And he lives to write another day.
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Kong76 Jan 19 2010 04:04 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Wow, I never open this thread and for some reason did. Best of
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Chad Ochoseis Jan 19 2010 04:11 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Glad to hear it - sent an e-mail to my friend in the DC area just in case. His job doesn't really suck.
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2010 08:23 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
[quote="Kong76":33ysd1wx]... maybe it's time for a change anyways?[/quote:33ysd1wx]
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 19 2010 10:39 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Rarely look here, either.
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metsguyinmichigan Jan 19 2010 11:20 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Hang in there, Edgy.
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metirish Jan 22 2010 09:11 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Any news Edgy?
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Edgy DC Jan 22 2010 09:17 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
I'm kinda being dicked, thanks.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 22 2010 09:30 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
[quote="Edgy DC":1vhucf7x]I'm kinda being dicked, thanks.[/quote:1vhucf7x]
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Edgy DC Jan 22 2010 09:40 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
By a woman.
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Ashie62 Jan 23 2010 09:16 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
[quote="Edgy DC"]By a woman. |
Rockin' Doc Jan 23 2010 05:36 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
I don't look at this thread very often and I'm saddened to hear of all the cut backs, frozen salaries, and reduced benefits that so many of the forum members are facing in their jobs.
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metirish Jan 26 2010 08:01 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
A insightful interview here with Pulitzer prize winning photojournalist David Hume Kennerly.It's a good read but if you scroll down to the picture of Nixon on the chopper he is asked about journalism.
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Ashie62 Jan 29 2010 06:01 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
The National Enquirer is "demanding" a Pulitzer Prize nomination for being first, and correct with Tiger Woods.
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Edgy DC Feb 02 2010 07:38 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Well, Homeboy survives after all.
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metirish Feb 02 2010 07:42 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Good news, maybe you'll stop being so damn argumentive now, oh wait that's just you:)
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Edgy DC Feb 02 2010 07:49 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Seriously, intervention time. Am I that big an asshole?
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metirish Feb 02 2010 07:52 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
No , I'm taking the piss.......
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Rockin' Doc Feb 02 2010 07:56 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Edgy, I'm glad to hear that you shall remain employed. It's a shame that so many people continue to become casualties of the poor economy.
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Edgy DC Feb 02 2010 08:03 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Because this is how I ruin everything:
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Fman99 Feb 02 2010 08:55 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
What a cunt.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 02 2010 09:16 PM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
God, you're a piece of crap. Crap-piece.
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themetfairy Feb 03 2010 05:13 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Glad to hear you lived to write another day Edgy!
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 09 2010 07:45 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Been waiting for the day for 2 years, finally it's here -- My employer filed Chapter 11 this morning.
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MFS62 Feb 28 2010 08:52 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
Yesterday, A co-worker and I were talking about school systems. He said to me that in order to be a good editor, you have to have taken Latin.
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metsmarathon Feb 28 2010 10:55 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
well, otherwise, you'd let shit like "forums" slip onto the pages of your publications. and thats just plain unacceptable.
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DocTee May 27 2010 09:41 AM Re: State of the Journalism Industry |
An interesting trend in local media: L3C
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