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It's all Schneider's fault!!!

Frayed Knot Jan 13 2009 06:50 AM

A couple of university stats guys contacted [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/:2favriqt]Adam Rubin's blog[/url:2favriqt] (scroll to 'What's the Catch') at NYDN with the following differences of pitching to Schneider or Castro during the 2008 season: * SANCHEZ caught by CASTRO 65 ABs, allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=292 caught by SCHNEIDER 108 ABs, allows 6 HRs and OPP SLUG%=454 * HEILMAN caught by CASTRO 50 ABs , allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=340 caught by SCHNEIDER 195 ABs, allows 9 HRs and OPP SLUG%=456 * FELICIANO caught by CASTRO 36 ABs, allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=306 caught by SCHNEIDER 134 ABs, allows 6 HRs and OPP SLUG%=455 * WAGNER caught by CASTRO 49 ABs, allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=204 caught by SCHNEIDER 99 ABs, allows 3 HRs and OPP SLUG%=313 * SANTANA caught by CASTRO 333 ABs, allows 6 HRs and OPP SLUG%=297 caught by SCHNEIDER 524 ABs, allows 15 HRs and OP SLUG%=401 * PEDRO M caught by CASTRO 138 ABs, allows 2 HRs and OPP SLUG%=377 caught by SCHNEIDER 185 ABs, allows 15 HRs and OPP SLUG%=600 Real? ... Coincidence? ... Small sample size?

sharpie Jan 13 2009 06:59 AM

Did they leave out the stats for Perez, Pelfrey and Maine because it would hurt their thesis?

Valadius Jan 13 2009 07:01 AM

Too much picking and choosing going on here. Don't buy it.

TransMonk Jan 13 2009 07:02 AM

Yeah, IIRC at least Pelfrey's numbers go the other way...especially for the 2 months he was untouchable last year.

Nymr83 Jan 13 2009 07:25 AM

thats cherry-picking data, unless they have a plausible theory as to why Castro is better for these specific pitchers. here's the best i can do (which is not to say i believe it) They used data for: Pedro(36), Santana(29), Wagner(36), Sanchez(28), Feliciano(31), Heilman(29) They left out data for: Perez (26), Pelfrey (24), Maine (27), Smith (24), Schoenweis (34), Figueroa (34) thats the 12 guys who throw the most innings. maybe Castro was better for the older guys because he let them call their own games, while Schneider was better at telling the younger guys like Pelfrey, Perez, and Maine what to do. i'd like to see the splits for the whole season with all pitchers included

Edgy DC Jan 13 2009 07:35 AM

And I have it on good authority that Castro was the worst backup catcher in the league.

Nymr83 Jan 13 2009 07:37 AM

="Edgy DC":20k6bs8k]And I have it on good authority that Castro was the worst backup catcher in the league.[/quote:20k6bs8k] whose authority is that? i'm sure you're not talking about me because i was probably calling for him to start most of the last 2 years metirish Jan 13 2009 07:47 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 13 2009 07:59 AM Castro can't stay off the DL so in that respect he is a huge(head) disappointment. Edgy DC Jan 13 2009 07:48 AM ="Nymr83":1bmo7bim] ="Edgy DC":1bmo7bim]And I have it on good authority that Castro was the worst backup catcher in the league.[/quote:1bmo7bim] whose authority is that? i'm sure you're not talking about me because i was probably calling for him to start most of the last 2 years[/quote:1bmo7bim] Shee, paranoid much? ="attgig":1bmo7bim]nobody has faith in schnied to produce offensively, and while castro COULD provide some pop, he just gets hurt too often (he must be the worst backup catcher in the league).[/quote:1bmo7bim] TransMonk Jan 13 2009 07:50 AM Quick Opp. SLG % for those left out: Perez: Schneider (563 PA) - .358 (16 HR) Perez: Castro (221 PA) - .450 (7 HR) Pelfrey: Schneider (610 PA) - .379 (6 HR) Pelfrey: Castro (161 PA) - .345 (3 HR) Maine: Schneider (440 PA) - .402 (13 HR) Maine: Castro (65 PA) - .286 (2 HR) Smith: Schneider (158 PA) - .321 (3 HR) Smith: Castro (52 PA) - .386 (1 HR) Schoeneweis: Schneider (141 PA) - .323 (2 HR) Schoeneweis: Castro (53 PA) - .638 (4 HR) Figueroa: Schneider (77 PA) - .459 (2 HR) Figueroa: Castro (2 PA) - .500 (0 HR) All pitchers splits are broken down by catcher on their baseball reference splits page for any given year. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 13 2009 07:54 AM Yeah, I think the point that Castro is fat and frequently injured is a huge drawback, and a backup whose availability cannot be relied upon is basically worthless. And The Schneid obviously had a poor year all around: Didn't hit with any authority till August, and was not the kind of defensive catcher who brought any added value, which IMO was the first and best reason for getting him in the first place. I place Schneid alongside Castillo as guys who need to improve their games or else this year. Edgy DC Jan 13 2009 07:57 AM I think the Schneid gave what the Schneid gives. Gwreck Jan 13 2009 08:20 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1c6xhf6t]I place Schneid alongside Castillo as guys who need to improve their games or else this year.[/quote:1c6xhf6t] I'm not sure if there's anything Schneider could do* in 2009 that would make me think a 2010 contract is justified. *Based on reasonable projections. I guess he could theoretically hit 30 homers but I'm not counting on it. attgig Jan 13 2009 08:27 AM ="Edgy DC":2mr3ppg9] ="Nymr83":2mr3ppg9] ="Edgy DC":2mr3ppg9]And I have it on good authority that Castro was the worst backup catcher in the league.[/quote:2mr3ppg9] whose authority is that? i'm sure you're not talking about me because i was probably calling for him to start most of the last 2 years[/quote:2mr3ppg9] Shee, paranoid much? ="attgig":2mr3ppg9]nobody has faith in schnied to produce offensively, and while castro COULD provide some pop, he just gets hurt too often (he must be the worst backup catcher in the league).[/quote:2mr3ppg9][/quote:2mr3ppg9] wow, thanks for considering me as good authority. If your job is to be a backup catcher, you better be ready, and not on the DL. Because Castro's inability to be a good BACKUP catcher, we've had to frequently have 3 catchers on our roster. I would actually think that Castro would make a better starting catcher, and then, when he does get hurt (not if), then, schneider would make a great backup catcher. if we have to carry 3 catchers again, the Castro has again failed at his job. attgig Jan 13 2009 08:37 AM so, collecting everyone's stats together, and marking those who matter and those who don't... Schneider doesn't help anyone on our staff, except for maybe pelfrey. that said, only 4 out of 12 pitchers fared better with Schneider. bad ratio for a starting catcher to have. Maybe they should listen to Delgado and get pudge. ="stats"] * SANCHEZ caught by CASTRO 65 ABs, allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=292 caught by SCHNEIDER 108 ABs, allows 6 HRs and OPP SLUG%=454 --gone-- * HEILMAN caught by CASTRO 50 ABs , allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=340 caught by SCHNEIDER 195 ABs, allows 9 HRs and OPP SLUG%=456 * FELICIANO caught by CASTRO 36 ABs, allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=306 caught by SCHNEIDER 134 ABs, allows 6 HRs and OPP SLUG%=455 --injured-- * WAGNER caught by CASTRO 49 ABs, allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=204 caught by SCHNEIDER 99 ABs, allows 3 HRs and OPP SLUG%=313 * SANTANA caught by CASTRO 333 ABs, allows 6 HRs and OPP SLUG%=297 caught by SCHNEIDER 524 ABs, allows 15 HRs and OP SLUG%=401 --most likely gone-- * PEDRO M caught by CASTRO 138 ABs, allows 2 HRs and OPP SLUG%=377 caught by SCHNEIDER 185 ABs, allows 15 HRs and OPP SLUG%=600 --lowe to atl, perez to us?-- Perez: Schneider (563 PA) - .358 (16 HR) Perez: Castro (221 PA) - .450 (7 HR) --homers vs slugging -- + pelf's hot streak. Pelfrey: Schneider (610 PA) - .379 (6 HR) Pelfrey: Castro (161 PA) - .345 (3 HR) Maine: Schneider (440 PA) - .402 (13 HR) Maine: Castro (65 PA) - .286 (2 HR) --gone-- Smith: Schneider (158 PA) - .321 (3 HR) Smith: Castro (52 PA) - .386 (1 HR) --gone-- Schoeneweis: Schneider (141 PA) - .323 (2 HR) Schoeneweis: Castro (53 PA) - .638 (4 HR) --too small-- Figueroa: Schneider (77 PA) - .459 (2 HR) Figueroa: Castro (2 PA) - .500 (0 HR) All pitchers splits are broken down by catcher on their baseball reference splits page for any given year. Zvon Jan 13 2009 03:11 PM I thought Schneids strong suit was supposed to be his work behind the plate. Yeech.