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Edgy DC
Jan 29 2009 11:50 AM

Met fan cries with envy in Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-chatt ... 60616.html

I can't register everywhere to answer all this crap. But some folks need to hear that maybe this baseball fan thing isn't for them.

G-Fafif
Jan 29 2009 12:02 PM

]I'd be OK with this if the Bronx neighbors didn't get all the good players or if the Mets couldn't afford to land players like Derek Lowe and Manny Ramirez.


He would? Doesn't sound like it.

seawolf17
Jan 29 2009 12:10 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 29 2009 02:12 PM

The Hot Stove has been, for lack of a better pun, quite cold this winter. Bloggers and baseball analysts have weighed in on where they think players will end up, but in the end, it just ends up as speculation with little concrete information to back any bold statement up. While most teams wait for the market on free agents to come down, the New York Mets have gotten the most bang for their megabucks - as they always do. Just like every New York Met fan, I'm thrilled, excited, eager, and above-all-else, boastful.

The Mets always get their man. Johan. Carlos. It goes beyond All-Stars. The Yankees, the last few years, have settled for second, third or twelfth best. While the Mets often feel like they don't have enough and need more, the Yankees are a franchise that always hold out hope everything on paper will translate to the field and figure problems will work themselves out. While the Metsies sign marquee players in their prime, the Yankees do the same, only past their prime. Look at any or all of the following Yankees signings/acquisitions over the past few years: Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, Sidney Ponson, Kevin Brown, Tony Clark, Raul Mondesi, John Olerud.

I could go on and name drop pre-90's signings and trades but why insult Ken Phelps, Fran Healy, and Steve Balboni? They knew they were past their prime. The Yankees just didn't. While there are moments of greatness, the franchise always seems to do the wrong thing or handle situations poorly. Look at past lousy trades they've made...paging Dale Murray - are you there Dale Murray? Look at how they handled the Yankee Stadium closing ceremony last year. Why have it after a season where they didn't even make the playoffs? I could even take them to task for overcharging for Yankee memorabilia. I could go on... the way they treated Dwight Gooden, the way they ran Joe Torre out of town, and the way they traded Scott McGregor and Rick Dempsey for a bag of balls. I could go on, and will.

This off-season was crucial for General Manager Brian Cashman to make an impact. The team is moving to a state-of-the-art ballpark and are coming off of eight seasons which ended in collapses. 2007 in particular saw the team get blown out by the Indians in the first round. 2008's answer? Giving Darrell Rasner and Sidney Ponson 35 starts between them. It didn't work. A surprise to nobody.

Cashman started off strong for the 2009 campaign by signing CC and Teixeira. But, the GM has been virtually M.I.A. ever since - doing as he always does in trying to find lightning in a bottle by signing low-risk has-been or never-been players. It's worked in the past, but that doesn't mean it's always going to work. Today's Nick Swisher is tomorrow's Kevin Maas.

To get to the point of all this, the New York Yankees are a team I love. They just don't love me back. Lately, they are being run like The Montreal Expos version 2.0. I'd be OK with this if their Queens neighbors didn't get all the good players or if the Yankees couldn't afford to land players like Derek Lowe and Manny Ramirez. But, they can.

Devil's advocate you can say Ramirez is a liability all around, and that'd agreed. Still, there's no doubt he'd add some character to this team. Why wait for the market to go down? The Red Sox have already got stronger. The Rays have gotten stronger.

Maybe Bernard Madoff is the real reason the Steinbrenners are standing pat this off-season. Maybe Hideki Matsui can repeat his performance last year like Cashman preaches. Maybe Robinson Cano can keep his head-on straight.

Or maybe, just maybe, it's the same Yankees. Being a Yankees fan is like being in an abusive relationship. When things are going good, you can't believe how well they're going. When things are bad, however, they're really bad...like Jason Giambi trying to play first base bad.

Here's hoping the Yankees break character, and pick up a quality starting pitcher who can help solidify the rotation; a young veteran outfielder whose proven he can stay healthy, and a few capable bats for the bench. A one-way ticket out of town for Johnny Damon is also in order.

Let's hope the team gets some swagger, and we, as fans, and they, as an organization, stop milking 2000 accomplishments. Not to take anything away from that year, because it was simply amazing and I still get choked up by highlights from it, but we need new highlights.

It'd be easier to accept being a fan of the other New York baseball team if the organization didn't continually remind us that they're second in town. The average fan knows how to run this team. They have for years. It's time the owners figure it out, too. If they do, I'll be watching and buying tickets. If they don't, I'll be watching and buying tickets. Loyal as always. Don't think they don't know that.

Edgy DC
Jan 29 2009 12:12 PM

Awesome.

G-Fafif
Jan 29 2009 12:22 PM

I'll bet Jon Chattman didn't know he was providing a Mad Libs form.

Frayed Knot
Jan 29 2009 12:29 PM

Reading Wolf's spared me from having to read the original -- one which I'm sure the dude wrote by simply combining a dozen or so WFAN rants while convincing himself that he's come up with some kind of fresh angle on the subject.

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 29 2009 12:31 PM

A+, Seawolf.

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 29 2009 12:32 PM

Very nice job by seawolf.

You should send it to that guy.

metirish
Jan 29 2009 12:35 PM

OK , I was confused for a moment....Seawolf that was brilliant....

MFS62
Jan 29 2009 12:36 PM

The wolf howls.
Great job.
Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 29 2009 12:53 PM

Wolf if you don't post that as a reply on the website NOW I'm going to punch you in the face.

Edgy DC
Jan 29 2009 12:55 PM

I tried to post something long, but it limits you to like 350 characters, so you have to post it one paragraph at a time.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 29 2009 01:03 PM

So who were the free agent Met signees that were considered superstars in their prime at the time of signing? I'm talking pure free agent signees, where the player acquired wasn't part of a trade and had actually filed for free-agency prior to the Mets acquiring that player?

Beltran - but only because the Yankees dropped out. If the Yankees so much as matched the Mets offer, Beltran would be wearing Bronx style pinstripes. The Yankees were Beltran's first choice.

Anybody else?

OE-- Actually, the part about being acquired for a trade is superfluous. So, I'm asking for players signed from that season's free agent pool. A free agent is still a free agent, even if his uni just prior to signing as a free agent was a Mets uniform.

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 29 2009 01:09 PM

Bobby Bonilla.

Centerfield
Jan 29 2009 01:10 PM

I don't know if Piazza fulfills your criteria or not. I don't remember if he actually filed for free agency after 1998.

Bobby Bonilla.

Johan was technically a trade, but a trade that was about as close to a free agent signing as possible.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 29 2009 01:11 PM

="Benjamin Grimm":3a68wdc6]Bobby Bonilla.[/quote:3a68wdc6]

Good one. Bonilla's first Met contract was the highest ever at that time.

Edgy DC
Jan 29 2009 01:13 PM

The guy wasn't distinguishing between trades and free agent siginings, or past and present or fact and fantasy, for that matter.

The Mets wouldn't have gotten him if the Yankees hadn't pulled out can be said of every acqusition, no?

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 29 2009 01:13 PM

="Centerfield":sz7qrzkj]I don't know if Piazza fulfills your criteria or not. I don't remember if he actually filed for free agency after 1998. Bobby Bonilla. Johan was technically a trade, but a trade that was about as close to a free agent signing as possible.[/quote:sz7qrzkj]

Piazza never filed for free agency. I'd rule out Johan also. You're not a free agent until you file, thus allowing other teams to contact you without fear of tampering.

metsmarathon
Jan 29 2009 01:21 PM

robin ventura

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 29 2009 01:25 PM

This question is a little weird in that for many guys "primes" "superstar-ness" and "Free agency" don't necessarily align.

Like, Pedro Martinez for example.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 29 2009 01:26 PM

="Edgy DC":17iq19qw]The guy wasn't distinguishing between trades and free agent siginings, or past and present or fact and fantasy, for that matter. The Mets wouldn't have gotten him if the Yankees hadn't pulled out can be said of every acqusition, no?[/quote:17iq19qw]

I see your point and you're right. It's just that when I think of the Beltran acquisition, I'm still surprised (pleasantly) that the MFY's didn't get him. They were getting everyone they wanted in those days.

metsmarathon
Jan 29 2009 01:28 PM

i guess billy wagner would be on the downside, like pedro?

what about kaz?

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 29 2009 01:34 PM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3gi4tcwe]This question is a little weird in that for many guys "primes" "superstar-ness" and "Free agency" don't necessarily align. Like, Pedro Martinez for example.[/quote:3gi4tcwe]

Sure, not everyone's prime occurs at the same chronological point in time. And then there are some primes that are not worth having, no matter when they happen. Like the prime of Tom Hausman.

I was going for superstars in their prime based on the consensus thinking at the time of the player's free agency. This would increase the likelihood of intense competitive bidding. This is just one crude way of measuring how the Mets fared historically in obtaining the marquee free agents.

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 29 2009 02:00 PM

Bonilla was the first time they got the big number one most-coveted free agent.

Beltran was probably the second time.

It would be interesting, perhaps, to go season-by-season and see who got the big guy. I'm sure the Yankees would win this contest, but there might be some surprises among the results.

Edgy DC
Jan 29 2009 02:07 PM

Two wins for the Royals might be David Cone and Mark Davis.

I think it's unfair to not count re-signings of players in the open market place like Piazza, though.

Frayed Knot
Jan 29 2009 02:11 PM

Plus, one can't discount something like the Glavine signing because he wasn't in his prime in support of a piece that whines about not signing Lowe.

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 29 2009 02:12 PM

Piazza never got into the open marketplace. The Mets signed him before other teams were eligible to talk to him.

The Mets first big-money acquisition, by the way, was George Foster, who the Mets traded for prior to the 1982 season and signed to a whopping $2 million-per-year contract. Even though he wasn't a free agent signing, he was a very high profile, very coveted player. It was the first time the Mets jumped in and played with the big boys.

Since it turned out so poorly it can be easy to forget just how big and exciting that deal was.

seawolf17
Jan 29 2009 02:14 PM

="Edgy DC":10i03g5o]I tried to post something long, but it limits you to like 350 characters, so you have to post it one paragraph at a time.[/quote:10i03g5o]
Post a link to my post; I don't feel like creating another account I'm never going to use.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 29 2009 02:16 PM

I always rate Foster as the most dissapointing Met acqusition. Foster's last Reds season ('81) was MVP caliber. At the time the Mets got him, Foster would've been on anyone's short list of the half dozen or so best hitters in baseball.

Edgy DC
Jan 29 2009 02:17 PM

You can just click the facebook button and your account is automatically set up.

Edgy DC
Jan 29 2009 02:19 PM

I've got no problem seeing trade-and-sign deals as just as smoove a move as a free-agent signing.

Willets Point
Jan 29 2009 02:50 PM

Nothing in that article that I haven't seen here on the Crane Pool as well. The only thing he misses is saying how much Jose Reyes sucks.

seawolf17
Jan 30 2009 08:38 AM

I was just about to log on and post that, but you beat me to it. Thanks.

Edgy DC
Jan 30 2009 08:47 AM

I tried. I think my first post, crediting you, was killed.

As things have slowed down here, I've gone elsewhere on the internet to be a pain in the ass.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 30 2009 08:49 AM

Yeah this place is dead, man.