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="MFS62":2d2x4bvu]A
What happened?
Was it well attended?
Later[/quote:2d2x4bvu]
They forced Wilpon to sign Manny and it was very well attended.
Chris Carlin's head exploded from shouting so much.
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MFS62
Jan 29 2009 06:04 PM
Re: "We Want Manny" Rally
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="metirish":muv5gkxm]="MFS62":muv5gkxm]A
What happened?
Was it well attended?
Later[/quote:muv5gkxm]
They forced Wilpon to sign Manny and it was very well attended.
Chris Carlin's head exploded from shouting so much.[/quote:muv5gkxm]
Thumbs up.
On both.
Later
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Centerfield
Jan 30 2009 07:42 AM
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Just get him Wilpons. You've already lost $300 million. What's another 25 to 50?
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Frayed Knot
Jan 30 2009 07:43 AM
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I was just thinking about a similar, though much better attended, 'We Want Favre' rally held about 6 months ago and wondering how many of those who were there are still happy with the results of all their chanting and pleading.
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Edgy DC
Jan 30 2009 07:44 AM
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I'm holding a Muck Fanny! rally this weekend as well. I hope it's as well attended.
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RealityChuck
Jan 30 2009 08:03 AM
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Gedankenexperiment:
How many people at the "Sign Manny" rally will be booing if we sign him and he goes 0 for 12 in his first three games?
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SteveJRogers
Jan 30 2009 10:03 AM
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="RealityChuck":6rlyuypy]Gedankenexperiment:
How many people at the "Sign Manny" rally will be booing if we sign him and he goes 0 for 12 in his first three games?[/quote:6rlyuypy]
Not only that, how about when all the things that caused him to be persona non grata in Boston rear it's ugly head. You can only take "Manny being Manny" so much.
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seawolf17
Jan 30 2009 10:06 AM
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Centerfield
Jan 30 2009 10:22 AM
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Email that to Wilpon.
I heard that Boras (in disguise) was one of the guys heading up the chants.
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Edgy DC
Jan 30 2009 10:24 AM
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Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, they can have their next meeting in my lap.
Not sure what I mean by that.
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Centerfield
Jan 30 2009 11:11 AM
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Probably the same thing I meant when I said that Mets should design a patch featuring my ass.
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Edgy DC
Jan 30 2009 01:51 PM
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Mooks. All of youse. Mooks.
<img src="http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2009_01_manram1.jpg">
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<img src="http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2009_01_manram3.jpg">
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http://gothamist.com/2009/01/30/mets_fa ... manram.php
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Centerfield
Jan 31 2009 07:39 AM
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You know, if we really wanted Manny, we'd ask Mike Francesa to make it happen.
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MFS62
Jan 31 2009 08:09 AM
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="Centerfield":yqwks2q2]Just get him Wilpons. You've already lost $300 million. What's another 25 to 50?[/quote:yqwks2q2]
So, there could be another rally. It would be for Mets fans who want the team to get a premier slugger, but are sensitive to the Wilpons' financial situation.
Didn't Barry Bonds say that he would work for major league minimum?
Well ... ?
(I'm taking my tongue out of my cheek now)
Later
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dgwphotography
Jan 31 2009 08:11 AM
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I can't believe someone desecrated a Kelvin Torve jersey like that...
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Nymr83
Jan 31 2009 02:00 PM
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="Centerfield":3e8zl7im]You know, if we really wanted Manny, we'd ask Mike Francesa to make it happen.[/quote:3e8zl7im]
i havent even listened to the fat slob since mad dog left, whats he have to do with anything
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SteveJRogers
Jan 31 2009 04:41 PM
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="Nymr83":jel5ptoj]="Centerfield":jel5ptoj]You know, if we really wanted Manny, we'd ask Mike Francesa to make it happen.[/quote:jel5ptoj]
i havent even listened to the fat slob since mad dog left, whats he have to do with anything[/quote:jel5ptoj]
I think it is just a reference to him constantly demanding that something SHOULD happen, no debates.
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metsmarathon
Jan 31 2009 08:45 PM
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or the fact that, if you listen to him tell it, he's the reason the mets got piazza way back when.
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SteveJRogers
Jan 31 2009 08:50 PM
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="metsmarathon":192yr4eq]or the fact that, if you listen to him tell it, he's the reason the mets got piazza way back when.[/quote:192yr4eq]
Well there is truth to that.
Apparently Wilpon and Phillips were both okay with not going after Piazza and sticking with Hundley, even with him on the shelf.
Then Nelson Doubleday just happened to hear the show while both Mike and Chris were ranting about the Mets getting the guy. Next thing you know, Nelson tells Phillips to make the move.
That story became so well known that when Mike Piazza first appeared on with Mike & Chris he says "Oh yeah, just wanted to say thanks for getting me here!"
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batmagadanleadoff
Jan 31 2009 09:24 PM
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="SteveJRogers":2p4dcmq4]="metsmarathon":2p4dcmq4]or the fact that, if you listen to him tell it, he's the reason the mets got piazza way back when.[/quote:2p4dcmq4]
Well there is truth to that.
Apparently Wilpon and Phillips were both okay with not going after Piazza and sticking with Hundley, even with him on the shelf.
Then Nelson Doubleday just happened to hear the show while both Mike and Chris were ranting about the Mets getting the guy. Next thing you know, Nelson tells Phillips to make the move.
That story became so well known that when Mike Piazza first appeared on with Mike & Chris he says "Oh yeah, just wanted to say thanks for getting me here!"[/quote:2p4dcmq4]
I believe this story. Well, not really. But it is consistent with my low perception of our owner, Fred Wilpon.
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Frayed Knot
Feb 01 2009 08:14 AM
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| ]Well there is truth to that. |
Well there is speculation about that.
Phillips' line of thing was that with a catcher already under contract the "chips" might be best spent elsewhere or maybe saved for another day.
But then the boss whispered (asked?, pleaded?, demanded?) in his ear he changed his tune and started looking into things. Whether Doubleday's action was as the result of the M&MD scream-a-thon is up to interpretation and even the duo never claimed that they were anything other than a small part in it.
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Centerfield
Feb 02 2009 08:29 AM
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The Piazza rumor is what I was alluding to.
I didn't think anyone really believed that rumor except the die-hard listeners of that show, but you learn something new every day.
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metsmarathon
Feb 02 2009 08:33 AM
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well, it is steve.
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Edgy DC
Feb 02 2009 08:50 AM
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I think this should be called the "We Want Attention" rally.
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SteveJRogers
Feb 02 2009 09:55 AM
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="Centerfield":1okcvwit]The Piazza rumor is what I was alluding to.
I didn't think anyone really believed that rumor except the die-hard listeners of that show, but you learn something new every day.[/quote:1okcvwit]
Actually it is more of the anti-Wilpon/Phillips and/or pro-Doubleday faction of Met fans that believe that rumor more so than any WFAN listener.
As Frayed said, even Mike & Chris have down played it over the years.
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SteveJRogers
Feb 02 2009 09:56 AM
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There is apparantly a second rally this week.
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batmagadanleadoff
Feb 02 2009 10:05 AM
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="SteveJRogers":1jsdgsxe]There is apparantly a second rally this week.[/quote:1jsdgsxe]
That's great. Maybe they can get Piazza to unretire. I hope someone there remembers to rally for better tasting hot dogs, too.
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Edgy DC
Feb 02 2009 10:06 AM
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The idea that the team makes decisions based on the loudest howling of the galoots is a fantasy of the loudest galoots.
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batmagadanleadoff
Feb 02 2009 10:08 AM
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="Edgy DC":qq882pog]The idea that the team makes decisions based on the loudest howling of the galoots is a fantasy of the loudest galoots.[/quote:qq882pog]
Galoots? Were you watching TCM last night? Paul Muni's character's favorite word was "galoots".
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Benjamin Grimm
Feb 02 2009 11:11 AM
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="Edgy DC":241ookcj]The idea that the team makes decisions based on the loudest howling of the galoots is a fantasy of the loudest galoots.[/quote:241ookcj]
Well, yes, but you often mention that, for example, we (the fans) share in the responsibility for Shea's destruction because we didn't advocate strongly enough or loudly enough for its continued existence.
These guys, whether you agree with them or not, are trying to wield whatever influence they may have in order to get their desired result.
They may be a bunch of loudmouth goofballs, and you may not agree with their position, but aren't they doing what they ought to be doing?
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Edgy DC
Feb 02 2009 11:18 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 02 2009 11:48 AM
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I'm all for advocating, it's true. But there's got to be some real responsiblity.
I'm against the jungle advocacy or street rallies around such slogans as "Do It, Omar!" and calling hang-up radio shows.
I'm also against the sort of two-faced advocacy that allows you to demand the same sort of moves that the advocate is ripping them for making in the past. (See: [url=http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=10923:t7bvepsr]Waaaa[/url:t7bvepsr]!)
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G-Fafif
Feb 02 2009 11:44 AM
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="Edgy DC":qsnlyp29]I'm all for advocating, it's true. But there's got to be some real responsiblity.
I'm against the jungle advocacy or street rallies around such slogans as "Do It, Omar!" and calling hang-up radio shows.[/quote:qsnlyp29]
Appoint yourself their spiritual guide. "Hey fellas, instead of waving the signs, you should..."
What?
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Edgy DC
Feb 02 2009 11:46 AM
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Post on a website that nobody reads, of course.
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G-Fafif
Feb 02 2009 11:47 AM
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Do that, and Manny signs, you can always take credit.
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Edgy DC
Feb 02 2009 12:05 PM
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And to be fair, my frustration with the end of Shea is the lamentations of people who did advocate for its destruction.
Just as my frustration with rallyers who push for an aggressive spending-spree pursuit of veterans portrayed as prima donnas tend also to have pushed for that in the past, only to rip the Mets when those moves haven't worked out, and go on to portray those failed veteran imports as prima donnas that the Mets should have been smart enough to avoid.
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G-Fafif
Feb 02 2009 12:12 PM
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Consistency in philosophy is always going to take it to whatever might work best at any given moment within the realm of a pastime measured in wins and losses. The Mets shouldn't spend a lot of money on old players who are bad fits, unless it seems like a really good idea right now and we need a power-hitting leftfielder, cost, age and potential personality conflicts be damned. The Mets shouldn't replace the ballpark that defines their character and soul, but they've got to get a new ballpark that doesn't form puddles just by staring at it.
Fans want results and gratification. Relatively few get hung up on how to get both or why either is elusive.
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Edgy DC
Feb 02 2009 12:15 PM
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It's that last sentence that gets to me.
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G-Fafif
Feb 02 2009 12:21 PM
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WE WANT MANNY!!!
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G-Fafif
Feb 03 2009 07:35 AM
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| ]Relatively few get hung up on how to get both or why either is elusive. |
| ]It's that last sentence that gets to me. |
Rooting for a baseball team isn't math class. You're not required to show your work.
That said, here's Casey Stengel's 10-80-10 formula as related by Don Rowe in William Ryczek's sublime [url=http://www.amazon.com/Amazin-Mets-1962-1969-William-Ryczek/dp/0786432144]The Amazin' Mets 1962-1969[/url], best history I've ever read of that period (if you're going to read two books about the Mets this year, make this your second...after you've secured a copy of [url=http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Fear-Flushing-Death-Baseball/dp/1602396817/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233671552&sr=1-1]your first[/url], he said crassly).
| ]Ten percent of the people in this stadium knew what was going on. Eighty percent think they knew what was going on but they don't. See those drunks out in centerfield who are beating on each other? That ten percent don't know and don't care. If you use that philosophy, the fans will never bother you because you'll be able to put them in whatever category you want. |
The Manny marchers, incidentally, are probably descended from the placard wavers who populated the Polo Grounds. They may have distracted Casey. They probably won't distract Omar.
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RealityChuck
Feb 03 2009 07:41 AM
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The team might end up losing $20 million a year of income if the Citi Field naming rights thing falls apart (and it's looking more likely it will). They'll have to pony up at least that much a year for Manny, so the bottom line is they're probably out $40+ million.
Are the people rallying for Manny also rallying for keeping the Citi Field naming rights (and payments)? Because if they're not, they're being delusional.
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G-Fafif
Feb 03 2009 07:45 AM
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="RealityChuck":1wjua3of]Are the people rallying for Manny also rallying for keeping the Citi Field naming rights (and payments)? Because if they're not, they're being delusional.[/quote:1wjua3of]
My guess is they're as delusional as those chanting "Let's Go Mets" in 1963. Probably more so.
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Edgy DC
Feb 03 2009 07:58 AM
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Can we glean anything from the fact that the Red Sox --- the rich, smart, informed team we hope ours will one day be, employing Bill James and all and defending a championship --- traded Ramirez in the heat of a race?
That shouldn't kill the notion, but shouldn't it humble folks a bit in their demands that this is a no-brainer?
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G-Fafif
Feb 03 2009 08:05 AM
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| ]Can we glean anything from the fact that the Red Sox --- the rich, smart, informed team we hope ours will one day be, employing Bill James and all and defending a championship --- traded Ramirez in the heat of a race?
That shouldn't kill the notion, but shouldn't it humble folks a bit in their demands that this is a no-brainer? |
The team that traded Manny got to the LCS. So did the team that acquired Manny. It's the Manny who went to L.A. people remember, not the Manny who got himself run out of Boston. Every time you see a clip package of Manny highlights, there's nothing sullen from his last days with the Red Sox. It's all home runs and smiles with the Dodgers.
That's the part of the fan brain that's working this cold winter.
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Centerfield
Feb 03 2009 08:06 AM
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I think we may have set some sort of record for assumptions in a single thread.
="SteveJRogers":a9e7kszf]Not only that, how about when all the things that caused him to be persona non grata in Boston rear it's ugly head. You can only take "Manny being Manny" so much.[/quote:a9e7kszf]
Manny reared his ugly head in Boston to the tune of a .927 OPS, which would have led all Mets. In July, he quit on the Red Sox by bumping that to 1.060. Afterwards, he got hot.
="SteveJRogers":a9e7kszf]Well there is truth to [Francesa and Russo being responsible for delivering Piazza].[/quote:a9e7kszf]
No. There may be truth. It is all based upon speculation created by callers of the show who wanted to pat themselves on the back.
="Edgy DC":a9e7kszf]I'm all for advocating, it's true. But there's got to be some real responsiblity.[/quote:a9e7kszf]
There is nothing here indicating that any of the street rallyers lack responsibility. They might all have legitimate plans.
="Edgy DC":a9e7kszf]I'm against the jungle advocacy or street rallies around such slogans as "Do It, Omar!" and calling hang-up radio shows. [/quote:a9e7kszf]
This is not an assumption, but I'm just wondering why you would prefer one form of advocacy over another.
="Edgy DC":a9e7kszf]I'm also against the sort of two-faced advocacy that allows you to demand the same sort of moves that the advocate is ripping them for making in the past. (See: Waaaa!) [/quote:a9e7kszf]
Nothing here suggests any of the rallyers are that type of fan.
="Edgy DC":a9e7kszf]Just as my frustration with rallyers who push for an aggressive spending-spree pursuit of veterans portrayed as prima donnas tend also to have pushed for that in the past, only to rip the Mets when those moves haven't worked out, and go on to portray those failed veteran imports as prima donnas that the Mets should have been smart enough to avoid.[/quote:a9e7kszf]
Again, it is faulty to undermine the rallyers' credibility by unfairly associating with hypocritical thinking. There is nothing to suggest these rallyers think in that manner.
="RealityChuck":a9e7kszf]Are the people rallying for Manny also rallying for keeping the Citi Field naming rights (and payments)? Because if they're not, they're being delusional.[/quote:a9e7kszf]
Are you aware of any out clause in the contract? Because my understanding of contracts is that if Citifield tries to back out, they are subject to damages.
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Centerfield
Feb 03 2009 08:09 AM
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="Edgy DC":1p7alcyl]Can we glean anything from the fact that the Red Sox --- the rich, smart, informed team we hope ours will one day be, employing Bill James and all and defending a championship --- traded Ramirez in the heat of a race?
That shouldn't kill the notion, but shouldn't it humble folks a bit in their demands that this is a no-brainer?[/quote:1p7alcyl]
I think the LCS demonstrated how much they missed Manny's bat. Especially if you turned the channel and watched what he was doing wearing blue.
Also throw in the two World Series titles they won with him anchoring the lineup.
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Edgy DC
Feb 03 2009 08:30 AM
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I'm aware of that and if louts were being loutish in killing the idea I'd feel similarly.
It's a delicate choice, and no no-brainer by any stretch.
Wasn't it your wife who said that we'd get David Ortiz when his weight hit 300 and his knees were shot?
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Edgy DC
Feb 06 2009 08:28 AM
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| ="<i>Newsday</i>"]Million Manny March only brings 10-15 Mets fans
BY KATIE STRANG | caitlin.strang@newsday.com
February 6, 2009
Compared to last week, the smattering of Mets fans willing to brave the cold outside SNY studios in Manhattan for the second "Million Manny March" accurately reflected the team's likelihood of landing Manny Ramirez - rapidly dwindling.
About 50 fans gathered to chant and implore Mets management to sign the free-agent slugger last week, but only 10 to 15 people appeared for the second rally.
"I wanted to promote the cause and get Manny over here, plain and simple," said Gustavo Medina, 20, of Ridgewood, Queens. "If we have a power bat like Manny, and you plug him between Carlos Beltran and Carlos Delgado, you're gonna have a respected lineup and an outstanding New York Mets club in 2009."
Even though general manager Omar Minaya has been emphatic in dismissing fans' hopes of signing Ramirez, Medina thinks it remains a possibility.
"Omar Minaya has coveted that man since high school," Medina said.
Holding up the other end of Medina's sign was Cliff Korn, 38, of Manhattan, who said the acquisition still could happen even though Minaya has ruled it out.
"Minaya likes to make the big splash," Korn said, citing previous players who ended up in Flushing when it initially looked unlikely. "I think it's possible."
Medina said they won't be deterred until adding Manny no longer is possible.
When will they stop congregating?
"When he signs somewhere else," Medina said.
Added Korn, "And then we'll start rallying for Matt Holliday." |
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 06 2009 08:31 AM
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Katie Strang, bringin it strong.
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Edgy DC
Feb 06 2009 08:35 AM
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Great cub reporter assignment. Hey, Katie, go out in the cold and talk to some quixotic mooks.
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seawolf17
Feb 06 2009 09:13 AM
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For a quick second, I read that as Gustavo Molina.
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Frayed Knot
Feb 06 2009 10:34 AM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1v6ar1zc]Katie Strang, bringin it strong.[/quote:1v6ar1zc]
Considering that the only other time I've seen her name in Newsday sports is when she's covering human cockfighti ... I mean the "Mixed Martial Arts" scene, I suppose that talking to idiot Met fans in sub-freezing weather isn't so bad.
Or maybe she's an MMA groupie and enjoys that stuff, who knows.
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