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IGT 9/2/05 - Mets vs. Marlins

Valadius Sep 02 2005 06:20 PM

Mets Reyes SS Cairo 2B Beltran CF Floyd LF Wright 3B Woodward 1B Diaz RF Castro C Zambrano P Marlins Pierre CF Castillo 2B Cabrera LF Delgado 1B Encarnacion RF Lo Duca C Lowell 3B Gonzalez SS Willis P Pitching Matchup: Zambrano (7-10, 4.07) vs. Willis (18-8, 2.61)

Valadius Sep 02 2005 06:23 PM

Notes from yesterday: NEW YORK: Mets pitcher Kris Benson and his wife, Anna, presented a $50,000 check before the game to Tuesday's Children. The money will benefit children who lost a parent in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. ... C-OF Mike Jacobs was selected MVP of the Eastern League. He hit .321 with 25 homers and 93 RBIs for Double-A Binghamton before he was brought up Aug. 17. ... August completed four straight months of .500 or better for the Mets for the first time since May-August 2000. ... 1B Doug Mientkiewicz, on the DL since Aug. 9 with a bruised lower back, is to rejoin the Mets on Friday at Florida.

Valadius Sep 02 2005 06:42 PM

Willie's trotting Miguel Cairo out at second once again tonight. Does the man have EYES?

Elster88 Sep 02 2005 06:55 PM

If the Mets lose tonight I am switching allegiances. I just have to decide which team. I've narrowed it down to Milwaukee, Arizona, and Detroit.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 07:26 PM

Starting him is bad enough, but why bat him second? It makes NO SENSE at all.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 07:52 PM

Reyes ground out to second. Cairo singled to left center. Beltran ground into a fielder's choice--Cairo out at second. Floyd ground out to second. Bottom: Pierre ground out to first. Castillo singled to right. Cabrera struck out looking.

Valadius Sep 02 2005 07:56 PM

Where is everybody?

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 07:57 PM

Zambrano walks Delgado.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 07:57 PM

Elster88 wrote: If the Mets lose tonight I am switching allegiances. I just have to decide which team. I've narrowed it down to Milwaukee, Arizona, and Detroit. .....dont even. Hardy88? Councell88? Guillen88? None of em sound right.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 07:58 PM

And Encarnacio singles in Castillo. Looks like it's going to be one of those nights . . .

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:00 PM

LoDuca grounds out. Zambrano up to 32 pitches already. 1-0 Marlins heading into the second.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:00 PM

well, the Phills pitchers arent all that but Myers and Lieber looked like ace's last two, so this series is gonna be all uphill vs Florida's fine rotation. Mets have to hit, and its a tuff assignment they got here with Willis.

Valadius Sep 02 2005 08:05 PM

Cairo actually got a hit. I'm stunned.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:05 PM

- D. Wright struck out swinging - C. Woodward lined out to first - V. Diaz lined out to right

Elster88 Sep 02 2005 08:05 PM

Zvon wrote: ="Elster88"]If the Mets lose tonight I am switching allegiances. I just have to decide which team. I've narrowed it down to Milwaukee, Arizona, and Detroit. .....dont even. Hardy88? Councell88? Guillen88? None of em sound right. That's because none of them ever played 88 straight games without an error at short. Maybe Guillen15, or whatever his top number is.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:07 PM

not on TV here, so Ill do the color commentary and inject silly things like my last post from time to time. Not a great start. Wheres Trachsel? Start gettin him warm now for the 6th inning

Valadius Sep 02 2005 08:07 PM

Willis is a damn good hitter for a pitcher.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:08 PM

Elster88 wrote: ="Zvon"] Elster88 wrote: If the Mets lose tonight I am switching allegiances. I just have to decide which team. I've narrowed it down to Milwaukee, Arizona, and Detroit. .....dont even. Hardy88? Councell88? Guillen88? None of em sound right. That's because none of them ever played 88 straight games without an error at short. Maybe Guillen15, or whatever his top number is. so Guillen15? *Zvon uses two fingers to promote self hurling*

Elster88 Sep 02 2005 08:10 PM

Zvon wrote: so Guillen15? *Zvon uses two fingers to promote self hurling* LOL. I'm not going anywhere, just kidding around. I've seen people switch allegiances before and they were picking out of a group of a few teams, so I figured I'd give it a try.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:12 PM

Valadius wrote: Willis is a damn good hitter for a pitcher. who's side are you on? Willis singles. At least Cairo made you bite your tongue that 1st time up :wink:

TheOldMole Sep 02 2005 08:12 PM

People switching allegiances? Can it be? Not here...surely....

TheOldMole Sep 02 2005 08:13 PM

Out at home, as Cliffie doesn't let his hitting slump affect his fielding.

Valadius Sep 02 2005 08:16 PM

And Zambrano gets out of a jam.

Elster88 Sep 02 2005 08:17 PM

Castro with a double. Not a hard hit ball, but right down the line. Fran said he hammered the ball, but he really didn't. Good job none the less.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:18 PM

Well, Zambrano IS getting more efficient. Only 21 pitches that inning.

Elster88 Sep 02 2005 08:18 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 02 2005 08:20 PM

Zambrano looks like a shitty bunter. His second attempt went into the third row of the seats over the dugout. The bunt is off now with two strikes. _____________________________ This post was the last post Elster88 made under the designation 166) Pete Schourek

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:20 PM

Elster88 wrote: ="Zvon"]so Guillen15? *Zvon uses two fingers to promote self hurling* LOL. I'm not going anywhere, just kidding around. I've seen people switch allegiances before and they were picking out of a group of a few teams, so I figured I'd give it a try. whew. Yea, Ive seen people do that too, like they are changing shoes or something. My blue and orange loafers suck....they dont make me look good. Aint gonna wear em. Now, do the beige corn , purple suede, or black/red shiny ones look better with these pants? Or the clown shoes. Maybe the size 33 clown shoes will look good. These people do make me blow chunks.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:21 PM

You'd think he'd be able to bunt. He DID start off as an infielder, after all.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:23 PM

there ya go. Reyes ties it. Nice. I hope Zambrano is settling in.(pitching wise)

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:24 PM

Reyes singles home Castro!

Valadius Sep 02 2005 08:26 PM

At least we're going toe-to-toe.

Centerfield Sep 02 2005 08:26 PM

Wow, Fran is never going to learn how to pronounce "Encarnacion" is he...

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:27 PM

Was that a botched hit and run play?

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:31 PM

Consecutive one-out singles by Delgado, Encarnacion & LoDuca load the bases and Lowell hits a sac fly to give the Marlins the lead. Can we say, "We told you so" yet to Willie, or do we have to wait?

Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 08:32 PM

This 9-day rest isn't really working for Victor, nor us.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:32 PM

what Im seein (Yahoo Statracker) is that Zamby gave it right back and the bases are loaded. 2 outs tho. lets only give em the 1 Zam.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:34 PM

Zambrano hits Gonzalez to load the bases for Willis.

Frayed Knot Sep 02 2005 08:35 PM

Zambrano's not getting hit hard, but he's sure getting hit often.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:35 PM

3 singles and a sac and we give it right back. Could be worse. makes me wonder If the Mets will use their lumber. okay......ill stop. My poems are a flop. :oops:

Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 08:36 PM

He's limiting what damage you might expect given all the baserunners he'd seen, but all them pitches (73 thru 3!) will add up to an early KO.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:36 PM

Who grounds ou to second to end the inning. whew. 73 pitches

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:40 PM

I would say that Zambrano is getting lucky, rather than crediting him with limiting the damage. 10 of the 18 batters he's faced have reached. That's absolutely, staggeringly terrible. And he's been doing shit like this all season.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:41 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: He's limiting what damage you might expect given all the baserunners he'd seen, but all them pitches (73 thru 3!) will add up to an early KO. could this be termed 'an emergency'? j/k, no way will they use Trachsel to relieve Zambrano. Unless, of course, they are playing to win and arent concerened with media BS or bad publicity spins.

Frayed Knot Sep 02 2005 08:42 PM

Trax is slated to start on Monday. He's not an option here.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:47 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Trax is slated to start on Monday. He's not an option here. really. Didnt know that. Last I heard he was gonna throw a sim game.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:47 PM

Zambrano strikes out Pierre, then Castillo triples to center. If Zambrano gets out of this inning, I bet we see Padilla in there.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:50 PM

Fish dont plate that triple. Zambrano gets out of another fine mess. Heilmans up in the pen, and hes sched to bat, so thats probly it for him.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:51 PM

Trachs threw a simulated game last night, and apparently was pretty funny about it. Things like "I'm 16-0 in simulated games" and "I heard I was traded to the simulated Red Sox last week," etc. Cabrera grounded out, then Delgado flew out to left to strand Castillo at third.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 08:55 PM

Ive got to be reading this wrong. Must be a webglitch. Zambrano batted? with the tying run on 2nd?

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 08:58 PM

Diaz singles, then advances to second on a wild pitch. Castro grounds out to third, Zambrano strikes out, and it's up to Reyes again. I really, really, really don't get leaving Zambrano in there. He's at 85 pitches and has allowed almost three baserunners per inning. And Reyes grounds out to end it. Motherfucker, Willie, do you WANT to lose?

Zvon Sep 02 2005 09:00 PM

normally Id be okay with a move like that this early in the game, but Zamb has thrown 84 pitches thru 4 innings, and 'sounds' ineffective, even tho he's bailed himself out of jams a number of times now. And why have anyone up in the pen?

duan Sep 02 2005 09:06 PM

of course Zambrano responds to being left in by cruising thorugh the 5th. Unfortunately so does Willis getting the mets 1,2,3 in about 10 pitches.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 09:07 PM

Well, for the first time today, Zambrano gets them 1-2-3. But we're still down by one.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 09:09 PM

well, he 1-2-3rd em in the 5th. But instilling confidence in any one player can only go so far. If Zambrano blanks em for the rest of the game, win or lose Willie dont look too bad. And he rests the rests a bit. This is gonna be a long road trip vs the top teams. I believe you should play each game to win(at this point) with what you have right in front of you, like a guy on second and 1 out. But second guessing managers is easy from this seat. Im sure theres depth to his decision.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 09:10 PM

Zambrano trotted back out there for the 6th at 95 pitches. There's a good idea.

duan Sep 02 2005 09:16 PM

how'd willis double happen (good hit/bad fielding) and same question with the runscoring single. "ground ball" to Carlos Beltran reeks of "Miguel Cairo has no range"

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 09:16 PM

]If Zambrano blanks em for the rest of the game, win or lose Willie dont look too bad. And he rests the rests a bit. This is gonna be a long road trip vs the top teams. I totally agree, but we now have an extra three pitchers in our bullpen. If we're not going to use them, why carry them on the roster? And we've been struggling for so long to score runs, you've just GOT to try to get that run home.

Sandgnat Sep 02 2005 09:17 PM

anybody else have a problem with them bringing the infield in there? I know they are having problems scoring runs, but its only the 6th. With the bases loaded and no outs, I'd rather see them try to get two and stop the potential big inning.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 09:19 PM

I'm sorry but WIllie's a fucking moron. Zambrano gives up a single & a double after over 100 pitches and he leaves him in there to face the top of the order with no outs? It makes no sense at all.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 09:19 PM

of course, if Zambrano does stuff like give up a double to the opposing pitcher, Willie may have to address all the second guesses after the game. And what we have discussed here will be one of the 1st questions he will be asked. Hope he got a good answer. Pierre singles,.....that 3 in a row, tick,tack,toe. Mets down 3-1 and stickin with Zam was a damnscamwhamblamjamblah questionable move. had to get 3 more innings out of him ,at least, to make passing on that oppotunity to score worth while. Heilman takes the helm.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 09:21 PM

This game has robbed me of my Metmerization.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 09:26 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: This game has robbed me of my Metmerization. Call the Metrocops! Dicks been robbed!

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 09:31 PM

What happened on that fielder's chioce? At any rate, Heilman ponies up, getting two groundouts, intentionally walking Delgado, then striking out Encarnacion & LoDuca. Nice work, Aaron.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 09:36 PM

Rotblatt wrote: What happened on that fielder's chioce? At any rate, Heilman ponies up, getting two groundouts, intentionally walking Delgado, then striking out Encarnacion & LoDuca. Nice work, Aaron. yes, the 2 Ks were huge. 4-1 tho, and Willis has been keepin the Mets at bay ,having them scatter 4 hits thru 7.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 09:40 PM

this is how the game looks to me, and i dont mean to make you guys relive that last inning, but I think I have a legitimate complaint when I point out that Floyd and Beltran are playin way too deep. If this stretches the thread too much im gonna delete soon after.

Edgy DC Sep 02 2005 09:46 PM

Cairo battting? Grrr.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 09:51 PM

The fielder's choice was a terrible decisionm by Cairo to go home -- play wasn't even close. Watch for Padilla as he walks off the mound after this inning -- hat off or not?

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 09:51 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 02 2005 09:52 PM

Aaron wants to win. 4 strikeouts, a groundout & a popup. Good stuff. A 3-run homer by Cairo would tie it up. hee-hee. I'm fucking hilarious.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 09:51 PM

I am gonna delete that post. The joke aint worth the stretching

Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 09:52 PM

We won't know. Here comes Hamulack, making his first appearance in MLB.

TheOldMole Sep 02 2005 09:52 PM

First look at Hamulak.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 09:54 PM

Wierd. Yahoo! told me that Matsui & Reyes had each singled, but then it showed the inning over after Reys & Cairo popped up. What happened?

TheOldMole Sep 02 2005 09:54 PM

And he looks OK. One up, one down.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 09:55 PM

Hamulack looks like a tall, gum-chewing Rick Petersen.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 09:55 PM

I don't get taking Padilla out there. He's done very well against lefties this year. It's completely and utterly gratuitous.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 09:57 PM

cant delete here i guess. Should I edit that big image out Edge?

Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 09:57 PM

After Matsui reached, Reyes popped up the first pitch to 2B. Cairo did what Cairo does: hacked himself into a bad count and grounded out. Beltran puts the Mets in biz.

Edgy DC Sep 02 2005 10:01 PM

Cliff still trying to do to much.

Edgy DC Sep 02 2005 10:02 PM

Tying run at the plate. Looked like Beltran missed third. Don't tell.

Edgy DC Sep 02 2005 10:02 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 02 2005 10:04 PM

Met's lacking a slugger on the bench still, aren't they. Oe: Except Jacobs, if they go to Jones.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 10:03 PM

Wright fights off a shitload of nasty inside stuff and muscle an RBI single up the middle. That's at least 3 tiumes in the last three games that a mighty shot by Floyd has been tracked down at the fence. Here comes noted homophobic Todd Jones to try and close it: Woody, then Diaz represent the tying run.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 10:04 PM

Way to go, D-Wright! Well, we've got Jacobs & Mientkiewicz off the bench, but they're both lefties. Although Mientkiewicz has had some nice at bats against tough lefties this year . . .

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 10:06 PM

Okay, so with Jones up, we need to pinch hit for Woody. Do we use Anderson, Jacobs or Mientkiewicz? I'd go with Mientkiewicz, personally, but I have an unhealthy obsession with him. Willie will probably use Marlon. Whaddya think?

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 10:07 PM

Well, Willie agreed with me and Mientiewicz popped up. Up to Victor now.

Edgy DC Sep 02 2005 10:07 PM

Castro --- yes or no? I'll say yo.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 10:08 PM

I'd leave him in there. But I've been wrong a lot tonight.

Rotblatt Sep 02 2005 10:10 PM

Castro strikes out and we've lost 5 of our last 7. I blame WWSB. Again. Zambrano should have been out for a pinch hitter, then Heilman in there for 2--3 innings. And Cairo should never have started. Baseball sucks.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 10:12 PM

Whiffed on 3 pitches as you know by now. Since winning 5 straight, we've lost 5 of 6, the O has gone to total crap, and we've been getting outpitched. I'm just nuts over the Cairo-batting-2nd thing. If WWSB is so afraid to foul up the heart of his order, slot Woody in there for Todd sakes.

Frayed Knot Sep 02 2005 10:12 PM

We ain't gonna win getting 5 or 6 singles a night.

Zvon Sep 02 2005 10:27 PM

i got sidetracked. I see the final, but Ill have to read up here. looks like a dismal loss.

Edgy DC Sep 02 2005 11:13 PM

I'm ready to drop Cairo to about seventh on the depth chart at second. Met fans, choo asked for him. Mientkiewicz was an interesting choice. He had been 2-5 so I got no problem there. But I agree that VZ should have been pinch-hit for, if only because it's September and the team has a lot more bullets. Some bullets, like Mike Jacobs, went un-fired. Welcome to the UMDB, Tim Hamulack.

Valadius Sep 02 2005 11:17 PM

Hooray for Hamulack!!! (Somebody dig up that song from the other thread)

Zvon Sep 03 2005 01:18 AM

so they showed a little sign of life there in the 9th, huh? If they dont get superhot, this is gonna be a depressing seasons end. Piazza may not be back (Ill bet he bats afew times in late Sept for a decent sendoff) Floyd looks sluggish. Like someone said, even when he pops it, it only reaches the fence. He's fatigued at a time we need him all charged up. Not his fault tho, or Willies. Its a long season and he aint no spring chicken. And he got us here. Time for everyone else to pick him up. If Beltran does not crack the 20 homerun platue, thats gonna be a tuff one to swallow. I figured his 1st yr in NY was gonna be an adjustment, but he dont even wack 20?! I still like him and am glad he's here. Ill give him afew years to show his stuff before i start goin off. Ill give Willie afew years at the helm to, before I absolutely start rippin him to shreds if it is dictated that he should get ripped. But I see indications that his use of pitchers may be a weak spot in his plans. You would think Rick Peterson would make that not so, but it seems that Peterson sin may be pride if he is making wishful decisions based on how he wishes things were going to go so all his advice & moves look hunky dory in retrospect. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullett and make adjustments that may reflect personal errors in judgment. Shouldnt be no big thang if the success of the team is your motivation, and not the success of your past moves or advice. Of all the sports known to man, its baseball that makes you most humble. Do i sound a little bummed here? Thats cuz i am. The last 3 have been tuff suckass losses, especially after showing so much life in the Arizona series and the 1st comeback win with the Phils Tues. I was whitt'lin earlier tonight and, and I think it was subconscious, but the block of wood started to resemble a coffin. Im not carvin the Mets name on it yet tho. Not until its mathamatically appropoe.

Rockin' Doc Sep 03 2005 07:59 AM

Well, this was one crappy read. I'm really tired of Zambrano's inconsistency. He supposedly has great "stuff", but I'd prefer results. It's not like he's a young pitcher that's still developing. I think what we currently see from him is what we can expect throughout his tenure with the Mets. Willie seems to have an unhealthy love for middle infielders, particularly Cairo. Cairo is fine in a limited role as a back up. Unfortunately, without a true everyday major league starter for second base, he has received far more playing time than he should. With all of the middle infielders on the Mets bench, there is no real power threat available for pinch hitting other than the recently called up Jacobs. Obviously, this team has a number of holes it will need to address this off season in order for them to be serious contenders for the playoffs in the future. As for this season, they have improved immensely from what we have endured the past three seasons, but unless they get phenomenally hot real soon, they'll be watching the post season at home just like all of us. Somehow, I have a hard time envisioning this team making a sustained run. Sorry, just venting some frustration. This IGT was depressing.