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Mets @ Braves, Labor Day 05

Johnny Dickshot Sep 05 2005 01:03 PM

AFL Reyes Matsui Beltran Floyd Wright Mientkiewicz Castro Diaz Traxxxx =red]CIO Furcal Giles C Jones A Jones Hollandsworthless Francoeur LaRoche Estrada Thomson

Nymr83 Sep 05 2005 01:12 PM

Matsui, in a minor display of doing the right thing, hits it to the right side moving reyes over to third with 1 out.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 01:14 PM

single and a steal and Matsui moves him over.Good ol Reyes on 3rd. Now come on Beltrannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. Y!ESSSSS beltran with the rbi double! thats the way to start it. Im not here 100% but I hope to be soon. 1-0. comeonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Cliffy

Zvon Sep 05 2005 01:31 PM

Met killer Chipper Jones ties it with a laserbeam double. dagnabbitt. Settle in Trachsel..settle in. Get a groove

KC Sep 05 2005 01:34 PM

Cy Traxxxx is looking very human this afternoon.

Frayed Knot Sep 05 2005 01:37 PM

Inning 1: Reyes - 1B & SB Matsui - GO moves Reyes Beltran - 2B to RF Floyd - FO Wright - FO Furcal - chopper back to the mound Giles - 2B CJones - RBI 2B AJones - GO (nice play by Wright) Hollandsworth - BB Francoeur - GO Both pitchers were made to work in the 1st. Thomson (29) & Trax (28) both threw a buncha pitches.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 01:39 PM

Mets had 5 2 out RBIs yesterday. A winning team has to do that chit. That Francouer guy. Keepin him down is big. Ive been watching him cuz i picked him up the week after he came up on one of my fantasy baseball teams, and he has been doing nothing but hitting and driving in runs. The kids sick. Trachsel takes care of him to end the inning, and believe it or not , thats big. 1-1

Nymr83 Sep 05 2005 01:42 PM

we're still in the top of the 2nd? wow. PITCH FASTER!

Johnny Dickshot Sep 05 2005 01:50 PM

Matsui is such a better player than Cairo.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 01:54 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Matsui is such a better player than Cairo. he made a great play on that grounder. HeSgOtDaRaNgE.

Nymr83 Sep 05 2005 01:55 PM

they both suck. we want hernandez now!

Zvon Sep 05 2005 01:59 PM

YEA. Bad hop single for matsui and he steals 2nd. Did you see him bow to the ump at 1st right before that. I think thats kool. Do it again beltran

Frayed Knot Sep 05 2005 02:08 PM

Cliff leaves 2 on after a bunch of loud fouls. 70 pitches for Thomson thru 3.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 02:24 PM

OUCH! damn, that Androo Jones is havin a hellOFaYEAR. 45th homer. he'll probly hit 50, and he cant be juicin. He goes yard on Trash. Atl up. 2-1

Johnny Dickshot Sep 05 2005 02:28 PM

Geez. Another coupla nice plays by Matsui.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 02:28 PM

awsum inning in the field for matsui. Talk about range. Almost robs that single then makes a clean pick of the shorthop linedrive and turns it into a double play. Great play. very niiiiiiiiiice indeed

Zvon Sep 05 2005 02:33 PM

damn that AndrooJones. He looked like he creeped up on that liner. What a catch. Robs Reyes and thats big, keepin him off 1st.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 02:36 PM

I used to love watchin Dykstra dive head 1st into linedrives, but Jones makes it look so smooth. It looked kinda like this:

Zvon Sep 05 2005 02:47 PM

Wright smacks his 37th double. Nice pieceAhitting there. Went with the pitch

Zvon Sep 05 2005 03:10 PM

lead off single for Diaz.........nice. Trachsel blows the bunt....not nice. Reyes check swing grounder gets a Met kinda roll and stays fair! YES! 1st & 2nd, one out....Matsui. ComeONNNNNNNNNNNNNN.......... ouch....he swung at ball 4 twice and fouled it. and he gets the walk. bases juiced. One out. We have to plate a run here, with Beltran up. Ill take it anyway we can get it.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 05 2005 03:13 PM

Let's just face it: Beltran sucks.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 03:13 PM

OMG and shit on a stick. beltran hits the fly and Francouer throws Diaz out at the plate on the tag. Double play What a throw. DAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMN

TheOldMole Sep 05 2005 03:14 PM

Double fucking play.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 03:21 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Let's just face it: Beltran sucks. he aint livin up to his contract, but Im not the one payin him. Diaz shoulda bowled estrada over there and removed him from the game with extreme prejiduce. Now the Braves get the lead off double and tag up on beltran. Beltran dont even make it look close with that throw. Mets appeal, to no avail. Trachel has done what he does over 90% of the games he starts (not sure if that a real or accurate stat) goes deep into a game and keeps his team in it. He has pitched well so far, but if the Braves score here it takes alot of wind out of our sails. Big K for the 2nd out. get out of it trashy

Zvon Sep 05 2005 03:27 PM

whew.........he gets out of it. No matter what happens (if trash should pitch more, and he might if he dont bat this inning,up to 95 pitches) I think Trachsel has pitched a fine game here. You hold the Braves to 2 runs in a game like this during the stretch run, you should hit and beat em. Damn that shift on Floyd. a basehit is a wicked groundout. *Z shakes his fist at the TV* DAMN YOU BOBBY COX!!!!!

Johnny Dickshot Sep 05 2005 03:30 PM

That's how you do a sacfly.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 03:34 PM

huminahuminahuminaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Wright walks. Mienky singles him to third. And he just slides in safe taggin up on Castros fly to center. If Jones threw him out I would have throw the TV out the window. Chipper robs Diaz with a diving grab of his grounder for the 3rd out. But the Mets tie it. Now i dunno.....Im not a pitch count freak, so its not that, but I wonder if you run trachsel back out there. he's been gettin a lil more reachable every inning. Im thinkin we could use a fresh arm here for the hold, but we shall see the way the ball bounces. Trachsel stays in.

KC Sep 05 2005 03:34 PM

Traxxxx comes out to pitch the eighth and has really looked quite good since my earlier smug comment. Sorry Traxxxx.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 03:37 PM

lead off single by the Braves. I dunno,i guess you HAVE to let Trash start the inning. But i think he's done his job for the day and now someone else should be doin theirs. Big break for the Mets with the pop up out on the bunt.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 03:39 PM

now he must keep up with the Jones's. This is alot to ask of trachsel

Spacemans Bong Sep 05 2005 03:40 PM

Willie Randolph might be the worst manager I have ever seen. He is actually worse than Grady Little.

KC Sep 05 2005 03:41 PM

Zvon looking pretty smart as Chipper goes yard for a two run dinger. Crapfart Shitstain Assdick

Zvon Sep 05 2005 03:41 PM

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH see? i feel sick. Chipper Jones hits a monster 2 run homer to center. criiiiiipes

willpie Sep 05 2005 03:42 PM

Fuck Chipper fucking Jones. Just... fuck him. Fuck him with knives.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 03:43 PM

Spacemans Bong wrote: Willie Randolph might be the worst manager I have ever seen. He is actually worse than Grady Little. lol..............Bret may agree with something posted. Mark the date.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 03:45 PM

willpie wrote: Fuck Chipper fucking Jones. Just... fuck him. Fuck him with knives. dull knives so it hurts even worse. Yikes, Reyes makes an error on the other jones. Tuff call, but he shouldna fielded that.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 03:51 PM

with all the ruckus we fail to note hernandez has taken over (for those reading at a later time). Good job by the old man. Stops the bleeding. Unless the Mets hit up a lil storm here, it may be too little too late. Please forgive me, but i must whip out the 2 demensional rally guys. UNITE AND ASSEMBLE METROPOLITAN LUMBER!!!!!!!

KC Sep 05 2005 03:52 PM

Mets down to their last three outs. Marlon Jose Kaz

KC Sep 05 2005 03:59 PM

Fist pumpin' Farnsworth prevails a lead-off single by Marlon. Braves 4, Mets 2

DocTee Sep 05 2005 04:07 PM

]Let's just face it: Beltran sucks. he aint livin up to his contract, but Im not the one payin him. Yes you are-- inflated ticket prices, parking and concessions go towards paying the moled one's contract.

Spacemans Bong Sep 05 2005 04:07 PM

Elster88 Sep 05 2005 04:09 PM

Baseball makes me sad. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Elster88 Sep 05 2005 04:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 05 2005 04:11 PM

Actually, Spaceman, I'll bet Bobby Bo had a better first season with the Mets than Beltran has had. So be fair to Bobby. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

DocTee Sep 05 2005 04:10 PM

Beltran makes me mad.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 05 2005 04:11 PM

Let's not pretend the failure to win here had anything to do with Willie Randolph.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 04:12 PM

okay. its official. beltran does suck. he looks at the fattest pitch of the day for a called strike and then swings at two untouchables. That was painful to watch. Another game the mets should have won and could have been played differently. Any other team in the hunt, in the situation we were in, would have gone to an 8th inning set up man there. Esp to get a fresh arm vs. the Jones's. Trash aint no 25 yr old pitcher, and Willie stayed with him too long. I know it would be economical,playing a tie game, to try to make him last until his hitting slot comes up, but this aint April (and this aint EAmvpBASEBALL-the video game i play) and you have to do things at this time of the year a lil differently, and use what you have while you are in it, and pay the price tomorrow, if you must pay a price at all. i dont understand why you bring up arms when you expand the roster, but you dont play smart and use em. And Im not talkin Shingo in the clutch. Save him for moppin up. We had Hernandez,Bell,Hielman, Padilla,Ishii even. All experienced arms that have a job to do. Let em do it, for good or bad. If they succeed, we keep rolling. if they fail we aint goin anywhere in the long run anyway. This loss is MOST disappointing. Im sure Bart Splunkerlagen is chuckling as I type.

Elster88 Sep 05 2005 04:15 PM

Call me pessimistic, but I don't think the choice of pitcher makes a difference here. Chipper Jones is Chipper Jones. Which means he beats the shit out of the Mets. Atlanta is Atlanta. Which means they don't lose to the Mets at home. The only hope we have of beating the Braves is after that prick retires. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Zvon Sep 05 2005 04:16 PM

DocTee wrote: ]Let's just face it: Beltran sucks. he aint livin up to his contract, but Im not the one payin him. Yes you are-- inflated ticket prices, parking and concessions go towards paying the moled one's contract. you cant lay that just on beltran. If not him, someone else ,or afew would be eating up that $$$ and youd be payin the same prices. Blame those prices on the state of the game. Ownership/union/players as a whole. Dont hang that on one guy who just played the existing market well.

Elster88 Sep 05 2005 04:18 PM

Ticket prices and parking prices rose before Beltran's contract was signed, I believe. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Johnny Dickshot Sep 05 2005 04:18 PM

Nonsense. A couple of hits where we needed them and this game could have been a rout on our side. Not to mention Diaz doing more at the play at the plate, Trachsel realizing he had a DP if he wanted it, etc etc etc. I think you have to place this loss, like so many others this year, on the fact that we just don't hit enough. No amount of strategy or magical players on the other team is going to change that.

Elster88 Sep 05 2005 04:19 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Nonsense. A couple of hits where we needed them and this game could have been a rout on our side. Not to mention Diaz doing more at the play at the plate, Trachsel realizing he had a DP if he wanted it, etc etc etc. I think you have to place this loss, like so many others this year, on the fact that we just don't hit enough. No amount of strategy or magical players on the other team is going to change that. Yeah, you're right. Forgive me for being pissed off and feeling like the Braves are unbeatable, I'm still hurting from this game.

Elster88 Sep 05 2005 04:20 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Nonsense. A couple of hits where we needed them and this game could have been a rout on our side. Not to mention Diaz doing more at the play at the plate, Trachsel realizing he had a DP if he wanted it, etc etc etc. I think you have to place this loss, like so many others this year, on the fact that we just don't hit enough. No amount of strategy or magical players on the other team is going to change that. OTOH, we can say something similar like that about every Met loss to the Braves. If this had happened, and this hadn't happened, etc. etc. And the Braves still seem to come out on top and Chipper still has a lot of Met-beatings to his credit. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Johnny Dickshot Sep 05 2005 04:32 PM

Chipper is a future Hall of Famer and A. Jones has a shot too.

Rotblatt Sep 05 2005 04:38 PM

I've grown to fucking hate Willie, but I think JD is right not to blame him here. Starting Trachs off in the 8th wasn't a bad move, although I would've yanked him after Furcal reached. Maybe the first inning wouldn't have been as ugly had Trachs not been given 9 days off, however . . . Sending Diaz was a good movie, too. The real quibble with Willie for me is the lineup, meaning Beltran shouldn't be hitting third, but frankly, I'm so relieved that Cairo's not in there, I'm giving him a pass on it. As for not hitting enough, JD, what game were you watching? Our guys batted .265 today with a .342 OBP. That's pretty damn good--much better than the Braves, in fact. The problem was that we didn't score runs, mostly due to some good defense by the Braves. And, of course, that all but two of our hits were singles. We played good, but we got beat. It'll happen. This hurts a lot less than the times when Willie just blatantly fucks up, IMO. Beltran makes me crabby. On his wannabe-sac fly, he saw about 6 fastballs in a row and couldn't do better than a 200 ft fly ball on the 7th? Weak. Give me David Wright or Cliff Floyd in that situation every goddamn time. He's going to have a lot of catchup to play the next 6 years. And what was with Reyes swinging at the first pitch AGAIN with a runner on and no one out in the ninth? Matsui looked good out there today. I hope Willie keeps him in. Anyway, we looked pretty good out there today, if you ask me. We just needed a little luck. Or Beltran, circa 2004.

Zvon Sep 05 2005 04:53 PM

yea, i think we all are a lil crabby and pissed over this one. The Mets could have used some 'timely' hits in this one, so i hear ya JD. The Braves did outplay us with the glove and the arm and the clutch hit, so i hear ya Rot. If Chippers homer was a fly to the track, everything would be different right now, and chipper never just reaches the track vs the mets. He a professional MetKiller. Its his calling. If you dont keep up with the jones's, and you dont shut down Francouer (not a factor 2day batwise), you aint gonna beat the braves. If your starter gives you 7 innings of 2 run ball vs the braves and your not up by 2 yet, you probly aint gonna beat the Braves. Theres many ways this could have gone, and i wish it went, but.........yep... datsAbaseBALL

Frayed Knot Sep 05 2005 05:31 PM

]Sending Diaz was a good movie, too. Was it as good as 'Educating Rita', 'Finding Nemo', or 'Eating Raul'?

Edgy DC Sep 05 2005 06:10 PM

Not for nothing, but how is sending Diaz a good move, or movie?

Rockin' Doc Sep 05 2005 10:32 PM

I feel somewhat responsible for this defeat, not as responsible as the offense, but I didn't adequately educate the team about what awaited them in Atlanta. I will be sure to enlighten them before tomorrows duel between Pedro and Smoltz. Then, if they still don't score more than a pair of runs, it won't be on my head.

Edgy DC Sep 05 2005 11:11 PM

I was switching during the game to a riveting Glenn Ford western called 3:10 to Yuma, and switched back in time to see Chipper Jones rounding the bases. That's on me. IMDB says a remake is due out this year. The original (1957) was written by Elmore Leonard. Who knew he went back that far?

Rotblatt Sep 06 2005 07:22 AM

Beltran's fly was shallow, but I think it's defensible to send Diaz there. He's got good speed and Franceour had to make at least a good throw to get him. "Good" might be too strong a word, but I think it's defensible. As for the movie version, it wasn't as good as Nemo, but much better than Chasing Amy. But the ending sucked.

Edgy DC Sep 06 2005 09:01 AM

I think Francouer's arm is higher on the chart than Diaz's footspeed. Diaz stays, and the Mets have two outs, yes, but their cleanup hitter is up with the bases loaded and the pitcher forced to throw strikes. They may lift Davies for a LOOGy like John Foster, but he's kind of wild. The Mets were one hit away from taking control of yesterday's game about four times.

Rotblatt Sep 06 2005 09:32 AM

]The Mets were one hit away from taking control of yesterday's game about four times. Agreed. And Beltran was the main culprit two of those times.