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I'm Ogden Nash
Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2005 09:21 AM |
This isn't exactly rap on the level of George Foster, but here some classic baseball poetry:
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Willets Point Sep 02 2005 09:27 AM |
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Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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A Boy Named Seo Sep 02 2005 09:31 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 02 2005 09:50 AM |
B is for Benson
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2005 09:33 AM |
I like those.
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Willets Point Sep 02 2005 09:39 AM |
A is for Ashburn,
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A Boy Named Seo Sep 02 2005 09:48 AM |
Edit: Sorry, I'm not good with rules.
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Edgy DC Sep 02 2005 09:50 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 02 2005 09:52 AM |
C is for Carter
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Willets Point Sep 02 2005 09:51 AM |
C is for cookie, that's good enough for me.
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Edgy DC Sep 02 2005 09:54 AM |
Seo just comes off the DL in mid-season form.
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Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 10:01 AM |
A is for Anderson
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 10:07 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 02 2005 10:08 AM |
Come on now, which "A" means the most to all of you?
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metirish Sep 02 2005 10:07 AM |
A is for Astacio
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 02 2005 10:10 AM |
Work on your metrics.
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Willets Point Sep 02 2005 10:11 AM |
Get metrics-ized!
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seawolf17 Sep 02 2005 10:16 AM |
This has been a great posting day. Everyone's bringing their "A" game today. Nice job, everyone.
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A Boy Named Seo Sep 02 2005 10:16 AM |
A is for Allen
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 02 2005 10:19 AM |
You people are killing me. My head has done eleven 360s from the fractured scansion already.
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A Boy Named Seo Sep 02 2005 10:21 AM |
I don't know what a fractured scansion is.
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sharpie Sep 02 2005 10:31 AM |
A is for Aase
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Willets Point Sep 02 2005 10:32 AM |
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All you do is criticize. You'd think you were an English professor or something. Oh wait....
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Frayed Knot Sep 02 2005 10:34 AM |
A is for Alomar
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 02 2005 10:47 AM |
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If you don't mind, ABNS, I'll tell you. Wrecked and Mex don't rhyme. Mex rhymes with Wrex (or wrecks or rex) and Wrecked rhymes with Mecked, which doesn't happen to be a word. But the scansion problems come in when you've got a line with two feet (two beats, two stresses, whatever terminology you want to use) such as "They say he'd drink til he's wrecked" --there's no way, with seven syllables you're going to be able to find only two stresses in that line, so you're going to hurry it, swallow some syllables, or find some other false way to squeeze seven syllables into only two feet of room. That makes the line scan wrong. An easy solution would be to re-word: "who'd drink til he's wrecked." Now it's still a little screwy, because your tenses are now off (it should be "who'd drink til he was wrecked," but that's too many syllable for a two foot line again). If you changed it to "who'd drink until wrecked," slipping that elided syllable back in in front of the 'til," which you cut in the first place to eliminate a not-strictly-necessary syllable from a too-crowded line, you'd be ok, though the diction now sounds a little arch for the subject matter. Then you'd work on straightening out the rhyme, and other stuff. Sorry if I'm coming off like a pedantic bore, but just try to imagine someone doing what you do for a living, only without any training or experience, and imagine how you'd react to their first few attempts. If the Old Mole, who's more skilled than I am as a versifier, shows up, maybe hecan conduct a short seminar on principles of verse.
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 02 2005 10:57 AM |
Look at Frayed Knot's quatrain, for an extended example. He's got filler all over the place. Several syllables can easily be cut, making the whole thing a lot smoother. Instead of
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Willets Point Sep 02 2005 11:00 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 02 2005 11:15 AM |
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Oh sure we tell you to STFU and they you'll go on one of your 'I'm persecuted because I'm not a Mets fan" tirades. I'm not falling for that. OE: Kee droppin th fina letter i th word I writ latel. Tha annoy m!
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 11:02 AM |
Actually, Sal did a damn good job with the Alomar quatrain. Bravo.
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A Boy Named Seo Sep 02 2005 11:08 AM |
That's good stuff, Sal. I didn't know any of that. And I've honestly never seen Ogden Nash's show, either (the one with Don Johnson, right?). Yes, I'm fucking around, but I don't know Ogden Nash, either. I've never been much of a scholar.
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OlerudOwned Sep 02 2005 11:15 AM |
C is for Castro
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Vic Sage Sep 02 2005 11:16 AM The Bard Nash-ifies the Mets of "A" |
I am one that
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 11:17 AM |
B is for Backman
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2005 11:18 AM |
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I found it interesting. I'm no literary scholar either, but I've always liked Ogden Nash, especially that poem. If you want to take any of our verses and make them more Nashified, I say get out your red pen and start Nashing.
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G-Fafif Sep 02 2005 11:28 AM |
A is for Atlanta
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 11:33 AM |
C is for Carter
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 11:49 AM |
D is for Darling
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2005 12:05 PM |
Is this more Nashy?
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 02 2005 12:46 PM |
The form and content are both great--if I were to tinker with anything I'd start trying to fix the inversion in the 2nd line, which sounds too artsy-fartsy for my taste. I'm probably going to make this worse, because I'm dropping the witty chiasmus in your final two lines altogether, but
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A Boy Named Seo Sep 02 2005 01:01 PM |
D is for Darling
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Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 01:11 PM |
D is for Darling
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metirish Sep 02 2005 01:17 PM |
Good stuff guys..
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seawolf17 Sep 02 2005 01:23 PM |
"Scansion" and "chiasmus" in the same thread? Is this an ENG 388 class?
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Edgy DC Sep 02 2005 01:25 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 06 2005 09:39 AM |
B.B., Blaine Beatty
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2005 01:36 PM |
Some of these entries are exceeding Nash's four-line standard.
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metirish Sep 02 2005 01:45 PM |
A is for Alexander
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SwitchHitter Sep 02 2005 01:49 PM |
A is for Ashby
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2005 01:53 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 02 2005 02:07 PM |
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I think to get the right sound, you need to limit to five (maybe six) syllables per line. Maybe... A, Alexander Played second quite well Swapped to the Cubs For Wendell and Mel
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seawolf17 Sep 02 2005 01:58 PM |
Sorry, Annie, but since you started it:
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 02:04 PM |
Are we going to choose one quatrain for each letter to use in a Mets Nash poem? If so, are we going to choose from among our submitted entries now or later?
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SwitchHitter Sep 02 2005 02:09 PM |
We're going to let Bret choose.
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2005 02:10 PM |
Later. For now, let's keep piling them up.
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2005 02:13 PM |
E is for Everett
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 02:15 PM |
E is for Elster
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 02:18 PM |
F is for Franco
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 02:22 PM |
G is for Gooden
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A Boy Named Seo Sep 02 2005 02:25 PM |
Mr. Q,
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2005 02:27 PM |
D, Doc and Darryl
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 02:31 PM |
H, for Hernandez
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 02:39 PM |
I is for Izzy
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 02 2005 02:39 PM |
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Well, you're doing the inversion-in-the-2nd-line thing again. You would never (as in literally never) say to someone "From Santa Monica I hail", would you, Seo? I'll bet your fee for uttering that sentence with a straight face is pretty high. So why put in it in verse? Because it somehow seems "poetic"? Poets last tried a straight-on, no-irony inversion sometime in the late 1930s, but word is sometimes slow getting out. Now then, "Hails" and "Yale" doesn't work, but it hasn't anything to do with the tense. (Verbs have tense--"Yale" is a noun.) It doesn't work because you've got that nasty "s" on the end of "hail" and nothing is going to make "-ails" rhyme with "-ale," nothing. So you've got a couple of options: you can try a different rhyme:. (Example: Fernandez was known as 'Sid the Squid,' Though he looked more like "Sid the Whale" Like Darling, home to stubby Sid Was Honolulu, though not Yale) Or you might try an elision (a phrase that omits an easily understood word) that would use a possessive form of "Yale"--for example: "Ron was Hawaii's pride, and Yale's, But spent one night in Houston's jails." (though in that particular example, "jail" makes better sense than the plural, but you get the general principle.) Or you could embed the possessive foem in an enjambment (a construction that has one leg at the end of one line and the other leg at the beginning of the next one): Darling outpitched Franco, Yale's Best besting St. John's nine. An Ivy Leaguer rarely fails To set the pearls before the swine. Actually, I don't remember if Darling or Franco won that duel, but this is purely to illustrate verse, not history. And they're closing up the library here, so I'll have to continue this at some future seminar. I hope the Old Mole can join in at some point--I always learn stuff from him. Anyway, if this process seems complex, well, that's why poets make the big bucks.
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 02:56 PM |
J is for Johnson
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Willets Point Sep 02 2005 03:02 PM |
K is for Kelvin
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A Boy Named Seo Sep 02 2005 03:05 PM |
You would never (as in literally never) say to someone "From Santa Monica I hail", would you, Seo? I'll bet your fee for uttering that sentence with a straight face is pretty high.
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MFS62 Sep 02 2005 03:32 PM |
R
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2005 04:39 PM |
I actually thought the inversion thing was part of Nash's style. But in rereading his original poem, I only found one example:
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 05:03 PM |
K is for Koosman
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Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 05:19 PM |
Valadius is just knocking these out.
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 05:55 PM |
L is for Leiter
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TheOldMole Sep 02 2005 06:21 PM |
L's for Labine
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2005 06:27 PM |
I really like Mole's Landrith entry.
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TheOldMole Sep 02 2005 06:48 PM |
And speaking of L...
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 08:37 PM |
M's for McGraw
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Frayed Knot Sep 02 2005 08:43 PM |
S for George Seaver
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 09:24 PM |
N is for Niemann
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Valadius Sep 02 2005 09:31 PM |
O's for Orosco
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mlbaseballtalk Sep 02 2005 09:52 PM |
P is for Pedrique
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mlbaseballtalk Sep 02 2005 09:53 PM |
Q is for Quandry
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Johnny Dickshot Sep 02 2005 11:00 PM |
Q is for Quilvio
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 03 2005 06:35 AM |
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Sorry, typo. "form," not "foem." I had a rare evening myself--hung out in the Villlage, caught a film, dinner on St Mark's Place before, drinks in the Cedar Bar afterwards. Composed a few while waiting for my waitress, though. O is for "Omigod Jesse Orosco"-- We'd wish him in Cooperstown (some days, in Moscow). S is for Straw, whose ability goes from "super" to "stellar" to "straight up his nose." F is for Franco who lost with a smirk that made us suspect John B. Good be a jerk. O's for Ordonez who wore "ten" and "zero"-- If popups were ribbies, he'd be quite a hero. L is for Leiter who had young Scott fearing to play tunes that failed to please Alois' hearing. M's for Dave Magadan, "Better than sex!" with the bat (With the glove, "Well, he just ain't no Mex.") H is for HoJo, a born-again Christer, replacing Ray Knight who was way overpriced, sir. The best I came up with was Reyes, but I can't get the last line right. Someone want to try it? R is for "Reyes" (and "Rabbit being chased.") Hard to catch? Oh, we say "Yes" and then I lose it: waste? Haste? Placed? I may be too fancy here, going for the unneeded (but always nice) abab structure rather than settling for the xaxa that's standard in the Nashism.
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 03 2005 07:04 AM |
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Of course he did. Kudos for your Cleon. Made me smile.
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 03 2005 09:09 AM |
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Very funny. Sorry bout putting you in Santa Monica, Seo. Just took a stab, didn't notice your "location" tag. Oh, and to further the scansion/verse discussion: with Widey's new information, we have an extra unstressed syllable ("Viola" is unstressed/stressed/unstressed, while Franco is stressed/unstressed) so now we need a shorter verb. So: Darling beat Viola, Yale's best etc.
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 03 2005 09:31 AM |
C's for Mark Corey,
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 03 2005 09:58 AM |
K is for Kranepool,
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Johnny Dickshot Sep 03 2005 10:08 AM |
D is for David
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 03 2005 10:10 AM |
K is for Kingman, and
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 03 2005 10:11 AM |
That's a pretty amazing simulpost, Widey.
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Willets Point Sep 03 2005 11:34 AM |
Someone's got to work in the bus roling across the Shea parking lot and Tom Seaver and HIS MOUND.
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 03 2005 11:46 AM |
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And that person isn't you because....? Did you see my question about your nuptials in the NBF?
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 12:29 PM |
P's for Piazza
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 12:35 PM |
Q is the question
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 12:39 PM |
R is for Reyes
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 12:42 PM |
S is for Stengel,
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 12:54 PM |
T is for Teufel
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 01:02 PM |
U is for Unser
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 01:04 PM |
V is for Valentine,
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 01:09 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 03 2005 08:14 PM |
W's for Wright
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 02:43 PM |
X is for Esix
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 02:46 PM |
Y is for Youngblood
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 02:52 PM |
Z is for Zachry
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 03 2005 03:26 PM |
T is Ron Taylor,
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 03 2005 03:36 PM |
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By the way, if anyone wants to invert, here's a great example (actually, two) of ironic-sounding inversion, which is the only kind that's done any more. Bravo, Johnny Dee.
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 05:01 PM |
Well, I reached the end of the alphabet. If anyone wants to give a thumbs-up or thumbs-down on each of them, go ahead.
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Bret Sabermetric Sep 03 2005 05:21 PM |
Thumbs down.
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 05:25 PM |
I agree. And yes, it is obvious.
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Zvon Sep 03 2005 05:35 PM |
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I think they are great Val. You have a way with words. Im still tryin to make one for A
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Valadius Sep 03 2005 08:16 PM |
To recap, here's my collection of Mets quatrains.
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ScarletKnight41 Sep 03 2005 08:18 PM |
Nicely done :)
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TheOldMole Sep 06 2005 09:13 AM |
C is for Chiti,
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TheOldMole Sep 06 2005 09:14 AM |
C is for Coleman,
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2005 09:16 AM |
X could be Felix
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MFS62 Sep 06 2005 03:06 PM |
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Mole, that can make my Metalphabet any ol' time. Later
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Valadius Sep 07 2005 11:06 AM |
BUMP
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Valadius Sep 08 2005 05:43 PM |
R is for Randolph
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Valadius Sep 08 2005 05:46 PM |
L is for Looper
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