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Frayed Knot
Mar 05 2009 07:32 AM

Tournament this year is a double double-elimination format.
Two teams from each will be promoted out of pool play and then those eight will play a new double elimination round.

The far east group gets started first, and defending champ Japan kicked things off last night (this morning) in Tokyo with a 4-0 shutout of China.
Korea will then play Taipei before the winners play winners and losers play losers until two teams are out.

The remaining groups go at it starting this weekend:

* Mexico, Australia, Cuba & South Africa convene in Mexico City

* USA, Canada, Italy & Venezuela in Toronto


Semi final and final rounds are in San Diego, Miami, and Los Angeles

* Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Netherlands & Panama in San Juan, PR

Gwreck
Mar 05 2009 08:12 AM

It's "double elimination" but once each pool of 4 is down to 2 teams, they both advance to the next round. But then still play each other to determine who's #1 and who's #2....so the #2 team gets to advance despite having 2 losses.

Frayed Knot
Mar 05 2009 08:32 AM

Two teams from each group advance out of the pool play (the other two are eliminated) and then start a wipe-the-slate-clean new round of double elimination.
So, yeah, teams don't take their losses with them. The only carry-over from round 1 is that your winner or runner-up status determines who you play first in round 2 (Winner of 'A' plays Runner-Up from 'B' while Winner from 'B' plays 'A' Runner-up, etc.)

The second double-elimination cuts things down to four teams who then go into a regular single-elimination semi-final then final format.

A Boy Named Seo
Mar 05 2009 09:23 AM

That stupid Olympic extra-innings rule was adopted this year and will be in effect for every inning starting with the 13th. Hopefully we won't even see it.

Nymr83
Mar 05 2009 12:17 PM

Japan is playing what i can only assume is a rerun on espn2 right now.

A Boy Named Seo
Mar 05 2009 12:25 PM

Cool, didn't know that was on. Japanese fans are awesome.

Nymr83
Mar 05 2009 02:06 PM

I wonder how you say "balk" in Japanese? Judging by the bewildered look of the pitcher, there is no translation in Chinese.

Frayed Knot
Mar 05 2009 03:02 PM

Nymr83 wrote:
Japan is playing what i can only assume is a rerun on espn2 right now.


Yeah, the far east games are on espn2 live at about 4 in the morning or something.

ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN deportes, and MLBN will be carrying all the games in varying combinations.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 05 2009 05:54 PM

Who the hell cares?

bmfc1
Mar 05 2009 06:13 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 05 2009 10:05 PM

The Dominican Republic team gets an upgrade as Fernando Tatis replaces Alex Rodriguez. This makes 16 Mets who are participating in the WBC.

Edgy DC
Mar 05 2009 07:35 PM

Hi. I care.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 05 2009 09:40 PM

That's what I was askin'.

Frayed Knot
Mar 06 2009 09:55 AM

Korea mercy-rules Taipei (9-0 in 7 innings) setting up a Mao-v-Chaing elimination game.

Frayed Knot
Mar 06 2009 09:57 AM

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
That stupid Olympic extra-innings rule was adopted this year and will be in effect for every inning starting with the 13th. Hopefully we won't even see it.


Hopefully they're not using that in the later rounds.
I don't like in the earlier rounds either but at least there they're using the multiple games needed in a short period of time logic.

Centerfield
Mar 06 2009 10:01 AM

You know, they aren't more MFY's in this thing? Texiera, CC and Burnett should all be playing for the US. Wang should be playing for China, Matsui for Japan. Unpatriotic fucks.

metirish
Mar 06 2009 10:04 AM

Yet they chain their fans to seats during "God Bless America"....false patriotism at it's best.

Edgy DC
Mar 06 2009 10:05 AM

George Steinbrenner's whole "born on the fourth of July" rep is at stake.

AT STAKE!

Nymr83
Mar 06 2009 12:53 PM

]Wang should be playing for China


he was born in Taiwan, pitched for them in the '04 olympics

Frayed Knot
Mar 07 2009 06:59 AM

Well they could have used him because Taiwan (Taipei) lost to the commie China and is the first team eliminated from the tourney.

Japan thumped Korea in the winners' bracket game so Korea faces China in the next elimination contest.

bmfc1
Mar 07 2009 09:11 AM

Reyes is not in the lineup for the DR team--instead of being in PSL, getting some ABs, he's sitting on the bench today.

TheOldMole
Mar 07 2009 11:53 AM

Are there really that many black guys in the Netherlands?

Nymr83
Mar 07 2009 12:34 PM

TheOldMole wrote:
Are there really that many black guys in the Netherlands?


I think The Netherlands includes The Netherlands Antilles, where Andruw Jones is from. They just beat the DR!

]Reyes is not in the lineup for the DR team--instead of being in PSL, getting some ABs, he's sitting on the bench today.


thats annoying, if I were the Mets I'd have told DR that he plays or he stays here.

Nymr83
Mar 07 2009 03:29 PM

The Panama/Puerto Rico game right now has taken on added importance for PR, they probably thought that if they choked they could beat up on the netherlands in the next game, but DR's suprise loss means that the loser of this game will be facing the DR lineup and Johnny Cueto/Odalis Perez.

dgwphotography
Mar 07 2009 03:41 PM

And Carlos In Delgado Da vita goes yard for PR...

Edgy DC
Mar 07 2009 04:23 PM

]thats annoying, if I were the Mets I'd have told DR that he plays or he stays here.


Can the Mets do that? If I were the Mets I'd tell Russia to disarm.

I think we all need to relax about players playing for their nations. We're a month out from opening day and Reyes is a major league veteran. He's going to be fine. And if anybody gets hurt, he's probably no more likely to get hurt at Port St. Lucie.

Nymr83
Mar 07 2009 07:54 PM

]Can the Mets do that?


of course they can. they can say "you can't play" to any player under contract, nd if they can say you cant play then obviously they can give permission that is conditional.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 07 2009 07:57 PM

Anyone who saw Abreu get picked off third by Italy should be breathing a small sigh of relief that he's not headed to our outfield when this thing is over.

He turned the bag too far on a tag-play, then walked back to the base oblivious to his coach telling him to hustle Italy;s third baseman materializing from behind the coaching box to take a throw from the infield and nail him.

Edgy DC
Mar 07 2009 08:57 PM

Nymr83 wrote:
]Can the Mets do that?


of course they can. they can say "you can't play" to any player under contract, nd if they can say you cant play then obviously they can give permission that is conditional.


It's a ridiculous condition and you know it.

MLB is behind this and they aren't going to have the teams playing the asshole.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 07 2009 09:09 PM

Is this Orber Moreno?

edit --- Yes, yes it was.

Nymr83
Mar 08 2009 01:56 AM

I didn't watch, why did Difelice (4 shutout innings, 3 hits, no walks) get lifted by Italy after the 4th inning with only 45 pitches thrown? the guy was cruising and you cant even blame the pitch limits for removing him.

Gwreck
Mar 08 2009 11:52 PM

Oliver Perez got touched up pretty good by Australia (?) today -- 2 IP, 4 ER, 7 Hits including 2 homers.

Mexico loses to Australia, 17-7, on the mercy rule after 8 innings.

---

I figured Pool B as the weakest, but figured that Mexico would make it out along with Cuba. Looks like they could still make it but would probably have to beat Australia in a rematch.

Edgy DC
Mar 09 2009 05:54 AM

Nymr83 wrote:
I didn't watch, why did Difelice (4 shutout innings, 3 hits, no walks) get lifted by Italy after the 4th inning with only 45 pitches thrown? the guy was cruising and you cant even blame the pitch limits for removing him.


="WBC Rules"]A pitcher must:

Not pitch until a minimum of four days have passed since he last pitched, if he threw 50 or more pitches when he last pitched;

Nymr83
Mar 09 2009 06:54 PM

a reasonable argument IF they planned on starting him again tonight, he didnt start tonight's game against canada (though they lead 4-2 anyway.)

but why yank a guy when he's throwing a shutout, he was throwing 11 pitches an inning and could easily have gone 2 more innings (he would have needed to do so in 25 pitches) before they pulled him, and they lost that game after he game out.

Nymr83
Mar 09 2009 06:57 PM

The netherlands is 9 outs from advancing to round 2! (only up 1 run though)
that would set up a Dominican Republic vs. Puerto Rico game where the loser goes home.

Nymr83
Mar 09 2009 07:00 PM

An error on a potential inning-ending DP ball loads the bases for PR with 1 out. Ramon Vazquez at the plate with Beltran and Delgado to follow.

edit- infield fly by vazquea...its all up to Beltran!

edit2- beltran grounds out, inning over, nerherlands 6 outs away!

Frayed Knot
Mar 10 2009 08:30 AM

Summary to date:

Pool 'A': All finished for round 1
China & China (T) are out, Korea (1st place) and Japan (2nd) advance.

Pool 'B': So Africa is out. Cuba & Australia play a 'winners game' today.
Loser of that faces Mexico in an elimination tilt.

Pool 'C': The 'True North Strong and Free' was booted off their home turf while the Red White & Blue advance to round 2.
Venezuela & Italy face off today; loser goes home, winner faces USA for 1st/2nd

Pool 'D': Panama ousted without scoring a run.
DR gets a loser-goes-home rematch tonight with the Netherlands. Winner then faces Puerto Rico (already assured of advancing) for 1/2 seeding

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 08:36 AM

Korea hanging on for the 1-0 win over Japan is something.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 10 2009 08:42 AM

Saw some of the Mexico-South Afrika game last night. FWIW, Elmer Dessens had a pretty nice outing, looked strong and in control.

The final was like 14-3 Mexico but it was a 3-2 game till late. Africa's leadoff hitter, named NGOEA or something, showed Reyes-esque wheels smashing a leadoff triple.

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 08:58 AM

Nymr83 wrote:
a reasonable argument IF they planned on starting him again tonight, he didnt start tonight's game against canada (though they lead 4-2 anyway.)

but why yank a guy when he's throwing a shutout, he was throwing 11 pitches an inning and could easily have gone 2 more innings (he would have needed to do so in 25 pitches) before they pulled him, and they lost that game after he game out.

I guess they wanted him available if they did need him.

Frayed Knot
Mar 10 2009 09:51 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Korea hanging on for the 1-0 win over Japan is something.


Kind of a little less meaningful as both knew they were advancing to the next round before the game even started.
Each club trotted out about 5-6 fresh pitchers which helped keep the scoring down.

attgig
Mar 10 2009 10:43 AM

Frayed Knot wrote:
="Edgy DC"]Korea hanging on for the 1-0 win over Japan is something.


Kind of a little less meaningful as both knew they were advancing to the next round before the game even started.
Each club trotted out about 5-6 fresh pitchers which helped keep the scoring down.


few horrible baserunning blunders by korea to keep it at 1-0.

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 11:50 AM

That's kind of what I like about it being nailbiter. Nothing on the line but pride.

All games are exhibitions. It's how you play them that lends meaning. The Koreans played hard (if clumsy on the basepaths).

Gwreck
Mar 10 2009 08:01 PM

Dominicans and Netherlands playing to 0-0 tie when in the top of the 11th with 2 outs, Jose gets a walk.

Next batter, with an 0-2 count hits a low liner to right which the Netherlands rightfielder misses while sliding forward to make the catch...and Jose is off to the races to score the go-ahead run.

Kong76
Mar 10 2009 08:03 PM

Not glued to it, but I've had this game on for hours.

I hope Nederlanders can tie it up and prolong the suspense at least.

bmfc1
Mar 10 2009 08:17 PM

Well, Jose will be back in PSL in a few days.

Kong76
Mar 10 2009 08:18 PM

Fun game to watch.

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 08:18 PM

AND THEY DO!

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 08:19 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 10 2009 08:21 PM

Holy crap! Dutch treat!

OE: Winning run comes home Buckner-style, on an error by Willie Aybar.

Told you they should have had a shortstop at first.

Gwreck
Mar 10 2009 08:20 PM

Jose Reyes, please report back to Port St. Luice on the double.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 10 2009 08:22 PM

Aaaaaand the Dominicans are out.

Although it's understandable, this trouble they had with the Dutch-- you don't really stop Randall Simon, you just pitch to contact, and hope he doesn't knock the crap out of your sausages.

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 08:26 PM

The truth is that of the teams with primarily big leaguers --- the US, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and the Dominican Republic, ours is the only team with impressive pitching.

That doesn't explain how the Dutch shut them out all those innings, and it's a hell of a way for Felipe Alou to end his career.

Hey, Jose Reyes, how about checking that .111 batting average at the door?

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 08:29 PM

Three more scoreless innings for Pedro. Ubaldo Jimenez struck out 10 in four innings.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 10 2009 08:38 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
The truth is that of the teams with primarily big leaguers --- the US, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and the Dominican Republic, ours is the only team with impressive pitching.


DR's starters-- Volquez, Cueto, Jimenez, the reanimated bones of Pedro-- are actually pretty damn good, if mostly young/not battle-tested. And the bullpen is-- or, rather, was-- chock full of gasolina, with Marmol, Raffy Perez, Marte and Arredondo.

I think the key was the -ffense... very much missing O.

Frayed Knot
Mar 10 2009 08:39 PM

Jim Kaat: "You ain't much if you ain't Dutch"

soupcan
Mar 10 2009 08:42 PM

It definitely was a fun game to watch.

I was rootin' for the Nederlanders but was torn every time Jose came up to bat.

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 09:02 PM

A quick look for Dominican no-shows:

Carlos Villanueva
Jose Valverde
Rafael Soriano
Jose Veras
Salomon Torres
Rafael Soriano
Ervin Santana
Wandy Rodriguez
Al Reyes
Felix Rodriguez
Francisco Cordero

That said, if the offense shows up but doesn't show up, it doesn't matter if you've got Sandy Koufax.

I wonder if they'll blame A-Rod.

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 09:28 PM

Now the wallabees are showing heart against Cuba.

Nymr83
Mar 10 2009 10:04 PM

The Netherlands twice beating DR is pretty big for them

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 10 2009 10:34 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Now the wallabees are showing heart against Cuba.


INdeed. Just scratched their way back into a tie... then a 4-2 lead. Top 7.

Nymr83
Mar 10 2009 11:01 PM

Snelling and Huber are the only guys in the Australian lineup i've heard of. lets go guys!!
a Mexico-Cuba elimination game would be cool

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 10 2009 11:38 PM

Cubans pull ahead on a 2-run shot in the 8th... and hold on to win, 5-4.

Hell of a go, though, Oz.

Nymr83
Mar 11 2009 12:14 AM

I'm rooting for Australia to beat Mexico and advance, they deserve it.
They have a hard road here, some teams have had it very easy.

The double elimination is much better than the system they had 3 years ago where you could get sent home in a manner that didn't involve losing, but its still a little strange that you can advance by beating the same team twice without having to beat anyone else.

Frayed Knot
Mar 11 2009 06:47 AM

Four games remain in Round 1, three today:

Pool 'B' features Mexico-Australia (10EDT - MLBN) in a rematch of the 17-7 thumping Mexico took in front of the home folks a few days back.
Loser goes home; winner joins Cuba in Round 2 after facing off on Thursday for 1st/2nd seeding.

the only Pool 'C' game remaining is today's USA-Venezuela tilt to determine 1st/2nd seeds (6:30 - MLBN)
Canada & Italy are out

and in Pool 'D' the flying Dutchmen take on undefeated Puerto Rico for 1st/2nd seeding (5:30 ESPN2)
Dom Rep & Panama are out


Round 2 action starts Saturday in Miami (Pools C & D) and Sunday in San Diego (A & B)

bmfc1
Mar 11 2009 06:49 AM

With leaders like C. Jones and D. Jeter, how can Team USA lose?

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090310&content_id=3959616&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

metirish
Mar 11 2009 07:02 AM

Mike Schmidt says David Wright might be fit for Hall of Fame
BY ANTHONY MCCARRON
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Tuesday, March 10th 2009, 8:55 PM




]

TORONTO - Mike Schmidt calls himself "a nearly 60-year-old man who's a fan of these young stars and their lives," so he's been watching David Wright closely in the week or so the two have been together with Team USA. And Schmidt, perhaps the greatest third baseman of all time, thinks Wright is not only the kind of guy "you'd want in a son," but possibly headed to Cooperstown.
"I think," Schmidt said Tuesday, "you've got yourself a future Hall of Famer there on the Mets."
Schmidt, who is Team USA's third-base coach, starred for the Phillies in the '70s and '80s, making 12 All-Star teams, winning three MVP awards and collecting 10 Gold Gloves. In 18 seasons, he hit 548 home runs.
Who knows if Wright is on a similar career arc, but the Mets' third baseman already has an impressive resume, with 100 RBI in each of his first four full seasons. It took Schmidt seven full seasons to reach 100 RBI four times.
"From a baseball standpoint, he seems way beyond his years," Schmidt said. "Hitting-wise, he's your prototypical good modern generation hitter in that he stays inside the ball. In my day, we hit around the ball - pulled the ball more. It's impressive to me he creates the production he does as a righthanded hitter, seeing a lot of righthanded pitchers, the tough relievers, the matchups he gets.
"Back in our day, you'd compare him to a (Steve) Garvey or heck, even a Roberto Clemente-type hitter where he uses the whole field, hits around .300, can hit you some home runs, break up a game. He's a good solid RBI guy - what did he have last year, 128 (actually 124). I think my best year was in the low 120s (121 in 1980), so even last year he had more than I ever had."
Wright is 3-for-9 in the World Baseball Classic entering tonight's game against Venezuela, which walloped Italy, 10-1, Tuesday night. The game is only for seeding purposes because Team USA has already clinched a berth in Round 2 in Miami.
Schmidt also marveled at how Wright handles his celebrity status in a media-saturated age. "People might say I had an existence like that coming up in Philly, but there was nowhere near the media exposure there is today," Schmidt said. "Privacy is a hard thing to come by for these young players and I admire the way they deal with it. People would be surprised how well they handle their fame."

Edgy DC
Mar 11 2009 07:21 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 11 2009 07:50 AM


"That's nice of Mr. Schmidt to say and all, but Steve Garvey
and Roberto Clemente can wash my underwear for all I care."

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 11 2009 07:33 AM

Good golly. Is that Molly?

Edgy DC
Mar 11 2009 07:49 AM

No, I'm guessing that's one of Molly's friends. But that seems like one shirt button more than he typically opens for Moll.

Frayed Knot
Mar 11 2009 08:09 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
I wonder if they'll blame A-Rod.


Of course -- he didn't show up and they lost therefore it's his fault.
Just like if they had lost and he HAD showed up it would be his fault too.
Didn't you get the memo on this?

metirish
Mar 11 2009 08:11 AM

No more chest hair sprouting from his open shirt.....what the hell David. I can't imagine Mike Schmidt ever got rid of that.

Benjamin Grimm
Mar 11 2009 08:16 AM

metirish wrote:
No more chest hair sprouting from his open shirt.....what the hell David. I can't imagine Mike Schmidt ever got rid of that.


Reading that made me feel as gay as watching "Ugly Betty" does.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 11 2009 08:36 AM

Steve Garvey? Ugh.

Gwreck
Mar 11 2009 09:03 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
No, I'm guessing that's one of Molly's friends. But that seems like one shirt button more than he typically opens for Moll.


According to the photo URL, that's Kelly Dechon.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 11 2009 07:43 PM

K-Rod versus Jeter, 1 out in the 9th. Captain Intangibles is the tying run (Rollins is at second).

I REALLY don't know for whom to root here.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 11 2009 07:46 PM

Was rotting for Wright vs. Frankie with the game on the line but a Jeter CS takes care of that.

Edgy DC
Mar 11 2009 09:02 PM

Korea's Ki Hyuk Park: not at the top of my list of 'roid suspects.

metirish
Mar 12 2009 10:32 AM

Is that a girl?

From Bon Klapisch

]NEWS ITEM: WBC turns heads.

We have to admit: Seeing Dustin Pedroia and Derek Jeter as teammates is better eye candy than we thought. But the most interesting aspect of Venezuela’s 5-3 victory over the U.S. Wednesday night was Francisco Rodriguez’s devastating change-up, which he used to strike out Kevin Youkilis to end the game.

It may K-Rod’s best pitch in 2009.

“We couldn’t touch that change-up,” one Yankee veteran said recently. “For [National League] hitters that haven’t seen him before, he’ll be lights out.”

Centerfield
Mar 12 2009 10:45 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Korea's Ki Hyuk Park: not at the top of my list of 'roid suspects.



You should have seen him before the juice.

Edgy DC
Mar 12 2009 11:09 AM

He'st he shortstop for Korea's Lotte Giants:

Frayed Knot
Mar 12 2009 11:23 AM

Biggest difference in the far east and here is that in Japan they have Lotte Marines and in Korea Lotte Giants.
Over here we just have giant lattes.

Edgy DC
Mar 12 2009 11:31 AM

We have a lotte marines stationed in Japan also.

Nymr83
Mar 12 2009 01:07 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
We have a lotte marines stationed in Japan also.


If the U.S. doesnt win I'll happily root for our asian allies, i hope they both advance out of round 2, though i have nothing against Mexico. send the commies home. in our round 2 i'm rooting for the netherlands to advance along with us, because it would be a good story.

Frayed Knot
Mar 12 2009 06:06 PM

Round 2 - Saturday's games (in Miami):

Netherlands vs Venezuela - 1PM EDT
USA vs Puerto Rico - 8PM EDT

Sunday (in San Diego)
Some combo of Japan, Korea, Cuba & Mexico
exact matchups to be determined after tonight's Cuba/Mexico game - loser faces Korea, winner vs Japan