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="Frayed Knot":yrhqs7qm]Yes, you "heard it" at the top of this thread.[/quote:yrhqs7qm]
Didn't read it here, but I guess I should have.
Later
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metirish
Mar 01 2009 04:23 PM
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In the words of Kevin Burlhardt during the game today , anytime you cancel an MRI even if it's because of the weather that's a good thing....very true....as we know there are no MRI facilities in FLA.
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Frayed Knot
Mar 01 2009 07:13 PM
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="MFS62"]| ="Frayed Knot"]Yes, you "heard it" at the top of this thread. |
Didn't read it here, but I guess I should have. |
RMPL
| ]as we know there are no MRI facilities in FLA. |
The idea is to get the NYM doctors to look at them.
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themetfairy
Mar 01 2009 07:15 PM
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Get the man some liniment, STAT!
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Fman99
Mar 01 2009 08:56 PM
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| ="themetfairy"]Get the man some liniment, STAT!
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Pour me a shot of that. What do you chase linament with anyway?
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Benjamin Grimm
Mar 02 2009 05:40 AM
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="Frayed Knot":3mhjvck2]The idea is to get the NYM doctors to look at them.[/quote:3mhjvck2]
It would be nice if their doctors were in Florida when the Mets were, but I guess the docs aren't exclusive to the Mets.
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Edgy DC
Mar 02 2009 06:29 AM
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I knew a guy who was the team's "consulting neurologist." Now, one imagines they wouldn't need a neurologist every day, but I knwo he followed them down to spring training. He was the doctor on the scene when Mookie's glasses shattered into his eye.
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Frayed Knot
Mar 02 2009 07:02 AM
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Last radio reports I heard now say there will be no MRI at all - not just on account of the weather but also because there was no pain in Sunday's throwing session.
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metirish
Mar 02 2009 07:25 AM
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Well that is good news....
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SteveJRogers
Mar 02 2009 08:38 AM
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="metirish":oukyvq09]Well that is good news....[/quote:oukyvq09]
I wouldn't be so sure. Given the Mets medical staff history, and the importance of that arm, I would go through the motions of an MRI just to be on the safe side.
Better err on the side of caution than have Santana's arm fall blow out on Opening Day.
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Vic Sage
Mar 02 2009 08:54 AM
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Apparently, Dr. Altcheck is going down to florida this week to check on Santana. The mountain is coming to Mohammed.
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Frayed Knot
Mar 02 2009 09:05 AM
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="SteveJRogers":1nac43oz]I wouldn't be so sure. Given the Mets medical staff history ... [/quote:1nac43oz]
And what history is that?
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SteveJRogers
Mar 02 2009 09:08 AM
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Mo Vaughn, Ryan Church, Billy Wagner, John Maine, etc.
This crack staff would give someone a day-to-day diagnosis for a brain tumor!
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Frayed Knot
Mar 02 2009 09:10 AM
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So it's the medical staff fault that those players got hurt?
If so I think we should fire the entire medical team and hire the staff from one of the teams without injuries.
Remind me who those are again?
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Benjamin Grimm
Mar 02 2009 09:11 AM
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Ryan Church's concussion seems to be the one thing that's been truly botched in recent years. But saying someone is day-to-day doesn't mean the medical staff is a bunch of boobs; it could mean that they're not too hasty to make a panicky diagnosis.
I'd want to pause and make sure too before consigning somebody to surgery or the 60-day DL.
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SteveJRogers
Mar 02 2009 09:27 AM
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="Frayed Knot":o41s9oyl]So it's the medical staff fault that those players got hurt?
If so I think we should fire the entire medical team and hire the staff from one of the teams without injuries.
Remind me who those are again?[/quote:o41s9oyl]
So, how much does Fredo pay you?
No, it is not the Mets training and medical staff's fault that injuries happen, it is the staff's fault for the misdiagnosises, the lack of desire to give proper care and treatment just to get the players back on the field and the general sense that they really are a bunch of quacks.
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SteveJRogers
Mar 02 2009 09:30 AM
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="Benjamin Grimm":7pulkn2q]Ryan Church's concussion seems to be the one thing that's been truly botched in recent years. But saying someone is day-to-day doesn't mean the medical staff is a bunch of boobs; it could mean that they're not too hasty to make a panicky diagnosis.
I'd want to pause and make sure too before consigning somebody to surgery or the 60-day DL.[/quote:7pulkn2q]
Considering this team goes from an 85-90 win team to a 75-80 win team without Santana, yeah I would understand a panicky diagnosis and getting him into an MRI.
Again, better be safe than have him blow out his arm in April and losing him for more than just 2009.
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Edgy DC
Mar 02 2009 09:35 AM
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And naturally, if he hurts himself, it'll be directly connected to his not getting an MRI this weekend.
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TransMonk
Mar 02 2009 09:45 AM
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They call medicine a "practice" for a reason.
I was walking to work a month ago and got a severe headache, tightness in my throat, dizziness and loss of balance. I got rushed to the hospital and they said my symptoms indicated I had a small stroke. But after a spinal tap, CT scan and multiple MRIs they could not find anything showing any blockage...in other words, no stroke. I've now visited different doctors (pulminologist, neurologist, physical therapist, opthomologist) 2-3 times per week for the past month and they're still not sure what's wrong. The initial diagnosis was an inner-ear virus, then I was diagnosed with Sarcoidosis, which is a problem, but seemingly unrealated.
After a month, I'm still only at about 80% with my balance and I have abnormal sensation ability on the left half of my body. I really have no idea if it will start to get better tomorrow or if I'll be this way the rest of my life. I'm well enough to perform daily activities, but I'm not running or exercising at all. I have another MRI scheduled for Wednesday (but I don't have to travel to New York).
I feel like I'm guessing Church did last year. I could not even play catch with a buddy right now, but I'm not giving up hope that I couldn't at this time next week. I'd call my self day-to-day, and would not want to be put on the 60 day DL.
I don't know if these or any doctors could be called quacks, it's just that the body is a very complex thing that differs greatly from person to person.
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Edgy DC
Mar 02 2009 09:47 AM
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Perspective.
Get well, Monk.
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Benjamin Grimm
Mar 02 2009 09:48 AM
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Geez, Monk, I hope you feel better soon.
Your account reads like an episode of <i>House</i>.
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TransMonk
Mar 02 2009 09:56 AM
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Thanks guys.
I've never watched House, but I've had many, many people say that.
I was hoping to at least get a rare disease named after me.
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Kong76
Mar 02 2009 10:36 AM
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Speedy health, Tmonk.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 02 2009 10:38 AM
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Yeah, hope you're feeling better soon. Gotta be tough to be troubled by unexplainable stuff.
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Rockin' Doc
Mar 02 2009 10:40 AM
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I hope you get feeling better soon.
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themetfairy
Mar 02 2009 10:47 AM
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Feel better TMonk!
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Benjamin Grimm
Mar 02 2009 10:52 AM
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Kind of selfish, though, how TransMonk has hijacked Johan Santana's thread.
Have some respect for the guy with the $137 million contract!
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Gwreck
Mar 02 2009 10:53 AM
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Best wishes for speedy recovery.
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TransMonk
Mar 02 2009 11:02 AM
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="Benjamin Grimm":10s8n325]Kind of selfish, though, how TransMonk has hijacked Johan Santana's thread.
Have some respect for the guy with the $137 million contract![/quote:10s8n325]
HA! The jist was really the first and last sentences of the post.
And that I recently have a little more respect for Church and his health problems last year...and for any injured athlete for that matter. My job doesn't depend on me being fully-functional physically. I can't imagine being in my condition and being a pro-athlete with money, passion and fan opinion on the line.
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MFS62
Mar 02 2009 11:05 AM
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Hope they find out what it is and cure it soon, Monk.
And we hope its something they've seen before, not something new that they have to name after you.
Later
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Centerfield
Mar 02 2009 11:10 AM
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Whatever. Pop a couple of Advil and walk it off. Like you ever use your lower left-side anyway.
I'm kidding. Perhaps in bad taste. Feel better soon. It is incredibly frustrating when all the doctors in the world seem unable to pinpoint a problem. Here's to hoping they figure it out (and cure it) soon.
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metirish
Mar 02 2009 11:20 AM
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Rub some dirt on it for fecks sake Monk.....
Seriously it made for somber reading..I thought at first you were taking the piss then I was hoping you were...get well ..
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themetfairy
Mar 02 2009 11:23 AM
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D-Dad had a bad case of vertigo about five years ago. Not as debilitating or long-lasting as TMonk's, but frustrating as hell.
These things can be weird - sometimes they just run their course without explanation.
Hopefully this will be out of your system soon.
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Frayed Knot
Mar 02 2009 02:04 PM
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| ="SteveJRogers"]So, how much does Fredo pay you? |
OK, I give up. Who the hell is Fredo?
| ]No, it is not the Mets training and medical staff's fault that injuries happen, it is the staff's fault for the misdiagnosises, the lack of desire to give proper care and treatment just to get the players back on the field and the general sense that they really are a bunch of quacks. |
If you're going to label "quacks" whenever an exact diagnosis and return date isn't nailed down within 24 hours of an injury then you're never going to be happy with any medical staff and instead are going to sound like one of those idiot fans who wonders why only his closer blows games.
And I'm not even going to ask you where you came up with "lack of desire to give proper care and treatment".
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 02 2009 02:12 PM
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="Frayed Knot":dd6jvwzq]="SteveJRogers":dd6jvwzq]So, how much does Fredo pay you?[/quote:dd6jvwzq]
OK, I give up. Who the hell is Fredo?[/quote:dd6jvwzq]
Fred? Jeff? (As in, the incompetent son?) Special Medical Adviser to the New York Mets, Zombie John Cazale?
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Edgy DC
Mar 02 2009 02:14 PM
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="SteveJRogers":3ed1rmeg]="Frayed Knot":3ed1rmeg]So it's the medical staff fault that those players got hurt?
If so I think we should fire the entire medical team and hire the staff from one of the teams without injuries.
Remind me who those are again?[/quote:3ed1rmeg]
So, how much does Fredo pay you?
No, it is not the Mets training and medical staff's fault that injuries happen, it is the staff's fault for the misdiagnosises, the lack of desire to give proper care and treatment just to get the players back on the field and the general sense that they really are a bunch of quacks.[/quote:3ed1rmeg]
And all these guys were misdiagnoses (or "misdiagnosises")?
You know that the medical staff has been turned over since Mo Vaughn's day, right? Twice, I think.
Steve, are you gunning for Davidoff's job or something.
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Kong76
Mar 02 2009 02:16 PM
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SJR: No, it is not the Mets training and medical staff's fault that injuries happen, it is the staff's fault for the misdiagnosises, the lack of desire to give proper care and treatment just to get the players back on the field and the general sense that they really are a bunch of quacks <<<
You've out done yourself. Again.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 02 2009 02:59 PM
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Relatively new here.
Is it silly to ask what SJR's "deal" is, generally speaking?
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Edgy DC
Mar 02 2009 03:02 PM
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No.
It may be silly to expect to understand the answer, however.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 02 2009 03:07 PM
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| ="Edgy DC"]No.
It may be silly to expect to understand the answer, however. |
All those times there was one set of footprints... SJR was carrying me?
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TransMonk
Mar 02 2009 03:08 PM
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| ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]
All those times there was one set of footprints... SJR was carrying me? |
Bullet of cool!
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SteveJRogers
Mar 02 2009 03:56 PM
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| ="Frayed Knot"]
OK, I give up. Who the hell is Fredo? |
Wilpon.
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If you're going to label "quacks" whenever an exact diagnosis and return date isn't nailed down within 24 hours of an injury then you're never going to be happy with any medical staff and instead are going to sound like one of those idiot fans who wonders why only his closer blows games.
And I'm not even going to ask you where you came up with "lack of desire to give proper care and treatment". |
Okay, fine I'll give you that point. But at the end of the day, this staff is still very cloak and dagger on just about every single medical issue.
Is player A okay to play?
He's day-to-day.
Okay, but he's been out for a week, shouldn't someone look at him?
Nah, he is day-to-day, we are going with his word.
And it especially looks worse right now when Dan Warthen apparently was under the impression that Santana WAS gearing up for the WBC, when it was decided about a month ago that Santana was NOT going to be pitching in the WBC.
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metirish
Mar 02 2009 04:11 PM
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Really though are the Mets any different that any other organization in regards to medical reports? I would say NHL teams are the most notorious of the "day to day" injury reports.
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SteveJRogers
Mar 02 2009 04:30 PM
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="metirish":dalf2wz3]Really though are the Mets any different that any other organization in regards to medical reports? I would say NHL teams are the most notorious of the "day to day" injury reports.[/quote:dalf2wz3]
NFL is worse though. Because they have to list the injury list every week. Great example, every week for a couple of years the Pats listed Tom Brady on the injury list, probably at the least severe level, with an arm situation. This was done as to not "tip" off the opposition or some nonsense.
I hear you though, it is just that the Mets, and other teams do seem to treat the fans and the media like idiots with the way they handle injury situations.
Maybe I'm being too harsh on the medical staff here, fine, then maybe it is the PR staff, maybe it's Omar, I don't know then, but there is something rather infuriating with the way the Mets handle injury situations.
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Kong76
Mar 02 2009 04:36 PM
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SJR: But at the end of the day, this staff is still very cloak and dagger on just about every single medical issue <<<
Keep diggin Stevers, name one team in Major League Baseball that does better
when it comes to reporting actual news on what's going on with high profile
franchise players.
Name one team that does it 20% better and provide insight into how you ac-
tually know what you're talking about.
Name one team that does it 10% better if you can't do that.
Cloak and dagger??? Sheesh.
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Frayed Knot
Mar 02 2009 04:47 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 02 2009 05:32 PM
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So if I don't trash the medical staff I must be some kind of Wilpon suck-up?
I think you want to re-think that one.
"Okay, fine I'll give you that point."
You mean the point about the medical staff not wanting injuries to linger and hurt the club? -- Very big of you.
" But at the end of the day, this staff is still very cloak and dagger on just about every single medical issue."
'Cloak and Dagger'? You mean if a player gets hurt during a game it's some kind of conspiracy of silence unless they have the complete diagnosis and exact return date by the morning papers?
Medicine doesn't work that way Steve-O and things like waiting for swelling to go down of seeing if a problem will heal on its own are often proper procedures not examples of malpractice.
"Is player A okay to play? -- He's day-to-day.
Okay, but he's been out for a week, shouldn't someone look at him?
Nah, he is day-to-day, we are going with his word."
As Vince Scully says, 'Aren't we all?' (day-to-day)
Again, see the point above about medical science not running on the same schedule as beat reporters or stupid fans who are too pissed off to think straight and therefore spout off on topics they know nothing about because they think it makes them sound superior.
The only thing worse is listening to those idiots and the repeating what they say as if gospel.
"And it especially looks worse right now when Dan Warthen apparently was under the impression that Santana WAS gearing up for the WBC, when it was decided about a month ago that Santana was NOT going to be pitching in the WBC."
Something which has nothing to do with the medical staff.
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Rockin' Doc
Mar 02 2009 05:16 PM
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LWFS - <i>"Relatively new here.
Is it silly to ask what SJR's "deal" is, generally speaking?</i>
I have a theory that Steve may be a distant relative of King Nebuchednezzar. Of course, I could be wrong.
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SteveJRogers
Mar 02 2009 05:25 PM
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="Frayed Knot"]="SteveJRogers"]Wilpon.| ]
So if I don't trash the medical staff I must be some kind of Wilpon suck-up?
I think you want to re-think that one.
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No, you seem to stick up for the Met organization and players quite often, to the point where yeah, you do sound like a Kool Aid drinking Met fan.
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metirish
Mar 02 2009 05:31 PM
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Steve you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel with that jibe at FK. A thread about one of the games best pictures has turned into a SJR thread , happens far too often.
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Frayed Knot
Mar 02 2009 05:38 PM
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Do you really think I stick up for the Wilpons irrationally or have you gotten to the point where you're simply labeling anyone who doesn't trash them incessantly as a suck-up because you think that puts you in with the in crowd?
Either way, if you want to find examples where you think I did so we can debate the specific topic(s) individually, but don't make blanket statements about my opinions that you can't back up -- like the one that started this discussion for instance.
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Edgy DC
Mar 02 2009 06:09 PM
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Does Wilpon even serve Kool-Aid anymore? Because I'm really thirsty and I think I'm entitled to some.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 02 2009 06:55 PM
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If said Kool-Aid is cherry- and/or mango-flavored, and it will knock me unconscious for the last two weeks of October, I will drink this Kool-Aid.
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Benjamin Grimm
Mar 02 2009 06:56 PM
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="metirish":1tgpntg3]happens far too often.[/quote:1tgpntg3]
Yep. It's tiresome.
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Clueless Koolaid Guzzler
Mar 02 2009 07:15 PM
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="SteveJRogers":1qlt4bm3]
No, you seem to stick up for the Met organization and players quite often, to the point where yeah, you do sound like a Kool Aid drinking Met fan.[/quote:1qlt4bm3]
hey! you say that like it's a bad thing.
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metirish
Mar 03 2009 07:28 PM
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Mets' Santana won't be ready for Opening Day
BY DAVID LENNON | david.lennon@newsday.com
4:50 PM EST, March 3, 2009
The Mets finally came to terms Tuesday with the reality that Johan Santana is not going to be their Opening Day starter for April 6 in Cincinnati.
Santana will have another bullpen session tomorrow morning, but the delay caused by the tightness in his left elbow is going to push him back to the fifth turn of that first week, which is Saturday, April 11, in Florida.
Pitching coach Dan Warthen explained that Santana is not likely to get into a Grapefruit League game until March 18. That pretty much wipes out any chance of him being ready for Opening Day.
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Benjamin Grimm
Mar 03 2009 08:28 PM
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April 11 is no tragedy.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 03 2009 08:37 PM
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May 1 is no tragedy neither.
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Edgy DC
Mar 03 2009 08:50 PM
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Tomorrow's scapegoating articles can just write themselves.
That's a little tragic.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 03 2009 10:57 PM
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How is this at 20/20 update status on the 'FAN? (He asks rhetorically... since it is.)
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MFS62
Mar 04 2009 01:21 PM
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Frayed Knot
Mar 10 2009 06:43 AM
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Well they're about to be toyed with again because Johan says he's feeling good and aiming for Opening Day (a phrase that should always be capitalized, btw). He used all his pitches in yesterday's throwing session and is scheduled for a Thursday start.
So the thousands of trees and E-trees that were killed in order to make room for the multitude of columns and blogs detailing the dire consequences and medical malpractice in connection with Santana's left wing turned out to have given their lives in vain all over a soreness which required that miracle of modern medicine ... a 3-day break.
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themetfairy
Mar 10 2009 06:45 AM
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Either that, or that liniment really works!
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metirish
Mar 17 2009 12:18 PM
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Great news.
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Mets' Santana throws four innings without incident
BY DAVID LENNON | david.lennon@newsday.com
1:41 PM EDT, March 17, 2009
PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. - More than any one pitch, the best indication of Johan Santana's mindset as he prepares for Opening Day came during the second inning of Tuesday's minor-league game on Field 7. Santana was so sure he had Scott Grimes struck out on a changeup in the dirt that he stormed off the back of the mound to argue with the umpire behind him.
That's right. Scott Grimes, who was playing for the Worcester Tornadoes last season. Santana buried a changeup, and Grimes -- not used to that kind of pitch in the Can-Am League -- clearly did not check his swing. Which is why Santana was annoyed.
"Oh yeah, this is a game," Santana said. "You have to do whatever it takes to even win that game and get ready. Because that's the thing, when Opening Day comes, there's not going to be any practice. You've got to be ready.
"So that's what we're trying to do now, focus on throwing all of the pitches, on controlling the strike zone and throwing changeups and sliders. I think we're pretty good. We're on the right track."
The irritated Santana finished off Grimes with a fastball that he missed for strike three -- no discussion there -- and completed his four-inning stint without incident. Overall, Santana allowed six hits and two earned runs, with five strikeouts and no walks.
He threw 56 pitches, 40 for strikes, and his fastball stayed in the 87-89 mph range. With three more starts to go, Santana figures to build up more arm strength and the velocity should increase as well over the next three weeks.
"We're still working," Santana said. "I don't work by percentages or anything, but I think we still have some room to improve and to get better and that's what we're focused on right now."
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