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="Fman99":17n0vmnt]The only thing worse than bacne is sacne.[/quote:17n0vmnt]
Cracne is no picnic.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 06 2009 11:36 AM
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Bozacne, ouch
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Centerfield
Mar 06 2009 12:15 PM
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I'm thinking now that FMan is here, we can no longer be considered elitist.
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vtmet
Mar 06 2009 12:31 PM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2uttcaio]
I'm just as suspicious ... Rey Ordonez ...
[/quote:2uttcaio]
Rey Ordonez, Roger Cedeno and Carl Everett would not surprise me...and also would back up the theory that juicing doesn't necessarily help you hit a baseball...
Something happened with both Ordonez and Cedeno, whether it was too many carbs or something illegal that helped them grow...they both went from relatively skinny and agile, to Ordonez looking a little too buff to field his position the way that he originally did (plus he did have that temper issue that Carl Everett also shared)...and Cedeno went from a speedster to overweight and slow pretty quickly...
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Fman99
Mar 06 2009 01:30 PM
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="Centerfield":drblruy8]I'm thinking now that FMan is here, we can no longer be considered elitist.[/quote:drblruy8]
Should I be honored or offended? Or indifferent?
I shall ponder that while I apply a balm to my sacne.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 06 2009 05:41 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 06 2009 11:16 PM
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="A Boy Named Seo"]Agreed that everyone's a suspect (Batch included), but that was a lame piece of writing. This part was especially douchey and unprofessional:
| ]When steroids became a daily subject in newspaper articles I wanted to write about Piazza’s acne-covered back. I was prepared to describe it in disgusting living color. But two or three times my editors at The New York Times would not allow it. Piazza, they said, had never been accused of using steroids so I couldn’t write about it.
But wait, I said, if I write about it, I will in effect be accusing Piazza of using steroids and then someone will have accused him of using steroids. No can do, I was told. I always took the veto to stem from the Times ultra conservative ways, but I also wondered if it maybe was the baseball editor, a big Mets’ fan, protecting the Mets. |
Get off your old Andy Rooney ass and go and do some investigative journalism if you want to turn something up. Jocks do stupid shit like writing checks for drugs, so maybe the minimal effort by Chass could pull up a nugget. |
Even better, he deigns Sherms' writing as generally beneath his notice, since it's in the Post. This implicit-- and unfounded-- accusation of journalistic ethics at his former employer comes a few paragraphs later.
I wonder if Chass considers only his own thoughts and ideas worth reading these days. (It would help explain his feelings about modern stats:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/sport ... oref=login )
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Edgy DC
Mar 06 2009 06:16 PM
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I don't want to hear any more on this topic. Here's seven paragraphs on it.
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cooby
Mar 07 2009 12:07 PM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1liogtnf]Bozacne, ouch[/quote:1liogtnf]
I'm cracking up here, sacne, cracne, but what is bozacne?
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 07 2009 08:36 PM
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="cooby":38efsb9w]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":38efsb9w]Bozacne, ouch[/quote:38efsb9w]
I'm cracking up here, sacne, cracne, but what is bozacne?[/quote:38efsb9w]
As in, acne on the 'bozack.' (A corruption of 'ballsack.')
/Urban dictionary'd
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 07 2009 08:38 PM
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See I thought bozack was just a euphamism for "junk"
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 07 2009 08:45 PM
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Let that knowledge be MY gift for the Lunchpail. :)
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Methead
Mar 08 2009 09:26 AM
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| ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]See I thought bozack was just a euphamism for "junk" |
Same here.
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cooby
Mar 08 2009 09:53 AM
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Now that would have been a funny topic for "The More You Know"
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metsguyinmichigan
Mar 08 2009 01:32 PM
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Murray Chass is a major Yankee Hack. Part of me wonders if this is at least partially motivated as a response to the ARod mess, another Yankee with roid issues.
Piazza obviously is one of the biggest stars from the team on the other side of the town, which aside from a former employee and Guillermo Mota, has not had many roid links (discovered, at least)
So Piazza hasn't tested positive for anything, didn't appear in the Mitchell Report, wasn't mentioned in any Canseco book and look like an idiot appearing before Congress. He was certainly muscular, but didn't get huge like Bonds, McGwire and Sosa.
So Chass, years later, uses a case of bacne to link Piazza-- the Mets' biggest star and next Hall of Famer -- to steroids.
The timing and the source are just to suspicious.
The New York media had time to ask Mike whether he was gay, but never asked him whether he was taking 'roids? If anyone should be criticized here, it should be Chass.
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Edgy DC
Mar 08 2009 02:34 PM
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In the interest of not reading a Steve J. Rogers rant about how everybody is a hypocrite but him because he only roots for the underwear stains, I don't think the Mets look too good in the world of illegal PEDs, nor would look any better if and when the chapter is closed.
Violations Leading to Suspensions:
2005:
Felix Heredia
2006:
Yusaku Iriki
Guillermo Mota (out of only three suspensions that season)
2007:
Lino Urdaneta
Ex-Mets Who've Drawn Suspensions:
Matt Lawton
Mike Cameron
Former Mets implicated in the Mitchell Report:
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Matt Franco
Mo Vaughn
Chris Donnells
Todd Pratt
Mike Stanton
Paul Lo Duca
Fernando Vina
Mets and Former Mets Implicated in Criminal Investigations Subsequent to the Publication of the Mitchell Report:
Paul Byrd
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Scott Schoeneweis
Obviously, the timeline is different for everybody, but my count says that the Mets have sent 21 past-, present-, or future-drug cheats out there to play for them, to say nothing of harboring a longtime big-time supplier, and I dont think we can see our team above anybody in terms of culpability. Steve Phillips weak public declarations that he had his suspicions about certain players but somehow felt powerless to confront the issue certainly don't help.
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Edgy DC
Mar 08 2009 02:43 PM
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More from the Mets in the Minors:
Tim Haines
Waner Mateo
Kyle Suire (just reported five weeks ago)
Dan Serafini
Former Mets:
Henry Owens
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smg58
Mar 08 2009 03:33 PM
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The Mets are as blame-ridden as every other team. The difference with the Yankees is that the Yankees have had several very high-profile current players (along with a certain former player who would have been a HOF lock otherwise) linked to steroids and HGH, while the Mets have not, and they have been subjected to more media scrutiny as a result. I don't think metsguy's assessment of Chass' motivations is necessarily off.
I'm also bugged by Sherman dwelling on Piazza's draft position. He's implying that not only wouldn't Piazza have had a HOF career without steroids, he wouldn't have had ANY career.
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metsguyinmichigan
Mar 08 2009 04:54 PM
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Thanks!
My point: Why Piazza, and why now?
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Kong76
Mar 08 2009 05:06 PM
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Because he wasn't a Yankee.
I don't doubt that Piazza indulged a little, but I also don't think he went over
board with it. The whole acne on the back slant is hilarious to me ... turned
off reporters but not Playboy models?
Hmmm.
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SteveJRogers
Mar 09 2009 04:47 PM
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="smg58":mx3otrw5]
I'm also bugged by Sherman dwelling on Piazza's draft position. He's implying that not only wouldn't Piazza have had a HOF career without steroids, he wouldn't have had ANY career.[/quote:mx3otrw5]
Good point. No doubt Sherman would dismiss accusations of Don Mattingly who is at best a player you can have an argument about being in the Hall.
Does Sherman question someone like Tom Brady who was the 199th pick in the NFL draft of anything other than having a "deal with the Devil?"
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Gwreck
Mar 09 2009 08:19 PM
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="SteveJRogers":1rqf1ta4]Does Sherman question someone like Tom Brady who was the 199th pick in the NFL draft of anything other than having a "deal with the Devil?"[/quote:1rqf1ta4]
Apples and chimpanzees.
Brady didn't come from Slippery Rock; he started for the University of Michigan and was surrounded by excellent players while with New England.
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SteveJRogers
Mar 09 2009 08:23 PM
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="Gwreck":3lqsoyct]="SteveJRogers":3lqsoyct]Does Sherman question someone like Tom Brady who was the 199th pick in the NFL draft of anything other than having a "deal with the Devil?"[/quote:3lqsoyct]
Apples and chimpanzees.
Brady didn't come from Slippery Rock; he started for the University of Michigan and was surrounded by excellent players while with New England.[/quote:3lqsoyct]
Wasn't he Drew Henson's backup?
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metsguyinmichigan
Mar 09 2009 11:37 PM
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Brady was the starter during the 1999 season, at least in the games I went to.
But certainly no one thought he'd become the star that he is. In fact, after the season, my son and I spoke to him for a while as he was signing free autographs at a Grand Rapids car show. Seemed like a decent enough guy.
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attgig
Mar 10 2009 11:29 AM
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it seemed like piazza starting dating in 04, to getting himself married in jan 05. maybe the steroids caused the gay gene to flare up too. and once he stopped the roids, he went straight....
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metsmarathon
Mar 10 2009 11:56 AM
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is brady's post-collegiate success due to him getting stronger? i mean, if he were a running back, or a linebacker, i'd consider it a bit. but in college could he not throw the long ball, and now, as a roided up pro, he can, and that's the key to his success?
i doubt it.
what makes brady good is that he executes consistently, and under pressure, and does not often make mistakes. also he gets lucky at times, what with fumbles being called incomplete forward passes, and the like. who knows, maybe he's taking ritalin... but i'd hardly think that his rise to success is due to steroids. ditto kurt warner. sometimes its just about honing your craft, falling into a good system, and having he right opportunities presented to you.
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Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 12:05 PM
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It's also a stretch comparing the 199th football player taken to the 1,390th baseball player.
Football, using twice as many players at the NFL level, the 199th football pick would be more comparable to a mid-to-late third round pick in baseball. Certainly not the 62nd round.
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metirish
Mar 11 2009 09:12 AM
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Piazza responds to acne claim in article about his duties as hitting coach. Some good stuff in here , I never knew about him possibly becoming a deacon in the Catholic Church.
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Piazza makes impact as Italy's hitting coach
Mark Herrmann
March 11, 2009
TORONTO
There is no telling where Mike Piazza will go next. Even he does not know. As New York knows and Italy is the latest to attest, wherever it is, the place will be better for it.
The greatest-hitting catcher that these eyes ever have seen is in the "What's next?" phase of his life. At 40 he is going to be a father for the second time, an author for the first time. He might go into broadcasting, he might go into the pulpit. He's going to go to Cooperstown. What else is in the cards is not set. Just bet on it being good.
Figure on him being as helpful for someone as he was for the Mets and, this week, for Italy's national baseball team. As their hitting coach, he helped the country achieve its biggest win ever in baseball, beating Canada, 6-2, on Canada's own artificial turf Monday in the World Baseball Classic.
No matter how seriously you take this spring training tournament, you can't deny what a moment that was for the native Italian players who wanted to feel more like pros and the American pros who wanted to feel more Italian.
There was the sheer joy of seeing Chris Cooper of Pittsburgh, who pitched 2 2/3 scoreless innings, make a name for himself. He recalled that when his grandfather came to Ellis Island from Italy in 1911, there was a snafu in spelling his surname, Cocchiariaro. Someone saw a nameplate of an official there and put that on the immigrant, just like in the movies.
Of course, nobody involved with the team is a bigger name than Piazza. It turns out his role was much more than ceremonial. That comes from Chris Denorfia, an outfielder from Connecticut, who seized on good pregame advice in the cage from Piazza and went 4-for-4 with three doubles.
"I'd watch out, guys, because he is a heck of a hitting coach," said Denorfia, who was on the Athletics' disabled list with Piazza two seasons ago. "Just having him in there as a future Hall of Famer in your ear ... . you can't help but absorb just his presence and his knowledge.
"I'm sure you remember watching him play and seeing his power the other way. Just his presence at the plate, you knew you couldn't get some pitches by him. He's really helping me in that aspect, just feeling strong on every pitch."
Piazza knows that hitting coaches don't win games. "I just sat there [Monday]," he said. But he has been around this team enough to know how much that win meant.
"It's a tremendous lift for not only the kids here now but, hopefully, for the future of the game in Italy," he said "They know that if they play games and get practice and work against top-notch competition, they're going to get better. It's a win-win all the way around. They worked so hard, and to see their work pay off is satisfying."
If anybody knows that tune, it's him. His work paid off in an amazing career and a good life that leaves him with options.
He will help the Italian baseball federation, but doesn't want to be away from his wife, daughter and soon-to-be born baby in Florida. Television appeals to him, but he knows he will have to put in the time to meet his own standard and he would rather be with his family. He is working on a book that is scheduled to come out next spring training. "Stories about those crazy years with the Mets," he said.
Piazza is proud of videos he did to promote his faith, www.championsoffaith.com, and he is serious about possibly becoming a deacon in the Catholic Church. What he might do for a new career is up in the air.
For now, he still is identified with the last career, when he was one of the finest players of his era. He knows the era, knows his name comes up when people talk steroids.
"How do you answer that?" he said, alluding to one of the so-called telltale signs. "I had acne since I was 12."
How about a presumption of innocence? All I know is he was on the receiving end of a rage-filled, bat-throwing episode.
I never saw Josh Gibson, I saw Yogi Berra at the very end. Piazza is the best offensive catcher this peanut stand ever watched. He gets my vote for the Hall of Fame. The Hall will be enriched by having him.
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Centerfield
Mar 11 2009 09:19 AM
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Piazza's been juicing since he was 12?
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Edgy DC
Mar 11 2009 09:31 AM
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I like how Hermann is so set in his position going into the article that he uses the "these eyes ever have seen" cliche. Thanks, Ned Beatty.
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dinosaur jesus
Mar 11 2009 11:37 AM
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I never saw the boils on Mickey Cochrane's butt cheeks, or the blackheads on Ernie Lombardi's nose. But I saw John Stearns go 3 for 3 and steal two bases with a zit on the inside of his thigh that would have crippled an ordinary man. I saw a whitehead on Jerry Grote's forehead that got so inflamed when he squeezed it, Tug McGraw asked him if he was a Hindu, and couldn't stop laughing even when Jerry punched him out. And I saw Ron Hodges catch a doubleheader with a case of shingles you could cover a house with. But these old eyes have never seen anything like the opposite field power and back acne that Mike Piazza brought to the table every night. The drugstore in Cooperstown had better stock up on Clearasil, because Mike is moving in to stay.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 11 2009 11:40 AM
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holy shit i'm dying
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 11 2009 11:41 AM
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="dinosaur jesus":3a30oq09]I never saw the boils on Mickey Cochrane's butt cheeks, or the blackheads on Ernie Lombardi's nose. But I saw John Stearns go 3 for 3 and steal two bases with a zit on the inside of his thigh that would have crippled an ordinary man. I saw a whitehead on Jerry Grote's forehead that got so inflamed when he squeezed it, Tug McGraw asked him if he was a Hindu, and couldn't stop laughing even when Jerry punched him out. And I saw Ron Hodges catch a doubleheader with a case of shingles you could cover a house with. But these old eyes have never seen anything like the opposite field power and back acne that Mike Piazza brought to the table every night. The drugstore in Cooperstown had better stock up on Clearasil, because Mike is moving in to stay.[/quote:3a30oq09]
dying, i tellya
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metirish
Mar 11 2009 11:44 AM
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Hilarious , your going to the next round for sure.
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Kong76
Mar 11 2009 07:03 PM
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dj: I never saw the boils on Mickey Cochrane's butt cheeks, or the blackheads on Ernie Lombardi's nose. But I saw John Stearns go 3 for 3 and steal two bases with a zit on the inside of his thigh that would have crippled an ordinary man. I saw a whitehead on Jerry Grote's forehead that got so inflamed when he squeezed it, Tug McGraw asked him if he was a Hindu, and couldn't stop laughing even when Jerry punched him out. And I saw Ron Hodges catch a doubleheader with a case of shingles you could cover a house with. But these old eyes have never seen anything like the opposite field power and back acne that Mike Piazza brought to the table every night. The drugstore in Cooperstown had better stock up on Clearasil, because Mike is moving in to stay <<<
Lol ... post more, read less.
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bmfc1
Mar 22 2009 12:38 PM
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http://www.murraychass.com/
Chass goes after Mike Piazza again today. Murray: If you think he took steroids, then say so. Maybe he did. Show me proof other than zits. If you do, I might believe you. If you don't, then shut the [frig] up because you come across as a bitter, old man.
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seawolf17
Mar 22 2009 12:49 PM
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="Murray Chass":2mgd3dj2]I don’t think it’s fair to quote unnamed people about someone’s steroids or other drug use,[/quote:2mgd3dj2]
but I think it's fair just to make up wild, unproven allegations based on one sighting of a medical condition that I know nothing about. I'm an elderly white man, therefore I'm imherently qualified to make medical diagnoses.
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MFS62
Mar 22 2009 12:57 PM
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| ="seawolf17"] I'm an elderly white man, therefore I'm imherently qualified to make medical diagnoses. |
But, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
Later
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Edgy DC
Mar 22 2009 01:10 PM
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Well, Chass has something more than bacne there. He has a source, by way of Pearlman.
Now, I haven't read the book, but if we really wants to track down this white whale, he might do well to talk to Jefferson himself and find out where he was coming from, or go to Pearlman and ask him to help get access to those un-named sources.
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