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="MFS62":2jf015l3]They got tossed out of a game by Lee (the anti-Mets bully) Weyer?[/quote:2jf015l3]
I don't remember Seaver ever getting ejected from a Met game.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 26 2009 09:29 AM
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Injected miraculousness-enhancing PEDs?
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Edgy DC
Mar 26 2009 10:15 AM
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Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 26 2009 10:17 AM
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="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3t5eued5]Injected miraculousness-enhancing PEDs?[/quote:3t5eued5]
Yes Alex. I'll take Mets for $400. The answer -- I mean question -- is -- Who are Al Weis and Ron Swoboda?
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 26 2009 10:20 AM
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="Edgy DC":3f55yhsx]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er.[/quote:3f55yhsx]
This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7.
[u:3f55yhsx]Hint #7[/u:3f55yhsx]. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 26 2009 12:07 PM
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[u:1q7c9p8m]Hint #8[/u:1q7c9p8m]. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer.
[u:1q7c9p8m]Hint #9[/u:1q7c9p8m]. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months.
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G-Fafif
Mar 26 2009 01:04 PM
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Does this have anything to do with Met managers?
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metirish
Mar 26 2009 01:12 PM
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="G-Fafif":1lv2v53h]Does this have anything to do with Met managers?[/quote:1lv2v53h]
All six were hung like Yogi?
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G-Fafif
Mar 26 2009 01:16 PM
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="metirish":2pwumxb3]="G-Fafif":2pwumxb3]Does this have anything to do with Met managers?[/quote:2pwumxb3]
All six were hung like Yogi?[/quote:2pwumxb3]
Cleon and Tug just missed the cut.
But not Art Shamsky!
I'm thinking something about multiple in-season managerial changes or interim managers is the common thread. One would have to include the brief fill-in tenure of Rube Walker in '68 to make this work, I think. Also, Garrett was gone before Frazier gave way to Torre, so I may be off here.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 26 2009 01:59 PM
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="G-Fafif":3chkgx1f]Does this have anything to do with Met managers?[/quote:3chkgx1f]
The answer doesn't. But here's hint #10, which does have something to do with managers.
[u:3chkgx1f]Hint #10[/u:3chkgx1f]. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 26 2009 02:01 PM
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="metirish":30ysumtj]All six were hung like Yogi?[/quote:30ysumtj]
There's nothing quite like Yogi. Never was. Never will be.
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G-Fafif
Mar 26 2009 02:18 PM
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Anything to do with Shea?
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 26 2009 02:23 PM
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(Four) Appearances on Kiner's Korner?
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G-Fafif
Mar 26 2009 02:31 PM
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Threw up their hands in disgust, wondering how everything went south so quickly? Which is to say part of a Mets team that had a wild fluctuation in the standings, bad to good, then good to bad and back again?
Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were all outta here before the '75 season. Jones was released during that season. Seaver plus your original five plus your coaches were there in '75 (but Yogi didn't last out that year, so hung was he).
All but Staub played for Gil Hodges.
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MFS62
Mar 26 2009 02:33 PM
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They all played for a last place team and a pennant winning team.
Later
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G-Fafif
Mar 26 2009 02:39 PM
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="MFS62":2fhw62t1]They all played for a last place team and a pennant winning team.
Later[/quote:2fhw62t1]
Wayne Garrett didn't play for a last-place Mets team. Maybe next-to-last place is what's going on here, though Tug was on the '66 Mets (but not '68 Mets).
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 26 2009 02:43 PM
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="G-Fafif":2t9ocdb9]Anything to do with Shea?[/quote:2t9ocdb9]
Other than that those Mets played all of their home games there? No.
="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":2t9ocdb9](Four) Appearances on Kiner's Korner?[/quote:2t9ocdb9]
Steve Henderson probably appeared on Kiner's Korner about a dozen times before the end of his first month as a Met.
="G-Fafif":2t9ocdb9]
Cleon and Tug just missed the cut.
But not Art Shamsky![/quote:2t9ocdb9]
Art Shamsky did it just once. Bob Ojeda never did it. That was hint #11. And 12.
[u:2t9ocdb9]Hint #13[/u:2t9ocdb9]. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.
[u:2t9ocdb9]Hint #14[/u:2t9ocdb9]. I just did a quick check of modern baseball history and I noticed that among everyday players, Mark Belanger did it six times with the Orioles. And according to the looser version that would include Cleon Jones, Mike Schmidt also did it six times. I can't think of any modern everyday player that could've accomplished this more than six times, but I won't rule it out, because I didn't research the other teams thoroughly enough to say for sure.
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G-Fafif
Mar 26 2009 02:54 PM
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| ]Cleon and Tug just missed the cut.
But not Art Shamsky! |
Wait, we're not talking about Yogi Berra's newly known attribute? 'Cause if we are, I'm thinking Shamsky, Joe Ginsberg, Shawn Green...there was some cutting going on when they were bonus babies.
(I hate myself sometimes.)
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 26 2009 03:17 PM
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="G-Fafif"]| ]Cleon and Tug just missed the cut.
But not Art Shamsky! |
Wait, we're not talking about Yogi Berra's newly known attribute? 'Cause if we are, I'm thinking Shamsky, Joe Ginsberg, Shawn Green...there was some cutting going on when they were bonus babies.
(I hate myself sometimes.) |
I was being circumspect.
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G-Fafif
Mar 26 2009 03:29 PM
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="batmagadanleadoff"]="G-Fafif"]| ]Cleon and Tug just missed the cut.
But not Art Shamsky! |
Wait, we're not talking about Yogi Berra's newly known attribute? 'Cause if we are, I'm thinking Shamsky, Joe Ginsberg, Shawn Green...there was some cutting going on when they were bonus babies.
(I hate myself sometimes.) |
I was being circumspect. |
To Shea.
Which is where all those guys played, but nothing more.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 26 2009 04:56 PM
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="G-Fafif":3flx9u20]To Shea.[/quote:3flx9u20]
Touché. To Shea.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 27 2009 09:01 AM
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[u:2fpqm5aj]Hint #15[/u:2fpqm5aj]. Here's how many times Met managers did it:
Bud Harrelson -4
Yogi Berra - 3
Gil Hodges - 1
Roy McMillan -1
Joe Torre -1
Davey Johnson - 1
Bobby Valentine - 1
All other Met Managers - 0
But I'm not saying whether these managers did it as managers, coaches or players, or some combination - other than Harrelson, where it was already hinted that Bud did it three times as a player and once as a manager/coach. Other than Johnson, all of those managers also either played or coached (or both) for the Mets.
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MFS62
Mar 27 2009 10:21 AM
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I think by now, you could give us the answer as a hint, and we still wouldn't get it.
Later
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 27 2009 10:47 AM
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="batmagadanleadoff":1vx4xyze][u:1vx4xyze]Hint #15[/u:1vx4xyze]. Here's how many times Met managers did it:
Bud Harrelson -4
Yogi Berra - 3
Gil Hodges - 1
Roy McMillan -1
Joe Torre -1
Davey Johnson - 1
Bobby Valentine - 1
All other Met Managers - 0
But I'm not saying whether these managers did it as managers, coaches or players, or some combination - other than Harrelson, where it was already hinted that Bud did it three times as a player and once as a manager/coach. Other than Johnson, all of those managers also either played or coached (or both) for the Mets.[/quote:1vx4xyze]
I made a mistake. Roy McMillan did it twice.
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Benjamin Grimm
Mar 27 2009 11:05 AM
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I Googled "things Roy McMillan did twice."
He was named to the NL All-Star team twice.
He wouldn't think twice about shooting Booker.
He watched Oden work out twice in the summer.
He descended a waterfall twice as high as Niagara.
Twice a week he sits in a lawn chair while the clinic gets calls from women.
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Edgy DC
Mar 27 2009 11:13 AM
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That last one was gonna be my next guess.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 27 2009 11:52 AM
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="Benjamin Grimm":3niay9n1]I Googled "things Roy McMillan did twice."[/quote:3niay9n1]
I didn't plan this ahead of time, but my trivia question appears to be google-proof. Anyone googling here is either confirming a correct response or eliminating a wrong one. But the answer itself is not googleable - or at least not googleable by submitting the question as a search term.
[u:3niay9n1]Hint #16[/u:3niay9n1]. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee.
[u:3niay9n1]Hint #17[/u:3niay9n1]. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible.
[u:3niay9n1]Hint #18[/u:3niay9n1]. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0.
Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George?
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Met Hunter
Mar 27 2009 04:02 PM
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I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.
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TheOldMole
Mar 27 2009 09:15 PM
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Things Tad did twice:
He circled the room twice and then exited
He was made that guy by Dre twice this week.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 28 2009 01:21 PM
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="TheOldMole":32culie7]Things Tad did twice:
He circled the room twice and then exited
He was made that guy by Dre twice this week.[/quote:32culie7]
You're not taking this seriously, are you?
[u:32culie7]Hint #19[/u:32culie7]. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 28 2009 01:28 PM
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="batmagadanleadoff":1dd6hoe3]="TheOldMole":1dd6hoe3]Things Tad did twice:
He circled the room twice and then exited
He was made that guy by Dre twice this week.[/quote:1dd6hoe3]
You're not taking this seriously, are you?
[u:1dd6hoe3]Hint #19[/u:1dd6hoe3]. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met.[/quote:1dd6hoe3]
[u:1dd6hoe3]Hint #20[/u:1dd6hoe3]. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met.
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Edgy DC
Mar 28 2009 01:47 PM
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The answer is, obviously, appearing on the cover of the Mets' yearbook.
Rusty Staub is the odd man out, because he actually appeared on the cover of a Mets yearbook in a visitor's uniform, sliding into Jerry Grote or something.
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SteveJRogers
Mar 28 2009 01:57 PM
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| ="Edgy DC"]The answer is, obviously, appearing on the cover of the Mets' yearbook.
Rusty Staub is the odd man out, because he actually appeared on the cover of a Mets yearbook in a visitor's uniform, sliding into Jerry Grote or something. |
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Hint #2. Note that Tug McGraw and Cleon Jones are not included in the question. This last hint might help you to avoid wrong answers, more than anything else. |
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Edgy DC
Mar 28 2009 02:02 PM
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Yes, thanks for you non-speaking point. Whle I'm certain that my "obvious" answer is wrong, I believe his statment was that they did something at least three times, so one appearance by another would not be a disqualifier.
Nonetheless, Jose Reyes has probably hogged three covers by now.
How about you let the quiz guy knock me down?
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SteveJRogers
Mar 28 2009 02:05 PM
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Hmmm
From Baseball-Almanac's Bud Harrelson's 1965 page
| ]On the road, Bud Harrelson appeared in 10 games, had 20 at-bats, drove in 0 runs, scored 3 times, had 2 hits (1 doubles / 0 triples / 0 home runs), walked 1 times (0 intentional), struck out 5 times, was hit by a pitcher 0 times, sacrificed 0 times (0 hits & 0 flies), stole 5 bases, was caught stealing 4 times, ground into 5 double plays, and finished at home with a .1 batting average, .142 on base percentage and .15 slugging average? |
Caught stealing in a single season?
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 28 2009 02:09 PM
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="Edgy DC":1ycfndin]The answer is, obviously, appearing on the cover of the Mets' yearbook.
Rusty Staub is the odd man out, because he actually appeared on the cover of a Mets yearbook in a visitor's uniform, sliding into Jerry Grote or something.[/quote:1ycfndin]
Staub never appeared on any cover of a Met yearbook as a visitor. And it wouldn't count even if he did, because the answer concerns something done as a Met. You're thinking of the 1971 yearbook cover, featuring a Dodger sliding into the plate (Willie -- Crawford or Davis, I think).
Coincidentally and during his Expo days, Staub was a fixture in that section of Mets season ticket brochures that would feature the visiting star players that were to appear at Shea. I always wondered if Met scouts were inspired by those pamphlets because over the next few seasons, the team went and got almost all of those featured visiting stars, even if it was usually, though not in Staub's case, a day late and a dollar short. (Staub, Mays, Torre)
Too bad they didn't get Willie Stargell.
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Edgy DC
Mar 28 2009 02:12 PM
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So I guess you're saying I'm wrong?
There were two play-at-the-plate covers --- the second one features Stoins failng to tag out a hook-sliding Cub (I think a Cub). But now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure the Dodger opponent was black, and and the Cub opponent was Latino. And, of course, Staub never played for either team.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 28 2009 02:14 PM
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="Edgy DC":1esaa9by]So I guess you're saying I'm wrong?[/quote:1esaa9by]
I don't wanna take away any credit from Rogers.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 28 2009 10:35 PM
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="SteveJRogers"]Hmmm
From Baseball-Almanac's Bud Harrelson's 1965 page
| ]On the road, Bud Harrelson appeared in 10 games, had 20 at-bats, drove in 0 runs, scored 3 times, had 2 hits (1 doubles / 0 triples / 0 home runs), walked 1 times (0 intentional), struck out 5 times, was hit by a pitcher 0 times, sacrificed 0 times (0 hits & 0 flies), stole 5 bases, was caught stealing 4 times, ground into 5 double plays, and finished at home with a .1 batting average, .142 on base percentage and .15 slugging average? |
Caught stealing in a single season? |
I must have missed this post before. In order for your answer to work, the Mets that are the answer to this question (or question to the answer) (Kranepool, Koosman, Grote, Staub, Harrelson, Garrett - and depending on how the answer is phrased, Seaver, plus Cleon by relaxing the standard, plus Berra, Pignatano, Yost and Walker if you wanna include coaches and/or managers) must have done something three times -- in your answer, I assume that you mean being caught stealing four bases over three separate seasons, as the original question states that no Met player did it more than three times.
But I also hinted that both Harrelson and Davey Johnson did it once each as either a manager or coach. Since managers or coaches don't steal bases, and don't get caught stealing bases, and neither Harrelson or Davey were player/coach-managers like Joe Torre once was, this would tend to wreck it for you. Davey could never have been caught stealing four bases for the Mets in any season, let alone three seasons, because Davey never played for the Mets.
I also hinted that Harreslon's "four times" represents the maximum number of times that any Met could have possibly done this. This would also tend to negate your response because the only theoretical limit on the number of times a players might get caught stealing precisely four times in a single season would be the number of season's the player played. Thus, for example, Ed Kranepool could have theoretically been caught stealing four bases in a season, 18 times - once for each of the 18 seasons he played for the Mets.
Also, Tom Seaver was never, ever caught stealing a base throughout his entire career, let alone three bases in one season in three different seasons.
Also, I hinted that Mike Schmidt did this six times in his career. Yet Mike Schmidt was caught stealing four bases in a season, just once -- in his repeat MVP season of 1981.
Now if you weren't referring to seasons, but simply referring to Harrelson' s four caught stealings in 1965 as the answer, then this would have to be the highest number of CS in a season in Met history, and the highest possible number of times that a Met could get caught stealing in a season. And Davey Johnson would have had to have been caught stealing four bases in a season as a Met in order for your response to be reconciled with all of the hints.
You were close, though. Nice try.
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Edgy DC
Mar 29 2009 11:21 AM
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| ]I also hinted that Harreslon's "four times" represents the maximum number of times that any Met could have possibly done this. |
Things one can theoreticall only do four times:
1) You can only appear in a game in four different seasons of the year.
2) You can only be permantently banished from a province of Ireland four times.
3) You can only lose a limb fout times.
5) You can only kill a Beatle four times. And now, not even.
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MFS62
Mar 29 2009 12:31 PM
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About the answer. Is this something that when we hear it, we'll slap ourselves in the forehead and say,"Shit, how could I not know that?" Or is this something really obscure?
Later
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 29 2009 02:12 PM
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="MFS62":2uzr4589]About the answer. Is this something that when we hear it, we'll slap ourselves in the forehead and say,"Shit, how could I not know that?" Or is this something really obscure?[/quote:2uzr4589]
I don't know. But if this is your idea of a Mets trivia question, perhaps some hints are in order.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 29 2009 02:13 PM
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="Met Hunter":yxvwkmgj]I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.[/quote:yxvwkmgj]
On the one hand, your answer is wrong, and not even close. But in some respects, your answer is closer than any of the other answers submitted.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 29 2009 02:16 PM
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="Edgy DC"]| ]I also hinted that Harreslon's "four times" represents the maximum number of times that any Met could have possibly done this. |
Things one can theoreticall only do four times:
1) You can only appear in a game in four different seasons of the year.
2) You can only be permantently banished from a province of Ireland four times.
3) You can only lose a limb fout times.
5) You can only kill a Beatle four times. And now, not even. |
Ironically, you skipped the fourth thing that one can do four times.
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MFS62
Mar 29 2009 02:31 PM
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They finished in sixth place.
Can't be done any more, since there are only four teams in a division.
Later
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Edgy DC
Mar 29 2009 02:39 PM
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4) Um, you can only watch four seasons of Judd Hirsch in <i>Dear John</i>.
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G-Fafif
Mar 29 2009 02:50 PM
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="MFS62":3rc41gmb]They finished in sixth place.
Can't be done any more, since there are only four teams in a division.[/quote:3rc41gmb]
Wayne Garrett never finished in sixth place as a Met. (Perhaps it's because my CF brick is in Section 11 that I keep focusing like a laser on Mr. Garrett's participation in this question.)
None of those guys was ever in my kitchen either. Buddy Harrelson has never been in my kitchen at least four times.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 29 2009 02:52 PM
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="MFS62":3pps8etg]They finished in sixth place.
Can't be done any more, since there are only four teams in a division.
Later[/quote:3pps8etg]
Wayne Garrett (three times) was never a part of a 6th place Mets team. Neither were Berra or Yost. None of the other Mets were on 6th place Mets teams, three times.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 29 2009 02:54 PM
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="MFS62":22v9j71q] Or is this something really obscure?[/quote:22v9j71q]
I don't think so. Really.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2009 11:29 AM
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Hint #21. This wouldn't necessarily be the best hint I've provided, but a clue to the theme of this trivia question does appear in the cover of the 1993 Met yearbook.
So, once again -- What did the following Mets -and no other Mets- do three times (as Mets):
Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub, Cleon Jones and Tom Seaver, depending on how the answer is phrased?
(Plus Berra, Pignatano, Yost and Walker, counting managers/coaches. But then, Harrelson did it four times instead of three.)
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 31 2009 11:33 AM
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Wear 3 different style/makes of Mets unis?
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2009 11:37 AM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":ct5jqyqq]Wear 3 different style/makes of Mets unis?[/quote:ct5jqyqq]
You'd have to define styles, but it's not the answer. Any Met who played through most of the 90's (Franco, Hundley) wore more than four different uni styles.
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Fman99
Mar 31 2009 11:45 AM
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In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages.
It's like watching a horse with a broken leg limp down the home stretch. Just send this thread to the glue factory please.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2009 11:52 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 12:03 PM
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="Fman99":14t2ivit]In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages.[/quote:14t2ivit]
If you thought I was a sadist before I wrote this post, you're gonna think even worse when I tell you that I figured this question would drag on all Summer.
Actually, I think the answer, surrounded by all the clues, is obvious. You'll see when I post the answer, but I'm surprised no one's gotten it yet. (Though, I didn't expect anybody to get it without any clues).
Are trivia stumpers really sadists? I think that's harsh. Ouch!
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 31 2009 11:55 AM
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I will say all the clues out there just made it more convoluted for me. I woulda made more gusses without all of them gumming up my brain.
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Benjamin Grimm
Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM
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I think it may be time to flip the cards.
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OlerudOwned
Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM
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Play during an anniversary season? Fuck if I know?
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Edgy DC
Mar 31 2009 12:20 PM
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Cash checks from three different ownership groups?
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2009 12:31 PM
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[u:2z8yrec9]Hint # Last[/u:2z8yrec9]. Sigh.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2009 12:35 PM
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="Edgy DC":2jou5jz3]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2jou5jz3]
That's interesting. The Payson Group. The De Roulets. Doubleday. Then Wilpon. Would you have a fifth group for the period when Doubleday and Wilpon were equal 50% owners?
It wouldn't work, though. Stearns, for example, was a Met under all four groups; Cleon - just Payson.
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Edgy DC
Mar 31 2009 12:43 PM
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I tried. Yeah, I count five different ownership entities under four different controlling partners --- Payson - DeRoulet/Payson - Doubleday, Inc. - Doubleday/Wilpon - Wilpon.
It was as guess, and I thought maybe possibly right depending on how toruturously you defined things.
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Zvon
Mar 31 2009 02:27 PM
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Sorry I didn't see this earlier.
Don't give away the answer!
I'm keen to guess!
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metsmarathon
Mar 31 2009 03:24 PM
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played under the reign of different official METS logos...?
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SteveJRogers
Mar 31 2009 03:40 PM
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST GIVE THE DAMN ANSWER!
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2009 04:29 PM
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Okay ... this is the last batch of hints and comments I'll make. Sometime tomorrow, I'll post the answer.
="Edgy DC":2h2aw5er]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2h2aw5er]
I liked this guess, even though it was incorrect. The answer to this question is much more obvious and accessible.
="Met Hunter":2h2aw5er]I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.[/quote:2h2aw5er]
I also liked Met Hunter's guess, even though the answer has nothing to do with being on an LCS team or on a winner and even though MH's answer wasn't even an answer, but a request for another hint. But I think that Met Hunter's approach to answering the question might have been the best one, even if I'm guessing here, myself. I guess that I don't really know what MH's reasons or methods were for answering the question the way he did. But I liked his comment.
If you phrase the answer so as to include Tom Seaver as one of the Mets that did this three times, then by that same phrasing, Jim Palmer did this six times with the Orioles, and the trio of Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux each did it six times as a Brave.
I'm still trying to figure out whether there's any consolation in being called a sadist respectfully, as opposed to the regular way.
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Met Hunter
Mar 31 2009 04:42 PM
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There are a few reasons why I'm thinking this way. First of all, you mention the 69 coaches, so an on field feat is out. Then you mentioned that a Met could only do this four times. Like the 4 Met pennants. Buddy being the coach on one of them. But since no Met could do all four that was out. Maybe a playoff appearance? There were no LCSs in Babe Ruth's day. Belanger was in 6 LCSs with Balto. But then Ojeda never did it. So that's out. Dwight Bernard was a short timer, but he played when Milwaukee was a playoff team. Hmmm. Every guess, every lead, has a hole. I was hoping it isn't something dopey like being on the cover of a yearbook.
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G-Fafif
Mar 31 2009 04:51 PM
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Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2009 04:57 PM
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="G-Fafif":3bt9357t]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3bt9357t]
No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers.
Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2009 04:59 PM
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="G-Fafif":l26i4i4l]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:l26i4i4l]
Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.
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G-Fafif
Mar 31 2009 05:01 PM
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="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve]="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve]
No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers.
Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve]
Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM
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="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht]="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht]
No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers.
Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht]
Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel)
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM
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="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke]="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke]
No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers.
Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke]
Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke]
I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it.
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SteveJRogers
Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM
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I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image.
Does it have something to do with Met award winners?
Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts...
AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps?
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batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM
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| ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image.
Does it have something to do with Met award winners? |
Hey! This isn't What's My Line?
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G-Fafif
Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM
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SteveJRogers
Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM
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Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium?
That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason?
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MFS62
Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM
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How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim?
Later
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Edgy DC
Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM
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These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer.
Dead Mets Hall of Famers:
Tommie Agee
Gil Hodges
Tug McGraw
Bob Murphy
Johnny Murphy
Lindsey Nelson
Joan Whitney Payson
Bill Shea
Casey Stengel
George Weiss
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OlerudOwned
Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM
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="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7]="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7]
Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7]
Touched their own toes.
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TheOldMole
Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM
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Can we give up?
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Benjamin Grimm
Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM
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We're trying.
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MFS62
Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM
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Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today?
April Fools Day?
What if there is no answer?
Pitchfiorks and torches.
Who's with me?
Later
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seawolf17
Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM
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I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew.
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batmagadanleadoff
Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM
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Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist.
The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source.
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metirish
Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM
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Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage.
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MFS62
Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM
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Come on already.
I'm putting curare on my pitchfork.
Later
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batmagadanleadoff
Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM
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What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common:
Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub?
Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times.
Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player.
The answer is ………….
They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award.
(Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.)
Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver’s Cy’s, and was a coach for the Mets in ’85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award.
Seaver, of course, can’t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word “teammate” in order to include him: something like “these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year’s Cy Young award.
| ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. |
This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7.
Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question.
All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (’69, ’73 and ’75). Staub missed Seaver’s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80’s and was Gooden’s teammate for Doc’s Cy campaign in ’85, Staub’s last season as a major leaguer.
Hint # Last. Sigh.
Sigh Young.
Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer.
Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months.
Cleon was a Met in ’69, ’73 and ’75, so he’s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn’t on the Mets for the entire ’75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons.
Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver’s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the ’74 season.
Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times.
All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver’s three Cy Young awards.
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Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee.
Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible.
Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0.
Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? |
Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it.
The award didn’t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league.
Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met.
Bernard’s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (’79 and ’80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (’81) and Pete Vuckovich (’82).
Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met.
Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award:
Don Drysdale (’62)
Sandy Koufax (’63, ’65, ’66)
Vida Blue (’71)
Jim Palmer (73, ’75)
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MFS62
Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM
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Well played.
Good question.
Helpful clues.
I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while.
Later
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Zvon
Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM
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| ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh.
Sigh Young.
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batmagadanleadoff
Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM
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="Zvon"]| ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh.
Sigh Young.
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Welcome back, man!
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G-Fafif
Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM
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The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on.
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Edgy DC
Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM
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Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break.
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batmagadanleadoff
Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM
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If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this.
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Edgy DC
May 07 2009 02:37 PM
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Tom Seaver
Nolan Ryan
Dennis Eckersley
Rich Gossage
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Swan Swan H
May 07 2009 03:14 PM
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WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game.
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Edgy DC
May 07 2009 05:25 PM
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I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game.
You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not.
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batmagadanleadoff
May 07 2009 05:28 PM
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Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?
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