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Edgy DC Apr 08 2009 08:00 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 08 2009 09:43 AM

Run-DMC, who foreshadowed their election to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1985 when they shot their "King of Rock" video, around a plot of them bumrushing a rock museum actually refuses to perform at their election ceremony, keeping a promise to never again perform as Run-DMC since the murder of DJ Jam Master Jay. "They tell me I could get Grandmaster Flash [to fill in]," DMC said. "But I can get any DJ in the world if I want. It wouldn't be right. I can't replace my drummer." That's big.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 08 2009 08:10 AM

Lotta guts, when he cuts Girls move their butts His name is Jay, hear him play He must be nuts And the mix real quick and I'd like to say He's not Flash, but he's fast, and his name is Jay

Edgy DC Apr 08 2009 08:41 AM

'Cuz Calvin Klein's no friend of mine Don't want nobody's name on my behind Lee's on my legs, sneakers on my feet Dee by my side and Jay with the beat

Fman99 Apr 08 2009 08:57 AM

Down With the King, tremendous late-stage Run DMC record. On my list of albums that no one has but everyone needs. Cop, you can't stop or drop, you shop wrecker The mic checker, I take my pilgramage to Mecca Jay with the records still a dose of double-decker Me and Run'll come and have some fun, and we'll wreck a shop on down, to the last stop, ha We're givin rhythm to the Wisdoms on the block, ha And ain't no business be a witness to the shot, ha

A Boy Named Seo Apr 08 2009 09:03 AM

It's not about the sneakers, so turn up ya speakers!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 08 2009 02:09 PM

"Peter Piper" as 7th inning Citi-singalong would be the baddest... or a "Mary Mary Why You Buggin" following "Lazy Mary"...

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 08 2009 02:18 PM

Really would. On a semi-related note, I can certainly see the argument for Run-DMC's enshrinement: They were hugely influential in important ways and all. But let's just say they came along after the rap-and-rock connection had been made (sort of like how Madonna came along after Cindi Lauper built the rock-and-wrestling bridge). Would Run-DMC's catalog be worthy? I'm looking at a few very strong efforts at the beginning but almost no sustained success after them. I thought Tougher than Leather was only OK, even allowing for the post Raising Hell letdown I knew we'd get. And "Back from Hell" (yes, I owned a copy) sounded like they knew they'd been licked by the Gangstas and were just copying them. The Beasties, to use one contemporary, followed their 1986 Rick Rubin-produced smash with better and better stuff, for example. RDMC didn't, I don't think. FMan puts in a good word above for Down with the King, which I think was a Chrsitian record. What do you think?

seawolf17 Apr 08 2009 02:26 PM

Probably not, but you simply can't take Run-DMC out of their context. Do music genres change too quickly now? Or, should I say, have they done so in the past twenty years? Look at a band like Poison, or Def Leppard. Both had what you could consider HoF tracks, but what of the last twelve or fifteen years? Or Korn with rap-rock? Or a band like Soundgarden for the grunge scene? (There must be a better example, but I can't think of one. Nirvana obviously ended with Cobain, and Pearl Jam has still been productive.)

metirish Apr 08 2009 02:31 PM

A case could be made for Leppard who were in a way genre setters to the bands that came to prominence in the 80's. Early Leppard stuff was very influentional .

Fman99 Apr 08 2009 02:38 PM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2h5cwksy]Really would. On a semi-related note, I can certainly see the argument for Run-DMC's enshrinement: They were hugely influential in important ways and all. But let's just say they came along after the rap-and-rock connection had been made (sort of like how Madonna came along after Cindi Lauper built the rock-and-wrestling bridge). Would Run-DMC's catalog be worthy? I'm looking at a few very strong efforts at the beginning but almost no sustained success after them. I thought Tougher than Leather was only OK, even allowing for the post Raising Hell letdown I knew we'd get. And "Back from Hell" (yes, I owned a copy) sounded like they knew they'd been licked by the Gangstas and were just copying them. The Beasties, to use one contemporary, followed their 1986 Rick Rubin-produced smash with better and better stuff, for example. RDMC didn't, I don't think. FMan puts in a good word above for Down with the King, which I think was a Chrsitian record. What do you think?[/quote:2h5cwksy] That's part of the appeal of 'Down With the King.' It makes some Christian references, including the title, but it is really just a bad ass hip hop album. Now I will admit that I don't have a problem with Back from Hell, but I am partial to the West coast G-Funk sound anyway. They are pioneers. They rewrote the genre, tossed out the glammed up and disco-ish shit that preceded them, and stepped up with a style that no one had seen before, but everyone copied immediately following. I agree with Seawolf, you can't separate the artist from the era. No one exists in a vacuum. It's about the music, sure, but that's just a part of it if you ask me. Edgy DC Apr 08 2009 02:46 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 08 2009 08:11 PM They re-asserted rock as a valid form when few in the established rock family cared to and none of their earlier rap contemporaries could give a shit. Yeah, they couldn't maintain their run. Few rappers could. We can't all be Salt 'n' Pepa. But sustained success is only part of the story. Advancing the form is another. It'd take one hand to count the number of rap figures who did that, and I'd still be able to pick my nose. G-Fafif Apr 08 2009 04:32 PM I can't believe "Raising Hell" was never played at Shea. Kings from Queens From Queens come Kings We're raisin' hell Like a class when the lunchbell rings Number 6 Apr 09 2009 10:48 PM ="Edgy DC":1m1ua29e]It'd take one hand to count the number of rap figures who did that, and I'd still be able to pick my nose.[/quote:1m1ua29e] Depends on which finger was left. Kinda hard to be precise with the pinky.