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IGT Business Person's Special 4-29-09

SteveJRogers Apr 29 2009 09:33 AM

Time to SQUISH THE FISH!

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 09:35 AM

It's a Johan day. Let's give him eight or nine runs!

bmfc1 Apr 29 2009 09:37 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 29 2009 10:08 AM

Mets: Jose Reyes SS Alex Cora 2B Daniel Murphy LF Carlos Beltran CF David Wright 3B Ryan Church RF Fernando Tatis 1B Ramon Castro C Johan Santana (3-1, 0.70) Marlins: Emilio Bonifacio 2B Cameron Maybin CF Wes Helms 3B Jorge Cantu 1B Jeremy Hermida LF Ronny Paulino C Cody Ross RF Alfredo Amezaga SS Josh Johnson RHP (2-0, 2.20)

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2009 09:37 AM Re: IGT Business Person's Special 4-29-09

SteveJRogers wrote: Time to SQUISH THE FISH! You always say that every time we play Fla. "Let's squish the fish".

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 09:40 AM

Got my Gameday Audio, my headphones, bag lunch. Let's do this.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 09:47 AM

Ugh, put Murphy at first!

holychicken Apr 29 2009 09:48 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Ugh, put Murphy at first! Is it possible that he is actually worse at first?

duan Apr 29 2009 09:51 AM

nah, he's a 3rd baseman by trade. I think they won't put him at first because "we don't want him to have too many things to think about" etc etc etc.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 10:04 AM

holychicken wrote: ="Edgy DC"]Ugh, put Murphy at first! Is it possible that he is actually worse at first? I doubt that's their thinking. More likely they think the long term effect of too much hay being made over assigning to first for a day outweighs the short-term effect of having a better defense out there. I'm telling you here that playing Murphy around will relieve his worried mind, rather than further burden it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 29 2009 10:09 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It's a Johan day. Let's give him eight or nine runs! The only way this happens is if Johan goes Baseball Bugs on us. I'm with Edge on the Murph-as-nomad theorizin'.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 11:11 AM

I need to buy some noise cancelling headphones. Earbuds are good for the gym but they're not something I want to wear for three hours.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 11:15 AM

Stupid Jorge Cuntu.

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 11:16 AM

Hmmm...were going to need more than a couple runs today.

MFS62 Apr 29 2009 11:20 AM

I'm beginning to not like Jorge Cantu. Later

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 11:20 AM

Good start for the Mets! Another three bagger at Triples Field, this one for Reyes.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 11:21 AM

TribouroughStadium strikes again.

Nymr83 Apr 29 2009 11:21 AM

Welcome to TripleLand, home of the New York Mets.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 11:22 AM

Ooh, bunting in the first.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 11:22 AM

Safety squeeze, 2-1 Mets. They're bunt happy! Murph on with a bunt single. P.S. Wayne Hagin still blows.

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 11:23 AM

Bunt single: the speciality of any #3 hitter.

Nymr83 Apr 29 2009 11:24 AM

I hate bunting for 1 run but i guess with Cora's .245/.313/.348 line he is the guy to do it with, he shuoldnt be batting 2nd. Murph with a bunt single!

smg58 Apr 29 2009 11:24 AM

Edgy DC wrote: I'm telling you here that playing Murphy around will relieve his worried mind, rather than further burden it. If he'd played some first in spring training I'd agree, but throwing him there cold might not do him or the team defense any favors.

soupcan Apr 29 2009 11:25 AM

Say what you want about Cantu - he's good. It seems that whenever I watch the Marlins he comes up big. 2-1 Fish by the way Fman.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 11:27 AM

="soupcan"]Say what you want about Cantu - he's good. It seems that whenever I watch the Marlins he comes up big. 2-1 Fish by the way Fman. Whoopsie. Thanks Soup.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 11:28 AM

Wright watches one belt high on the outside part of the plate for strike three. That's like his pitch.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 11:29 AM

Nymr83 wrote: I hate bunting for 1 run but i guess with Cora's .245/.313/.348 line he is the guy to do it with, he shuoldnt be batting 2nd. Murph with a bunt single! Jesus, Cora's got less than 20 abs, could we stop projecting batting orders on that basis

MFS62 Apr 29 2009 11:29 AM

TransMonk wrote: Bunt single: the speciality of any #3 hitter. Mantle did it many times. And I remember Gene Mauch having the first four (or was it five?) batters bunt against a dominating pitcher who gave his team problems. It may have been against Jim Bunning when he was with the Pitates. IIRC they all got on base. A nice way to rattle a young pitcher. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 11:29 AM

Last Play: D. Wright struck out looking I'm sick of this too.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 11:30 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: ="Nymr83"]I hate bunting for 1 run but i guess with Cora's .245/.313/.348 line he is the guy to do it with, he shuoldnt be batting 2nd. Murph with a bunt single! Jesus, Cora's got less than 20 abs, could we stop projecting batting orders on that basis He's also yesterday's outstanding Met.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2009 11:33 AM

MFS62 wrote: ="TransMonk"]Bunt single: the speciality of any #3 hitter. Mantle did it many times. And I remember Gene Mauch having the first four (or was it five?) batters bunt against a dominating pitcher who gave his team problems. It may have been against Jim Bunning when he was with the Pitates. IIRC they all got on base. A nice way to rattle a young pitcher. Later Can't complain about a base hit. Murphy's not a 30 HR guy anyway and in this stadium, might not finish the season with 10. Bunting for a hit is nothing like bunting for an out.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2009 11:35 AM

And bunting for a run is nothing like bunting for an out to gain possession of second base.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 11:41 AM

Castro up... speculation about what happens when Schneid is ready to play. Castro is making 2.5 mil this year so does that make it less likely that he is cut outright?

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 11:43 AM

Castro singles, first and second, one out for Johan.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 11:44 AM

OK Jose, plate these fuckers.

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 11:46 AM

RIP RISP

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 11:46 AM

Fman99 wrote: Castro is making 2.5 mil this year so does that make it less likely that he is cut outright? I doubt he'd be cut. I'm sure a trade could be made for him. Even if the Mets have to kick in $1.5 million, it's still better than eating the full $2.5.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 29 2009 11:49 AM

I wouldn't have minded a squeeze there.

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 11:49 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ="Fman99"]Castro is making 2.5 mil this year so does that make it less likely that he is cut outright? I doubt he'd be cut. I'm sure a trade could be made for him. Even if the Mets have to kick in $1.5 million, it's still better than eating the full $2.5. I'm not quite ready to ordain Santos a big-league catcher based off a handful of games. I think its back to Schneid/Castro, with both of them thinking that their potential replacement is down in Buffalo.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 29 2009 12:00 PM

It occurs to me while staring at Alex Cora this morning after seeing him a LOT on last night's Jumbotron... the guy looks a little like Harry Potter's Dobby the elf, don't he?

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 12:01 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ="Fman99"]Castro is making 2.5 mil this year so does that make it less likely that he is cut outright? I doubt he'd be cut. I'm sure a trade could be made for him. Even if the Mets have to kick in $1.5 million, it's still better than eating the full $2.5. Why are we so hot for unconditional releases around here?

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 12:02 PM

Wright up, 1st and 3rd, one out. Clutch time, DWright, come on.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 12:02 PM

OK David, plate this fucker.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 12:04 PM

FUCK.

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 12:04 PM

RIP RISP

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2009 12:04 PM

He shoulda struck out instead.

soupcan Apr 29 2009 12:04 PM

Oof. DWright is killing us.

bmfc1 Apr 29 2009 12:04 PM

Damn. What the hell is wrong with Wright? Johnson's good but is a friggin' flyball too much to ask for?

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 12:04 PM

Good news: no K for David. Bad news: inning ending DP for David.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 12:06 PM

It was only a matter of time before all those statements of respect for Derek Jeter added up, David.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 29 2009 12:07 PM

HahnSolo wrote: Good news: no K for David. Bad news: inning ending DP for David. Ooh, ooh, ooh... Mister Kaaaaatter? Can I guess what CitiField sounds like right now? If I'm Johan, and I come up with men on, I'm refusing to bunt. 'Cause Lord knows, nobody else seems to know what to do about the duck-on-pond-collection business right about now.

MFS62 Apr 29 2009 12:08 PM

"Face of the franchise"? That may have been a tad premature. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 29 2009 12:11 PM

All those in favor of just hitting Cantu every time up for the rest of the season, raise your hand. (Cantu = Burrell, This Year's Model?)

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 12:14 PM

Considering how he had been struggling, I advocated a day off for Wright during this series. I guess the injuries to Delgado and Castillo meant Jerry didn't want to take another regular out, but man, he is lost, offensively and defensively.

MFS62 Apr 29 2009 12:18 PM

HahnSolo wrote: Considering how he had been struggling, I advocated a day off for Wright during this series. I guess the injuries to Delgado and Castillo meant Jerry didn't want to take another regular out, but man, he is lost, offensively and defensively. Well, Murphy did come up as a third baseman. Maybe playing him at third, Tatis at first and Sheffield in left might be a lineup to be tried. (and you hope your pitcher can strike out a lot of batters) Later

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 12:23 PM

Hey! A manufactured run!

bmfc1 Apr 29 2009 12:25 PM

Buffalo lost again today, 1-0. At least Evans surpassed the .100 level. Two hits for WMPena. And Figueroa pitched very well. http://buffalo.bisons.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&gid=2009_04_29_bufaaa_rocaaa_1&did=t422&sid=t422

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 12:25 PM

From the bottom of the order, no less.

Centerfield Apr 29 2009 12:25 PM

Come on Cora!

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 12:27 PM

Mets hitters at home in 2009: 9 3Bs 6 HRs

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 12:28 PM

Centerfield wrote: Come on Cora! He's not worthy of my Jew goo. Oh, wait. You meant something else. Sorry, play on.

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 12:28 PM

That's 4 runners left in scoring position with 2 out through 4 innings.

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 12:33 PM

Wright's April of 2007 was arguably as bad (if not worse) than his April of 2009 has been and he went on to finish 4th in MVP voting in 2007.

MFS62 Apr 29 2009 12:36 PM

That sound you just heard was a collective exhale. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 29 2009 12:37 PM

At the office today, and was traveling during the first Johnson-Santana duel... I know he's tall, but is the Marlin THAT slow to the plate?

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 12:56 PM

KABOOM

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 12:57 PM

TATIS 3-3! Johan likely done with 101 pitches. Still in line for the win right now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 12:59 PM

yay

OlerudOwned Apr 29 2009 12:59 PM

Hot damn Fernando!

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 12:59 PM

KABOOM now under review apparently.

metirish Apr 29 2009 12:59 PM

Just tuned into Howie to hear Hagin call a home run , they are saying the the umps went the video replay.

soupcan Apr 29 2009 12:59 PM

Anybody see it? Is it a homah?

MFS62 Apr 29 2009 01:00 PM

Fan interference? Rats! Later

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 01:00 PM

Whah?

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:01 PM

The KABOOM stands. Mets up 3-2.

metirish Apr 29 2009 01:01 PM

Is this the same area where SNY showed Sandy Alomar go over the ground rules with the umps last night during the game?

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:04 PM

Alll three RBI today going to day game subtitutes --- Cora, Tatis, Castro. The Day Game Subtitutes are also opeing in for Fallout Boy on their swing through the Northwest next month.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:04 PM

TransMonk wrote: TATIS 3-3! Johan likely done with 101 pitches. Still in line for the win right now. Johan hit for himself. I like it. He can go another inning against these humps.

MFS62 Apr 29 2009 01:05 PM

Johan has thrown a lot of pitches. Who comes out for the seventh? I'd like to see how Parnell can do as the seventh inning guy. EDIT: I posted that before I saw 99's post. Later

metirish Apr 29 2009 01:07 PM

How many pitches has he thrown ?

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:10 PM

1-2-3 seventh, Johan still at just 108 pitches. Hopefully they let him pitch the 8th also.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:14 PM

MFS62 wrote: Johan has thrown a lot of pitches. Who comes out for the seventh? I'd like to see how Parnell can do as the seventh inning guy. EDIT: I posted that before I saw 99's post. Later Yeah, I'm sounding like a crank, but 101 pitches through six and 109 through seven are not a lot.

metirish Apr 29 2009 01:19 PM

Jerry will check the book and see that it says Putz for the 8th and Rodriguez for the 9th. Send out Santana and if he gets in trouble then pull him.

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 01:19 PM

Did our #3 hitter just lay down a sacrifice?

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 01:21 PM

metirish wrote: Send out Santana and if he gets in trouble then pull him. What's trouble? A game-tying homer?

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:22 PM

HahnSolo wrote: Did our #3 hitter just lay down a sacrifice? Yes. Now do you pinch hit Shef for Churchie?

metirish Apr 29 2009 01:22 PM

TransMonk wrote: ="metirish"]Send out Santana and if he gets in trouble then pull him. What's trouble? A game-tying homer? That would be trouble alright .

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 01:22 PM

I'd let him pitch until the go-ahead run comes to the plate. Or, if the Mets score in the 7th, until the tying run comes to the plate.

metirish Apr 29 2009 01:23 PM

let's get some runs here...

Nymr83 Apr 29 2009 01:24 PM

Out in Milwaukee, Yovani Gallardo is following the age old formula for getting a W - shut them out and hit one out.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:24 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'd let him pitch until the go-ahead run comes to the plate. Or, if the Mets score in the 7th, until the tying run comes to the plate. Experience says he stays in until there is a runner of any kind on any base. Nice of Wright to go to 2nd. Let's see a two out, 2 RBI hit here, cushion this damn thing.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:25 PM

Oh, RISP, how I hat you.

metirish Apr 29 2009 01:27 PM

By the sounds of Hagin Cantu just made a nifty play.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:27 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'd let him pitch until the go-ahead run comes to the plate. Or, if the Mets score in the 7th, until the tying run comes to the plate. Makes all the sensimilla in the world.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:27 PM

Ah, nutz.

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 01:27 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ="HahnSolo"]Did our #3 hitter just lay down a sacrifice? Yes. Now do you pinch hit Shef for Churchie? Did he bunt on his own, or was it a straight sacrifice? Scratching head here. I'm not in the militant anti-bunt camp here, but doing that sets up the inning for the IBB to Wright and the lefty-lefty to Church (knowing that Jerry will probably not send up Shef and remove his best corner OF). If you put him in the 3 hole, treat him like a 3-hole hitter Jerry.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 01:28 PM

Yup

Centerfield Apr 29 2009 01:30 PM

I'm ok with Putz here. As much as I'd like to keep our bullpen fresh, having Santana fresh in September is pretty important too.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:30 PM

Double switch, Putz starts the inning with a walk to Cunt-ew.

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 01:31 PM

I'm OK with Putz here too. Not so cool with the leadoff walk, though.

Centerfield Apr 29 2009 01:31 PM

Unless he starts off with a leadoff walk.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:33 PM

Centerfield wrote: I'm ok with Putz here. As much as I'd like to keep our bullpen fresh, having Santana fresh in September is pretty important too. We have a very tight game to win here and now.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:36 PM

Boo. Two walks, no outs.

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 01:36 PM

Back to back walks not so dynomite, JJ.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:36 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 29 2009 01:37 PM

But Santana can look forward to a fresher September?

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:37 PM

Let's turn three.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 01:37 PM

indiuce the triple play

metirish Apr 29 2009 01:37 PM

Games now are just as important as in September , that's from Santana himself.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:38 PM

Fman99 wrote: Let's turn three. Fman99 wrote: indiuce the triple play Buh-boom.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:38 PM

See, when a guy hits with runners on 2nd, or 3rd, then that team scores runs. I get it. The CPF'ers get it.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 01:38 PM

Putz walks the first two (NICE!) and then Paulino bunts both runners into scoring position. What next? An intentional walk to set up the bases-loaded walk?

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 01:39 PM

I don't know if it's the Pelphrey incident from last year or that damn goofy-boy picture of him on ESPN gametracker, but Cody Ross has a face I'd like to punch.

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 01:39 PM

HahnSolo wrote: I don't know if it's the Pelphrey incident from last year or that damn goofy-boy picture of him on ESPN gametracker, but Cody Ross has a face I'd like to punch. So does JJ Putz.

metirish Apr 29 2009 01:40 PM

Marlins 4 Mets 3 ahhhhhhhhhhh

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:40 PM

Fuckin' A, people. How can we support this strategy? At all!?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 01:40 PM

FUCK YOU PUTZ YOU SUCK

themetfairy Apr 29 2009 01:41 PM

This team just doesn't look very good right now.

metsguyinmichigan Apr 29 2009 01:42 PM

Horrible. Johan -- who must be used to this by now -- deserves better.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:42 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 29 2009 01:43 PM

themetfairy wrote: This team just doesn't look very good right now. Santana looked fine until we lifted him.

metirish Apr 29 2009 01:42 PM

Fucking book

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:43 PM

Two innings, one run down. Very doable. Let's Go Mets!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 01:44 PM

This team needs to see Dr. Brinkley for some goat-gland surgery.

Nymr83 Apr 29 2009 01:44 PM

FUCK FUCK FUCK, WHAT THE HELL IS SUDDENLY WRONG WITH RELIEVERS WHEN THEY COME TO THE METS???

Centerfield Apr 29 2009 01:45 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Fuckin' A, people. How can we support this strategy? At all!? The Santana comment was meant to address your "keep the bullpen fresh for September" aspect you brought up yesterday. I will support putting in Putz in the 8th inning of a one-run game when Santana has tossed 109 pitches. Even after today. It sucks that we're losing, but it's not because of bad strategy.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:46 PM

It's not the relievers, it's the strategy. I'M BEGGING YOU ALL TO SEE!

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:46 PM

Oh no, it's the "one pitch, one out" strategy. Don't lie down, you overpaid fuckers! Hit! This gives me pain in my goat-scrote.

metirish Apr 29 2009 01:47 PM

Edgy DC wrote: It's not the relievers, it's the strategy. I'M BEGGING YOU ALL TO SEE! I'm with you , why not let Santana go out there , what's another 15 or 20 pitches to him?

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:48 PM

Reed with the two out triple. Another triple! OK, say it with me. HIT. THE. BALL. NOW.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:48 PM

Centerfield wrote: ="Edgy DC"]Fuckin' A, people. How can we support this strategy? At all!? The Santana comment was meant to address your "keep the bullpen fresh for September" aspect you brought up yesterday. I will support putting in Putz in the 8th inning of a one-run game when Santana has tossed 109 pitches. Even after today. It sucks that we're losing, but it's not because of bad strategy. And I'll dispute it even before today. It is because of bad strategy. We pulled the better pitcher for the lesser pitcher and we pulled the pitcher who had established he was on his game for the one who hadn't. 109 pitches? Big fucking whoop. What does that number even mean?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 01:50 PM

Reyes walks. Up to Cora.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 01:51 PM

Two-out triples produce mixed feelings in me.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:51 PM

Is there any Delgadavailability?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 01:51 PM

Edgy DC wrote: It's not the relievers, it's the strategy. I'M BEGGING YOU ALL TO SEE! Well, it's both. But I'm in your camp on this one. Solidly.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:52 PM

OK, then, it's not something cursed that happens to relievers when they come to the Mets.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:53 PM

Sheff on deck as the likely PH (double switch took Murphy out of the #3 slot earlier).

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:54 PM

Is this guy a sidearmer?

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 01:54 PM

Edgy DC wrote: And I'll dispute it even before today. It is because of bad strategy. We pulled the better pitcher for the lesser pitcher and we pulled the pitcher who had established he was on his game for the one who hadn't. 109 pitches? Big fucking whoop. What does that number even mean? This reads to me like Santana should go nine innings every start if he's winning.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 01:55 PM

fuck

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:55 PM

MOTHERFUCKER.

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 01:56 PM

TransMonk wrote: ="Edgy DC"] And I'll dispute it even before today. It is because of bad strategy. We pulled the better pitcher for the lesser pitcher and we pulled the pitcher who had established he was on his game for the one who hadn't. 109 pitches? Big fucking whoop. What does that number even mean? This reads to me like Santana should go nine innings every start if he's winning. Surely you realize that's an over-broad interpretation.

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 01:57 PM

7 runners left in scoring position with 2 out through 8. Cheese and rice.

bmfc1 Apr 29 2009 01:57 PM

Classic over-managing. If he didn't run Reyes, Cora's ball goes into CF, but the manager felt that he had to do something so he ran Reyes and it cost the Mets the tying run. Sometimes, a manager should just stand there.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:58 PM

Someone watching -- if Reyes isn't running, and Bonifacio isn't moving over to cover, does Cora's ball make it through to center?

metirish Apr 29 2009 01:58 PM

Matt Lindstrom is our last hope.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 01:58 PM

bmfc1 wrote: Classic over-managing. If he didn't run Reyes, Cora's ball goes into CF, but the manager felt that he had to do something so he ran Reyes and it cost the Mets the tying run. Sometimes, a manager should just stand there. OK that answers that. Thanks bmfc.

Centerfield Apr 29 2009 02:01 PM

But that's exactly what you wrote. You seem to disregard any possibility that: 1. Starting pitchers can tire. Even suddenly, and that a manager has to make a call on pulling that starter before they give up the lead in a tight game. 2. Overtaxing your starters can (as you point out with relievers) have negative effects later in the year. No general rule can apply to pulling a starter and going to the pen. It's a balancing act, and in most cases, there is no clear cut answer that is the better way.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2009 02:01 PM

So if Cora's hit goes to a different angle then it's good managing? That's bad luck, IMO, not bad managing.

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 02:03 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ="TransMonk"] Edgy DC wrote: And I'll dispute it even before today. It is because of bad strategy. We pulled the better pitcher for the lesser pitcher and we pulled the pitcher who had established he was on his game for the one who hadn't. 109 pitches? Big fucking whoop. What does that number even mean? This reads to me like Santana should go nine innings every start if he's winning. Surely you realize that's an over-broad interpretation. Would it be over-broad to amend my statement to: This reads to me like Santana should go nine innings every start if he's winning by one run.

metirish Apr 29 2009 02:03 PM

Howie on the radio saying that it's by design that Santana is done after 100+ pitches , and Manuel told Howie that early in the season no circumstance would cause him to deviate from that...

bmfc1 Apr 29 2009 02:04 PM

FK: that's one way to look at it, but I, in my pissed-off mind, see it as over-managing.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 02:05 PM

Pinch hitter, Beltran, Wright due up in the 9th. I say let Delgado take a whack as the PH if he can handle it. Just takes one swing to tie this up.

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 02:05 PM

OK, we need some heroics. DWright, I'm looking at you.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 02:06 PM

Sheff is up.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:06 PM

Whatever it is it is..but this team sucks ass...Fire Manuel befores the team gets away from him. It was Manuels's own words last night that the team was nervous.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2009 02:06 PM

Between non-hitting w/RiSP and relievers walking two to start an inning I've got enough to be pissed off at without inventing things. But now, someone from the 'O' is going to have to be the hero today.

Nymr83 Apr 29 2009 02:08 PM

TransMonk wrote: Would it be over-broad to amend my statement to: This reads to me like Santana should go nine innings every start if he's winning by one run. i can't speak for edgy, but thats a statement i'd code-in if we were creatign a computer to manage the mets.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:08 PM

What "O"

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 02:08 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 29 2009 02:11 PM

="TransMonk"]Would it be over-broad to amend my statement to: This reads to me like Santana should go nine innings every start if he's winning by one run. Only a little. If he's not exbhiting signs of fatigue and failure, sure. And Rodriguez being a better bet than most would give the manager more latitude. But the difference between every start and every start that he's winning by one run is a very broad one. Him just going eight, besides giving us a better pitcher in the ninth, reduces the bullpen vulnerablity tremendously in the ninth, because then you have both Putz and Rodriguez available, and one can bail the other out in a crisis.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:08 PM

yes**

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 02:09 PM

Leadoff walk for Sheff. I like it. No bunting, please, fellas.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2009 02:09 PM

Sheff walks .... run Castillo?

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:09 PM

Sack it up Men

bmfc1 Apr 29 2009 02:10 PM

Castillo's back must be bad if he's not running here.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 02:11 PM

Come on, Beltran! Vanis Takee!

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 02:11 PM

Looks like no. Not Maine even.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 02:12 PM

2 walks, and here comes DW.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 02:12 PM

Good eye! Two walks, two baserunners, no outs. C'mon, David. Get yer mojo on.

Nymr83 Apr 29 2009 02:13 PM

Shouldn't Maine or Perez pinch-run here? (assuming Castillo cant of course)

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2009 02:13 PM

Lindstrom pulls a Putz

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 02:13 PM

Here, here, I wouldn't blanche at a bunt.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:13 PM

mr. Wright's chance to shut me up

bmfc1 Apr 29 2009 02:13 PM

Back-to-back walks to lead off the inning... just like what the Mets gave the Marlins in the 8th. Let's get two runs just like they did!

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 02:13 PM

Lindstrom pitches like Putz. NO WAY we can leave the field this inning with out being at least tied.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 02:13 PM

A triple here would be PERFECT.

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 02:14 PM

Nymr83 wrote: Shouldn't Maine or Perez pinch-run here? (assuming Castillo cant of course) Not a fan of my starting pitchers being involved in potential plays at the plate.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 02:14 PM

I think David could benefit from a heroic walk-off hit here.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2009 02:14 PM

Nymr83 wrote: Shouldn't Maine or Perez pinch-run here? (assuming Castillo cant of course) No, Sheff's not that slow. Either get a clearly superior runner or don't use one. No pitchers fit that category

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 02:14 PM

Wright off to his typical 0-2 deficit

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:14 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think David could benefit from a heroic walk-off hit here. We can collectively benefit

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 02:15 PM

3 pitches. What a fucking pussy

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 02:15 PM

God damn. Three pitches.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:15 PM

Oh well..I'm not shocked

Nymr83 Apr 29 2009 02:15 PM

Looking? Looking? come on Wright, swign the fucking bat there!!

TheOldMole Apr 29 2009 02:15 PM

A called third strike produces less benefit.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 02:16 PM

="TransMonk"]NO WAY we can leave the field this inning with out being at least tied. No way we can? Or no way we should? I'm pretty confident that we can.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 02:16 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 29 2009 02:17 PM

Church out on a force play and Tatis is the last chance.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:16 PM

All up to Fernando..

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 02:16 PM

Well, that's great. Moved the runners up and all. Last chance with two outs. Tatis up.

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 02:17 PM

Start Tatis at third on Friday. Maybe sitting for a Phils game will help get Wright's head out of his ass.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 02:17 PM

The good news is that a single can win it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 02:17 PM

HBP, loaded up for Castro.

metsguyinmichigan Apr 29 2009 02:17 PM

They freaking tease us again and again. Good teams make you pay for two lead-off walks.

bmfc1 Apr 29 2009 02:17 PM

Carlos? Carlos?

Nymr83 Apr 29 2009 02:18 PM

Tatis HBP, is Delgado available????

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 02:18 PM

They're going to pitch around him and maybe leave it to Castro.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 02:18 PM

Tatis got doinked. Castro called back to the dugout. Who's going to hit?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 02:18 PM

Castro going back to the dugout?

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 02:18 PM

DELGADO por favor.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2009 02:18 PM

Nymr83 wrote: Tatis HBP, is Delgado available???? 'parently not.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 02:19 PM

Holy fuck, Santos to pinch hit?

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:19 PM

C'mon jerry pick fuckin somebody

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 02:19 PM

I'll take a wild pitch if no one really wants to man up.

bmfc1 Apr 29 2009 02:19 PM

Howie is shocked. Me too.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:19 PM

Santos

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2009 02:19 PM

Wow! PH-ing Santos for Castro.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 02:19 PM

Odd. Jerry's putting Omir in to hit for Ramon. He had to call him from the bullpen where he was warming up relievers.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 02:19 PM

"absolutely a riverboat gamble" --Wayne Hagin

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 02:19 PM

Who's left? Santos, Delgado, and Castillo, right?

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 02:20 PM

That's such a fuck off to Castro, it's almost shocking.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2009 02:20 PM

HahnSolo wrote: I'll take a wild pitch if no one really wants to man up. That's where the HBP was an advantage to the Marlins

Nymr83 Apr 29 2009 02:20 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Wow! PH-ing Santos for Castro. Manuel just told us who is leaving when Schnieder gets back.

Centerfield Apr 29 2009 02:20 PM

Good time for Santos to pick up his first walk.

metirish Apr 29 2009 02:21 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: "absolutely a riverboat gamble" --Wayne Hagin That was a great exchange from Howie and Hagin....

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:21 PM

="Benjamin Grimm"] ="TransMonk"]NO WAY we can leave the field this inning with out being at least tied. No way we can? Or no way we should? I'm pretty confident that we can. maybe next time...again

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 02:21 PM

"Season's over." --JCL, April 29

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 02:21 PM

Ugh. Boo. Castro has two hits and an RBI, he should be hitting here. 14 LOB.

bmfc1 Apr 29 2009 02:21 PM

Edgy DC wrote: That's such a fuck off to Castro, it's almost shocking. Indeed. The guy had 2 hits today. I guess Jerry had Santos on his way to Cooperstown.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:21 PM

They ripped down Shea Stadium for this bullshit?

Nymr83 Apr 29 2009 02:22 PM

what a fucking tease in the 9th

metsguyinmichigan Apr 29 2009 02:22 PM

Ugly. Another big tease.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:22 PM

Season's Over 4/29 Ashie

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 02:23 PM

I hat baseball. Manuel is fucking mystifying. LOB, RISP, leadoff walks. GAAAAAAAAH!

Edgy DC Apr 29 2009 02:23 PM

It's the top of the eighth you should be writing your congressmember about.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 29 2009 02:24 PM

Ashie62 wrote: They ripped down Shea Stadium for this bullshit? I don't see the connection.

bmfc1 Apr 29 2009 02:24 PM

Look at how each team responded to getting two lead-off walks.

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 02:25 PM

bmfc1 wrote: ="Edgy DC"]That's such a fuck off to Castro, it's almost shocking. Indeed. The guy had 2 hits today. I guess Jerry had Santos on his way to Cooperstown. I guess I have to stand corrected by my statement that it will be Schnied/Castro once Brian is back. Don't get this move at all. Didn't like the bunt in the 7th. Irish definitely started the Manuel thread at the right time. Two out of three to these guys in our building with no Hanley. Disgusting.

mario25 Apr 29 2009 02:29 PM

Castro gets 2 hits today and is pinch hit for??? They find ways to lose and the manager makes awful decisions.

metirish Apr 29 2009 02:30 PM

It's Omir's birthday today.......maybe Jerry wanted him to feel good about himself...

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:35 PM

TransMonk wrote: I hat baseball. Manuel is fucking mystifying. LOB, RISP, leadoff walks. GAAAAAAAAH! Bobby V was mystifying but successful

TransMonk Apr 29 2009 02:37 PM

Ashie62 wrote: Bobby V was mystifying but successful I want him back NOW!

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2009 02:37 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 29 2009 02:40 PM

I didn't like pinch-hitting Santos for Castro. When you're down by one run with the bases loaded and one out left, it's all about getting on base and not making an out. It's about OBA. Castro has very good strike zone discipline; his OBA is typically 100 points higher than his BA. Santos has a terrible walk-rate. Castro is more likely to get on base than Santos, even when accounting for Castro's low BA.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2009 02:39 PM

TransMonk wrote: ="Ashie62"]Bobby V was mystifying but successful I want him back NOW! As do I..now!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 29 2009 02:47 PM

"Frustratingly, this season is not over." -LWFS, 4/29/09

HahnSolo Apr 29 2009 02:49 PM

We can gnash over Jerry's decision there all we want, but lets not forget the clusterf**k our third baseman was in the ninth (all homestand, in fact).

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2009 02:51 PM

I wonder if Castro is in Manuel's doghouse to a much greater extent than we might be imagining? Maybe Castro started today only because of the day after night circumstance, but that Manuel is continually stewing about Castro and trying very hard to embarass him. Just an idea.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2009 02:53 PM

It's like the USA has been saying for 50 years: Castro will be overthrown any day now.

Centerfield Apr 29 2009 02:57 PM

This team blows.

G-Fafif Apr 29 2009 04:58 PM

Citi Field: A nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to lose there. One of the few highlights was running into Swan Swan H in the Promenade food court before first pitch. It didn't take long for us to exhume the ghosts of Glavine and Stone, to name two ex-Braves. Man, we Mets fans are cheery people.

Fman99 Apr 29 2009 05:57 PM

ESPN, the NY Times, all pinning this loss on Putz and the pen for their headlines. Forget about the 14 Mets left on base. Crikey.

Swan Swan H Apr 29 2009 06:24 PM

Well, I'm a business person, and my Mom thinks I'm special, so I decided to take a vacation day and watch Santana shut down the Marlins, which he pretty much did. Wasn't enough, obviously. I may cut managers more slack than just about anyone, but I don't feel like Manuel has put the players in the best position to be successful. Some of it is hard to put my finger on, but I have a feeling that the players sit on the bench and have no idea what's going to happen next. The Santos move was a stunner. I was sitting in 409, behind first, and I was expecting Delgado, or Rusty Staub, or somebody, but the longer the wait I began to realize that Santos was probably coming in from the bullpen. And, to quote Groucho, "Why, I'll never know." I agree with an earlier post, meeting G-Fafif was one of the high points of the day. I recognized him from the book and the teevee, but we'd never met before. I think he's still getting used to being recognized. A Shake Shack burger and shake, Box Frites fries, and conversation with the guy who wrote the book on being a Mets Fan - it was mostly downhill from there.

Kong76 Apr 29 2009 06:40 PM

I didn't see any of the game and I'm not watching it tonight. I caught the last half of the ninth in the car when Castro was hit for and I thought to myself, "well, he's gone." Cohen made some kind of mention that it was a casino type move and I thought if this guy comes through god knows that was freakin' brilliant and if not he's gonna look like doo doo. Isn't Castro pretty much toast after the next roster move. I've been busy and I don't read everything here ... but there seems to be a lot of off anger swirling about already this young season. Ya'll are gonna start getting hives.

Rockin' Doc Apr 29 2009 07:18 PM

I read through this entire IGT thread after seeing my last patient of the day. What a depressing end of the workday. I knew we were in for trouble when the Mets were leading through 7 innings and I was only at the bottom of page 4 in the thread. I knew somehow they must have spit the bit and found a way to lose the game. Still I read on with the faint hope that I would read that the Mets ultimately won in extra innings. Unfortunately, it was not to be, but instinctively I knew that in my heart all along. It seems this team just seems to find ways to lose. I have a feeling this is going to be a long, frustrating season.

metirish Apr 29 2009 07:20 PM

Doc , if the Mets were your patient what would you prescribe to fix all that ails them? Sorry for the lame play on your post.

Rockin' Doc Apr 29 2009 07:30 PM

I think most of the team needs an assheadectomy. Most of the fans would likely benefit from a strong sedative, a narcotic analgesic and an opaque eye mask for sound sleeping.

metirish Apr 29 2009 07:32 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: I think most of the team needs an assheadectomy. Most of the fans would likely benefit from a strong sedative, a narcotic analgesic and an opaque eye mask for sound sleeping. LOL...great answer....

OlerudOwned Apr 29 2009 11:45 PM

metirish wrote: Doc , if the Mets were your patient what would you prescribe to fix all that ails them? Sorry for the lame play on your post. Kevorkian.

Rotblatt Apr 30 2009 07:11 AM

]We can gnash over Jerry's decision there all we want, but lets not forget the clusterf**k our third baseman was in the ninth (all homestand, in fact). Word. With two on in the ninth, down by 1 run, you can't go down looking at a freaking fastball. This game blew. I blame myself, for telling a fellow Mets fan two days ago that we were a better team than we were playing and would get better. I'm starting to think I was wrong.

G-Fafif Apr 30 2009 09:40 AM

Swan Swan H wrote: I think he's still getting used to being recognized. I've been recognized by one person almost every game this year. I've been unrecognized by 39,000 people every game this year as well.