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George Vecsey the latest to pile on the Mets

metsguyinmichigan
Apr 27 2009 02:58 PM

From his piece today comparing Busch III to Citi:

"Things are just more conservative in this river town, where the Cardinals have won 10 World Series, second only to the Yankees’ 26. The Mets have won two Series in their first 47 seasons, and management is hearing it from fans who say Mets history has been minimized at the new place.
What do Mets fans want — statues of Marvelous Marv Throneberry missing first and second base on a triple in 1962? Timo Perez shifting into a lower gear on a drive he imagined would be a home run in 2000? Nolan Ryan and Lenny Dykstra packing their bags?
The Mets have produced exactly one homegrown Hall of Famer, Tom Seaver, and a few spectacular underachievers, relying mostly on superb imports like Keith Hernandez, Gary Carter and Mike Piazza. Even factoring in Casey Stengel and Gil Hodges, that does not add up to a statue garden, just yet.
Cardinals history is worth the public promenade on a major corner behind left field. There are two immortals who were never Cardinals: George Sisler, the nonpareil star of the vanished Browns, and Cool Papa Bell, the St. Louis resident whose services were not wanted by organized baseball because of his race.
And there are eight Cardinals: Rogers Hornsby, Dizzy Dean, Ozzie Smith, Red Schoendienst, Gibson, Slaughter, Lou Brock and Stan Musial. (Mark McGwire is in the attic until further notice; Albert Pujols is a statue-in-progress; and there is the larger Musial statue that Stan the Man never liked.)
The display is not quite the thousands of terra-cotta warriors uncovered in the past century in Xian. But on game day the statues give a warm feel of permanence for a proud franchise in a grand baseball town.

OK, where to start...

I like the Cardinals as much as I like any opponent after spending the college years in Missouri.

And their new stadium seemed nice when I had a walk-around in October.

But, those statues were brought over from the old park, and, save for the Musial, they're kind of small.

And if he's going to knock Mets heroes as "imports," well, Brock was a Cub and Ozzie Smith was a Padre. And Red Schoendienst, while as loyal a Cardinal as can be, is a shakey Hall-of-Famer and might be the second-worst player ever featured in statue form.

And I don't understand the Throneberry and Timo cracks. Just cheap shots. There would be no shame in a Swoboda dive statue, a Seaver 19-K statue, an Orosco on his knees with fists raised statue. Mays, Tug, Endy... many memorable Mets moments if we wanted.

Maybe George didn't notice the Endy, Swoboda and Seaver figures above the entrances?

Plus, the Cards have about 60 years of history that predates the Mets, too, so there is more to draw from.

And, it's OK to pay tribute to Bell and Sisler, but not Jackie?

As we know, there is plenty of legitimate criticism. But the stupid crap is just piling on.

G-Fafif
Apr 27 2009 03:26 PM

I adore George Vecsey but this is insipid piling on, indeed. He was present at the creation of the Mets, a time when they were not to be taken seriously and I don't think he can believe anyone does see them as more than a lovable sideshow.

Edgy DC
Apr 27 2009 06:21 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 28 2009 05:34 AM

It's passing strange to read the guy who authered <i>Joy in Mudville</i> --- perhaps the most definitive account of the Mets struggling early years leading into the redemption of the team's greatest chapter --- mocking the team's lack of a history. Read your own book, man.

Little annoys me in opinion journalism more than the rhetorical device of asking a question of an opponent and then making up your own answer.

MFS62
Apr 27 2009 09:28 PM

Is he related to basketball writer Peter Vecsey? If so , how?
I've had runnng correspondence with Peter for several years. He is a very thoughtful, caring person, with an excellent perspective about the history of the game he covers, with no apparent slant toward a particular team.
Just wondering.

Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Apr 27 2009 09:33 PM

="MFS62":3a3pksbi]Is he related to basketball writer Peter Vecsey?[/quote:3a3pksbi]

Peter's older brother.

metirish
Apr 28 2009 06:57 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 28 2009 07:59 AM

It reads like piling on for pilings sake , very lame.

Frayed Knot
Apr 28 2009 07:44 AM

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3tpy5nlm]
="MFS62":3tpy5nlm]Is he related to basketball writer Peter Vecsey?[/quote:3tpy5nlm] Peter's older brother.[/quote:3tpy5nlm]

Although about as different as two can be.

Peter totally immerses himself in hoops where his rambunctious style meshes perfectly with the big city tabloid sensibility for his two long-time employers (first the DN, now the Post).

While NYTimes columnist George brings a much wider view (he was once The Times' religion writer and wrote Loretta Lynn's 'Coal Miner's Daughter') and he frequently takes his flowing prose out on the road writing more about the people and places surrounding the sport than the day-to-day happenings of sports themselves. You're as likely to find him writing from some late-night cafe in Barcelona as you are from his desk or a press box and more likely to find him writing about European football than American. (I once saw him reduce Lupica to a stammering pile of incredulity by saying on ESPN's 'The Sports Reporters' that he'd rather watch a high-level soccer game than the Super Bowl -- I don't know that he's ever been invited back to that show).

Edgy DC
Apr 28 2009 07:47 AM

Which makes this cliche of delberately provocative cherry picking all the more disappointing.

Frayed Knot
Apr 28 2009 07:57 AM

Agreed. GV knows NYM history as well as anyone and was maybe the most prominent voice calling for the whole stadium to be named for Jackie Robinson so he certainly can't be upset at the rotunda thing.
Mainly I think he's just creating a straw-man argument where the Met fans' disappointment at the lack of Met-centric decor is being derided as if a demand that bronze statues be erected to commemorate each semi-historic moment.