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="Edgy DC":1nggzs4j]I thought they went "Waa! Waa! Waa!"[/quote:1nggzs4j]
That's what I always assumed.
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Edgy DC
May 01 2009 07:07 AM
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Anybody else?
Hasn't anybody seen the Trick? What do people do?
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Nymr83
May 01 2009 07:09 AM
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i liatened but had no idea.
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TransMonk
May 01 2009 07:16 AM
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="Edgy DC":1zirna3s]Anybody else?
Hasn't anybody seen the Trick? What do people do?[/quote:1zirna3s]
I have a friend who's seen them over a dozen times. When I see him tonight, I'll ask him if he knows.
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Edgy DC
May 01 2009 07:18 AM
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Good, I have another queston. Does Robin Zander still toss Kiss records to the crowd every show? He can't possibly still be throwing vinyl, could he? Because that would be too cool for words.
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cooby
May 02 2009 06:58 PM
Re: Minor Mysteries of my Life
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="Edgy DC":2unutevj]What are the three syllables that the youth of Japan are yelling in response to Robin Zander when he asks "Didn't I, didn't I, didn't I see you cryin'?"[/quote:2unutevj]
My goodness Edgy, I hope this hasn't been keeping you awake all these years
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Edgy DC
May 02 2009 08:53 PM
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Among other stuff.
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Met Hunter
May 03 2009 08:56 AM
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I found this comment from a fan while trolling the internet for info:
The studio single version of this song was already a hit in Japan when they recorded Live at Budokan. That is why the crowd sings along so enthusiastically. The "cryin-cryin-cryin" part is done as an echo effect on the single, and the crowd mimics the echo. This song is a great example of how a flawed live performance can easily kick ass all over a polished studio recording.
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Edgy DC
May 03 2009 01:35 PM
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You're a Trick Hunter, too, I see. Nice work.
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RealityChuck
May 03 2009 07:11 PM
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="Edgy DC":1nhc6haw]Anybody else?
Hasn't anybody seen the Trick? What do people do?[/quote:1nhc6haw]I saw them a couple of years ago. No one did a thing.
Granted, this wasn't a typical Cheap Trick audience (they were playing at a convention).
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TransMonk
May 07 2009 01:34 PM
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Unfortunatetly, Budokan is not a legendary triumph of audio recording of live performances...as it is was over 90% redubbed in the studio after the concert took place. Some of the drum tracks were kept, but pretty much all of the guitars and vocals were re-done.
See also: KISS Alive, Framton Comes Alive and nearly any other major label "Live" album ever released.
My friend confirmed what I thought to be true: the Japanese audience isn't chanting anything as far as he can tell. It seems to be studio trickery done after the fact with fader flicking.
Also, KISS albums are no longer tossed out at shows. Rick still tossed guitar picks along with the occasional Cheap Trick album flat.
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Edgy DC
May 07 2009 01:43 PM
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Jeez, that's like four straight shits you just dropped on my head there.
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TransMonk
May 07 2009 01:52 PM
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Sorry...probably shouldn't have pulled the curtain so far back.
Over 10 years ago, my band had a brief courtship with Cheap Trick's old manager from the Budokan days. He came out to see us practice once and came to one of our shows. It very quickly became appearant that neither of us wanted anything to do with the other. But, when he came to our practice, he gave us some enlightenment on the puppetry of bands, especially Trick in the early days.
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Edgy DC
May 07 2009 01:58 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 07 2009 02:38 PM
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The Trick signed on with Heart's management and immediately went to number one with "The Flame." I'd be bitter also if I was their old manager.
Confession: I knew Cheap Trick had a horrible power ballad called "The Flame" that became their biggest hit around 1990. I also knew there was a huge horrible power ballad that went "Wherever you go, Ill be with you/
Whatever you want, Ill give it to you" that I'll occasionally hear on awful radio stations. I didn't know until last month that they were the same song.
I'd contemptuously turned off the Cheap Trick song by line two for so long, I had no idea I'd been hearing it all these years.
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seawolf17
May 07 2009 02:03 PM
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I'll have to remember all that when I start my Cheap Trick tribute band.
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metirish
May 07 2009 02:08 PM
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| ="TransMonk"]Unfortunatetly, Budokan is not a legendary triumph of audio recording of live performances...as it is was over 90% redubbed in the studio after the concert took place. Some of the drum tracks were kept, but pretty much all of the guitars and vocals were re-done.
See also: KISS Alive, Framton Comes Alive and nearly any other major label "Live" album ever released.
My friend confirmed what I thought to be true: the Japanese audience isn't chanting anything as far as he can tell. It seems to be studio trickery done after the fact with fader flicking.
Also, KISS albums are no longer tossed out at shows. Rick still tossed guitar picks along with the occasional Cheap Trick album flat. |
"Live & Dangerous" the classic live album from Thin Lizzy is mostly trickery from 70's hot shot producer Tony Visconti. I remember being upset reading that in Metal Hammer magazine years ago....
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TransMonk
May 07 2009 02:18 PM
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From Rolling Stone issue #293, June 14, 1979:
"Nobody forces them to go out on the road 300 nights a year," says Ken Adamany. "This is what they like to do and what I like to do. Nobody's forcing anybody."
Adamany shifts a little uncomfortably in his seat. He is not used to giving interviews. "I prefer to stay in the background and let the music speak for itself," he says. But Adamany is hardly a background figure. He is constantly with the band; during sound checks and rehearsals he sits onstage listening, evaluating. Occasionally he'll tap Rick on the shoulder and whisper a few words of suggestion. He is also very much in charge of all operations; if any band member wants to wander around the hotel during his free time, he must ask Adamany's permission. Last tour, a Japanese fan handed Adamany a cartoon drawing of him and the band: Rick, Tom, Bun E. and Robin as marionettes---Ken Adamany as the puppeteer.
"The 'puppet theory' is absolutely true," he admits, poker-faced. "If Tom comes backstage now with white boots on, I'm gonna say, 'Tom---red boots tonight.' He might even say, 'Yes, sir!' Naw, not really. I don't ride herd on them; it's mutual respect. Rick manages me as much as I manage him."
"What are your plans for the next year, now that Cheap Trick is a major U.S. attraction?" I wonder.
"Well, we don't have any game plan. Just more of the same. And we're looking at some film projects."
"Are you still going to tour constantly?"
Adamany shrugs. "More of the same."
"Where did the Cheap Trick image come from? There seems to have been some shrewd planning and clever marketing."
"Does it seem so?" Adamany asks innocently. "Is that right? Well, the truth is, I saw Rick one day and said to myself, 'Ken, you're gonna make $10 million off that guy.'" Adamany grins toothily. And who can tell if he's joking?
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metsguyinmichigan
May 07 2009 02:27 PM
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I like the Budakon album. A few years back the band released the entire concert. It's interesting which songs made the cut for the CD when it first came out. I'd have swapped out several if I was making the call. Supposedly they were trying to stay away from the darker songs.
Original CD:
1. Hello There
2. Come on, Come On
3. Lookout
4 Big Eyes
5 Need Your Love
6 Ain't That a Shame
7 I Want You to Want Me
8 Surrender
9 Goodnight
10 Clock Strikes Ten
Expanded CD
1. Hello There
2. Come On, Come On
3. Elo Kiddies
4. Speak Now Or Forever Hold Your Peace
5. Big Eyes
6. Lookout
7. Downed
8. Can't Hold On
9. Oh Caroline
10. Surrender
11. Auf Wiedersehen
1. Need Your Love
2. High Roller
3. Southern Girls
4. I Want You To Want Me
5. California Man
6. Goodnight
7. Ain't That A Shame
8. Clock Strikes Ten
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metirish
May 07 2009 02:32 PM
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I have that one
released in 1998
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Farmer Ted
May 07 2009 03:29 PM
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Walking through a Wal-Mart last week and they were showing a Journey concert on a plasma TV ("oohh, look at the clarity of picture, crispness of sound..."). Steve Perry was NOT the lead singer. No sale of a big screen from this guy.
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Edgy DC
May 07 2009 05:18 PM
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If Journey is your flavor, the new singer is a pretty impressive topping.
We've discussed him in other threads, and I said there what I'm saying here: the good news that he's totally revitalized Journey. The bad news that he's totally revitalized Journey.
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G-Fafif
May 07 2009 05:39 PM
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If I liked Journey more, I'd come to him with open arms.
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