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="OlerudOwned":g449xvcv]27 would be an unusual age for a play who couldn't hit a lick at any point in his minor league career to suddenly become a viable major leaguer. I think handing him the job is more high risk (because he sort of sucks), low reward (the very very slim chance he goes for a long stretch without sucking).[/quote:g449xvcv]
I don't see a better option within the organization, as far as ROY candidate 400 ABS 10HR 50 RBI .275 which I don't believe are unrealistic would get a few votes, no?
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Edgy DC
May 09 2009 03:26 PM
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I think the best option is to continue to use everybody available.
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Ashie62
May 10 2009 04:27 PM
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="OlerudOwned":2osedokx]http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=santos001omi
You're pulling numbers out of your ass, though. He's never been able to put up that kind of line, at any level, ever.[/quote:2osedokx]
And Santos is pulling hits from his bat
Wouldn't it be nice not to have to go catcher shopping this winter?
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Edgy DC
May 10 2009 04:37 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 10 2009 09:16 PM
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I don't think they should anyway.
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OlerudOwned
May 10 2009 08:50 PM
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="Ashie62":78frxj6i]="OlerudOwned":78frxj6i]http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=santos001omi
You're pulling numbers out of your ass, though. He's never been able to put up that kind of line, at any level, ever.[/quote:78frxj6i]
And Santos is pulling hits from his bat
Wouldn't it be nice not to have to go catcher shopping this winter?[/quote:78frxj6i]
You seem to be assuming that I don't want him to succeed. I just don't think he will, based on, well, everything. Even right now, with him "pulling hits from his bat," the guy is on-basing .310 over a .300 avg. In 40 ABs.
I'd absolutely love for him to magically turn into a legitimate starting catcher. If he does, I'll eat my hat. Seriously. I have a nice little flatcap a friend was getting rid of, and I will record and post a video of myself chewing on the damn thing like a dog if Santos reaches the level you seem to expect from him.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 10 2009 09:08 PM
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The thing Santos has a chance to become, or maybe already is, is a younger, healthier, more powerful version of Brian Schneider. Not that that is saying all that much.
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duan
May 11 2009 08:40 AM
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santos is a good part to have, he hasn't embarrassed himself with the bat and is possibly going to be a decent defensive backstop, but let's not think that he's a late blooming pudge roderiguez. cause he aint. But serviceable part for Major League Minimum is not to be sneezed at.
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Benjamin Grimm
May 11 2009 08:46 AM
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He may turn out, given the opportunity, to be the best catcher the Mets have in 2009. I don't see him winning the Rookie of the Year unless it turns out to be an awfully weak year for NL rookies.
But we've seen so little of him that it's hard to jump to any conclusions. I remember Raul Gonzalez came to the Mets and looked fantastic for a while, but nothing came of him. It's entirely possible that Santos will also flame out very quickly and be forgotten in Buffalo by July 1.
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Edgy DC
May 11 2009 08:57 AM
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I think the RoY talk is silly and beside the point. (We need a catcher, not a hardware fetcher.) But I looked and the only NL rookie getting at-bats so far is the underwhelmingly performing Atlanta centerfielder Jordan Schaffer. (On the other hand, I suspect ESPN's list is only including guys who have never appeared in a previous season.)
Really, the guy we might be pushing at the end of the year is Bobby Parnell.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 11 2009 09:08 AM
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Schaffer is a roider -- he was previously suspended for using the same stuff Manny was using -- and he sucks.
I'm all over Parnell for ROY.
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metirish
May 11 2009 09:12 AM
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Santos doing all the right things to stay up.
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Mets catcher Omir Santos catches praise from Jerry Manuel
The chemistry couldn't be any better in the Mets' clubhouse following seven straight wins and a bump from third to first in the NL East. And Omir Santos has been a big part of it.
The 28-year-old rookie catcher went 2-for-4 in Sunday's 8-4 win over the Pirates with a pair of crucial RBI, earning a vote of confidence from Jerry Manuel.
Asked how he could possibly send the red-hot Santos back to the minors when Brian Schneider returns from the disabled list, Manuel replied: "I didn't say he was going back down. As long as he's doing what he's doing, he's going to stay here."
It's unlikely the Mets will keep three catchers - Schneider, Ramon Castro and Santos.
Schneider, the Opening Day starter who has been on the DL since April 16 with back issues and an injured right calf, is scheduled to resume playing extended spring training games today in Port St. Lucie. When Schneider, hitting .143, is able to rejoin the team, the Mets will be faced with the tough decision of designating a starting catcher and naming a backup.
Santos isn't looking like the odd man out. He came through with a clutch hit in the fourth inning Sunday, lining a fastball from Ian Snell to right field and driving in a pair of runs to give the Mets a 3-2 lead. Since being called up from Triple-A Buffalo when Schneider got hurt, he's hitting .300 (12-for-40) in 16 games with five extra-base hits, eight RBI and eight runs scored.
"As long as I'm up here, I'm going to feel happy. I'm going to enjoy every opportunity that they give me and do my best," Santos said. "If they keep me, I'm going to feel good about it. I've done a pretty good job. ... I think I deserve the opportunity and I think I can play on this level."
Castro, who was available to play Sunday but sat out after getting cramps in his right thigh on Saturday, is hitting .292 (14-for-48) in 16 appearances, with five extra-base hits, eight RBI and three runs scored.
The Mets could opt to keep all three catchers and drop a relief pitcher, though they'll likely have to make another move there with righthander Tim Redding close to returning from a strained rotator cuff. "I don't know what we're going to do when that situation presents itself," Manuel said of having three able-bodied catchers. "But right now (Santos is) playing great."
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BY MATT GAGNE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Sunday, May 10th 2009, 9:15 PM
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gerrard00
May 11 2009 09:56 AM
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I just don't see how we can stick with Castro when he's injured every time he has the chance to really grab the reins.
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Benjamin Grimm
May 11 2009 11:18 AM
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="Edgy DC":3rc3zzmg]Really, the guy we might be pushing at the end of the year is Bobby Parnell.[/quote:3rc3zzmg]
Or maybe Jon Niese.
This has reminded me how long it's been since a Met has won one of the big three post-season awards. Not since Doc Gooden's Cy Young in 1985.
And 24 years since a Rookie of the Year. Let's make up for it by winning all three. I'll nominate Beltran, Santana, and Niese.
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RealityChuck
May 11 2009 12:34 PM
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ROY for Santos is dreaming, but he does show a lot to like. Most likely the team will let Castro walk next year (or try to trade him as a rental) and use Santos as backup catcher next year.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 11 2009 01:36 PM
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="RealityChuck":1645p75a]Most likely the team will let Castro walk next year (or try to trade him as a rental) and use Santos as backup catcher next year.[/quote:1645p75a]
At these prices, I don't think anyone's renting that. Maybe an as-is sale, at yard-sale prices.
="Edgy DC":1645p75a]I think the RoY talk is silly and beside the point. (We need a catcher, not a hardware fetcher.) But I looked and the only NL rookie getting at-bats so far is the underwhelmingly performing Atlanta centerfielder Jordan Schaffer. (On the other hand, I suspect ESPN's list is only including guys who have never appeared in a previous season.)
Really, the guy we might be pushing at the end of the year is Bobby Parnell.[/quote:1645p75a]
Agreed. Kid's got sauce.
Elsewhere, Dexter Fowler in Colorado-- 9 SBs, flashes of power, great D-- intrigues; once the weather turns and flies start flying at Coors, you'll be best advised to watch out. Otherwise, with prime beef like McCutchens (Pirates OF, toolsier than Home Depot) and Gamels (Brewers 3B, Ryan Braun-y hitter... and fielder) dry-aging on the farm, it's a bit lean in the Senior Circuit, ROTY-wise. (The AL's been much more fertile in this respect-- with Romero and Richmond and Cecil, the Jays alone have three candidates in their rotation.)
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Nymr83
May 12 2009 09:47 AM
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It doesn't look like the club will need to decide between Castro and Santos any time soon.
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SteveJRogers
May 12 2009 10:06 AM
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="Nymr83"]| ] Brian Schneider (right calf) was scratched from his extended spring training game Monday, and Omar Minaya said there was no timetable for when Schneider would begin playing |
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Well, that makes the offseason decision with him even easier.
So long!
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Edgy DC
May 12 2009 10:16 AM
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We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.
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SteveJRogers
May 12 2009 10:23 AM
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="Edgy DC":11z75zzr]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:11z75zzr]
Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 12 2009 10:27 AM
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="SteveJRogers":622t2090]="Edgy DC":622t2090]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:622t2090]
Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:622t2090]
I'm not sure if you've noticed, Steve, but unless Sandy's putting the mask back on this week, we're down to one option at the moment.
And contrary to what you believe, if the past provides ANY sort of predictive value, Schneider's probably at least a slightly better offensive option than Omir over the course of a season.
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Benjamin Grimm
May 12 2009 10:28 AM
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And if Santos pulls a hammy tomorrow? Will you still be glad that Schneider is hurt?
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Edgy DC
May 12 2009 10:47 AM
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="SteveJRogers":5nmxtfga]="Edgy DC":5nmxtfga]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:5nmxtfga]
Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:5nmxtfga]
You're all class, Steve.
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OlerudOwned
May 12 2009 10:54 AM
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="SteveJRogers":24s1ipc9]="Edgy DC":24s1ipc9]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:24s1ipc9]
Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:24s1ipc9]
That option has probably been the best of the three options you nitwit.
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SteveJRogers
May 12 2009 11:07 AM
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="OlerudOwned":37qc9j40]="SteveJRogers":37qc9j40]="Edgy DC":37qc9j40]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:37qc9j40]
Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:37qc9j40]
That option has probably been the best of the three options you nitwit.[/quote:37qc9j40]
Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here.
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HahnSolo
May 12 2009 11:15 AM
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This guy on the right is available. And wait'll you hear his at bat entrance music.
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Edgy DC
May 12 2009 11:24 AM
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="SteveJRogers":og1fkuiq]="OlerudOwned":og1fkuiq]="SteveJRogers":og1fkuiq]="Edgy DC":og1fkuiq]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:og1fkuiq]
Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:og1fkuiq]
That option has probably been the best of the three options you nitwit.[/quote:og1fkuiq]
Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here.[/quote:og1fkuiq]
KILL HIM!
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 12 2009 11:36 AM
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="EdgyDC":obfr4gp0]
="SteveJRogers":obfr4gp0]Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here.[/quote:obfr4gp0]
KILL HIM![/quote:obfr4gp0]
I say, we stomp him, then we tattoo him, then we hang him, THEN we kill him.
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metirish
May 12 2009 11:42 AM
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I'm not huge fan of Schneider but come on he's it after Santos and the injured Castro....what's the status of Castro , with this long road trip coming up who is going to catch with Omir?
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OlerudOwned
May 12 2009 12:01 PM
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="SteveJRogers":3qr68pcq]="OlerudOwned":3qr68pcq]="SteveJRogers":3qr68pcq]="Edgy DC":3qr68pcq]We're going to need a lot of folks before this is over. Let's not go celebrating injury.[/quote:3qr68pcq]
Yeah, but I like having that option no longer available.[/quote:3qr68pcq]
That option has probably been the best of the three options you nitwit.[/quote:3qr68pcq]
Can't hit, can't field (which is WHY he was brought here), and can't run. The guy has been a disaster since coming here.[/quote:3qr68pcq]
Brian Schneider last season: .257/.339/.367 in 384 PAs
Omir Santos best season, at any level (2002, split between the NY-Penn and Sally leagues): .275/.317/.400 in 331 PAs
That's it. That's the best he's done, ever. He's 28.
But yeah, [url=http://tiny.cc/bDyF7:3qr68pcq]Schneider[/url:3qr68pcq] [url=http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=c&stats=fld&lg=nl&qual=800&type=0&season=2008&month=0:3qr68pcq]can't[/url:3qr68pcq] [url=http://tiny.cc/lFXTR:3qr68pcq]field[/url:3qr68pcq].
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Nymr83
May 12 2009 12:13 PM
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well done OO.
i dont like schenieder, but being happy he is hurt is pretty damn stupid considering hte other options the Mets foolishly left themselves with.
The front office must be kicking themselves over letting Flores go in the rule 5 draft a few years ago.
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Frayed Knot
May 12 2009 12:21 PM
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You have to forgive SJR, he suffers from listening to too many folks who value having an opinion more than they do actually reasoning it out and that if they yell said opinion out loud enough and often enough it becomes true whether it actually is or not.
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Edgy DC
May 12 2009 12:23 PM
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="Nymr83":38kare1a]The front office must be kicking themselves over letting Flores go in the rule 5 draft a few years ago.[/quote:38kare1a]
Hopefully, they're all kicked out.
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MadDog
May 12 2009 12:35 PM
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| ="Frayed Knot"]You have to forgive SJR, he suffers from listening to too many folks who value having an opinion more than they do actually reasoning it out and that if they yell said opinion out loud enough and often enough it becomes true whether it actually is or not. |
AH, COME ON, FRAYED! Brian Schneider is TERRIBLE.
(awkward silence)
He's a TERRIBLE player, and the Mets are better off without him. TERRIBLE!
Say something funny, Mike!
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Frayed Knot
May 12 2009 01:56 PM
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Not who I was talking about MD but always good to hear from you anyway.
And the thing about Schneider is that, yes, he's been a disappointment, both in his the fact that he doesn't give the impression of being the top-notch defensive fielder we were led to believe and in his inability to stay on the field. Anyone who thought coming in that he was going to be a dynamite hitter has only himself to blame.
But, to a large extent, Met fans have been spoiled over the last few decades by having the likes of Carter, then Hundley, then Piazza behind the dish (and also fooled by Posada across town). Many of them need to be reminded of the dirty little secret that reads: [u:1fn9o8fu]most catchers don't hit much[/u:1fn9o8fu]. Schneider's offense (particularly if you throw out last season's first half - he was much better in the 2nd) is much closer to the norm than a lot of fans seem to think. You want to find an upgrade for next season or even this it's fine with me -- just don't expect to find one under every rock.
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Frayed Knot
May 14 2009 10:51 AM
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More catcher news - from Adam Rubin's blog, NYDN:
Catcher Javier Valentin, Jose's brother, has signed with the Mets and will report to Triple-A Buffalo, replacing Rafael Arroyo on the Bisons' roster. Valentin, 33, has appeared in 631 major-league games from 1997-2008, with a combined .251 average, 45 homers and 210 RBI in 1,507 at-bats. He spent spring training with the Nationals but declared himself a free agent when Washington asked him to go to the minors.
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Nymr83
May 14 2009 12:04 PM
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="Frayed Knot":efbuufmk]
He spent spring training with the Nationals but declared himself a free agent when Washington asked him to go to the minors.[/quote:efbuufmk]
but now he's back in the minors having lost a month of pay, he must really smell oppotunity here, and i don't blame him.
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Ashie62
May 24 2009 09:59 AM
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I believe Mr. Santos is the leading candidate or NL ROY..Fowler has washed out
It would help us all if I am close to correct
Sincerely Ashie62
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