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="Centerfield":28w6uoca]For those that saw it, is there any question he would have been on third?[/quote:28w6uoca]
It is unlikely he would have been on third, but when you're Jose Reyes and you have the speed to unnerve defenders, hell yeah, stress them out.
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soupcan
May 13 2009 07:22 PM
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I'll go with 'not such a great aptitude for the sport and over confident'.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 13 2009 07:28 PM
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It's as if he wants to prove he can be everything his worst detractors say he is.
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Fman99
May 13 2009 07:33 PM
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It was Timotastic.
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Kong76
May 13 2009 07:36 PM
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I don't think he's lazy.
I don't think he had a triple in that late off the wall spot but ya just gotta
bust it out of the box every single time for my taste.
Sometimes I think he's a time bomb who's gonna push the envelope once
too often with a manager, teammates, and the fans.
I like him a lot, and hope that he and Wright are together for a long time.
But really, there's a lot at stake this year after the last two and you can't
be dickin' around at all without being finally called on it eventually.
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Edgy DC
May 13 2009 08:04 PM
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Lazy isn't the issue. Nobody fails to bust it out of the box because it's too much of a hassle. They fail to bust it either because (a) they lose focus, or (b) it feels cool to not do what you're supposed to and still get away with it.
Don't let him get away with it.
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Swan Swan H
May 13 2009 08:34 PM
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Right you are, Edgy.
<oldguy_rant> It seems like fifteen or twenty years ago a guy would get booed for that sort of thing, and it might actually matter to the player, who felt like he owed something to the attendance. Not any more. Booing won't help. Calls to talk radio are masturbatory wastes of time. We are powerless. The separation between player and fan has grown to the point where support is expected with an ugly sense of entitlement and criticism brings only defiance. </oldguy_rant>
There is only one way to prevent him from getting away with it, and one person who can do it. Next time he pulls this, as he is clapping his hands ninety feet shy of the place he should be standing, the next thing he sees should be Alex Cora, an unfortunate actor in this play, trotting out sheepishly to run for him.
Make him sit on the bench for the rest of the game, not hiding in the palatial clubhouse, so the camera can show his face nine million times, and ESPN and MLB Network show every shot in an endless loop. It's been done forever, probably since the ball was filled with feathers, and it's time to bring it back.
Doing it today would have been ludicrous, with the empty bench. A 'next time' chat, and the balls to do it when (and I doubt it's if - it will be when) it happens again are in order for Jerry Manuel.
Hey Irish, if he was a hockey player I'd suggest he should be put through a bag skate the likes of which would kill a lesser man. What's the equivalent here?
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metirish
May 13 2009 08:43 PM
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Reyes ran last night and hurt the team, so as mentioned above it's focus with Reyes. Last season when Manuel took over this crap was supposed to be done with , Reyes had tuned Willie out they say and Jerry was going to get him focused , benched him his first game. But all that didn't work as he has proven since with several lazy, bad call them whatever plays.
Swanie I don't know if you can punish a guy like that in baseball....it seems to be a point of pride in hockey that stuff. Do they have the kangaroo court these days?
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Swan Swan H
May 13 2009 08:50 PM
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Good point. Maybe Delgado could put on the wig.
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Edgy DC
May 13 2009 08:55 PM
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Delgado sure had a good vantage point. He would have done well to burn Reyes' clothes before he got back to his locker.
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smg58
May 14 2009 06:49 AM
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He's done it before, and it shouldn't be tolerated. If I were managing, Cora would play short tonight.
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Nymr83
May 14 2009 07:40 AM
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| ]<oldguy_rant> It seems like fifteen or twenty years ago a guy would get booed for that sort of thing, and it might actually matter to the player, who felt like he owed something to the attendance. Not any more. Booing won't help. Calls to talk radio are masturbatory wastes of time. We are powerless. The separation between player and fan has grown to the point where support is expected with an ugly sense of entitlement and criticism brings only defiance. </oldguy_rant> |
i dont care what the anti-booing folks say, booing is a well-deserved and appropriate responce to a player not giving 100% effort.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 14 2009 07:42 AM
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The one and only occasion in which booing is appropriate.
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MFS62
May 14 2009 07:43 AM
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Is it just me (a loaded question) or has Reyes' performance on the field declined since he got married? He seemed to have been improving, but the last full year or so he's doing the same stuff he did as a rookie. We keep talking about his mental mistakes and attitude. We married folks know what marriage can do to your head.
Just a thought.
Later
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 14 2009 07:46 AM
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Just you I am sure. I think edgy nailed it, he's enamored with his ability to "make things happen" to the point where doing so while also being intelligent about it is too confining for him.
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seawolf17
May 14 2009 07:51 AM
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That's no way to go through life, son.
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holychicken
May 14 2009 08:41 AM
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="Nymr83":2m9wtvae]i dont care what the anti-booing folks say, booing is a well-deserved and appropriate responce to a player not giving 100% effort.[/quote:2m9wtvae]
I am against the booing of players that don't perform well. I believe it is more than justified for players who don't give it their all.
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Ceetar
May 14 2009 09:47 AM
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="metirish":1c6uovaw]Reyes ran last night and hurt the team, so as mentioned above it's focus with Reyes. Last season when Manuel took over this crap was supposed to be done with , Reyes had tuned Willie out they say and Jerry was going to get him focused , benched him his first game. But all that didn't work as he has proven since with several lazy, bad call them whatever plays.
Swanie I don't know if you can punish a guy like that in baseball....it seems to be a point of pride in hockey that stuff. Do they have the kangaroo court these days?[/quote:1c6uovaw]
He's not lazy. As much as he should 'bust it' on every AB, 99.9% of batters don't. You could argue that he learned the other day that that's not a triple off the bat. It wouldn't have been. it didn't cost us anything.
As for his play advancing..well, yeah, it was bad. But it was also in the hole, maybe Reyes thought it was getting through, and if it wasn't Castillo running, Escobar may throw to first and Reyes is safe. It's pushing the envelope, which he needs to do, but maybe dumb right there. Reyes has never been a great baseball thinker, but he's learned and honed his instincts to adapt. But this is part of the problem with the Reyes-Manuel dynamic. Manuel has been holding him back in terms of 'picking spots' in stealing bases, and what not. But you can't get Reyes to think how Manuel is thinking, you have to set up the rules and what to look for, but that's not what Manuel's doing. He's not respecting Reyes ability as a basestealer, trying to fit him into how Manuel thinks he should be, rather than how Reyes thinks he should be. You could see it last year with the whole 'not dancing' fiasco early on, until Beltran righted him. The team had him scared to even do Professore Reyes, because he thought he had to 'focus on baseball' and couldn't do both.
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gerrard00
May 14 2009 09:52 AM
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="holychicken":ffazqu5w]="Nymr83":ffazqu5w]i dont care what the anti-booing folks say, booing is a well-deserved and appropriate responce to a player not giving 100% effort.[/quote:ffazqu5w]
I am against the booing of players that don't perform well. I believe it is more than justified for players who don't give it their all.[/quote:ffazqu5w]
Maybe that's part of the problem. The crowds boo so often for things like "he tried his best but could not make the tough catch" that the boos become meaningless when someone really is not giving their all and deserves the business.
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G-Fafif
May 14 2009 10:18 AM
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[url=http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/ducks/garycarter/2009/05/getting_booed_is_part_of_the_g.html:slzjo9mo]Getting booed is part of the game.[/url:slzjo9mo]
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Fman99
May 14 2009 10:32 AM
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="holychicken":2g7tig2j]="Nymr83":2g7tig2j]i dont care what the anti-booing folks say, booing is a well-deserved and appropriate responce to a player not giving 100% effort.[/quote:2g7tig2j]
I am against the booing of players that don't perform well. I believe it is more than justified for players who don't give it their all.[/quote:2g7tig2j]
At the game, I only boo players on the other team. The Mets don't need to hear my boos or those from the home crowd to know when they're sucking wind.
At home, or in the pool, I boo Mets heartily.
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