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IGT: Mets @ Giants--05/16/09

bmfc1 May 16 2009 11:21 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 16 2009 01:59 PM

METS: Luis Castillo 2B Alex Cora SS Carlos Beltran CF Gary Sheffield LF David Wright 3B Fernando Tatis 1B Ramon Castro C Ryan Church RF Johan Santana LHP (4-2, 0.78) Giants: Emmanuel Burriss 2B Fred Lewis LF Pablo Sandoval 3B Bengie Molina C Randy Winn RF Juan Uribe SS Aaron Rowand CF Travis Ishikawa 1B Randy Johnson LHP (3-3, 5.89)

Ceetar May 16 2009 11:47 AM

I'm pretty sure Manuel makes these lineups using names out of a hat. Where's Murphy?

OlerudOwned May 16 2009 11:52 AM

Ceetar wrote: I'm pretty sure Manuel makes these lineups using names out of a hat. Where's Murphy? Sitting against the lefty, because the book says lefties can't hit lefties, even if this lefty has hit lefties pretty well?

Ceetar May 16 2009 11:55 AM

No more pulling Santana with like 95 pitches. He's going to get an extra day of rest this time through, so all the starters should be pushed just a little bit more.

Edgy DC May 16 2009 12:22 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: ="Ceetar"]I'm pretty sure Manuel makes these lineups using names out of a hat. Where's Murphy? Sitting against the lefty, because the book says lefties can't hit lefties, even if this lefty has hit lefties pretty well? So have Sheffield and Tatis.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 01:18 PM

Sheffield, career vs. Johnson: 6/40, 2 XBH, .150 Avg/.271 OBP/.250 Slugging But, y'know, he's a righty. And... um... he's got defensive experience in San Francisco's outfield?

Ashie62 May 16 2009 01:48 PM

I think Jerry wants to play Sheffield full time as Sheffield is rounding into baseball shape. Murphy? He may soon be getting all the time he wants at 1B and spotting in LF

Ashie62 May 16 2009 01:50 PM

Of course this OF juggling could have been avoided by bringing in a big bopper during the off season..like Manny!

metirish May 16 2009 02:09 PM

Kenny Albert sets up Eric Karros...... " Seven Cy Youngs between them....Johnson and Santana" Karros " When I look at this match up I see the best in the game today against the best of all time , the best ever in RJ yyybbb"... best ever , really? When I think of best ever I don't think RJ , but maybe I'm not thinking right.

Edgy DC May 16 2009 02:12 PM

I guess you mean that ironically. Castillo leads off with a hit.

Nymr83 May 16 2009 02:15 PM

METS RUNNING WILD IN SAN FRAN 2 steals in the first inning, 13 on the series

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 02:16 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 16 2009 02:17 PM

They've been utterly merciless on Molina. (The long-stride power pitcher procession doesn't help-- guys like Lincecum and Johnson are TERRIBLE at holding on runners.)

smg58 May 16 2009 02:16 PM

I'm thinking that Mannuel is playing Sheffield regularly right now because the loss of Delgado does leave a void in power in the lineup. I've decided that I don't want Bengie Molina this offseason. He'd have to hit like Piazza to make all these stolen bases an acceptable loss.

Edgy DC May 16 2009 02:16 PM

bmfc1 May 16 2009 02:18 PM

smg--I agree. I posted about this possibility on Thursday. He can definitely hit but the Mets can't think much of his throwing ability.

OlerudOwned May 16 2009 02:18 PM

Even if he isn't quite the same pitcher anymore, I sure do enjoy watching the Mets knock Johnson around.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 02:20 PM

Run support? RUN SUPPORT?

Edgy DC May 16 2009 02:21 PM

I half miss the automatic inclusion of Joe McEwing in the lineup against Randy Johnson.

metirish May 16 2009 02:26 PM

Can't listen to the monotone voice of Karros . It's like at times I wonder if the sound on the TV isn't working properly. Paul O' Neill is another like that....

Nymr83 May 16 2009 02:29 PM

]I've decided that I don't want Bengie Molina this offseason. He'd have to hit like Piazza to make all these stolen bases an acceptable loss. Sanchez is the 2nd worst lefty in the league at holding runners, and the rest of these clowns are much good either. Molina has thrown out 33% for his career, including 35, 30, 18, 31 the last 4 years (he's at 22% so far this year) he did so with 3 different teams, so you can probably say that represents his true ability rather than a reflection of the pitching staffs he caught. thats not to say i necessaruly want him, but his ability to throw out runners wouldnt be the reason i'd want to stay away

Edgy DC May 16 2009 02:32 PM

Offseason Shmoffseason. Baseball. Here. Now.

bmfc1 May 16 2009 02:36 PM

Edgy wants us to focus on today. We're not here to post about the future. Nice back-handed toss by Johan. I hope he wins both the Gold Glove and the Cy Young.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 02:43 PM

bmfc1 wrote: Edgy wants us to focus on today. We're not here to post about the future. Nice back-handed toss by Johan. I hope he wins both the Gold Glove and the Cy Young. How didn't he win last year? I mean, Maddux is great, don't get me wrong... but at this point, he simply CAN'T be the equal of Johan, athletically. (Hell, I'd go Zambrano over Maddux these days.)

Swan Swan H May 16 2009 02:44 PM

That was kind of a back-handed toss by Edgy as well. Got me focused. I take a little nap and wake up to a 3-0 lead. I may sleep through September 30 and see how that works out.

Rockin' Doc May 16 2009 02:59 PM

The Giants are flailin' and failin' with Santana's changeup. Fox booth talking about why Bochy starts lefthanded hitting Ishikawa at first base instead of the righthanded batting Aurelia. Karros states, that Santana's best pitch is a change up and by starting the lefthanded batter you effectively take that pitch away from him. Befor he can even complete the sentence, Ishikawa flails helplessly at a change up to strike out and end the inning. Too bad Santana can't throw the change to lefties. Damn, he would be unbelievable if he could do that. Maybe if the announcers would shut their mouths and open their eyes they wouldn't sound so clueless sometimes.

metsguyinmichigan May 16 2009 03:07 PM

I used to like Randy Johnson, especially in 2001 when he beat the Yankees in the Series. Then he became a Yankee, and I disliked him. Now that he's a Giant, I can't get over the Yankee taint.

metirish May 16 2009 03:09 PM

The only way Sandoval should ever go to third is when he hits a home run.

Rockin' Doc May 16 2009 03:09 PM

Another Mets error leads to yet another unearned run with Santana on the mound.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 03:11 PM

metirish wrote: The only way Sandoval should ever go to third is when he hits a home run. Two triples this year, actually. I'm guessing shoelace problems and/or loose animals were involved.

Edgy DC May 16 2009 03:11 PM

Anybody who puts a up a 6.92 post-season ERA for the Yankees can drink in my bar.

apmorris May 16 2009 03:12 PM

What excuse is there for all these errors? I don't get it.

apmorris May 16 2009 03:14 PM

Santana to steal?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 03:15 PM

If Johan throws an up-and-in fastball toward the FoxSports booth, will that shut Karros up? I'd take Dibble over this a-hole-- at least Robby's Kenny Powers-brand amusing.

bmfc1 May 16 2009 03:18 PM

Dibble is a moron. I hear him locally on the Nats games and he's beyond bad. He's made XM 175 off-limits for me between 4 and 7.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 03:22 PM

bmfc1 wrote: Dibble is a moron. I hear him locally on the Nats games and he's beyond bad. He's made XM 175 off-limits for me between 4 and 7. Oh, I know. But he's just about to that so-bad-he's-good point with me. Unlike this defensive support for Johan. Which is just tragic.

holychicken May 16 2009 03:24 PM

This is getting ridiculous.

metsguyinmichigan May 16 2009 03:32 PM

Beltran AGAIN!!!

Rockin' Doc May 16 2009 03:32 PM

Beltran is ridiculously good!! The Mets should clone him.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 03:34 PM

I hereby eat my words-- or, rather, my snide pregame implications-- about Sheffield starting today. With Sheff heating up, this lineup is looking very, very livable.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 03:36 PM

Another run-scoring double for Sugar Pants? Sweet!

Rockin' Doc May 16 2009 03:36 PM

The Mets might want to look into cloning Wright too, while they're at it. Sheffield runs pretty well for an old guy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 03:39 PM

Side note: Did you know that you can see the Civil Rights struggle in Ryan Howard's eyes? It looks a little like a stye, or a confusing, hard-hit grounder-- look carefully, or you'll miss it.

Ceetar May 16 2009 03:40 PM

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I hereby eat my words-- or, rather, my snide pregame implications-- about Sheffield starting today. With Sheff heating up, this lineup is looking very, very livable. I agree with that...but. As Wright's leadership shows, this team doesn't need to be a bomber team. And Sheffield isn'tthat anymore either. He is doing well, getting singles, high OBP, but he's not hitting home runs, so to pretend he's in there for power..silly. But they can be a fast aggressive team, and win, without the power Delgado brings.

TheOldMole May 16 2009 03:46 PM

He'll still pound a few. No one's gonna hit all that many HRs into SF Bay.

Rockin' Doc May 16 2009 03:47 PM

Karros is having a lovefest for the Mets the past two innings. I can't believe we were saying such mean things about him earlier.

Rockin' Doc May 16 2009 03:49 PM

Bases loaded for Cora . Time to finish the Giants off right here. Maybe not.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 03:50 PM

Ceetar wrote: ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]I hereby eat my words-- or, rather, my snide pregame implications-- about Sheffield starting today. With Sheff heating up, this lineup is looking very, very livable. I agree with that...but. As Wright's leadership shows, this team doesn't need to be a bomber team. And Sheffield isn'tthat anymore either. He is doing well, getting singles, high OBP, but he's not hitting home runs, so to pretend he's in there for power..silly. But they can be a fast aggressive team, and win, without the power Delgado brings. Even if he hasn't been launching balls over walls, he's been showing the mechanical signs of some thump-- power comes from bat speed, and his wrists seem to be propelling ye olde bat head pretty quickly through the zone (if he's getting around on Lincecum). Manuel appears to think similarly. Murphy and Reed aren't markedly faster on the basepaths than Sheff.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 03:51 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: Karros is having a lovefest for the Mets the past two innings. I can't believe we were saying such mean things about him earlier. I stand by 'em. Even when he's saying nice things about the team, it's "heart" and "they were fighting themselves last year" brand pablum; he kinda sounds like a younger, melanin-and-HOF-cred-deficient Joe Morgan.

Kong76 May 16 2009 03:53 PM

Scoring more runs ==> good Leaving bases loaded ==> bad

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 04:00 PM

Does anyone else enjoy watching Sandoval as much as I do? I mean, he swings at everything, and makes Reyesian baserunning choices... but man, that bat speed and coordination. And he's got good hands and instincts at third, too (especially considering he's got Murphy-in-OF level prior experience there). Oh, and hello, Merkin!

metirish May 16 2009 04:12 PM

How could you not like a guy with this body playing third base in the majors?

bmfc1 May 16 2009 04:13 PM

ARGH! Someone should have got that.

metirish May 16 2009 04:14 PM

Sheffield's ball?

Rockin' Doc May 16 2009 04:16 PM

That ball was high enough and carried far enough that I would generally expect the left fileder to call the shortstop off and make that play.

Kong76 May 16 2009 04:18 PM

Let's get a few back. That water looks nice, it really is a beautiful place to watch a game on a warm and clear day.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 16 2009 04:28 PM

Kong76 wrote: Let's get a few back. That water looks nice, it really is a beautiful place to watch a game on a warm and clear day. Between the water, and the walkable, open concourses, it puts the "park" in ballpark. At night, though, the winds can make it murder on the underdressed fan. While visiting fam, caught a late August Giants-Cubs game a few years back on a Saturday night, and got caught cold and cashless... ended up having to sign up for a credit card under a phony name, just for the free fleece blanket. (Yay, fraud!)

Kong76 May 16 2009 04:52 PM

The ol' strike 'em out throw 'em out to end the 8th leaves me a little less anxious. Some insurance runs please NOW!!!

Edgy DC May 16 2009 05:03 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: Sheffield runs pretty well for an old guy. Like to see a pinchrunner here.

metsguyinmichigan May 16 2009 05:03 PM

Sheff's got his average up to .270 -- which isn't great, but a lot better than it was.

Kong76 May 16 2009 05:04 PM

Bases loaded in the 9th again with NO OUTS!!!

bmfc1 May 16 2009 05:06 PM

Karros: "Tatis is a gamer. Doesn't care if he's in or out of the lineup." Great analysis.

metirish May 16 2009 05:06 PM

Ninth inning and Karros still hasn't depleted the cliché bag...Tatis = gamer

Edgy DC May 16 2009 05:06 PM

Way to get into third as at the trailing run by Sheff. I just figure Reed is going in for defense, right? So might as well run him here.

Nymr83 May 16 2009 05:07 PM

metirish wrote: Ninth inning and Karros still hasn't depleted the cliché bag...Tatis = gamer the cliche bag is bottomless, just ask joe morgan

Edgy DC May 16 2009 05:09 PM

See what happens when you let Castro bat for himself in the ninth? Jerry = learning.

bmfc1 May 16 2009 05:10 PM

Edgy DC wrote: See what happens when you let Castro bat for himself in the ninth? Jerry = learning. Good point. That Wednesday afternoon game against the Marlin still stings.

Kong76 May 16 2009 05:14 PM

Well, they got the insurance runs. Let's wrap this baby up. Edgy is an Castro agenda driven poster nah nah nah nah nahnah. Jerry = learning, lol.

Edgy DC May 16 2009 05:15 PM

Kong76 wrote: Edgy is an Castro agenda driven poster nah nah nah nah nahnah. Why, I oughta.

Kong76 May 16 2009 05:15 PM

Enter J. J. Putz.

Nymr83 May 16 2009 05:17 PM

Kong76 wrote: Enter J. J. Putz. good thing we got those insurance runs.

Edgy DC May 16 2009 05:18 PM

="Kong76"]Enter J. J. Putz. That's what she said.

Kong76 May 16 2009 05:18 PM

N83: good thing we got those insurance runs <<< *chortle chortle*

Edgy DC May 16 2009 05:19 PM

Down to Freddy Lewis.

metsguyinmichigan May 16 2009 05:20 PM

They using Putz here in a save situation to give Rodriguez a rest, or to stop Putz from whining about pitching in the eighth?

bmfc1 May 16 2009 05:20 PM

Putz throwing hard. The adrenalin must be pumping.

Kong76 May 16 2009 05:21 PM

J. J. is DY-NO-MITE!! (I didn't just type that, did i?)

Edgy DC May 16 2009 05:21 PM

Rodriguez has pitched four days in a row, on two coasts, getting a win, two saves, and a two-inning ND in a tie game. Putz was sitting a 95 with his fastball. Nice to see.

Frayed Knot May 16 2009 05:21 PM

"The Mets have never swept a four-game series in SF" -- Kenny Albert, several times today 1) Four-game series are RARELY swept ... by anyone at anytime 2) Now cut that number in half (less really) to do it on the road 3) then figure that four-game series are rarely PLAYED ... particularly by inter-division opponents where first 2, and now 1 visits per year are the rule Networks are great at passing off meaningless trivia as if important data.

bmfc1 May 16 2009 05:22 PM

Howie: "J.J. [u:14fed6aec6]puts [/u:14fed6aec6]it in the books!"

Frayed Knot May 16 2009 05:22 PM

Oh yes and open book, insert game.

metsguyinmichigan May 16 2009 05:23 PM

Good win! Nice to see them get some runs for Johan.

metirish May 16 2009 05:25 PM

"Make no mistake about it".......

Kong76 May 16 2009 05:26 PM

Agreed on the early run support. It's nice to see, but more importantly it shuts up the media for five more days about how he probably wants to jump off bridges and take a few down with him in unbearable frustration.

Kong76 May 16 2009 05:27 PM

And I just have to say in parting, Karros ain't nearly as bad as some of you made out for what he's called on to do.

Ceetar May 16 2009 05:29 PM

anyone seen my broom?

metsguyinmichigan May 16 2009 05:31 PM

Haven't seen any of the "Mets lack an edge" columns lately, either.

Rockin' Doc May 16 2009 05:34 PM

ceetar - "anyone seen my broom?" I'm quite sure that if all goes well tomorrow the solemn old guy will show up to peddle his wares.

MFS62 May 16 2009 07:18 PM

bmfc1 wrote: Howie: "J.J. puts it in the books!" And he sounded like he had been saving that one up all year. Who needs John Sterling? That line was a classic. Later

Fman99 May 17 2009 05:55 AM

I love the 4 PM start, I get my afternoon nap in and don't miss 5-6 innings of the game like usual. Same deal tonight with the 8 PM primetime game.

soupcan May 17 2009 05:56 AM

How the hell are you able to pull off a mid afternoon nap on a weekend with two little kids in the house?

Fman99 May 17 2009 06:09 AM

soupcan wrote: How the hell are you able to pull off a mid afternoon nap on a weekend with two little kids in the house? Fgirl (22 mos.) beds down after lunch every day for 1.5-2 hours or so. I usually take her up to our bed and nap with her. The wife takes Fboy (age 4) downstairs and puts on shows that don't appeal to little kids, usually about decorating or something. He naps some of the time. The wife isn't much of a napper so she's OK with letting me take Fgirl upstairs for the long nap.

soupcan May 17 2009 06:17 AM

Lucky bastard.

Fman99 May 17 2009 08:58 AM

soupcan wrote: Lucky bastard. Don't I know it.