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IGT #40, Mets at Dodgers, 5/20/09

Gwreck May 20 2009 06:28 PM

Reyes SS Castillo 2B Beltran CF Wright 3B Murphy 1B Church RF Castro C Pagan LF Hernandez P Juan Pierre LF Rafael Furcal SS Orlando Hudson 2B Andre Ethier RF Russell Martin C James Loney 1B Xavier Paul CF Casey Blake 3B Jeff Weaver P

Gwreck May 20 2009 06:34 PM

I like this lineup a lot. Weaver's [url=http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/4900/f14_t4998.shtml]last start[/url] against the Mets.

Ceetar May 20 2009 06:42 PM

Gwreck wrote: I like this lineup a lot. I do too. No Sheffield. + Murphy + Castillo at 2 where he belongs. Although, doesn't conventional wisdom suggest you don't put the Lefties, Church and Murphy, back to back? Unless Manuel's just figuring he'll pinch hit Sheffield for Church. You cannot pinch hit for Murphy now (good thing) because he has to have all 9 innings at 1B in my opinion. No late inning replacements that don't know what they're doing.

Gwreck May 20 2009 06:48 PM

Tatis is the logical replacement for Murphy if it's close in the late innings, and he's also the logical pinch hitting replacement if a lefty-righty swap is needed.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 06:49 PM

Sheffield, .813 OPS Murphy .753 OPS So now we think we're doing better by playing guys who are worse hitters and fielders? I don't get the hate for Sheffield.

Ceetar May 20 2009 06:50 PM

Gwreck wrote: Tatis is the logical replacement for Murphy if it's close in the late innings, and he's also the logical pinch hitting replacement if a lefty-righty swap is needed. Except he sucks on defense. And he's slumping. The point is to get a viable 1B, and that means sticking with Murphy.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 06:52 PM

Tatis is a good defensive first baseman, probably the best on the team. Are you getting your information from a Ouija board?

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 06:54 PM

Yeah, Sheffield may be a dick but I can't see complaining about his addition to this team. He provides flexibility and a legit threat for the longball or walk we haven't had on the bench since Tony Clark. And for better or worse we need him right now. (I think Pagan is playing because Sheff has been feeling ill)

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 06:55 PM

Gwreck wrote: I like this lineup a lot. Weaver's [url=http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/4900/f14_t4998.shtml]last start[/url] against the Mets. Epic thread.

Ceetar May 20 2009 07:02 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yeah, Sheffield may be a dick but I can't see complaining about his addition to this team. He provides flexibility and a legit threat for the longball or walk we haven't had on the bench since Tony Clark. And for better or worse we need him right now. (I think Pagan is playing because Sheff has been feeling ill) Sheffield doesn't have any power threat. He's had nearly 100 AB and has 2. What's that equate to over a full season? 12? Even if you say he was rusty to begin with (he wasn't) still less than 20. I think some of it's still the perception that he can hit one. And that's where the extra OBP comes from. I think he's actually provided more inflexibility. Church ended up sitting for days at times, even when hot. Tatis didn't have anywhere to play, so Castillo was sat for him when he was hot. I feel like Murphy was coming around defensively until he was benched regularly for Sheff. Repetition is how you learn, and he wasn't getting that regularity. I hope I'm wrong, but Sheffield hasn't hit real well in years. He seems like a soft single, high OBP guy and I just don't think that provides a lot of value. The 'presence' argument is bunk too. Beltran and Wright provide plenty of that in this lineup.

G-Fafif May 20 2009 07:05 PM

There should probably be a ballpark adjustment for any Met's power numbers in 2009. Sheff's hit a couple that would have gone out of Shea. That said, "bunk" is a good word and one not used nearly enough these days, dadgum it.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 07:09 PM

Yeah, you don't want guys on base. High OPS, who needs that? Besides, 1/3 of the difference is in Sheffield's higher slugging percentage. Murphy has 40 more AB and the same number of doubles and triples, and one more HR than Sheffield. The way it works is, you look at the facts then make a conclusion. The facts are that Sheffield is a better hitter, today, than Murphy, whether he's 40 or not.

Gwreck May 20 2009 07:14 PM

I'm all for finding Murphy a spot in the lineup generally but I think we can hold off on declaring him a "viable" first baseman for the time being. As for Sheffield, he has the same number of XBHs as Murphy or Church in 40 or 50 fewer at-bats, so I'm unclear on what evidence there is to support the "soft-singles" hitter thing. "Presence" may be one of those terms like "clutch" that is a total myth but the OBP speaks for itself. He may not be fleet of foot out there but there also weren't very many glaring errors either.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 07:27 PM

Awrite, the lineup is in and none of us are going to change it from our couches. Let's inspire young Daniel with some Great Big Sea [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHgIJAQbH14[/url]

metirish May 20 2009 07:33 PM

Jeez I think Sheffield should start every night these days . That's pretty cool Swanie

Fman99 May 20 2009 07:55 PM

The great thing about baseball is that you get a fresh slate every game. Put yesterday in the rearview mirror and start over, 0-0. Brand new game.

metirish May 20 2009 07:57 PM

Fman99 wrote: The great thing about baseball is that you get a fresh slate every game. Put yesterday in the rearview mirror and start over, 0-0. Brand new game. Are you OK?

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 07:58 PM

Either he hasn't started drinking yet or he's been at it for hours.

Fman99 May 20 2009 08:05 PM

metirish wrote: ="Fman99"]The great thing about baseball is that you get a fresh slate every game. Put yesterday in the rearview mirror and start over, 0-0. Brand new game. Are you OK? I'm trying to sell myself the concept of eternal optimism in the face of repeated ineptitude and general suckliciousness. Plus I poured a vodka 7.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 08:07 PM

West coast IGTs need all the lubrication they can get.

Fman99 May 20 2009 08:10 PM

I have more confidence now knowing that the Weave cut off his awesome mullet. He looks mortal now.

metirish May 20 2009 08:12 PM

Weaver couldn't handle NY you know....had to move as far away as possible....

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 08:12 PM

Swan Swan H wrote: West coast IGTs need all the lubrication they can get. I bought some Pabst Blue Ribbon tonight. It is my recession beer.

metirish May 20 2009 08:14 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: ="Swan Swan H"]West coast IGTs need all the lubrication they can get. I bought some Pabst Blue Ribbon tonight. It is my recession beer. OMG , JCL is a Recessionista...

Gwreck May 20 2009 08:15 PM

Ronnie and Gary already mixing up Weaver's teams, first attributing him as the starter in the LoDuca/Kent-Drew game (that was Derek Lowe) and then the starter for the Cardinals in NLCS Game 5.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 08:16 PM

PBR has gone 360 on the wheel of cool.

Fman99 May 20 2009 08:18 PM

Swan Swan H wrote: PBR has gone 360 on the wheel of cool. So it sucks?

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 08:20 PM

Yes, but now old people think it sucks. C'mon Murph! here's a chance to jump out against this guy.

Fman99 May 20 2009 08:20 PM

Without Dave Duncan Jeff Weaver is, well, Jeff Weaver. Which is great news for Mets fans. He said hopefully.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 08:20 PM

metirish wrote: ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"] ="Swan Swan H"]West coast IGTs need all the lubrication they can get. I bought some Pabst Blue Ribbon tonight. It is my recession beer. OMG , JCL is a Recessionista... JCL is poor. I know about PBR and the coolness factor, but I think of the canned shit beers at $7 and below per 12-pack, it is probably the tastiest.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 08:22 PM

That call sucked. Now good luck to Muffy at 1st.

Gwreck May 20 2009 08:22 PM

Gary, talking about the Mets' first inning run differential: "44 for and 28 against, plus twelve, that's pretty good."

Fman99 May 20 2009 08:23 PM

Well crud. Nary a HR on this road trip, now seven games in? Gay.

Gwreck May 20 2009 08:26 PM

Fman99 wrote: Well crud. Nary a HR on this road trip, now seven games in? Gay. Flip side, we haven't given up very many -- one last night and only one in SF, I think.

Fman99 May 20 2009 08:26 PM

Wow, Murphy dancing around the base on the replay there. Not encouraging.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 08:32 PM

Muffy made a nice play, if by nice you mean routine.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 08:38 PM

Bam. Church hammered that one.

Fman99 May 20 2009 08:42 PM

Wow, I was actually anticipating those outs with the hope that Livan could plate a run for himself. How sad.

Fman99 May 20 2009 08:43 PM

Darnit.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 08:43 PM

Livan's butt was in the Dodger Dog stand. Not a textbook hack.

metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 08:52 PM

There you go! Nice job, Murph!

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 08:55 PM

Is that Jane Seymour sitting behind the plate?

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 08:55 PM

...

metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 08:57 PM

Oh shoot, Reyes is hurt.

metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 09:00 PM

Beltran says "Bite me, Steve Phillips!" Tie game.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 09:07 PM

They're skeered of Davey. They're right.

Fman99 May 20 2009 09:11 PM

Murph with the nice leather! I have encouragement.

metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 09:11 PM

Murf's making some nice plays at first. Maybe we've found his spot.

Fman99 May 20 2009 09:12 PM

Swan Swan H wrote: Is that Jane Seymour sitting behind the plate? No, just a couple of chicks not paying any mind at all to the game. Unless they start making out I say they are bringing NOTHING to tonight's broadcast.

Ashie62 May 20 2009 09:12 PM

Swan Swan H wrote: Is that Jane Seymour sitting behind the plate? Yes..with a red bag and a stole

Ashie62 May 20 2009 09:13 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Oh shoot, Reyes is hurt. Murphy now moved to SS as Mets sign Mr. Plum & Colonel Mustard

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 09:15 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 20 2009 09:16 PM

Ashie62 wrote: Murphy now moved to SS as Mets sign Mr. Plum & Colonel Mustard And this is the guy who agrees with me about Jane Seymour.

Fman99 May 20 2009 09:15 PM

Ashie62 wrote: ="metsguyinmichigan"]Oh shoot, Reyes is hurt. Murphy now moved to SS as Mets sign Mr. Plum & Colonel Mustard I think you mean Professor Plum...

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 09:17 PM

Castro continues to reach for outside pitches and tap then toward short.

Fman99 May 20 2009 09:18 PM

Oh our 7-8 hitters look just plain sad out there. Now with Martinez in at leadoff this is quite the spineless lineup. Beltran and Wright and turn out the light.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 09:22 PM

Another nice pick for Murphy, this one to his backhand. A revelation, he is.

Ashie62 May 20 2009 09:23 PM

Swan Swan H wrote: ="Ashie62"]Murphy now moved to SS as Mets sign Mr. Plum & Colonel Mustard And this is the guy who agrees with me about Jane Seymour. but can she hit?

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 09:25 PM

Fman99 wrote: Oh our 7-8 hitters look just plain sad out there. Now with Martinez in at leadoff this is quite the spineless lineup. Beltran and Wright and turn out the light. OTOH, the middle of the Dodger order has done shit this whole series, but we can't contain Juan Pierre and whoever they're hitting 7th.

Ashie62 May 20 2009 09:30 PM

JCL, I'm afraid it may be this way for a long time. Sign of desperation will be calling up of FMart.

Fman99 May 20 2009 09:34 PM

Weaver out of the game and ol Penis-Nose pinch hitting another pitcher up there. OK then.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 09:38 PM

Muffy!

Fman99 May 20 2009 09:38 PM

Look at little Mex out there at 1st! That was big.

metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 09:38 PM

Murphy is a first base BEAST!!!

GYC May 20 2009 09:39 PM

Daniel Murphy's defense FTW. Go figure.

Edgy DC May 20 2009 09:47 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 20 2009 09:51 PM

I figured all along. I'm just checking in now having taken a night off for a trip to see the Bucs/Nats (don't ask). How you like my firstbaseman?

Fman99 May 20 2009 09:49 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I figured all along. I'm just checking in now having taken a night off for a trip to see the Bucs/Nats (don't ask). How you like my firstbaseman? He's Mini-Mex™ out there.

metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 09:52 PM

Some props to Livan so far.

Fman99 May 20 2009 09:55 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Some props to Livan so far. Indeed. Fifth starter keeping his team in the game, nothing not to like.

metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 09:57 PM

They just said he's only thrown 60 pitches so far. Maybe he can go another couple to give the pen some rest, and be around for when the Mets pull ahead!

Fman99 May 20 2009 09:58 PM

Although I suppose Livan is our #4 what with Redding only having made one start so far this year. God damn, Ollie, where are thou? Not that you've had one start this good yet in 2009...

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 09:59 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Some props to Livan so far. All he does is throw strikes.

Edgy DC May 20 2009 09:59 PM

What's that --- 75 pitches? Let him hit this inning. Please. I was right about Murphy, Jerry, so trust me on this.

Fman99 May 20 2009 10:03 PM

Two out single for Livan and the pasty Ramon Martinez at the dish.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 10:06 PM

That Slomins commercial would be way better if, instead of leaving, the installer came walking out of the house at the end.

Fman99 May 20 2009 10:07 PM

Julie Alexandria says in her promo for whatever SNY show she does, "I'm exhausted just thinking about it." So am I, Julie.

Fman99 May 20 2009 10:10 PM

Wow. A camera view of Howie and Wayne. I've never seen Wayne on camera before. He looks like a fatter, blonder, fistier version of Howie Rose. They could be siblings actually. Creepy.

Fman99 May 20 2009 10:11 PM

Parnell getting lose in the pen. Livan up to 80 pitches with two down in the 7th. For God sakes, Jerry. Leave him in there.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 10:16 PM

Just got home-- where the hell's Jose X 4? How's Livan still in? And why don't I have a Presidente in my hand yet?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 10:18 PM

Cuban smoke!

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 10:19 PM

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Just got home-- where the hell's Jose X 4? How's Livan still in? And why don't I have a Presidente in my hand yet? 1) Hurt 2) He's the shit tonight 3) Maybe you could bum a PBR from J. L'bucket

Zvon May 20 2009 10:21 PM

Any details on the Reyes injury?

Frayed Knot May 20 2009 10:22 PM

Gotta do something this inning.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 10:22 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 20 2009 10:23 PM

Haven't heard about Reyes, but the sleep deprivation is causing sketchy short-term memory.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 10:23 PM

Swan Swan H wrote: ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Just got home-- where the hell's Jose X 4? How's Livan still in? And why don't I have a Presidente in my hand yet? 1) Hurt 2) He's the shit tonight 3) Maybe you could bum a PBR from J. L'bucket 1) Shit. Trauma or strain? 2) So I gather. Bully-- I do so love a good game of frisbee! 3) Only if it's ice-cold, or alongside a shot of Beam or something smokier. But yeah, I'm appropriately beered.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 10:25 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 20 2009 10:26 PM

Walk party!

Edgy DC May 20 2009 10:26 PM

Bunt not.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 10:26 PM

Time for Murph to prove he's more than just a good field-no hit guy.

Frayed Knot May 20 2009 10:27 PM

I woulda preferred a hit there, but I'll take it. Nice that Beltran tagged to take away the GiDP possibility. And here comes the LHP, let's see if Murphy is still around when the commercial's over.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 10:29 PM

Leach is in, time for some bloodletting.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 10:32 PM

Uh, dammit. Church being PH for again.

Zvon May 20 2009 10:32 PM

BB2nite says Jose aggravated that calf again.

GYC May 20 2009 10:32 PM

Murphy fails to give us the lead. Damn. On top of wanting the lead, I want to see Murphy succeed for his own sake. Church being PH for with Tatis and ex-Met Mota coming in to pitch against him?

Frayed Knot May 20 2009 10:33 PM

Tough day for Murphy w/the bat. Maybe he can't hit as a first-baseman.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 10:33 PM

I like this matchup. Freddy Teats hits the curve.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 10:33 PM

]I like this matchup. Freddy Teats hits the curve. It's the front-of-the-batter's-box thing.

GYC May 20 2009 10:36 PM

Aaaaaand Tatis grounds out, inning over. FUCK.

Ashie62 May 20 2009 10:37 PM

shitfuck fuckshit

GYC May 20 2009 10:39 PM

This is a lost lineup with really, really shitty depth. We need to trade for a Delgado stopgap replacement, a la Nick Johnson or something.

metsguyinmichigan May 20 2009 10:39 PM

DAMMIT. They keep pissing away chances. Every game, they've pissed away the chances.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 10:41 PM

I don't get this double switch. Putz is only going to pitch one inning no matter what. Now Reed is locked in as the leadoff hitter in the ninth. If you leave Putz in the 9 hole you can choose who starts off the inning, Reed or Sheffield., depending on who is on the mound.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 10:41 PM

GYC wrote: This is a lost lineup with really, really shitty depth. We need to trade for a Delgado stopgap replacement, a la Nick Johnson or something. Crazy thing was this team's strength was flexibility and depth as recently as a week ago. Cora and Reyes at the same time is a killer.

Edgy DC May 20 2009 10:42 PM

GYC wrote: This is a lost lineup with really, really shitty depth. We need to trade for a Delgado stopgap replacement, a la Nick Johnson or something. I don't think we do. With one out and runners on second and third, shouldn't Castillo break for the plate on anything on the ground? Worst that happens is they end up with first and third and two out instead of second and third. Best that happens is Loney or Martin doesn't make the play.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 10:44 PM

Swan Swan H wrote: I don't get this double switch. Putz is only going to pitch one inning no matter what. Now Reed is locked in as the leadoff hitter in the ninth. If you leave Putz in the 9 hole you can choose who starts off the inning, Reed or Sheffield., depending on who is on the mound. Omar's Razor: The simplest explanation for a phenomenon is that our team is managed by a guy who likes to tinker.

Edgy DC May 20 2009 10:45 PM

Just to get on board. I don' t support lifting Hernandez here.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 10:45 PM

I don't support JJ Putz and his 20-minute innings.

Ashie62 May 20 2009 10:48 PM

Dan Warthen sighting

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 10:49 PM

Let's keep tempting fate with Martin, shall we?

Ashie62 May 20 2009 10:50 PM

shitfuck fuckshit

GYC May 20 2009 10:50 PM

Putz is a fucking turd.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 10:51 PM

Putz sucz

Ashie62 May 20 2009 10:51 PM

see ya in hell Costanza

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 10:51 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 20 2009 10:53 PM

A hit with men in scoring position? Well, that's just plain unsporting. We wouldn't stoop to that sort of vulgar maneuver.

Ashie62 May 20 2009 10:52 PM

I'm picturing Gary Carter flipping through his rolodex

Edgy DC May 20 2009 10:53 PM

Lifting a cruising starter whose know for his durability after 93 pitches. That sucks also.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 10:54 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Lifting a cruising starter whose know for his durability after 93 pitches. That sucks also. But it's the eighth inning. Everybody knows Putz pitches the eighth.

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 10:55 PM

My mistake, Reed is up third in the ninth. My point still stands.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 10:56 PM

Castro Pagan Reed Martinez Castillo

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2009 10:57 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 20 2009 10:57 PM

="Swan Swan H"] ="Edgy DC"]Lifting a cruising starter whose know for his durability after 93 pitches. That sucks also. But it's the eighth inning. Everybody knows Putz pitches the eighth. This isn't him-- he's a closer. If only Jerry let him walk two men in the ninth inning and throw some hittable stuff up there... THEN you'd be thunderstruck, you whinging bitches.

Ashie62 May 20 2009 10:57 PM

Swan Swan H wrote: ="Edgy DC"]Lifting a cruising starter whose know for his durability after 93 pitches. That sucks also. But it's the eighth inning. Everybody knows Putz pitches the eighth. Maybe one day Parnell will pitch the 8th

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 10:59 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Castro Pagan Reed Martinez Castillo No Murderer's Row this group, but all they need is one run. LGM! YGB!

Ashie62 May 20 2009 11:04 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 20 2009 11:05 PM

Is there enough money in the kitty to send a Jack Ruby type to Manuel's press conference?

Swan Swan H May 20 2009 11:04 PM

Not to harp on the double switch, but Tatis came out and he's the closest thing to a shortstop after Martinez. Ramon Martinez, our last hope. Sheesh.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2009 11:07 PM

Hat the Mets

Ashie62 May 20 2009 11:07 PM

shitfuck 5/20 and I can't take much more of this crap Night all**

mario25 May 20 2009 11:09 PM

After watching this team lately I need to say this.... Murphy stinks, Castillo stinks, Church stinks, Tatis stinks, Reed stinks, THE METS STINK....there I feel better

G-Fafif May 20 2009 11:49 PM

My tentative nickname of "Bring 'Em Home Ramon" for Mr. Martinez will have to wait another day or ten for real world application.

Fman99 May 21 2009 06:09 AM

GYC wrote: Aaaaaand Tatis grounds out, inning over. FUCK. This was when I turned in. Still tied in the 8th but the Mets continues to piss their chances away with RISP. Looking forward to Eastern time zone baseball, even if I have the fear of once again seeing the Mets lambasted in Beantown.

metirish May 21 2009 07:14 AM

The Mets lose but these late night IGT's are winners , love reading over them the next morning....