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John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 21 2009 09:42 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 21 2009 09:48 AM

Rubin says Reyes will see doctors in NY today and that it's "fairly obvious" he'll go onto the disabled list.

Also obvious is the fact that Ramon Martinez has neither the glove nor the bat to be a SS in the majors and that there's little help in the minors.

So expect maybe a trade for someone else's AAA shortstop or a signing of a vet or something soon.

Edgy DC
May 21 2009 09:47 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 21 2009 09:47 AM

A Valentin or an Easley will need two weeks --- if everything goes perfect --- anyhow. And they're both more secondbasemen now. Jose walking out of camp when he didn't make the Mets hurt him and hurt the team.

It'll almost have to be a trade. And they should get two --- one to call on immediately and one to park in Buffalo. They've lost two guys so they need two guys. Maybe a signee can be the parkee.

metirish
May 21 2009 09:47 AM

I'm going to guess that Minaya will trot out the stock answer here


" We will use someone within the organization and I am not looking to make a trade , but of course I am always talking to other GM's"

sharpie
May 21 2009 10:02 AM

It'll have to be a backup infielder type as whoever it is goes back to the bench once Reyes comes back.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 21 2009 10:04 AM

="Edgy DC":2h8mt82i]A Valentin or an Easley will need two weeks --- if everything goes perfect --- anyhow. And they're both more secondbasemen now. Jose walking out of camp when he didn't make the Mets hurt him and hurt the team. It'll almost have to be a trade. And they should get two --- one to call on immediately and one to park in Buffalo. They've lost two guys so they need two guys. Maybe a signee can be the parkee.[/quote:2h8mt82i]

Signee for a parkee? Sure.

Trade for someone else's AAA guy? Seems a little pointless, no-- none will likely be a marked improvement over Ramon Martinez-- since it'll have to be a while. (Jose's going to need time to heal completely, even if it's just a moderate strain-- Reyes without burst is not Reyes.)

Other possible options?

DeRosa seems a fantastic fit here (SS, then all over the damn place once Jose gets back), but the Indians may not be feeling deal-y. The Rockies' Clint Barmes is serviceable defensively (if better at second), and may be somewhat of a spare part with Tulo and Ian Stewart in the fold. The Cards have a few spares (Tyler Greene, Brendan Ryan, a benched Khalil Greene) who can/do play SS. And old friend Jeff Keppinger-- languishing on the Astros' bench-- might be worth an offer float.

Edgy DC
May 21 2009 10:28 AM

The Indians are about to explode.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 21 2009 10:36 AM

]Seems a little pointless, no-- none will likely be a marked improvement over Ramon Martinez-


No. What I was saying is that someone else'a shitty fill-in AAA shortstop would be an improvement over Ramon, who appears to perfectly fine shitty short-term fill-in at second base.

Basically as long as were resigned to the fact that whoever we get can't hit anyway (Alex Cintron, DFAed by Washington???) we needn't exacerbate it by making the same guy fake it at the position he's asked to play.

More interesting speculation is who replaces Reyes on the roster? Could it be Fartinez Time?

Benjamin Grimm
May 21 2009 10:40 AM

More likely it will be somebody like Mike Clam, I think.

G-Fafif
May 21 2009 11:18 AM

Is that deal for Barry Larkin still on the table?

Nymr83
May 21 2009 11:36 AM

="G-Fafif":5dwf03mu]Is that deal for Barry Larkin still on the table?[/quote:5dwf03mu]

Sure, but first you'll have to track down the other components to the trade that Barry rejected, like Jason Tyner

TheOldMole
May 21 2009 11:53 AM

] Maybe a signee can be the parkee.


I believe I have never seen that sentence before.

Swan Swan H
May 21 2009 12:03 PM

I can't find it now, but I read recently that David Eckstein is in the outs in San Diego. This is exactly the kind of guy the GMs like to bring in at times like this, all character and hustle and such. Boy, I hope not.

I love the Keppinger idea LWFS floated earlier. He can't get a lot of time in Houston, and he'd be a(nother) good RH bat on the bench when Reyes returns.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 21 2009 12:16 PM

Bluh. The Mets and Keppinger hated each other, and they thought he wasn't strong enough defensively to play 2B.

Ruben Tejada is the Bingo shortstop and reportedly has good leather. He actually hit 300 during spring training with the big boys, though he's at 230-something at Bingo and has little power, but decent batting eye.

Swan Swan H
May 21 2009 12:19 PM

You're going by what the Mets thought?

smg58
May 21 2009 12:21 PM

Tell me two things:

How long will Reyes and Cora be out.

How much would these other shortstops cost.

No sense paying much for a temporary fix, assuming that's all we need. I certainly wouldn't object to Eckstein if he comes for close to nothing. Keppinger as well. The Indians are looking for major-league ready pitching, and I'd have to know I'd need DeRosa to play regularly the rest of the way before I'd consider parting with Niese or hurting our pen for him. But if a package that includes Niese could get us DeRosa and Cliff Lee, that's another story.

PS In case you were wondering, Will Flores currently has a .573 OPS in Savannah.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 21 2009 12:38 PM

="smg58":3pen28kq] But if a package that includes Niese could get us DeRosa and Cliff Lee, that's another story.[/quote:3pen28kq]

I like Niese. I'm not sure I-- or anyone in MLB-- likes Niese as much as you do, good (fashseeshus?) sir.

Also, regardless of whether Reyes is out for a week or a month and a half, DeRosa plays-- literally-- every position on the diamond except pitcher and catcher, and will be a useful semi-regular part. He's like SuperJoe with power.

(Although his age-28 comp proves that the B-R gods have a sense of humor.)

I don't know that any of the guys I mentioned comes for close-to-nothing. Paying for ML starters than are anything above "replacement-level" will generally cost at least a midlevel prospect (Niese, Havens) and/or middle-of-the-road major-leaguer (Stokes?) who fills a need.

G-Fafif
May 21 2009 12:54 PM

[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/05/mets-reyes-day-to-day.html:3i2j2o54]Rubin[/url:3i2j2o54]: Mets saying Reyes is day-to-day, that it's tendinitis, that he can't hurt it any worse, that everything's fine, return to your homes.

We still need at least a backup shortstop.

metirish
May 21 2009 01:07 PM

="G-Fafif":1lu5mzns][url=http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/05/mets-reyes-day-to-day.html:1lu5mzns]Rubin[/url:1lu5mzns]: Mets saying Reyes is day-to-day, that it's tendinitis, that he can't hurt it any worse, that everything's fine, return to your homes. We still need at least a backup shortstop.[/quote:1lu5mzns]


I need JCL to translate day to day tendinitis for me.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 21 2009 01:09 PM

tendonitis sucks. Only cure is rest!

soupcan
May 21 2009 01:19 PM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2bjm181f]tendonitis sucks. Only cure is rest![/quote:2bjm181f]

I was thinking the same thing.

Maybe a professional athlete in his 20s has a different experience in terms of tolerance and recovery but...

TheOldMole
May 21 2009 01:26 PM

I had a torn miniscus and couldn't walk, but guys play NFL football with it.

G-Fafif
May 21 2009 01:29 PM

I had tendinitis in one of my two typing hands when I was in my late twenties. I was day-to-day, but pecked through the pain. It took time and treatment. Same thing about a dozen years later.

soupcan
May 21 2009 02:02 PM

="G-Fafif":282jerju]I had tendinitis in one of my two typing hands when I was in my late twenties. I was day-to-day, but pecked through the pain. It took time and treatment. Same thing about a dozen years later.[/quote:282jerju]

That's called 'heart'.

G-Fafif
May 21 2009 02:18 PM

That's called not having a guaranteed contract. Or a deep bench.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 21 2009 02:54 PM

="G-Fafif":8ksamv8g]I had tendinitis in one of my two typing hands when I was in my late twenties. I was day-to-day, but pecked through the pain. It took time and treatment. Same thing about a dozen years later.[/quote:8ksamv8g]

Yes, but do you write with the same initial 'burst' you once had?

And I don't wanna return to my home-- I've already whipped up my makeshift torch and Mark DeRosa wig for the rioting.

G-Fafif
May 21 2009 03:07 PM

Sometimes I'm a little slow to the space bar.

TheOldMole
May 21 2009 03:49 PM

Is that the one that Whoopi Goldberg/Guinan operated?

G-Fafif
May 21 2009 03:50 PM

I couldn't get past the fuzzy rope.

Edgy DC
May 21 2009 05:22 PM

="TheOldMole"]
] Maybe a signee can be the parkee.
I believe I have never seen that sentence before.

I'm trying to get quoted in <i>The Writing Careers Examiner</I>.