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metirish
Jun 01 2009 02:08 PM
Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 01 2009 02:13 PM

I literally just pulled the Pirates lineup form the Pittsburgh Post Gazette right now


Pirates' lineup:

Morgan, LF
Sanchez, 2B
McLouth, CF
Adam LaRoche, 1B
Hinske, RF
Andy LaRoche, 3B
Jaramillo, C
Wilson, SS
Snell, P


Mets' lineup:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8


Hernandez, P

Centerfield
Jun 01 2009 02:10 PM

Wow. I wasn't aware that the injuries were so bad we were just running Livan out there by himself.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 02:11 PM

He'll have one more voice in the dugout (not eligible for DL return until Tuesday) urging him on as he does his Baseball Bugs-ing:

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/06/cora-returns-from-triple-a-buf.html

Gwreck
Jun 01 2009 02:14 PM

Castillo 2B
Martinez RF
Beltran CF
Sheffield LF
Wright 3B
Murphy 1B
Valdez SS
Schneider C
Hernandez P

metirish
Jun 01 2009 02:17 PM

Adam LaRoche - cleanup hitter...wow

7/22 - .231/.325/.770

Gwreck
Jun 01 2009 02:19 PM

He does have 7 homers, more than anyone on the Mets has.

metirish
Jun 01 2009 02:20 PM

Oh I know, some of his numbers aren't terrible , just I don't think cleanup hitter when I see his name.

metirish
Jun 01 2009 02:30 PM

Pirates fan forum where they actually tell you to go the the Penguins forum to talk NHL Finals

http://www.thebuccosforum.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?board=gdt

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 01 2009 02:49 PM

Think we can steal Snell's signs again? IIRC, he accused the Mets of that last time around.

OlerudOwned
Jun 01 2009 02:53 PM

metirish wrote:
Adam LaRoche - cleanup hitter...wow

7/22 - .231/.325/.770

He's always been a slow starter, to an incredible degree.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=larocad01&year=Career&t=b#month

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 03:02 PM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]Think we can steal Snell's signs again? IIRC, he accused the Mets of that last time around.


It's my head, Mets... IT'S MY HEEEEEEAD!

Swan Swan H
Jun 01 2009 05:37 PM

Mets jump out to a 2-0 lead on a double by Reed, a triple by Valdez and a single by Schneider. I don't believe it either.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 05:37 PM

Either Ian Snell is leaving pitches over the plate, Wilson Valdez is surprisingly strong, or Jeremy Reed is the world's finest sign-relayer.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 01 2009 05:42 PM

Beltran once again a late scratch.

Edgy DC
Jun 01 2009 05:52 PM

Missing our one, three, four, and six hitters.

But the Mets get the early lead thanks to run producers Brian Schneider and Ramon Castro.

PiggiesTomatoes
Jun 01 2009 05:53 PM

Let's go young daniel. Must capitalize off the lead-off walk.

PiggiesTomatoes
Jun 01 2009 05:54 PM

Fernando, you look marvelous. Nice spark plug.

TheOldMole
Jun 01 2009 05:57 PM

Sheffield limping?

Ashie62
Jun 01 2009 05:59 PM

Sheff...please don't be hurt...looks as if tweaked after rounding second

Nymr83
Jun 01 2009 05:59 PM

Valdez drives in two, we don't need Reyes back.

Swan Swan H
Jun 01 2009 06:00 PM

Wilson F. Valdez drives in two more with a hard-hit double down the RF line, following Reed's second double.

Ashie62
Jun 01 2009 06:00 PM

Jose who?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 06:01 PM

Wilson Valdez es un hombre muy malo.

Ashie62
Jun 01 2009 06:01 PM

Had 50th birthday yesterday..Got a very nice Ed Kranepool 69 World Champs signed ball.

Thanks to all who have played for the Mets and cheered them on***

Farmer Ted
Jun 01 2009 06:04 PM

Valdez. Professional hitter.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 06:10 PM

Beautful tailing fastball at the knees to get Nyjer Morgan, and a couple of 60-mph eephus-y curves flummox a red-hot Freddy Sanchez.

Livan couldn't make that ball dance more if he were a bitchy, coked-up Bob Fosse.

Swan Swan H
Jun 01 2009 06:11 PM

Heaven help me, I'm older than Ashie. My prostate just exploded.

Ashie62
Jun 01 2009 06:15 PM

Swan Swan H wrote:
Heaven help me, I'm older than Ashie. My prostate just exploded.


mine is Rusty...

Swan Swan H
Jun 01 2009 06:18 PM

Changing a subject I'm sorry I started, Fartinez with a hit and two walks. Nice to see the patience.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 06:24 PM

He gives a good effort most times, but Jeremy ain't no Endy.

TheOldMole
Jun 01 2009 06:26 PM

Go Murph! First baseman of the future.

Nymr83
Jun 01 2009 06:27 PM

TheOldMole wrote:
Go Murph! First baseman of the future.


he looks capable there so far, now can he hit enough to stay there?

OlerudOwned
Jun 01 2009 06:40 PM

Wilson Valdez plays defense in bullet time.

TheOldMole
Jun 01 2009 06:40 PM

Gotta love Wilson!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 06:43 PM

Wilson Valdez es un hombre muy, MUY malo.

Swan Swan H
Jun 01 2009 06:57 PM

Heckuva play by Murphy, getting LaRoche at second on a little bouncer. Never expected him to go there, and apparently LaRoche didn't either. Wonder if Schneider was yelling for him to go there?

Nymr83
Jun 01 2009 07:08 PM

Parnell throws it low but gets a half-swing for strike 3!

TheOldMole
Jun 01 2009 07:08 PM

Bobby Parnell -- ROY

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 07:08 PM

You're f*ckin' out, Ramon Vazquez.

I'm gonna need a bigger scotch tumbler.

Swan Swan H
Jun 01 2009 07:10 PM

Jerry managing old skool, bringing in one of his big relievers in the sixth inning to put out a fire.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 07:25 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 01 2009 07:26 PM

I'm not sure why, but Wayne Hagin has an almost-irrational fondness for Freddy Sanchez (lifetime .303 avg, .339 obp and less pop than, say, Cristian Guzman) as a hitter. He's referred to him on several occasions-- including a few times during the home Pirates series-- as "one of the better hitters in this league."

Swan Swan H
Jun 01 2009 07:25 PM

Feliciano breezes through the seventh on two swinging Ks and a rocket by Sanchez that nearly decapitates Valdez.

Swan Swan H
Jun 01 2009 07:27 PM

LWFS, almost on cue Gary promos tomorrow's game by referring to the 'reliable bat of Freddy Sanchez.' Slim pickins to promote on this Pirate club, I suppose.

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 07:29 PM

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
I'm not sure why, but Wayne Hagin has an almost-irrational fondness for Freddy Sanchez (lifetime .303 avg, .339 obp and less pop than, say, Cristian Guzman) as a hitter. He's referred to him on several occasions-- including a few times during the home Pirates series-- as "one of the better hitters in this league."


I know why. It's because Wayne Hagin stinks.

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 07:32 PM

metirish wrote:
Pirates fan forum where they actually tell you to go the the Penguins forum to talk NHL Finals

http://www.thebuccosforum.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?board=gdt


I can't even fathom what it would be like to be a hardcore Pirates fan.

PiggiesTomatoes
Jun 01 2009 07:33 PM

Me thinks you'd need a lot of this...

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 07:34 PM

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
You're f*ckin' out, Ramon Vazquez.

I'm gonna need a bigger scotch tumbler.


Tonight's toxin of choice is Beefeater & diet 7up.

Pirates going to washed-out starter Tom Gorzellany out of the pen. This guy stinks like Wayne Hagin.

PiggiesTomatoes
Jun 01 2009 07:35 PM

Cohen critical of guys who haven't been in the majors 10 days, not running out balls. You go, Gary!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 07:37 PM

Swan Swan H wrote:
LWFS, almost on cue Gary promos tomorrow's game by referring to the 'reliable bat of Freddy Sanchez.' Slim pickins to promote on this Pirate club, I suppose.


Fair enow, though I'd take McLouth or Morgan, or maybe even either LaRoche, before I'd pimp Sanchez. That .300 mark is still a sirensong to some old-school folk.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 07:42 PM

Ouch.

Swan Swan H
Jun 01 2009 07:44 PM

Sanchez might be the fourth best position player in the Bucs lineup, but that batting title he won, as soft as it was, will stick in a lot of people's minds. Marketeering 101. Unfortunately, one of those minds is a big league radio broadcaster.

metirish
Jun 01 2009 07:45 PM

Putz!

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 07:45 PM

Putz coming in, one out, runner on 3rd. I don't like it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 07:46 PM

Over/under on JJ Walkz this inning: 1.5

What'cha got?

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 07:46 PM

Enough with these fucking sprinkles, Verizon. Keep it moving.

Edgy DC
Jun 01 2009 07:47 PM

Why does it seem like Putz has had a 3.81 ERA for a month?

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 07:48 PM

Putz gives up a screamer. 5-4 Mets.

Uh, boo.

metirish
Jun 01 2009 07:48 PM

I want Heilman.......NOW

GYC
Jun 01 2009 07:50 PM

Oh what the fuck Mets

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 07:51 PM

metirish wrote:
I want Heilman.......NOW


Yeesh.

In other news, Putz gives up his second hit. He stinks and they keep trotting him out there.

Stokes? Takahashi?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 07:52 PM

And there's that.

GYC
Jun 01 2009 07:52 PM

This guy is terrible.

HahnSolo
Jun 01 2009 07:52 PM

Can we officially say that Putz is "not working out"?

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 07:52 PM

PLEASE STOP LETTING HIM PITCH. PLEASE.

Or, let him try another hitter. Sure. Fine.

metirish
Jun 01 2009 07:53 PM

Anyone got a rally song nearby?

GYC
Jun 01 2009 07:53 PM

AYFKM?!

Edgy DC
Jun 01 2009 07:53 PM

It's a funcition of using Parnell early and briefly as much as anything.

metsguyinmichigan
Jun 01 2009 07:53 PM

Goodness, get his ass out of there, quick!

PiggiesTomatoes
Jun 01 2009 07:53 PM

Putz, you dick!

HahnSolo
Jun 01 2009 07:53 PM

Not to offer a defense, but neither of the last two hits was really hit hard...just found a whole.

Gwreck
Jun 01 2009 07:54 PM

Every year, a fucking Pirates game...

PiggiesTomatoes
Jun 01 2009 07:54 PM

They're going to pitch to the red hot Freddie S.

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 07:56 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
It's a funcition of using Parnell early and briefly as much as anything.


It's this "Putz is our 8th inning guy" mentality. The problem is that he's only the 6th or 7th best reliever on this staff (however many guys there are in the pen).

Ashie62
Jun 01 2009 07:56 PM

Shitfuck...feels like a bad Nuke LaRouche Durham outing

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 07:57 PM

PiggiesTomatoes wrote:
They're going to pitch to the red hot Freddie S.


A certain radio personality told me he has the strength of ten men, the eyes of a lemur, and the heart of a guy with a really big heart.

Ashie62
Jun 01 2009 07:57 PM

Fman99 wrote:
="Edgy DC"]It's a funcition of using Parnell early and briefly as much as anything.


It's this "Putz is our 8th inning guy" mentality. The problem is that he's only the 6th or 7th best reliever on this staff (however many guys there are in the pen).


I have no problem with Parnell & Putz changing roles..Then again Putz looks D.L. ready

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 07:57 PM

Oh, they brought Stokes on this road trip?

Ashie62
Jun 01 2009 07:58 PM

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Oh, they brought Stokes on this road trip?


Yes...Jerry was told a little late

Ahh Fuckshit

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 07:59 PM

Jesus, now this is some bizarro shit.

OlerudOwned
Jun 01 2009 07:59 PM

Baseball is a funny game.

PiggiesTomatoes
Jun 01 2009 07:59 PM

What an f-ing nighmare.

Edgy DC
Jun 01 2009 08:00 PM

Nice job there, Stokes. I'll give you points for inducing that grounder anyhow.

GYC
Jun 01 2009 08:00 PM

This is too funny.

metsguyinmichigan
Jun 01 2009 08:00 PM

Maybe they should have used Parnell for more than one out.

holychicken
Jun 01 2009 08:01 PM

Now this is some good old fashion Mets BP action.

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 08:02 PM

Edgy DC
Jun 01 2009 08:04 PM

We get one cockpunch-of-a-fumble loss in Pittsburgh every year, right?

Ashie62
Jun 01 2009 08:04 PM

Matt Capps it off?

Nymr83
Jun 01 2009 08:05 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Maybe they should have used Parnell for more than one out.


you think?

is there anyone here who doesn't think Parnell should be infront of Putz on the depth chart right now? (and therefore pitching the 8th with a lead)

Gwreck
Jun 01 2009 08:05 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
We get one cockpunch-of-a-fumble loss in Pittsburgh every year, right?


Sometimes at Shea instead of Pittsburgh, but yes.

There was a thread about it where I documented them but I can't find it. Seems to me it happened during the offseason but it's gotta be in the archives somewhere.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 08:05 PM

I need a break. I'll be watching "Vacation" now.

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 08:06 PM

Not over yet. Capps has been shaky this year. Tatis leadoff single and the tying run is on deck.

Gwreck
Jun 01 2009 08:07 PM

Fuck you, Nyjer Morgan.

Nymr83
Jun 01 2009 08:07 PM

Nyjer Morgan ROBS Castillo of a basehit

Edgy DC
Jun 01 2009 08:07 PM

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
I need a break. I'll be watching "Vacation" now.

No. Learn to love the pain.

Mendoza Line
Jun 01 2009 08:08 PM

G-Fafif wrote:

Nyjer Morgan will do something insidious as well but look so sartorially splendid doing it that it will be hard to stay mad at him.


Yeah.

metsguyinmichigan
Jun 01 2009 08:10 PM

This shouldn't happen against a good team. It should never happen against the Pirates.

PiggiesTomatoes
Jun 01 2009 08:12 PM

"Bringing the bacon. Throwing some cheddar."

WTF, is he making a burger?

Nymr83
Jun 01 2009 08:13 PM

wtf was that little jump by Morgan? i wish he'd dropped that

Fman99
Jun 01 2009 08:13 PM

Well that sucked.

I think it would be best for everyone if someone threw JJ Putz into a well a la Baby Jessica, sans rescue.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 01 2009 08:14 PM

Well, that suckz.

Edgy DC
Jun 01 2009 08:14 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 01 2009 08:15 PM

Gwreck wrote:
Fuck you, Nyjer Morgan.

Probably developing too late to do much at the MLB level, but what a gorgeous player.

metirish
Jun 01 2009 08:15 PM

Horrible loss , no side session is going to fix Putz , the guy must be injured.

Swan Swan H
Jun 01 2009 08:16 PM

They say Putz' hands are in the wrong position. Unless they are around his throat, I agree.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 01 2009 08:19 PM

It's deja vu all over again. Don't they know that this is the September game plan?

metirish
Jun 01 2009 08:19 PM

Jeez , Ron and carlin trying to sell us on the idea that Manuel brought Parnell in for the 6th so" the young man wouldn't feel a sense of entitlement " and that "I'm the 8th inning guy"...also Manuel doing that to let his veteran know that " hey your still my guy".........buuuuuuuuuuuullshiiiiiiiiiit

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 08:28 PM

="Swan Swan H"]They say Putz' hands are in the wrong position. Unless they are around his throat, I agree.


Hands "in the wrong position." What does that mean?

metsguyinmichigan
Jun 01 2009 10:05 PM

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]
="Swan Swan H"]They say Putz' hands are in the wrong position. Unless they are around his throat, I agree.


Hands "in the wrong position." What does that mean?



maybe it's an homage to Pedro's favorite excuse from last year, that he was tipping his pitches.

Triple Dee
Jun 02 2009 03:38 AM

I am so glad that I missed this travesty of a ballgame.

Frayed Knot
Jun 02 2009 07:35 AM

- while most of the blame for this one will come down (and deservedly so) on Putz, do note that we also got no-hit from the 4th inning through Tatis's bloop single in the 9th.
Those backup lineups will only take you so far.

- and also, why, with 0 outs and a 2-run lead in the top of the 8th, are we wasting one of our 6 remaining outs by bunting Wright's lead-off walk over to 2nd? ... especially when (nice night for Valdez aside) you're bunting w/Reed (2 2Bs himself) into two really weak hitters in Valdez & Schneider.
I missed a big chunk of the middle of this game (settling in just in time for the bottom of the 8th) so I can't say I was pissed off about it at the time ... but I am now.

Nymr83
Jun 02 2009 07:43 AM

="Frayed Knot"]
- and also, why, with 0 outs and a 2-run lead in the top of the 8th, are we wasting one of our 6 remaining outs by bunting Wright's lead-off walk over to 2nd? ... especially when (nice night for Valdez aside) you're bunting w/Reed (2 2Bs himself) into two really weak hitters in Valdez & Schneider.


Bunting, always a bad decision. (need a picture of those Guiness idiots)

Edgy DC
Jun 02 2009 08:17 AM

I was stomping an insect infestation in my house. I tuned in just in time for the bunt, and it made me feel like a loser.

That and the insects.

Frayed Knot
Jun 02 2009 09:41 AM

One could argue, I suppose, that he did bring in the effective mid-relief guy (Parnell) at the time when 'the real save' might occur: 6th inn, 2-on/2-out, 2-run lead and he got out of it (IF single - K).

But if that truly was 'out of the box thinking' then it got steamrolled right afterward when he swapped Parnell out before the next inning (even though he wasn't PH'd for) in favor of Feliciano on account of 4 of the next 5 hitters being LH-swingers. How 'bout letting Parnell fail first - or even look like he might - and then make the switch when it's necessary? Instead, he made the 'by the book' move ahead of time which left him with less to fall back on when one of the later relievers does start to fall apart.

Nymr83
Jun 02 2009 09:48 AM

Parnell was certainly brought in at the right time (you could even argue that K-rod, as your "best reliever", belongs in the game there), but he should have been left in for the 8th.
The existence of "saves" as a stat that gets counted and emphasized has had a very negative effect on bullpen usage in that it has negated what you'd think would be common sense principles like "use your best guy in what is likely to be the toughest spot" and "don't remove pitchers who are pitching well"

Edgy DC
Jun 02 2009 09:49 AM

With a two-run lead, yeah, I'd at least let Bobby give up a baserunner.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 02 2009 09:53 AM

Other than the fact that Putz has been struggliong and was possibly overworked and underconfident, I didn't have a problem with how Jerry played it necessarily.

Parnell worked his ass off to get a very big K and you don't wanna blow him out either. Jerry even let Feliciano start the 8th. I would think had JJ begun the hit parade one batter earlier that question would have been asked as well.

This was all about Putz not getting done what just about any ML releiever ought to have been able to get done.

Swan Swan H
Jun 02 2009 09:58 AM

Nymr83 wrote:
Parnell was certainly brought in at the right time (you could even argue that K-rod, as your "best reliever", belongs in the game there), but he should have been left in for the 8th.


I agree in concept that Parnell could have gone longer, but he was in the sixth, not the seventh. The seventh set up really well for Feliciano with two lefties, and he got through it 1-2-3.

Edgy DC
Jun 02 2009 10:00 AM

Parnell, though, had thrown only 11 pitches. And Stokes was another option in the eighth, as was (ta-da!) Rodriguez.

I really just don't want Putz in there with a lead of less than four or a defecit of less than three. I want him on the bottom rung climbiing while alligators snap at his heels.

Fman99
Jun 02 2009 10:01 AM

Swan Swan H wrote:
="Nymr83"]Parnell was certainly brought in at the right time (you could even argue that K-rod, as your "best reliever", belongs in the game there), but he should have been left in for the 8th.


I agree in concept that Parnell could have gone longer, but he was in the sixth, not the seventh. The seventh set up really well for Feliciano with two lefties, and he got through it 1-2-3.


I'd love to see Stokes get his shot. He's also a righty that can throw gas, but he's got much better 2009 (and 2008 for that matter) numbers.

Leaves Takahashi as a 2nd lefty/swingman and Putz where he belongs -- out in a field somewhere, being fucked by ten goats, and wondering why a bunch of smart assed Mets forum dorks hate him so much. Tim Redding can keep him company.

metirish
Jun 02 2009 10:01 AM

' sorry guys , but I have trouble getting it up for the seventh or eight innings'

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 02 2009 10:05 AM

Swan Swan H wrote:
="Nymr83"]Parnell was certainly brought in at the right time (you could even argue that K-rod, as your "best reliever", belongs in the game there), but he should have been left in for the 8th.


I agree in concept that Parnell could have gone longer, but he was in the sixth, not the seventh. The seventh set up really well for Feliciano with two lefties, and he got through it 1-2-3.


I'm with you, Swanny... although roughly 1/3rd of my baseball brain is screaming, "Unless he's getting shelled, he should be getting a sore arm!"

Apart from the 8th inning bunt, and possibly using Stokes-- who may be the most efficient guy in that pen (check the pitches-per-inning stats)-- instead of worn-out Eighth Inning Guy, I've got no problem with Jerry's workings last night.