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="Zvon":35ahx24u]This is great news to me.
Myers was a major proponant of the Phils starting rotation.
I feel for ya Brett (actually, nah, I don't) but it's nice to see the champs hurtin for a change.
They will be shopping for a starter.
Omar, whoever they end up focused on, go and snatch em up.
It's not like we couldn't use another starter too.
Redding don't seem to be makin the grade.[/quote:35ahx24u]
I'd be less concerned if he were fighting through it and not out for the season... they'd be less likely to make a move.
The problem is, with Carrasco, Donald, Marson, et. al., they've got the prospects and the desperation to swing a midseason deal for Bedard or Penny... or bigger game.
The last time a rival got cornered and desperate, Derek Lowe chose the big pile and went south, and we got Wild Thing long-term.
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Triple Dee
May 30 2009 04:35 PM
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="Zvon":2w4og4y1]This is great news to me.
Myers was a major proponant of the Phils starting rotation..[/quote:2w4og4y1]
It's also potentially great news for Brett's wife.
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Triple Dee
May 30 2009 04:52 PM
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I'd be less concerned if he were fighting through it and not out for the season... they'd be less likely to make a move.
The problem is, with Carrasco, Donald, Marson, et. al., they've got the prospects and the desperation to swing a midseason deal for Bedard or Penny... or bigger game.[/quote:1byuvugc]
I don't think they have enough to deal for anything beyond a Bedard or Penny. Carrasco's stock has dropped this season -- he's 0-6 with an 5.40ERA although till 21. However, it probably means they need to include Happ or Drabek in a deal.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 30 2009 09:58 PM
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="Triple Dee":3783kigu]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3783kigu]
I'd be less concerned if he were fighting through it and not out for the season... they'd be less likely to make a move.
The problem is, with Carrasco, Donald, Marson, et. al., they've got the prospects and the desperation to swing a midseason deal for Bedard or Penny... or bigger game.[/quote:3783kigu]
I don't think they have enough to deal for anything beyond a Bedard or Penny. Carrasco's stock has dropped this season -- he's 0-6 with an 5.40ERA although till 21. However, it probably means they need to include Happ or Drabek in a deal.[/quote:3783kigu]
As Carrasco's backslid a bit, Tony Bastardo has kicked major rear, upping his K-rate (51 in 47 innings) and improving his control, especially with his changeup. He shut down Buffalo in last week's "rivalry" day game. He's even drawn comparisons among the hyperbolic/delusional to a certain Mets pitcher who was born not of man. If he's part of the deal, he and a couple of the others could bring something beyond Bedard.
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Triple Dee
May 31 2009 12:27 AM
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Didn't they move Bastardo to the bullpen? And now he's starting again?
In any case, they may need a replacement for both Myers and Moyer, and quite possibly a closer if Lidge doesn't get it together. . This may limit their willingness to give up too much talent for one pitcher.
But we shall see. I wouldn't be surprised if they go for Peavy, provided the Pads are willing to trade him to another NL team.
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Zvon
May 31 2009 11:26 AM
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Whatever happened to Kyle Kendrick?
I mean, I know he's been down on their farm....
Why did he never return to the team?
Didn't he win 10 games a few years ago as a replacement starter?
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 31 2009 03:37 PM
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="Triple Dee":11kiyin8]Didn't they move Bastardo to the bullpen? And now he's starting again?
In any case, they may need a replacement for both Myers and Moyer, and quite possibly a closer if Lidge doesn't get it together. . This may limit their willingness to give up too much talent for one pitcher.
But we shall see. I wouldn't be surprised if they go for Peavy, provided the Pads are willing to trade him to another NL team.[/quote:11kiyin8]
Naw. Bastardo's been killing it in the minors.
And Z: Kendrick's been kind of a mess, struggling with command for the last two years; the general mindset among Phils fans seems to be that the 10 wins were a rare, once-in-a-lifetime gift.
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Triple Dee
Jun 01 2009 04:30 AM
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Naw. Bastardo's been killing it in the minors..[/quote:3n5rq804]
Gee, you've really gotta love that WHIP.
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Jun 01 2009 06:39 AM
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June 1, 2009
Hips Are Bringing More Athletes to Their Knees
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
The quest to build ever more proficient athletes keeps hitting unexpected snags, and perhaps nowhere is this more vivid than in Major League Baseball. Several top players have been hampered by a hip ailment that was unheard of in the sport a decade ago.
Knee injuries to countless recreational and professional athletes in recent years made anterior cruciate ligament a household phrase and compelled trainers to emphasize building leg strength. Sports medicine experts now say that approach, while mitigating knee injuries, may be making hips vulnerable.
“No matter what we do, as complex as we try and make workouts and training methods, we lose sight of other things,” said Mackie Shilstone, a trainer based in New Orleans, who works with baseball, football and hockey players who are rehabilitating injuries. “We tend to concentrate on what is directly in front of us.
“In all my years as a trainer, I have not seen anything like the increase in hip injuries that I have seen over the past two years.”
No studies have been published to confirm this phenomenon. But many trainers and orthopedists say the anecdotal evidence is jarring, and medical staffs for Major League Baseball teams and franchises in other sports are scrambling to understand why athletes’ hips suddenly seem so fragile.
Experts said other factors could be at work in addition to the overemphasis on leg strength. Advances in magnetic imaging have enabled doctors to see inside the hip and identify certain ailments, and the increasing number of children playing sports at younger ages has led to more instances of improper bone development.
Several of baseball’s biggest stars — including Alex Rodriguez of the Yankees, Chase Utley of the Philadelphia Phillies and Carlos Delgado of the Mets — have been forced to the sideline after having surgery to repair a torn labrum, the cartilage that runs along the rim of the hip socket. Rodriguez recently returned after missing two months, and Delgado has said he may not return this season. On Thursday, one of Utley’s teammates, pitcher Brett Myers, was found to have a damaged labrum in his hip. He is expected to have surgery this week.
Not all doctors are convinced that training is the culprit.
“It’s not like workouts have changed all of a sudden; it doesn’t explain it,” said Christopher Powers, an associate professor of biokinesiology at the University of Southern California. “People and doctors are just more aware of it diagnostically. We’ve always had hip problems; now we are just finding it better.”
The number of players on the disabled list because of hip and groin-muscle injuries rose to 34 in 2008 from 20 in 2007. Through the first quarter of this season, at least 13 players have gone on the disabled list with hip injuries.
“Delgado and A-Rod asked me about it,” said Utley, who had hip surgery last November after the Phillies won the World Series. “They both wanted to know what I did to keep playing.
“Before, guys never had hip surgeries and never let them work on their hips. But this was different.”
No sports medicine experts pointed to performance-enhancing drugs in explaining the rise in hip injuries. But dozens of major league baseball players, including Rodriguez, have been linked to performance-enhancing drugs in recent years, raising suspicions every time a new injury trend appears.
“It’s interesting to see what injuries increase as we come out of the steroid era,” said Stan Conte, the head trainer for the Los Angeles Dodgers.
The sudden prominence of hip injuries comes a year after an unusual number of baseball players sustained strained oblique muscles, which run from the ribs to the abdomen.
The apparent rash of hip injuries extends beyond baseball, doctors and trainers said. Athletes of all ages and skill levels and in varying sports are having hip problems at higher rates and being found to have labral tears, they said. Soccer and hockey players in particular have followed the conventional training wisdom in recent years and bolstered their knees. Now some of them, including Islanders goalie Rick DiPietro and midfielder Freddie Ljungberg of Major League Soccer’s Seattle Sounders, who have both had labrum surgery, are having hip trouble.
“In soccer, they train harder than they used to train 10 to 15 to 20 years ago, when soccer had had a lot of A.C.L. tears,” said Dr. Andreas H. Gomoll, an associate professor of orthopedic surgery at Harvard Medical School and a surgeon at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.
“They started worrying much more about knees; they now do special training to protect the knee. And one belief is that this is why we have more of these injuries because the strength is putting more pressure on the hips.”
Dr. Bryan T. Kelly, a surgeon at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan, performed Utley’s operation and is scheduled to operate on Myers. He said he did not believe it was a coincidence that “I get 40 hockey players in a six-week period at the end of the season all coming into my office with the same-looking bone structure in their hips, all saying that they have been skating since they were 3 years old.”
Kelly added, “I believe we are seeing some consequences from having our kids over the past few decades playing sports more at younger ages.”
As magnetic imaging has become more sophisticated, doctors have gained the ability to see inside the hip and identify labral tears.
“We are doing a much better job at imaging the injuries, and we are also seeing athletes with bigger bodies that are working harder on strength and conditioning, and the bigger, stronger muscles are allowing athletes to torque faster and more pressure is being put on the hip,” said Dr. Jordan Metzl, a sports medicine specialist at the Hospital for Special Surgery.
Problems with labral tears occur when the head of the femur does not fit correctly in the hip socket. If it is not a good fit, the labrum is squeezed between the ball and the socket when the hip is flexed. Over time, the labrum can become irritated and tear.
The problem with an adolescent, doctors said, is that the head of the femur is still growing. Stress on the hip can cause the bone to become misshapen. As the athlete continues to play sports into adulthood, the improperly shaped bone rubs against the labrum.
“I believe the situation with the hips is similar to Little League baseball, where there is a high awareness to elbow injuries from pitching too much because the joints are still developing,” Kelly said. “But with the hips, nothing is said. There is nothing done to try and prevent damage from being done.” |
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Triple Dee
Jun 01 2009 07:06 AM
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I blame salsa dancing.
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Edgy DC
Jun 01 2009 07:06 AM
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A Mackie Shilstone sighting!
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Fman99
Jun 01 2009 07:43 AM
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="Triple Dee":1in1g7qv]="Zvon":1in1g7qv]This is great news to me.
Myers was a major proponant of the Phils starting rotation..[/quote:1in1g7qv]
It's also potentially great news for Brett's wife.[/quote:1in1g7qv]
She's probably taunting him from the top of the stairs right now.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 01 2009 10:52 AM
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="Triple Dee":80t0516k]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":80t0516k]
Naw. Bastardo's been killing it in the minors..[/quote:80t0516k]
Gee, you've really gotta love that WHIP.[/quote:80t0516k]
F'real. And the K/9 rate keeps climbing, and the walk rate keeps dropping... he's actually starting on Tuesday.
That said, I think the Phils would move him in the right offer-- the WS seems to have only underscored for them the fact that THIS is their window... they're pretty obviously in fishing mode, and-- if the anonymous leakage in a couple of different spots (Stark and a few of the ESPN guys, e.g.) is any indication, they're willing to move the young guys this time around.
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