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="bmfc1":cgtu7p68]That means that Johan faces the Phillies on Tuesday (and it also means that he goes a week between starts). I have tickets for Sunday so I'm pissed.?[/quote:cgtu7p68]
Sorry that you miss Johan. (I'll miss him too as a result of this -- would have seen him either against Philly or the MFYs).
For the Mets, however, this is good. He'll get extra rest, and he'll pitch against both the Phillies and the MFYs, two teams we could really use him against.
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Frayed Knot
Jun 03 2009 05:25 PM
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Bringing back Glavine was sort of a fail-safe for the Braves this year.
But seeing as how their question-mark guys are working out decently (Jurrgens - Kamakami), and their main minor league guy (Tommy Hansen) is thriving and probably due for a call-up soon, there was no pressing need to try to work Glavine in. What that team really needs is hitting outfielders.
Suxx for him that he's not going to go out on his own terms but thems the breaks. And, no, I don't expect Omar to give him a call. I'd sooner bring back Pedro at this point.
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G-Fafif
Jun 03 2009 05:45 PM
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="Frayed Knot":2lxsz438]What that team really needs is hitting outfielders.[/quote:2lxsz438]
And they got one, according to [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/06/pirates-writers-scurrying.html:2lxsz438]Adam Rubin[/url:2lxsz438], in the person of Nate McLouth.
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MFS62
Jun 03 2009 06:00 PM
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="G-Fafif":3byrmusv]="Frayed Knot":3byrmusv]What that team really needs is hitting outfielders.[/quote:3byrmusv]
And they got one, according to [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/06/pirates-writers-scurrying.html:3byrmusv]Adam Rubin[/url:3byrmusv], in the person of Nate McLouth.[/quote:3byrmusv]
Insert Joe Shultz epithet here.
Later
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 03 2009 06:09 PM
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Balls.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 03 2009 06:17 PM
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Geez. I shutter to think about the Braves with McLouth.
PS -- Got tixx Tuesday and going with some Philly fans. Heh.
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Kong76
Jun 03 2009 06:20 PM
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MFS: Insert Joe Shultz epithet here <<<
I don't get it, google no help.
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MFS62
Jun 03 2009 06:23 PM
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| ="Kong76"]MFS: Insert Joe Shultz epithet here <<<
I don't get it, google no help. |
In Ball Four, Bouton's manager in Seattle was Joe Schultz.
Joe's favorite epithet, quoted many times in the book, was "shitfuck".
Later
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Kong76
Jun 03 2009 06:34 PM
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Lol, go google "Joe S(c)hultz epithet."
I need rest.
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G-Fafif
Jun 03 2009 06:37 PM
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How's your ol' tomato?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 03 2009 06:38 PM
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Lets' throw some El Strikos out there.
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MFS62
Jun 03 2009 06:49 PM
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"Guys, this has been a long road trip. There are a lot of wives and girl friends waiting for you. Try to look horny."
Later
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Willets Point
Jun 03 2009 07:17 PM
Re: Pitching News
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="bmfc1":1i826oj4]Second, the Braves released Glavine. In one of the stranger comments I've read of late, Cerrone writes: "… i shutter to say this, but, the Mets need a starting pitcher, and he always had a strong relationship with Omar Minaya and Jeff Wilpon…"[/quote:1i826oj4]
::twitch:: ::twitch::
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Fman99
Jun 03 2009 07:37 PM
Re: Pitching News
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="Willets Point":aq2lajma]="bmfc1":aq2lajma]Second, the Braves released Glavine. In one of the stranger comments I've read of late, Cerrone writes: "… i shutter to say this, but, the Mets need a starting pitcher, and he always had a strong relationship with Omar Minaya and Jeff Wilpon…"[/quote:aq2lajma]
::twitch:: ::twitch::[/quote:aq2lajma]
Let's see if Armando Benitez wants to join him on the pitching staff.
There's a reason these guys are ex-Mets.
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Frayed Knot
Jun 03 2009 07:42 PM
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="G-Fafif":pjxua9lt]="Frayed Knot":pjxua9lt]What that team really needs is hitting outfielders.[/quote:pjxua9lt]
And they got one, according to [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/06/pirates-writers-scurrying.html:pjxua9lt]Adam Rubin[/url:pjxua9lt], in the person of Nate McLouth.[/quote:pjxua9lt]
Holy Shite ... I didn't mean THAT quickly!!
It kind of helps us out for tomorrow but that's a major pickup for los Bravos.
I can't believe Pitt dealt him. He just turned 27 and, unlike last year with Nady & Bay, is still a couple years away from FA-gency.
I hope they got themselves a good return.
If nothing else it'll piss off Francesa who declared McLouth to be "the perfect Yanqui" on numerous occasions last year. IOW, he's a young, under control All-Star who plays the one place the MFYs don't have a star so I suppose he figured it was inevitable that he be picking up his mail in the Bronx before long.
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Frayed Knot
Jun 03 2009 08:20 PM
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ESPN:
Atlanta gave up outfielder Gorkys Hernandez, one of their top prospects, along with pitchers Charlie Morton and Jeff Locke.
Maybe those guys are good, but they have better prospects in both the OF & pitching.
[to replace Glavine], the Braves called up highly touted prospect Tommy Hanson, who has dominated at Triple-A Gwinnett and will make his first major league appearance Saturday against the Milwaukee Brewers.
The minor league blogosphere has been saying that Hanson has been overdue for weeks now.
Another plus: McLouth is under contract through at least 2011, having signed a three-year, $15.75 contract in spring training. The deal includes a team option for a fourth year at $10.65 million, with a $1.25 million buyout.
So if Pittsburgh can't afford him who can they afford?
By trading McLouth, Pittsburgh cleared a spot for one of its best prospects, 2005 first-round pick Andrew McCutchen. The 22-year-old outfielder was called up from Triple-A Indianapolis, where he was hitting .303 with four homers, 20 RBIs and 10 stolen bases.
So why not him AND McLouth?
"When we signed Nate to a long-term contract, we did so with the intent on having him remain part of our core of homegrown talent. said GM Huntington -- But the quality and quantity of talent we are receiving in this trade moves us closer to our goal of building that sustainable championship-caliber club."
I hope they're right. If so it'll be the first time in a long while.
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metsguyinmichigan
Jun 03 2009 08:35 PM
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If we signed Glavine, I'd be devastated, not disappointed.
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Edgy DC
Jun 03 2009 09:40 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 04 2009 05:33 AM
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I think we're buying into Cerrone's foolery by even reacting to his speculation.
As for McLouth, I don't think it was a lack of money so much as the right trade at the right time. Somewhere on your block is a dork getting his ass kicked in fantasy baseball but certain that his day will come because he has Gorkys Hernandez down on his virtual farm.
Morton can step into a rotation now (the Braves had him filling a spot) and has done well at AAA.
I can't telll you anything to get excited about Locke, but he was a second rounder. Obviously I want this trade to break for the Buccos, but I think it has a good chance of doing that.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 04 2009 04:55 AM
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="Frayed Knot":37edpb1t]="G-Fafif":37edpb1t]="Frayed Knot":37edpb1t]What that team really needs is hitting outfielders.[/quote:37edpb1t]
And they got one, according to [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/06/pirates-writers-scurrying.html:37edpb1t]Adam Rubin[/url:37edpb1t], in the person of Nate McLouth.[/quote:37edpb1t]
Holy Shite ... I didn't mean THAT quickly!!
It kind of helps us out for tomorrow but that's a major pickup for los Bravos.
I can't believe Pitt dealt him. He just turned 27 and, unlike last year with Nady & Bay, is still a couple years away from FA-gency.
I hope they got themselves a good return.
If nothing else it'll piss off Francesa who declared McLouth to be "the perfect Yanqui" on numerous occasions last year. IOW, he's a young, under control All-Star who plays the one place the MFYs don't have a star so I suppose he figured it was inevitable that he be picking up his mail in the Bronx before long.[/quote:37edpb1t]
That's the thing with McLouth -- he's a bit overrated. He's good, but not really great.
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Rotblatt
Jun 04 2009 06:49 AM
Re: Pitching News
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="Willets Point":1znihsau]="bmfc1":1znihsau]Second, the Braves released Glavine. In one of the stranger comments I've read of late, Cerrone writes: "… i shutter to say this, but, the Mets need a starting pitcher, and he always had a strong relationship with Omar Minaya and Jeff Wilpon…"[/quote:1znihsau]
::twitch:: ::twitch::[/quote:1znihsau]
Indeed. If we're going to bring on aged superstars, I'd rather sign Petey.
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Benjamin Grimm
Jun 04 2009 06:58 AM
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Yes, but I think the Mets should sign Glavine just to aggravate everyone.
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HahnSolo
Jun 04 2009 07:30 AM
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Has anyone seen, or commented on this, from Adam Rubin:
| ]After struggles in 8th inning continue, Mets drop J.J. Putz 7th inning
BY Adam Rubin
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Thursday, June 4th 2009, 4:00 AM
PITTSBURGH - Jerry Manuel met with J.J. Putz Wednesday and informed the ex-Mariners closer that he was being moved from an eighth-inning to seventh-inning role until he can rediscover his form.
Putz was the primary culprit in a five-run eighth inning Monday night that resulted in the Mets' second loss in 22 games in which they led with sixouts to go. He will be replaced by rookie Bobby Parnell as the primary set-up man. Manuel described the move as temporary. "I watched some film today, and we think we've found a pretty big, glaring mechanical flaw that's kind of slowly progressed, maybe even through last year," Putz said. "I think we're going in the right direction."
As for a lesser role, Putz added: "When you get into those pressure-packed situations, you really don't have a chance to work on anything. All you're really trying to do is figure a way to get somebody out. Maybe, by taking a step back, you're allowed to kind of pitch with a clear head and really think about what you're doing as opposed to just trying to think about getting a guy out."
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I like it in concept. I just dislike how they continue to try to define undefinable roles like "7th inning guy" or "8th inning guy".
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Benjamin Grimm
Jun 04 2009 07:39 AM
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I agree. I approve of the demotion but not of the distinction.
Hopefully more Mets starters will be completing the 7th inning.
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Frayed Knot
Jun 04 2009 07:43 AM
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| ]That's the thing with McLouth -- he's a bit overrated. He's good, but not really great. |
But legitimately good especially when you factor in 27 y/o and under team control for a while.
Yeah, he's not really a superstar and ideally shouldn't be playing CF (despite his gold glove last year) - but compared to what Atlanta's been trotting out in CF this season: .198/.298/.271 with 2 HRs & 8 RBIs!! it's a huge upgrade (ditto when compared to Melky/Gardener). I mean, jeez, Atlanta pitchers have knocked in 6 in barely half the ABs.
Braves, meanwhile, have re-demoted Jordan Schaefer and his 2 Ks/game bat.
| ]As for McLouth, I don't think it was a lack of money so much as the right trade at the right time ... I want this trade to break for the Buccos, but I think it has a good chance of doing that. |
I dunno. I'd opt for fair chance at best.
Morton's already 25 and crashed in his not-so-brief trial last season. Doesn't mean he's destined to failure but I don't think he's a real high-upside guy.
Hernandez is supposedly your classic speedy/slappy CF-type w/lots of speed and a real good glove but almost no power. Sounds like a guy who'll live or die on his OBP. He also sounds like a lesser version of their own prospect Andrew McCutcheon who the trade supposedly cleared room for.
Locke is in Low-A ball.
| ]I think the Mets should sign Glavine just to aggravate everyone. |
That's the front office's main goal right?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 04 2009 07:55 AM
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I predict PNC will soon be known as Gorkys Park.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 04 2009 08:39 AM
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="Frayed Knot"]| ]That's the thing with McLouth -- he's a bit overrated. He's good, but not really great. |
But legitimately good especially when you factor in 27 y/o and under team control for a while.
Yeah, he's not really a superstar and ideally shouldn't be playing CF (despite his gold glove last year) - but compared to what Atlanta's been trotting out in CF this season: .198/.298/.271 with 2 HRs & 8 RBIs!! it's a huge upgrade (ditto when compared to Melky/Gardener). I mean, jeez, Atlanta pitchers have knocked in 6 in barely half the ABs.
Braves, meanwhile, have re-demoted Jordan Schaefer and his 2 Ks/game bat. |
He's got significant power (ISOs of .210-.220 the last two years) that's just starting to develop. He's got decent plate awareness and patience (a rising walk rate that's just a shade above 11 percent). He plays a credible-- if not "Gold Glove"-quality-- outfield. And he runs a bit, with good baserunning instincts (20 steals each of the past two years, with a lifetime 93 percent rate). In essence, he'll be a poor man's-- maybe "homeless man's" would be more accurate-- Beltran for them.
I'm with FK on the odds of this working out for Pittsburgh. But hell, if you're going nowhere, might as well pan for gold, right?
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Edgy DC
Jun 04 2009 08:41 AM
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Well, in cases like Aramis Ramirez, sometimes the Pirates haven't known that the pan itself was golden, but I'm still hopeful.
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metirish
Jun 04 2009 08:50 AM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3c1ay6lb]I predict PNC will soon be known as Gorkys Park.[/quote:3c1ay6lb]
Love it....his at bat music should be the whistling from "Winds of Change"
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G-Fafif
Jun 04 2009 12:48 PM
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="metirish":2oy3itk5]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2oy3itk5]I predict PNC will soon be known as Gorkys Park.[/quote:2oy3itk5]
Love it....his at bat music should be the whistling from "Winds of Change"[/quote:2oy3itk5]
But will he rock Pittsburgh like a hurricane?
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Frayed Knot
Jun 04 2009 01:22 PM
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| ]I'm with FK on the odds of this working out for Pittsburgh. But hell, if you're going nowhere, might as well pan for gold, right? |
That's essentially what they've been doing for the last year or so; going for decent up-side, though hardly guaranteed prospects
- Jose Tabata as the main bait for Nady
- Andy LaRoche for Bay
- and now Gorkys Hernandez for McLouth
plus some spare pitching parts thrown in on the side.
If they all live up to their potential things could work out real nice for them.
If not ...
One thing they will have if/when Gorkys comes up is a nice relay team in their outfield: McCutchon, Morgan & Hernandez
They might have a HR total for the season that's in single digits but they'll probably save a bunch of runs.
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