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IGT--Phillies @ Mets, 06/11/09

bmfc1 Jun 11 2009 01:33 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 11 2009 03:59 PM

METS: Luis Castillo 2B Alex Cora SS Carlos Beltran CF Gary Sheffield LF David Wright 3B Fernando Tatis 1B Fernando Martinez RF Omir Santos C Tim Redding RHP (0-2, 6.97) Phillies: J. Rollins ss S. Victorino cf C. Utley 2b R. Howard 1b R. Ibanez lf J. Werth rf P. Feliz 3b C. Coste c J. Moyer p

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2009 01:36 PM

So the much-discussed start for Murphy is a no-go.

Hawkeye57 Jun 11 2009 01:43 PM

Surprised Church is not playing. Maybe they play Gary because he get's to DH the next three games.

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 01:46 PM

They play Gary because he's going to get about 14 total bases tonight.

bmfc1 Jun 11 2009 01:48 PM

I agree w/you Hawkeye. As annoyed as I was with Church's AB in the 10th--one out, takes on 3 and 0 when he can win it with a homer, then K's on ball 4--I'd rather have him in the lineup than a rookie (especially when both are lefties).

bmfc1 Jun 11 2009 01:49 PM

E--bmfc1

Hawkeye57 Jun 11 2009 02:39 PM

bmfc1 wrote: I agree w/you Hawkeye. As annoyed as I was with Church's AB in the 10th--one out, takes on 3 and 0 when he can win it with a homer, then K's on ball 4--I'd rather have him in the lineup than a rookie (especially when both are lefties). And in a pivotal rubber game to boot. I would think they give the vet Church the nod here because of the experience. Expect Martinez to get some jitters, this being a very important divisional game. I also thought it was Wright 3rd, Beltran 4th and Sheffield 5th, unless they changed their mind that quickly. Hope Jerry knows what he's doing. Would also have used Murphy over Tatis here. Unless they play Murphy for all three against the MFY's.

Frayed Knot Jun 11 2009 02:46 PM

Only one LHP (Pettitte) during the MFY series as CC goes tonight, so between that and the DH, there'll lots o' ABs for everyone.

Hawkeye57 Jun 11 2009 02:53 PM

I think the question for tomorrow is whether or not Maine will be good to go with his whole dead arm problem. Wonder if they call up Niese, Figgy or someone to replace him.

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2009 05:12 PM

We waited too long last night. LET'S

themetfairy Jun 11 2009 05:13 PM

Go

Zvon Jun 11 2009 05:15 PM

Nice first for Redding. He made a real nice play on the Rollins bunt to lead off the game. He don't snag that and throw him out it's a lead off single.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 05:19 PM

Zvon Jun 11 2009 05:21 PM

We are on the board. Castillo's lead off double does not go to waste.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 05:26 PM

Phils yakkers are surprised the Mets are playing for one run in the first vs. Moyer (bunting Castillo over to third), but I feel you have to make sure that lead off double is not left stranded. If we didn't score there I'd have felt deflated already.

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2009 05:30 PM

Redding is absolutely toying with the Phillies.

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 05:34 PM

I assume this isn't the notorious Michael Milken in the booth here, correct?

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 05:39 PM

Martinez getting beat inside by a guy twice his age.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 05:41 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Martinez getting beat inside by a guy twice his age. for shame. You see em glance at each other?

PiggiesTomatoes Jun 11 2009 05:42 PM

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Frayed Knot Jun 11 2009 05:54 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I assume this isn't the notorious Michael Milken in the booth here, correct? Oh yes it is. Minus the rug he used to wear in his high-rolling days.

PiggiesTomatoes Jun 11 2009 05:56 PM

Castillo is raking tonight.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 05:57 PM

Luis Castillo, Unstoppable Slapping Machine.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 06:00 PM

I was gonna question that one out bunt by Cora but Beltran doubles in Castillo so I'll just shut up now. 2-1 Mets

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2009 06:03 PM

OK fellow Mets fans, learn me something here. Keith referred to the bunt Cora just executed as a 'drag bunt.' I was always under the impression that a drag bunt was to the pull field, and a push bunt to the opposite field. I would refer to Cora's bunts during both of his ABs tonight as push bunts. Am I wrong, or is the hair dye seeping into Keith's cerebellum?

PiggiesTomatoes Jun 11 2009 06:04 PM

Lose the Giants' draft class.

Frayed Knot Jun 11 2009 06:08 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 11 2009 06:10 PM

Swan Swan H wrote: OK fellow Mets fans, learn me something here. Keith referred to the bunt Cora just executed as a 'drag bunt.' I was always under the impression that a drag bunt was to the pull field, and a push bunt to the opposite field. I would refer to Cora's bunts during both of his ABs tonight as push bunts. Am I wrong, or is the hair dye seeping into Keith's cerebellum? I agree w/you (on the original definition thing) but Keith's not the only one who seems to use 'drag' as some kind of all-purpose bunt adjective. Drag bunts, in my mind, strictly referred to a LH batter "dragging" it along with him as he started towards 1st Kind of reminds me of when ESPN dorks use "One-Timer" to describe just about every shot during hockey highlights ... but at least then I just write it off to them being too stupid to know the difference.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 06:09 PM

Swan Swan H wrote: OK fellow Mets fans, learn me something here. Keith referred to the bunt Cora just executed as a 'drag bunt.' I was always under the impression that a drag bunt was to the pull field, and a push bunt to the opposite field. I would refer to Cora's bunts during both of his ABs tonight as push bunts. Am I wrong, or is the hair dye seeping into Keith's cerebellum? I believe "drag bunt" refers to any bunt aimed at getting the batter on base performed while the batter is starting to run.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 06:10 PM

Oh, and... RAWK ON, REDBEARD-MATE!

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 06:11 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: ="Edgy DC"]I assume this isn't the notorious Michael Milken in the booth here, correct? Oh yes it is. Minus the rug he used to wear in his high-rolling days. I appreciate that he's working on his redemption, and he's probably been hitting the booth for years, but you've got to appreciate Wilpon still willing to work with financier/con-man after one of them robbed him blind.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 06:12 PM

Oh man, Mr Wright. This park playing like Fenway?

Frayed Knot Jun 11 2009 06:14 PM

Being in Seattle all those years I didn't see him enough to form my own opinion but I kept hearing/reading all winter about how Ibanez wasn't a very good fielder. The guy's been terrific every time I've seen him this season and that goes for non NYM games too.

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 06:14 PM

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] ="Swan Swan H"]OK fellow Mets fans, learn me something here. Keith referred to the bunt Cora just executed as a 'drag bunt.' I was always under the impression that a drag bunt was to the pull field, and a push bunt to the opposite field. I would refer to Cora's bunts during both of his ABs tonight as push bunts. Am I wrong, or is the hair dye seeping into Keith's cerebellum? I believe "drag bunt" refers to any bunt aimed at getting the batter on base performed while the batter is starting to run. My thinking is that drag bunts are down the line --- either line --- as opposed to push bunts, which you thy to get past the pitcher, usually toward the secondbaseman.

Frayed Knot Jun 11 2009 06:16 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ="Frayed Knot"] Edgy DC wrote: I assume this isn't the notorious Michael Milken in the booth here, correct? Oh yes it is. Minus the rug he used to wear in his high-rolling days. I appreciate that he's working on his redemption, and he's probably been hitting the booth for years, but you've got to appreciate Wilpon still willing to work with financier/con-man after one of them robbed him blind. I believe Milken had a bout with prostate cancer not long after his prison release. He then got in on the awareness thing soon after and has been a front-man for it since.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 06:19 PM

Zvon wrote: Oh man, Mr Wright. This park playing like Fenway? Balls don't springboard off the Monster like that.

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2009 06:23 PM

I always thought the motion of the bat informed the nickname - when you push the bat forward, the bunt would go to the opposite field, but when you pull, or drag the bat inward the ball goes to the pull field. Endy's game winner is the best example of the drag I can think of - he dragged it with him down the line. I appreciate everyone's thoughts - obviously there is no clear-cut definition, and we've all heard different references over the years. Now, if I could only get people to stop referring to 'Eastern Standard Time' during Daylight Savings Time...

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2009 06:31 PM

Looie Looie Looie Loo-eeeeee Looie Looie Looie Loo-ayeeee

PiggiesTomatoes Jun 11 2009 06:31 PM

They're going to make Luis piss in a cup after tonight's game. No slapping there.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 06:32 PM

Hope Castillo is thirsty cuz he's gettin some major brewage tonight.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 06:33 PM

CORRECTION: Luis Castillo, Unstoppable PimpSlapping Machine (4 doubles in 20 PAs against Moyer, lifetime.)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 06:42 PM

Well, got him up to 90 pitches.

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 06:49 PM

Hey, Sam Perlozzo, you're in the wrong uniform. Man, 70 Ks for Howard. That's a season.

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 06:50 PM

Tim Redding just became a Met.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 06:52 PM

I'm gonna have to play reverse Hangman with Redding. He's earning back body parts.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 06:53 PM

WOW. Is Wright batting .400 yet cuz all I see are hits, hits, hits.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 06:54 PM

OH NO! Tatis was safe!

bmfc1 Jun 11 2009 07:02 PM

Zvon wrote: OH NO! Tatis was safe! Every night brings another bad call. I know these guys are human but they're getting way too many calls wrong. I'm reading "As They See 'Em" and the umps, in general, are so sanctimonious about their role in protecting the integrity of the game. Fine. I get it. Now get the calls, or at least almost all of the calls, right.

PiggiesTomatoes Jun 11 2009 07:03 PM

Another f-ing 7th inning rally.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:05 PM

Green getting warm.

Elster88 Jun 11 2009 07:06 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Hey, Sam Perlozzo, you're in the wrong uniform. Man, 70 Ks for Howard. That's a season. Two more to pass Wright for the league lead.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:07 PM

Shit. I'm not too thrilled about pitching to Stairs there. His ground out ties the game.

metirish Jun 11 2009 07:07 PM

Zvon wrote: Green getting warm. Not to come into the game I hope , it's a cold night so maybe that's why he's warming up.

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 07:08 PM

Pitching to Stairs. Playing back. Sticking with the starter. Jerry is a cool cat tonight. "Go ahead, tie the game."

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:10 PM

metirish wrote: ="Zvon"]Green getting warm. Not to come into the game I hope , it's a cold night so maybe that's why he's warming up. I don't really wanna see Green in there tonight myself, unless its extras and we have to go there. Shirley not at this point.

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 07:13 PM

Everybody applaud Tim Redding.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 07:14 PM

Well done, Beardy.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:16 PM

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:19 PM

Feliciano gets the ball. This I prefer.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:22 PM

Home plate ump don't know the count on Howard. Sheesh.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 07:23 PM

Um... was there a quick pitch call in there? Doesn't he have to, like, tell him he's making that call?

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2009 07:23 PM

Unlike safe/out calls, Iassogna can't flip a coin to determine the count.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 07:28 PM

Iasseen better umps.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:29 PM

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:35 PM

Parnell gets the 9th, and gets the job done.

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2009 07:38 PM

Let's get on our feet! Plowed @ Yahoo! Video

Rockin' Doc Jun 11 2009 07:39 PM

It's time to rock this place with a walk off. Let's

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2009 07:41 PM

Go

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:42 PM

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:43 PM

Charlie goes to the pen with 2 out and Fmart up.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:45 PM

goin extras!

HahnSolo Jun 11 2009 07:45 PM

Those were two completely uninspiring turns at bat for the hometown boys.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 07:45 PM

F bombs, and we're on to extras. Good luck, Ken. EDIT: Or, rather, Parns... THEN Ken.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 07:47 PM

HahnSolo wrote: Those were two completely uninspiring turns at bat for the hometown boys. Quickie ABs, too, like defense was dessert.

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 07:52 PM

Hey, Ron Darling. Tell me you're not disrespecting Jaime Cerda.

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2009 07:52 PM

Takahashi in for Utley and Howard. Cautious optimism is about all I can muster.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:53 PM

Parnell won't be facing that pesky Utley tonight.

Fman99 Jun 11 2009 07:56 PM

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 07:58 PM

Help me Tak.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 07:58 PM

BIG K of Howard!

Swan Swan H Jun 11 2009 07:59 PM

Howard succumbs to the Tak Attack. Ibanez is his next victim.

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 07:59 PM

Thank you, Ken.

Fman99 Jun 11 2009 08:00 PM

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Luis Castillo, Unstoppable Slapping Machine.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 08:00 PM

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWshit

Fman99 Jun 11 2009 08:01 PM

SHITFUCK

Rockin' Doc Jun 11 2009 08:02 PM

Wilpon should have made the park bigger.

bmfc1 Jun 11 2009 08:02 PM

Friggin' Phillies. There may be no such thing as clutch but boy do they get hits close and late. BTW, while I'm not wishing injuries on anyone, I'd like to see how they would do w/o Howard and Rollins for half the season.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 11 2009 08:03 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 11 2009 08:04 PM

We've got bush... league command.

bmfc1 Jun 11 2009 08:03 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: Wilpon should have made the park bigger. Wilpon should have made that stupid LF wall shorter. I guess it evens out but it hurt the Mets tonight.

Fman99 Jun 11 2009 08:05 PM

So it's not the park that stops HRs, it's the Mets quad-A lineup? OK, rally time. He said disgustedly.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 08:07 PM

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 08:08 PM

I don't like Cohen characterizing Manuel going with Ken as "gambling." There wasn't a right move there.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 11 2009 08:08 PM

Damn. I swear it was tied when I walked away for a couple minutes. Freaking Phillies.

Frayed Knot Jun 11 2009 08:22 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 11 2009 08:26 PM

Y'know, it's easy to say that the sac bunts "worked" in the early innings as they led directly to runs. But that's at least partially a false argument. Those runs either would have, or at least could have scored anyway, and what the sac bunts do in the long run is to make it more likely that those innings - some of which were started with leadoff doubles fer crissakes - would top out as single-run innings. Once you give up the out to move the runner over and another to get the run in it's 2-out w/none-on and very little chance of a crooked number going up on the board. I'm really getting sick of this fascination with the sac bunt and those potential runs we're giving up early are coming back to bite us later on as we work with no margin for error.

Edgy DC Jun 11 2009 08:22 PM

="Zvon"] Not pointing fingers, but I'm sre that image has a record of like 2-51.

Zvon Jun 11 2009 08:42 PM

="Edgy DC"] ="Zvon"] Not pointing fingers, but I'm sre that image has a record of like 2-51. lol. ="Frayed Knot"] Y'know, it's easy to say that the sac bunts "worked" in the early innings as they led directly to runs. But that's at least partially a false argument. Those runs either would have, or at least could have scored anyway, and what the sac bunts do in the long run is to make it more likely that those innings - some of which were started with leadoff doubles fer crissakes - would top out as single-run innings. Once you give up the out to move the runner over and another to get the run in it's 2-out w/none-on and very little chance of a crooked number going up on the board. I'm really getting sick of this fascination with the sac bunt and those potential runs we're giving up early are coming back to bite us later on as we work with no margin for error. I'm okay with the first inning bunt. Scoring first is something that I think is important. But you have a good point . I wasn't too thrilled at all with the second Cora bunt. We had one out there already and behind Cora : Beltran, Sheff and Wright seeing Moyer for the second time tonight.

Elster88 Jun 11 2009 08:43 PM

="Edgy DC"] ="Zvon"] Not pointing fingers, but I'm sre that image has a record of like 2-51. He will continue to post it.

Frayed Knot Jun 11 2009 08:47 PM

]I'm okay with the first inning bunt. Scoring first is something that I think is important. Y'know what's a good way to score first when you get a lead-off double with 2-3-4 in your lineup coming up? ... Swing the freakin' bats!!!! Who knows, you might even put up a (dare I say it?) TWO-SPOT!

Gwreck Jun 11 2009 09:16 PM

I disliked all three of the bunts. What I really disliked was Jerry's incongruent strategy. He's playing for one run when his leadoff hitter is on in innings 1, 3 and 5, but then when the Phillies are threatening to tie, he plays the infield back and just lets them tie the game instead of trying to protect that precious one run. Not many fans of the opposing team tonight, fortunately. Nachos Grande were unexpectedly good at the park and a nice alternative, especially if getting to the CF food court is a pain (like it is from my seats).

Rockin' Doc Jun 11 2009 09:48 PM

BIFL