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="Benjamin Grimm":32eg1nc2]They might as well shut down the Hall of Fame for a decade or two.[/quote:32eg1nc2]
I count 8 obvious HOF candidates plus two others:
Pedro Martinez
Roger Clemens
Barry Bonds
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmeiro
Manny Ramirez
Alex Rodriguez
Ivan Rodriguez
Roberto Alomar (?)
Gary Sheffield (?)
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bmfc1
Jun 29 2009 11:32 AM
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"Not counting Freddy Garcia and Bret Boone who were spring training Mets."
As was Valerio de los Santos.
Not to split hairs, but were any of the named on the Mets in '03?
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Gwreck
Jun 29 2009 11:33 AM
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Carl Everett and Gary Matthews were also Mets.
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Gwreck
Jun 29 2009 11:44 AM
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="bmfc1":355jydkl]Not to split hairs, but were any of the named on the Mets in '03?[/quote:355jydkl]
The list appeared to be sorted by division and team, so you get Alomar, Cedeno, Burnitz and Floyd all listed together. Those are your '03 Mets.
Interestingly, Burnitz is listed again, but with the Dodgers players. Don't know if that's indicative of the list being fake or not.
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metsguyinmichigan
Jun 29 2009 11:45 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 29 2009 11:48 AM
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="bmfc1":n44vb3vz]"Not counting Freddy Garcia and Bret Boone who were spring training Mets."
As was Valerio de los Santos.
Not to split hairs, but were any of the named on the Mets in '03?[/quote:n44vb3vz]
Hey, Art Howe ran a clean clubhouse!!!
Meanwhile...
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16.Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
These are the only Yankees? You-gotta-be-kiddin'-me!
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Farmer Ted
Jun 29 2009 11:46 AM
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I thought Moises got his power from pissing on his hands.
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bmfc1
Jun 29 2009 11:48 AM
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"Interestingly, Burnitz is listed again, but with the Dodgers players. Don't know if that's indicative of the list being fake or not."
The Mets traded him to the Dodgers during the '03 season:
07-14-2003: Traded by New York Mets to Los Angeles Dodgers for Victor Diaz and Jose Diaz.
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Fman99
Jun 29 2009 11:50 AM
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="Farmer Ted":3o2b1z4y]I thought Moises got his power from pissing on his hands.[/quote:3o2b1z4y]
I wonder what Moistest Alou is doing these days.
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Gwreck
Jun 29 2009 11:52 AM
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="bmfc1":3hsdd5wp]"Interestingly, Burnitz is listed again, but with the Dodgers players. Don't know if that's indicative of the list being fake or not."
The Mets traded him to the Dodgers during the '03 season:
07-14-2003: Traded by New York Mets to Los Angeles Dodgers for Victor Diaz and Jose Diaz.[/quote:3hsdd5wp]
I know. You'd think the list still would've only had him on there once. Did somebody go through the list of players on each team, find who was plausible, and put this together? (And simply forget that Burnitz was already on there)? Or perhaps Jeromy tested positive twice, once with each team.
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Fman99
Jun 29 2009 11:54 AM
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="Gwreck":3pm0hlqj]Carl Everett and Gary Matthews were also Mets.[/quote:3pm0hlqj]
Thanks... I figured that I would miss a few.
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G-Fafif
Jun 29 2009 12:18 PM
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It appears most of the '03 Mets were no better at alleged juicing than they were at baseball.
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Nymr83
Jun 29 2009 12:58 PM
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anyone can make a fake list look plausible by sprikling in the cheats we know (Clemens, Arod, Giambi) the cheats we've long suspected (Juan Gonzalez, Miguel Tejada) and some random names (Abernathy, Christiansen, Mota) while avoiding those we'd hate to suspect (Ripken, Jeter, Gwynn).
i can't call bullshit on the "list" but theres just no way to take it seriously either.
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Edgy DC
Jun 29 2009 01:12 PM
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Hey, wait, Gwynn and Ripken were done by 2003. As for Jeter, soft rain isn't on any banned list I know.
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smg58
Jun 29 2009 01:17 PM
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Is anybody else reporting this? And if not, who is rotoinfo claiming as the source?
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 29 2009 01:20 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 29 2009 01:44 PM
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After the better part of an afternoon searching, I've only seen this "list" on other message boards, and in similarly unsourced form.
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metirish
Jun 29 2009 01:39 PM
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Bob Klapisch has in the past shared concern regarding Jeter.......hilarious reading here
[url=http://www.northjersey.com/sports/Klapisch_Derek_dont_fail_us_now.html:32jw2hte]Derek, don't fail us now[/url:32jw2hte]
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SteveJRogers
Jun 29 2009 01:41 PM
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="Nymr83":4s13xmfx]anyone can make a fake list look plausible by sprikling in the cheats we know (Clemens, Arod, Giambi) the cheats we've long suspected (Juan Gonzalez, Miguel Tejada) and some random names (Abernathy, Christiansen, Mota) while avoiding those we'd hate to suspect (Ripken, Jeter, Gwynn).
i can't call bullshit on the "list" but theres just no way to take it seriously either.[/quote:4s13xmfx]
It does read a bit much like something a MFY fan would put together as many names are "thorns" in Yankee sides and such.
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bmfc1
Jun 29 2009 01:43 PM
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="metirish":dswu7m3p]Bob Klapisch has in the past shared concern regarding Jeter.......hilarious reading here
[url=http://www.northjersey.com/sports/Klapisch_Derek_dont_fail_us_now.html:dswu7m3p]Derek, don't fail us now[/url:dswu7m3p][/quote:dswu7m3p]
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you....
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OlerudOwned
Jun 29 2009 05:25 PM
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Looks like somebody just cobbled together whatever names they could remember from 2003. Seems as if they ran down team rosters and grabbed the notable looking names, and slapped them down in order.
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SteveJRogers
Jun 29 2009 05:35 PM
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Yup. And as LWFS said, its not showing up anywhere except on message boards.
Yes I'm sure me and DGW will get that, but the scene it is from is classic overacting with just the line, IT'S A FAKE!
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Nymr83
Jun 29 2009 05:46 PM
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"In the Pale Moonlight" was my favorite episode of Deep Space Nine.
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metsguyinmichigan
Jun 29 2009 06:04 PM
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No Astros or Twins? No Bagwell??
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Frayed Knot
Jun 29 2009 07:02 PM
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Legit or Fake?
Don't know, don't care.
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Nymr83
Jun 30 2009 10:10 AM
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we had a post about this yesterday<br><br><br><I>(Merged from 2003 Unconfirmed Steroid list, 6/30/2009</i>)
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Frayed Knot
Jun 30 2009 10:55 AM
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See the 'Legit or Fake' thread lower down on the page.
The consensus seems to be that this thing appears nowhere except for this roto-site and who knows where they picked it up from. That real news orgs (or even ESPN) aren't touching it makes you think that there's no credible source behind it.
So it's probably speculation even though it could be partially or even mostly correct - but I don't even care at this point. When this 2003 list does leak (and you know it eventually will) it's still just going to be merely a snapshot of that moment and certainly not remotely the last word on who is tainted and who is pure.<br><br><br><I>(Merged from 2003 Unconfirmed Steroid list, 6/30/2009</i>)
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Frayed Knot
Jun 30 2009 11:11 AM
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Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something.
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Nymr83
Jun 30 2009 11:13 AM
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="Frayed Knot":2ox6bx81]Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something.[/quote:2ox6bx81]
beats having duplicate threads. this problem is also easily solved by reading every thread!
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jun 30 2009 11:29 AM
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Tommy Craggs of Deadspin dissects a few problematic aspects of the list. Exhibit A?
| ]For one thing, Jason Grimsley's name is absent. Grimsley, you'll recall, has been confirmed as one of the Juicin' 104. |
http://deadspin.com/5304675/why-the-new ... e=true&s=i
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Triple Dee
Jun 30 2009 11:58 AM
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Even some of the names make it pretty dubious. Call me naive if you like, but I'd be shocked if Delgado ever juiced (Beltran, otoh, I could believe).
However, whoever put the list together was thinking; Delgado had a career year in 2003 + Delgado's from PR + Steriods are probably easier to acquire in PR + Delgado's numbers have dropped since 2003 = Delgado's on the list.
The formula works for a large percentage of players on the list.
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seawolf17
Jun 30 2009 12:01 PM
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The list is patently fake, for all the reasons everyone's listed. It's just too convenient. OO's probably right. It's directing a lot of traffic to that roto site, which probably helps their ad revenue, though.
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Frayed Knot
Jun 30 2009 12:05 PM
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="Nymr83":27xputm1]="Frayed Knot":27xputm1]Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something.[/quote:27xputm1]
beats having duplicate threads. this problem is also easily solved by reading every thread![/quote:27xputm1]
And God knows how there's a finite supply of threads so we have to conserve them ... like oil.
Point being that 'Attgig' is a long-time, though less active, poster who, less than an hour after he brings up a topic, has it disappear on him.
Now maybe he reads more than he posts or maybe he just missed that one, but I think sometimes in our relish to "tidy up" the board and preserve those always-endangered threads we don't consider all the angles.
In this case, I think both the rush to merge and the brusque 'we already talked about that' didn't do anyone any favors. There needn't be some kind of full-time or not-at-all requirement to post here.
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Nymr83
Jun 30 2009 12:23 PM
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multiple threads bump other useful threads to the 2nd page and they create duplication of discussion and confusion. take a look at some other forums and you'll see how annoying it is when unpoliced. nobody is saying attgig or whoever else did something bad, but its proper to point out the duplicate and merge it.
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attgig
Jun 30 2009 12:50 PM
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="Frayed Knot":2ptcrfj5]Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something.[/quote:2ptcrfj5]
dangit, where'd my thread go?
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attgig
Jun 30 2009 12:56 PM
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as for the list, i think it's pretty well made up list, but I don't see how rotoinfo is going to get away with it if it's fake....
even qualifying it as a rumor could open itself up to libel/slander lawsuits..
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