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SHaMs @ Braves: 7/16 IGT

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 16 2009 02:58 PM

As said in some other thread, lots on the line tonight:

Lowe vs. Ollie
Church v. Frency
Mets v Braves

Yup, tonight is officially a Big GameŽ.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 16 2009 03:11 PM

Not ready for this. I enjoyed the three-day break too much!

I'll probably tune in, though. My last chance to watch the Shams for almost two weeks.

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 16 2009 03:41 PM

For the record, I love the SHaM's moniker.

Go Shammy's.

G-Fafif
Jul 16 2009 03:46 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 16 2009 03:48 PM

The comeback starts NOW with this lineup:

Pagan CF
Castillo 2B
Wright 3B
Sheffield LF
Francoeur RF
Murphy 1B
Cora SS
Schneider C
Perez P

bmfc1
Jul 16 2009 03:47 PM

METS:
Angel Pagan CF
Luis Castillo 2B
David Wright 3B
Gary Sheffield LF
Jeff Francoeur RF
Daniel Murphy 1B
Alex Cora SS
Brian Schneider C
Oliver Perez LHP (2-2, 8.78)

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2009 03:48 PM

New YorkAtlanta
  1. Pagan, cf

  2. Castillo, 2b

  3. Wright, 3b

  4. Sheffield, lf

  5. Francoeur, rf

  6. Murphy, 1b

  7. Cora, ss

  8. Schneider, c

  9. Perez, lhp




  1. Not Church, rf




  2. Lowe, rhp

bmfc1
Jul 16 2009 03:50 PM

Anybody have the Mets lineup?

G-Fafif
Jul 16 2009 03:51 PM

Clearly the most motivational Mets lineup ever. Shout it from the rooftops, baby we're ready to go.

G-Fafif
Jul 16 2009 04:18 PM

The Enemy

McClouth CF
Prado 2B
Jones 3B
McCann C
Escobar SS
Anderson LF
Diaz RF
Kotchman 1B
Lowe P

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 05:21 PM

It seems that the Braves' pre-game team vote ended in favor of "not taking."

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2009 05:26 PM

I remember the Braves decrying that Church's concussion was his own damn fault for coming in so high on Yunel Escobar (a contention the photo below supports).

Now, of course he's welcomed as a (natch) "hard-nosed blue-collar" player.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 05:31 PM

Well, maybe the walks aren't so bad after all.

Farmer Ted
Jul 16 2009 05:36 PM

Bad Ollie

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 05:43 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 16 2009 05:57 PM

Nah, still good Ollie-- he's just made one costly mistake pitch, and got tagged a decent inside FB on the other one.

Schneider, meanwhile, continuing to look good at the plate. 1-out, 9 pitch walk.

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2009 05:46 PM

We're chasing this Lowe guy's pitches.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 05:56 PM

Schneider nabs Prado, and some suds consideration.

metirish
Jul 16 2009 06:03 PM

Is that a washed up Eddie Van Halen behind home plate?

Also , I never knew Keith had a book out.

Nymr83
Jul 16 2009 06:03 PM

Prado fell on his face! that was gonna be 2 out right?

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2009 06:04 PM

To hell with homers, I can first and third all day.

Farmer Ted
Jul 16 2009 06:04 PM

Good Gary

Farmer Ted
Jul 16 2009 06:04 PM

Good Frenchie

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 06:05 PM



Slap chop! 1 run in.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 06:05 PM



Soft slap chop. 2 in.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 16 2009 06:07 PM

Let's go Muffy

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 16 2009 06:07 PM

SHaM-Wow!

Farmer Ted
Jul 16 2009 06:08 PM

Good Muffy

bmfc1
Jul 16 2009 06:10 PM

Daniel Murphy means business.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 06:11 PM



"It's Irish, so you know it's good!" 3 in.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 06:28 PM

Nice job tagging that slider by Diaz.

Shit job blocking the plate by Schneider. This inning should be over.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 06:35 PM

A slappy single brings up Sugar Pants with 1 out, and marks pitch #86 for Lowe.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 06:39 PM

Shit. Sheff just fouled off a meaty hanging breaking ball. Meaty.

metirish
Jul 16 2009 06:51 PM

Do we have a bunch of posters on the DL?, IGT's of late have been slow.

LWFS is doing trojan work though.

Frayed Knot
Jul 16 2009 06:56 PM

metirish wrote:
LWFS is doing trojan work though.


Does that mean he's practicing safe posting?

themetfairy
Jul 16 2009 06:57 PM

I'm here. Just not as constantly connected as usual.

MK's Bar Mitzvah is coming up next month; the detail work is co-opting my life (if not my soul).

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 16 2009 06:59 PM

Like to turn 2 here. But whiff him, anywhoo.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 07:00 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
="metirish"]LWFS is doing trojan work though.


Does that mean he's practicing safe posting?


The Magnums make great waterproof house socks, since they're laser-sealed.

Would that Ollie were so well put-together-- a walk and a bloop in the bottom of the sixth, and Ollie's fraying at the seams.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 16 2009 07:02 PM

Attaboy, Ollie. You'll say Wow every time.

metirish
Jul 16 2009 07:03 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
="metirish"]LWFS is doing trojan work though.


Does that mean he's practicing safe posting?




Only when he's not drinking

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 16 2009 07:04 PM

SHaM-WOW!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 07:06 PM

Slow roller-- you following it, camera guy?-- ends the threat.

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2009 07:06 PM

Gueesss whose ERA just under 8.00, haters.

Frayed Knot
Jul 16 2009 07:06 PM

Murphy almost screws up that play three different ways
- shoulda let it go to Castillo
- shoulda gone to 2nd with it once he had it
- shoulda made a better flip to Ollie
but gets away with it anyhow.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 16 2009 07:08 PM

Hit a homa, Tatis.

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2009 07:09 PM

I wanted to let O-Face hit.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 07:14 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 16 2009 07:14 PM

Everybody stretch... and pogo!

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2009 07:14 PM

Pagan gets the Knockout Punch of the Night Award

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2009 07:19 PM

OK, great, Brooks Conrad. You got a walk. Now go find a first name.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 07:22 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
OK, great, Brooks Conrad. You got a walk. Now go find a first name.


Sounds like a Tulsa law firm.

Stays at first after two failed bunts by McLouth.

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2009 07:25 PM

Sounds like a particularly quixotic Civil War colonel.

themetfairy
Jul 16 2009 07:29 PM

Fucking Larry....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 07:30 PM

And THAT's why you don't worry so much about lefty-righty.
Does Misch come in here now?
Who pitches to Escobar? Green?
And if he gets on, you've still got Johan to throw to 1-2 batters, right?

themetfairy
Jul 16 2009 07:35 PM

It wasn't pretty, but Wright made the play to end the inning.

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2009 07:38 PM

Peter Moylan? Uh-uh.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 07:51 PM

Church in to pinch run for Anderson after an (!) infield hit.

Don't come in high on a grounder, Ry.

metirish
Jul 16 2009 07:58 PM

When was the last time the Mets were 7 1/2 games out?

Kong76
Jul 16 2009 08:02 PM

I dunno, but they'll be fifteen out by mid-August.

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2009 08:05 PM

Santos and Berroa have more power than Reed.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 08:08 PM

Yeah, I'm comfortable with my prediction.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 16 2009 08:09 PM

Cora still looks like absolute shit.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 08:12 PM

These SHaMs look depressingly familiar.

Kong76
Jul 16 2009 08:14 PM

Nice find on the stretch song, LWFS ... I don't remember ever seeing that one.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 08:25 PM

A lot of the live stuff on YouTube is tasty.

I thought it would bring 'em a bit of brio. It wilted 'em instead.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 16 2009 08:26 PM

A lot of the live stuff on YouTube is tasty.

I thought it would bring 'em a bit of brio. It wilted 'em instead.

PiggiesTomatoes
Jul 16 2009 08:48 PM

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]These SHaMs look depressingly familiar.



I think this is as disturbing as CSB but not nearly as cheerful/uplifting, and should close every IGT where the loss just sucks; like tonight.

Fman99
Jul 16 2009 08:49 PM

metirish wrote:
Do we have a bunch of posters on the DL?, IGT's of late have been slow.

LWFS is doing trojan work though.


Golf night. Will try to chip in more tomorrow.

metirish
Jul 17 2009 10:58 AM

Rubin actually has a tragic number posted in his Mets blog today



Braves 5, Mets 3: Tragic number down to 68
July 16, 2009
]
If it wasn't clear already, Thursday's 5-3 loss to the Braves cemented the notion that it would be irresponsible for the Mets to make any trade this month, unless it was a swap that made sense for 2010 and beyond, whether that's trading Gary Sheffield for prospects or otherwise. The Mets dropped 7 1/2 games behind the Phillies. And with none of their injured stars returning soon, how can it make sense to go for it?

Remember the Mets' desperation in 2004? Trailing the Braves by six games entering a series at Atlanta the weekend of the trading deadline, the Mets dismantled the farm system for Kris Benson and Victor Zambrano, including parting with Scott Kazmir. The Mets were swept that weekend by the Braves anyway, falling nine back.

Surely, the Mets won't be that reckless again.

(As an aside, front office people wanted to void that trade for Zambrano days later because of his elbow injury, but the highest members of the organization vetoed it, concerned for how Bud Selig might react, I'm told.)

Anyway, no sense going over the nuts and bolts of Thursday's loss. Oliver Perez and Derek Lowe were a draw through six innings, allowing three runs and five hits apiece. Bobby Parnell surrendered the tiebreaking run in the seventh on an RBI single by Chipper Jones.
***

Meanwhile, from the why-I-shouldn't-try-to-respond-to-every-e-mail department ...

Here's an actual exchange:

Reader: Adam, From Goldstein's chat yesterday: "Why does everyone kill the Mets' system? Mejia, Flores, Holt, Martinez, and while I didn't love Ike Davis, he's performing well so far. That's a pretty solid top five."

Since you are one of those killing the Mets farm, care to comment? I never thought you favor pile-ons.

My response: I would think most systems have four prospects. The 2000 Birmingham Barons, which I covered, had Mark Buehrle, Jon Garland, Aaron Rowand, Joe Crede, Kip Wells, Josh Fogg, Josh Paul, Matt Ginter, Rocky Biddle and on and on. Plus, I know many of the scouts assigned to the Mets. That's what they're saying. And whether you believe it or not, if that's what they report back to their superiors, it cripples the Mets on the trade front and becomes reality.

Reader: It's not what I believe, it's what Kevin Goldstein said. Presumably he also talks to scouts. Your answer basically confirms it's a piling-on.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 17 2009 08:30 PM

Hopefully the posting of a tragic number will have the opposite effect that the ill fated magic number posting did in recent years.