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="smg58":1ubjl249]Cora's range might be slightly south of average at short, but that's still comfortably better than Jeter. [/quote:1ubjl249]
it pains me to type the next sentence...
derek jeter has played the best defensive shortstop in the AL this year.
ow. ow. oh god it hurts... oh god....
he's got the 5th best zone rating in the majors (best in the AL) and the second best F% in the majors and the AL, among qualified shortstops.
cora, were he to amass sufficient playing time to qualify, would have the 5th lowest ZR in the majors, ahead of only such luminaries as cristian guzman, jack wilson, troy tulowitski, and elvis andrus.
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Edgy DC
Jul 07 2009 09:42 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2009 10:01 AM
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="smg58":7zx11cdp]Speaking of Castillo: his walks are negated by his complete lack of power, his range (while improved from last year) is still below average, and the drop tops Glavine's last start on the unforgivability scale.[/quote:7zx11cdp]
It does? I guess I'd like to see that scale.
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Edgy DC
Jul 07 2009 09:45 AM
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="metsmarathon":2owzbzz6]ahead of only such luminaries as cristian guzman, jack wilson, troy tulowitski, and elvis andrus.[/quote:2owzbzz6]
Wison and Guzman have been at the top of their field in the relatively recent past. It's probably a tight field.
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TransMonk
Jul 07 2009 09:46 AM
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Agreed. Castillo's drop, however boneheaded, was during as meaningless a regular season game as there is. Glavine tanked it with the season on the line.
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metsmarathon
Jul 07 2009 11:40 AM
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="Edgy DC"]| ="metsmarathon"]ahead of only such luminaries as cristian guzman, jack wilson, troy tulowitski, and elvis andrus. |
Wison and Guzman have been at the top of their field in the relatively recent past. It's probably a tight field. |
actually... um... i need to relook that. i should've noticed something wrong when i first looked, but the zone ratings are all above 1. in fact, jeter is rated a 6. which means he should be fielding 600% of the balls hit to shortstop. and i don't think he is.
i don't know what espn is showing, to be honest with you.
so instead i looked at the hardball times. they also have jeter as the 5th best shortstop in terms of revised zone rating.
| ]RZR (or ZR)
Revised Zone Rating is the proportion of balls hit into a fielder's zone that he successfully converted into an out. Zone Rating was invented by John Dewan when he was CEO of Stats Inc. John is now the owner of Baseball Info Solutions, where he has revised the original Zone Rating calculation so that it now lists balls handled out of the zone (OOZ) separately (and doesn't include them in the ZR calculation) and doesn't give players extra credit for double plays (Stats had already made that change). We believe both changes improve Zone Ratings substantially. To get a full picture of a player's range, you should evaluate both his Revised Zone Rating and his plays made out of zone (OOZ) |
his RZR is at 0.833. the leader board looks like this:
<table><tr><td>ryan theriot</td><td>0.856</td></tr><tr><td>jack wilson</td><td>0.855</td></tr><tr><td>jj hardy</td><td>0.839</td></tr><tr><td>elvis andrus</td><td>0.837</td></tr><tr><td>derek jeter</td><td>0.833</td></tr></table>
alex cora has a 0.765 ZR, which , among qualified players, would put him 4th from the bottom, ahead of jason bartlett (0.764), cristian guzman (0.754) and yuniesky betancourt (0.720!)
derek jeter fielded 13 balls out of his zone. i'm not sure how best to look at this stat relative to others, but its the lowest number of balls out of zone among his qualifying peers. also, if i were to look at ball fielded out of zone (OOZ) versus balls in zone (BIZ), he's looking at the lowest rate of OOZ/BIZ among qualified players, with 8%. best among the group is jason bartlett's 27% (is he positioned really wierdly? does he have range only to his left, or only to his right? that's just wierd to me that he's got a terrible RZR and a great OOZ, and not too many errors either!)
average is about 14%.
alex cora comes in at 6 balls OOZ, among 81 BIZ, for 7%. worse again than derek jeter.
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Vic Sage
Jul 07 2009 11:44 AM
Re: Halfway Grades & Comments
Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2009 03:46 PM
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Beltran [A/inc]: having a great year till hurt.
Santana [A-]: cooled off in June after amazing April-May, but still best we have, and one of the best there is. Deserves better.
Wright [A-] His HR production is down (and, therefore, RBI), but everything else is fine.
F.Rodriguez [A-]: Absolutely dominating, till last few weeks
Delgado [B+/inc]: up and down, but productive overall until injury; he could be done.
Sheffield [B+]: Production from unlikely source is great surprise
Feliciano [B+]: Does the job
L.Hernandez [B ]: Better than i thought he'd be
Nieve [B-]: Came storming out of gate, but has come back to earth.
Castillo [B-]: decent OB%, but no more SBs or defensive range, and never had any power.
Stokes [B-]: usually effective, in low-leverage innings
S.Green [B-]: terrible stretch, but effective ever since
Parnell [B-]: great early, crashed lately, perhaps due to overuse.
J.Reed [C+]: doing ok job in his limited role
Church [C+]: injury, plus initial lack of production; swinging well now.
Pelfrey [C+]: consistently inconsistent
Pagan [C/inc]: shows flashes, then hits the DL. like always.
J.Reyes [C/inc]: Wasn't doing much before injury. Who knows when he is returning?
Maine [C/inc]: Inconsistent till hurt; who knows if he's coming back?
Santos [C]: good start fooled people into thinking he can hit. He can't.
Schneider [C]: we already knew Brian couldn't hit.
Cora [C]: utility player of some neglible value
Evans [C/inc]: showing flashes
Murphy [C-]: showing none of the qualities as a hitter we saw last year. Flash in the pan. Plus his defensive lapses in LF were startling. He seems much more adept at 1b, though.
Putz [D/inc]: pitched hurt, then DL.
Tatis [D]: more evidence for not re-signing old guys off of career years
F. Martinez [D] - short sample, but i've seen enough for now.
Redding [F]: Tell me again why we signed this guy?
O.Perez [F]: So bad, he got demoted. It helped Trachsel, but will it help Ollie?
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J. Manuel [C-]: He's a head scratcher
Minaya [D]: He sucks BHMC
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Frayed Knot
Jul 07 2009 11:51 AM
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Offense at mid-season:
[u:apb0gvq7]Players ranked by PAs[/u:apb0gvq7]
Wright - Beltran - Castillo - Murphy - Church
Sheffield - Cora - Tatis - Reyes - Santos
Delgado - FMartinez - Schneider - Reed - Castro
Cora & Santos being 7th & 10th while Reyes & Delgado are 9th & 11th says a lot.
Castillo only 1 PA behind Beltran.
[u:apb0gvq7]By Runs Created (Source Baseball-Ref)[/u:apb0gvq7]:
Wright - Beltran - Sheffield - Castillo - Church
Murphy - Reyes - Cora - Delgado - Santos
Tatis - Castro - Schneider - Pagan - Reed
This one is obviously largely dependent on playing time as well as production.
[u:apb0gvq7]Runs Created per Game[/u:apb0gvq7]:
Beltran - Delgado - Wright - Sheffiled - Pagan
Reyes - Evans - Church - Cora - Castillo
Schneider - Castro - Santos - Murphy - Tatis
Takes the rate at which a player is producing the building blocks for runs into account. Nice showing by Pagan although that's a small sample he's working with (51 PAs)
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Gwreck
Jul 07 2009 11:54 AM
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Where does Reed rank in runs created per game? Below Tatis? I've felt he deserves more PT than he gets (if only that he's the best defensive outfielder on the team right now) but I don't think we've seen enough to know if he can actually hit.
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Frayed Knot
Jul 07 2009 11:58 AM
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Yeah, right below Tatis.
I only went with the top 15 in each case figuring that you're just scraping the bottom of the barrel beyond that and dealing with increasingly smaller sample sizes. It's also just hair-splitting at that point anyway, 3.5/gm for Tatis vs 3.4 for Reed.
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Ashie62
Jul 07 2009 01:15 PM
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="Edgy DC":339u3ni9]I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?[/quote:339u3ni9]
Good question..I graded players against what my expectations were and are for each..Obviously Wright is better than Santos although they are graded alike
As for Cora..he was brought in to be a backup. He has largely played everyday, played through pain, provided some offense and to me shown maturity and leadership on the field. Thats an A- bar to me given his season start role.
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metirish
Jul 07 2009 01:21 PM
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I dunno what Cora has done to get acclaim for being a leader , it's like if it gets repeated enough then it must be true.
I blame Keith .
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 07 2009 01:24 PM
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Unless we're in the clubhouse, we don't know who's a leader and who isn't, and we have to take the word of those who do go into the clubhouse. (For the most part. Sometimes, as with Keith Hernandez, you can see that leadership on the field.)
And speaking of Keith, I think he has the track record to know who's a leader and who isn't. I trust his judgment in this area.
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Nymr83
Jul 07 2009 01:32 PM
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| ]also, m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to operate t-shirt cannons, and is fairly certain that any attempt to do so would end up in a rapid ascent to the farthest reaches of the promenade level and a unique souvenir for an unsuspecting fan. |
pray that SJR doesnt catch you.
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MFS62
Jul 15 2009 06:09 PM
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="Edgy DC":1vabyzts]I ask this every year. Are these guys being rated on different scales or against a universal mean?[/quote:1vabyzts]
My rating scale is based on how the player performed against the expectations I had for that player coming into this season. I also rated based on how well they performed while they played. I didn't hold injuries against them because, well, shit happens.
A = far exceeded my expectaions
B = exceeded expectations
C = met expectations
D = did not meet expectations
F = did not meet expectations by a wide margin.
INC = not enough to judge
Santos A
Schneider D
Murphy D
Delgado B
Tatis D
Castillo B
Cora B (maybe even an A)
J.Reyes D
Wright D
Sheffield B
Evans INC
Beltran C
Church C
F. Martinez INC
J.Reed C
Santana B
Pelfrey C
Maine C
O.Perez F (only because I didn't expand my rating scale any lower)
L. Hernandez C
Nieve A
Putz D
Stokes C
S.Green B
Feliciano B
F.Rodriguez B
Redding D
J. Manuel C
Minaya D
Citifield INC - haven't been there yet.
Later
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