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="bmfc1":1t84l3jf]A) Tony B. is fired
B) Someone goes on the DL--nobody has since Saturday!
C) Angel Berroa gets a 3 year contract
Burkhardt tweets that it's on SNY @3:30.[/quote:1t84l3jf]
Let's mix 'n match.
How about Tony B will be put on the DL?
Later
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 12:32 PM
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You gotta hold a press conference for that?, issue a press release and get it over with.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 27 2009 12:33 PM
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 12:34 PM
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HahnSolo
Jul 27 2009 12:38 PM
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That he was fired, or that the presser isn't for something else?
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 12:42 PM
Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 27 2009 12:49 PM
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="HahnSolo":1cnz56vh]That he was fired, or that the presser isn't for something else?[/quote:1cnz56vh]
That it wasn't to announce something else .
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 27 2009 12:45 PM
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="HahnSolo":3d90awjn]That he was fired, or that the presser isn't for something else?[/quote:3d90awjn]
I dunno.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 12:49 PM
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="metirish":2nx3vx4r]="HahnSolo":2nx3vx4r]That he was fired, or that the presser isn't for something else?[/quote:2nx3vx4r]
That it wasn't to announce something else .[/quote:2nx3vx4r]
That reads like I was happy Bernazard was fired, not the case.
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Edgy DC
Jul 27 2009 12:50 PM
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We could've packaged him in a Halladay deal.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 12:52 PM
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I wold hope that he was fried for job performance and not because of or for public relations.
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Edgy DC
Jul 27 2009 12:53 PM
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I hope he was fired for being fried on the job.
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Gwreck
Jul 27 2009 12:53 PM
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="metirish":2c26k8w2]I wold hope that he was fried for job performance and not because of or for public relations.[/quote:2c26k8w2]
Like it or not, the two are very much intertwined.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 12:55 PM
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Of well , busted......
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metsguyinmichigan
Jul 27 2009 01:00 PM
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Omar -- keep...shirt...on....
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Ceetar
Jul 27 2009 01:41 PM
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="metsguyinmichigan":296a8uw5]Omar -- keep...shirt...on....[/quote:296a8uw5]
Omar walks up to the podium, rips his shirt off Hulk Hogan style, and shouts "Yeah, I canned Tony! And I'll can any of you too! Who wants a piece of me?!"
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G-Fafif
Jul 27 2009 01:48 PM
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Ed Coleman revealing many in the organization are very happy, that he mistreated people, rep in baseball "not very good," "ruled by intimidation," wouldn't even look at you when you said hello.
But he's a great bowler.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 01:50 PM
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Can someone do a pbp of the conference, is Jeff there......
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Ceetar
Jul 27 2009 01:54 PM
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He made his recommendation to ownership, after reviewing the Human Resources investigation, that Tony should be let go.
He doesn't want to go into details, but the stuff that we already know, wasn't exactly how it happened (sounded like mostly how it happened though)
He _was_ surprised by some of the stuff in the report.
Not great for the organization, but we'll move on.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 01:55 PM
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Thanks ceetar , did Omar say"knowwhatimean" at all?
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Ceetar
Jul 27 2009 01:57 PM
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He still respects Tony, and he was part of getting this team to the success, injuries aside, that it's had the last couple of years.
He doesn't regret any of the power or access that Tony was given, he thinks they worked well together, and it wasn't about power or access.
He was not aware of any issues before the HR report (which supposedly was started before the newspaper articles came out)
Tony wasn't the easiest person to get along with, but it can't all be making friends. (dodged the question about whether he was doing a good job)
Probably the position will be filled within the organization.
Says he was satisfied with the job Tony was doing.
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 01:57 PM
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"It was multiple [incidents]. When I looked at these multiple things, I felt I needed to make this decision."
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Ceetar
Jul 27 2009 01:58 PM
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="metirish":3hkpdoxm]Thanks ceetar , did Omar say"knowwhatimean" at all?[/quote:3hkpdoxm]
Didn't catch any. No idea if Jeff is there. haven't shown him.
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soupcan
Jul 27 2009 01:59 PM
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"I am trying my hardest to not sound like a completely illiterate moron but it is very hard to do."
Honestly, it is just painful to listen to Omar speak. Shouldn't a person have to have basic communication skills to be able to get a job like his?
I realize that English is his second language but give me a break
"There were, you know, interpersonal issues that uh, you know, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, we as an, uh organization, uh, you know, uh, uh don't, um, uh, agree with, youknowwhatI'msayin'?"
Embarrassing.
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Ceetar
Jul 27 2009 01:59 PM
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Juicy... Adam Rubin has been lobbying Omar and Tony for a player development position.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 02:01 PM
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="Ceetar":2l767mtf]Juicy... Adam Rubin has been lobbying Omar and Tony for a player development position.[/quote:2l767mtf]
come again, what does that mean?
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 02:02 PM
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"Adam Rubin started the reports on this" which "expedited the investigation."
Thus trying to erase the perception that the press knew before he did.
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 02:02 PM
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Wow. Making it seem like Rubin wanted a job with the Mets.
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Ceetar
Jul 27 2009 02:03 PM
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="metirish":ha3qki21]="Ceetar":ha3qki21]Juicy... Adam Rubin has been lobbying Omar and Tony for a player development position.[/quote:ha3qki21]
come again, what does that mean?[/quote:ha3qki21]
Rubin wanted a job with the Mets. Omar was thinking that he should take his report with a grain of salt, because maybe Rubin harbors ill feeling towards Tony given that he's been a rejected for a job.
Omar says he didn't think Rubin was trying to take Tony down, but it sounded like he was concerned about a conflict of interest.
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 02:03 PM
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NYPost_Mets Minaya just accused my Daily News counterpart of having an agenda because the Mets wouldn't hire him for a personnel job with the team. Wow.
NYPost_Mets Minaya just made a very serious ethical accusation against the Daily News' Adam Rubin. #Mets
NYPost_Mets I'm floored by the Omar Minaya/Adam Rubin angle. Not sure I've ever heard of anything like that in my time in the business. #Mets
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metsguyinmichigan
Jul 27 2009 02:04 PM
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A guy covering the team is openly asking for a job within the team? If that's true, he should be reassigned by the time you finish reading this sentence.
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Ceetar
Jul 27 2009 02:06 PM
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I don't see how it couldn't be true.
Denies the allegations that Jeff and Tony had a relationship.
This is degrading into a pissing match between Omar and Adam.
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seawolf17
Jul 27 2009 02:08 PM
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Come on, Omar. Rip your shirt off and threaten to fight him.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 02:08 PM
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Holy crap , I wondered in the Tony B thread last week if Rubin had an axe to grind with Bernazard......
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 02:08 PM
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="seawolf17":2bupzsqu]Come on, Omar. Rip your shirt off and threaten to fight him.[/quote:2bupzsqu]
Maybe Rubin will.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 02:09 PM
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This is reading like a bad daytime soap.....
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 02:09 PM
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Instead of the lead being "Mets Fire Exec", the lead is "Mets Accuse Reporter of Ethical Violation"
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 27 2009 02:10 PM
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WTF wow.
Jeff should walk over, fire Omar and continue the press conference.
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 02:10 PM
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Rubin and Omar going back and forth now.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 02:10 PM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2l84nzwo]WTF wow.
Jeff should walk over, fire Omar and continue the press conference.[/quote:2l84nzwo]
LOL....nearly spit out my fanta....
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Edgy DC
Jul 27 2009 02:10 PM
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Has a replacement been named?
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Methead
Jul 27 2009 02:10 PM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3oo6bsk7]WTF wow.
Jeff should walk over, fire Omar and continue the press conference.[/quote:3oo6bsk7]
Seriously.
It's become even more of a clusterfuck. Hilarious.
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Ceetar
Jul 27 2009 02:10 PM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3qp4zecj]WTF wow.
Jeff should walk over, fire Omar and continue the press conference.[/quote:3qp4zecj]
Why? Omar did nothing wrong. In fact, he's fighting back. I like it. Reporters have been pissing all over the Mets for years, and Omar's simply letting them know that he's not just going to take it.
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 02:11 PM
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They are filling the positions of "yeller at bus drivers", "degrader of teenagers", and "shirt ripper" from within.
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Swan Swan H
Jul 27 2009 02:12 PM
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Apparently the Rubin thing is true, as Rubin had the mic and didn't come out and call Omar a liar; instead, he went with the 'are you saying I tried to get a job by bringing others down?' tactic.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 02:12 PM
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I hope that SNY will air this all later.
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G-Fafif
Jul 27 2009 02:12 PM
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Who will announce the firing of Jeff Wilpon?
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 02:14 PM
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="G-Fafif":170fgwxi]Who will announce the firing of Jeff Wilpon?[/quote:170fgwxi]
Fred!
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 27 2009 02:15 PM
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="Ceetar":2gl5zgpu]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2gl5zgpu]WTF wow.
Jeff should walk over, fire Omar and continue the press conference.[/quote:2gl5zgpu]
Why? Omar did nothing wrong. In fact, he's fighting back. I like it. Reporters have been pissing all over the Mets for years, and Omar's simply letting them know that he's not just going to take it.[/quote:2gl5zgpu]
By pissing on him back? Not a good idea.
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Ceetar
Jul 27 2009 02:17 PM
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="bmfc1":ay4dc6ba]="G-Fafif":ay4dc6ba]Who will announce the firing of Jeff Wilpon?[/quote:ay4dc6ba]
Fred![/quote:ay4dc6ba]
Mr. Met should give all future press conferences.
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 02:17 PM
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He made it seem like Rubin had a vendetta which was irrelevant to the subject of the presser unless the information was false. Omar didn't say it was false. It's important, as MGIM said, but had nothing to do with firing Tony B.
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 02:18 PM
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[u:nurqe9ru]A Message from Mets General Manager Omar Minaya[/u:nurqe9ru]
I wanted for you to hear directly from me today regarding an update on the investigation of Tony Bernazard, our Vice President of Player Development.
Prior to a series of articles published in the media, our Baseball Operations and Human Resources departments had begun looking into several matters involving Tony. Once those reports became public, we accelerated our investigation. We wanted it to be thorough and complete it as quickly as possible while still being fair to Tony. That process concluded over the weekend.
Yesterday, I met with Tony in person to have a frank conversation about what we had learned following interviews with numerous people. I also wanted for Tony to have the opportunity to give his side of the story.
After meeting with Tony, and giving a lot of thought to the facts, I came to a decision on Tony's status which I shared with Ownership last night. My recommendation was that we needed to part ways with Tony, as his behavior in his interaction with others was inconsistent with our organization's values. Ownership agreed with my assessment and accepted my recommendation.
I spoke with Tony this morning and informed him of my decision to terminate his employment with the Mets.
Personnel decisions are never easy. And one can't make them without giving it a lot of thought. It's even harder when you know someone as I do Tony. Tony and I go back a long time. He is a dedicated baseball man who loves the game, someone I like and respect, and someone who has contributed to the Mets. In the end, however, I just told him I couldn't leave him in his position after all that had transpired.
As General Manager of the Mets, I am fully accountable for our Baseball Operations department -- on and off the field -- and stand by this decision.
Thank you for your ongoing support of the Mets.
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metsguyinmichigan
Jul 27 2009 02:19 PM
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Hey, I must rate! Omar sent me an e-mail!
I wanted for you to hear directly from me today regarding an update on the investigation of Tony Bernazard, our Vice President of Player Development.
Prior to a series of articles published in the media, our Baseball Operations and Human Resources departments had begun looking into several matters involving Tony. Once those reports became public, we accelerated our investigation. We wanted it to be thorough and complete it as quickly as possible while still being fair to Tony. That process concluded over the weekend.
Yesterday, I met with Tony in person to have a frank conversation about what we had learned following interviews with numerous people. I also wanted for Tony to have the opportunity to give his side of the story.
After meeting with Tony, and giving a lot of thought to the facts, I came to a decision on Tony's status which I shared with Ownership last night. My recommendation was that we needed to part ways with Tony, as his behavior in his interaction with others was inconsistent with our organization's values. Ownership agreed with my assessment and accepted my recommendation.
I spoke with Tony this morning and informed him of my decision to terminate his employment with the Mets.
Personnel decisions are never easy. And one can't make them without giving it a lot of thought. It's even harder when you know someone as I do Tony. Tony and I go back a long time. He is a dedicated baseball man who loves the game, someone I like and respect, and someone who has contributed to the Mets. In the end, however, I just told him I couldn't leave him in his position after all that had transpired.
As General Manager of the Mets, I am fully accountable for our Baseball Operations department -- on and off the field -- and stand by this decision.
Thank you for your ongoing support of the Mets.
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bmfc1
Jul 27 2009 02:20 PM
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NYPost_Mets There is no shortage of bad blood between Minaya and Rubin, so maybe this is Omar just trying to get some payback. No class. #Mets
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 02:22 PM
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Was this as farcical as I am thinking it was from reading here?
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soupcan
Jul 27 2009 02:28 PM
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I had to run out in the middle of the thing and missed all the juicy bits.
Good thing I got an email from Omar too. Interesting though that he writes much, much better than he speaks.
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Ceetar
Jul 27 2009 02:28 PM
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I'm polishing my resume to send to the Daily News right now.
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metsguyinmichigan
Jul 27 2009 02:36 PM
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From Metsblog...
"Rubin, in the audience, then told Minaya, to his face, that he is ‘despicable’ for alleging that he set out to ‘tear Tony down’ to take his job."
If this is true, Rubin should be reassigned. You can't engage in this kind of behavior with people you are supposed to be covering objectively.
Even if Omar accused him of injecting steroids into Clemens' butt and designing the Citi sleeve patch, as a professional you're supposed to sit there and take it, and deal with it later.
To become a part of the story, as Rubin now is, and openly engage Omar crosses the line.
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G-Fafif
Jul 27 2009 02:36 PM
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What office is Omar Minaya running for? He sounded like a politician 10 points down in the polls blaming the media for doing his job.
Yes Omar, it's the media's fault. A reporter is out to get you. Keep telling yourself that.
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Ceetar
Jul 27 2009 02:39 PM
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="G-Fafif":26qhjg30]What office is Omar Minaya running for? He sounded like a politician 10 points down in the polls blaming the media for doing his job.
Yes Omar, it's the media's fault. A reporter is out to get you. Keep telling yourself that.[/quote:26qhjg30]
He didn't say that though. It's questionable about whether the behavior of Tony was even the territory of a Mets beat reporter. Just like people bring up "how many people know the name of their vp of player development?" The reason we know? Adam Rubin.
He's admitting on the air now that he's interested in a job in baseball, but never asked specifically to be hired. Name drops Jeff Wilpon.
Omar certainly spinned it, and it worked. (btw, Jon Heyman is an idiot) Omar, and the Mets, aren't planning on just sitting back and taking every smear the media throws their way, and I like it.
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G-Fafif
Jul 27 2009 02:40 PM
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="metsguyinmichigan":4cccgn14]From Metsblog...
"Rubin, in the audience, then told Minaya, to his face, that he is ‘despicable’ for alleging that he set out to ‘tear Tony down’ to take his job."
If this is true, Rubin should be reassigned. You can't engage in this kind of behavior with people you are supposed to be covering objectively.
Even if Omar accused him of injecting steroids into Clemens' butt and designing the Citi sleeve patch, as a professional you're supposed to sit there and take it, and deal with it later.
To become a part of the story, as Rubin now is, and openly engage Omar crosses the line.[/quote:4cccgn14]
Rubin just said he doesn't know how he's gonna cover the team anymore. I can't quite blame him for his initial reaction, however. How is anybody supposed to think he's in a professional situation when Minaya is acting like a total amateur?
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G-Fafif
Jul 27 2009 02:43 PM
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="Ceetar":3uh2cnao]="G-Fafif":3uh2cnao]What office is Omar Minaya running for? He sounded like a politician 10 points down in the polls blaming the media for doing his job.
Yes Omar, it's the media's fault. A reporter is out to get you. Keep telling yourself that.[/quote:3uh2cnao]
He didn't say that though. It's questionable about whether the behavior of Tony was even the territory of a Mets beat reporter. Just like people bring up "how many people know the name of their vp of player development?" The reason we know? Adam Rubin.
He's admitting on the air now that he's interested in a job in baseball, but never asked specifically to be hired. Name drops Jeff Wilpon.
Omar certainly spinned it, and it worked. (btw, Jon Heyman is an idiot) Omar, and the Mets, aren't planning on just sitting back and taking every smear the media throws their way, and I like it.[/quote:3uh2cnao]
This isn't a schoolyard. It was amazingly unprofessional of Omar. You got a problem with Rubin, you take it up with him, you take it up with his editor, you whisper in the ear of another reporter from another paper if you have to. You do not do it this way. Even if Rubin was truly doing what Minaya claimed, you don't do that.
BTW, Rubin said he once asked Jeff Wilpon "how do you get a job in baseball?" and that's the extent of it.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 02:44 PM
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Rubin in player development ? , this part isn't true , is it?
It's a joke surely.
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Gwreck
Jul 27 2009 02:45 PM
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| ="Ceetar"]He didn't say that though. It's questionable about whether the behavior of Tony was even the territory of a Mets beat reporter. |
It absolutely is, if it's in the capacity of his job. Tony didn't caught smoking a joint while on vacation; this stuff happened while he was on the clock.
| ]Omar, and the Mets, aren't planning on just sitting back and taking every smear the media throws their way, and I like it. |
Yay for slander!
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Swan Swan H
Jul 27 2009 02:46 PM
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Rubin got caught in a conflict of interest, then tried to throw it back at Omar. He went on later and said, paraphrasing here, that he never directly asked for a job, just asked a bunch of people how he would go about getting a job in baseball.
So immediately we're taking Rubin at his word and calling Omar the liar?
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Edgy DC
Jul 27 2009 02:46 PM
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Rubin just put out a new edition of his book titled <i>Pedro, Carlos, and Omar, and My Big Hairy Cock</i>
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Gwreck
Jul 27 2009 02:47 PM
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="metirish":3w25xb5s]Rubin in player development ? , this part isn't true , is it?
It's a joke surely.[/quote:3w25xb5s]
What do you mean? A joke...
That Rubin wanted a job in player development?
Or that he wanted a job with the Mets?
Or that he is capable of performing such a job?
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G-Fafif
Jul 27 2009 02:49 PM
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If Rubin wanted a job on the Mets, I think we would have seen a lot more company line in his coverage these past several years. I've seen nothing that ever gave me the impression he was holding back or trying to curry favor. It never occurred to me you'd try to impress your potential future employers by continually noting how badly they run things -- that they'd be so grateful for pointing out their foibles that they'd hire you as the replacement.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 27 2009 02:50 PM
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="Ceetar"]| ="G-Fafif"]What office is Omar Minaya running for? He sounded like a politician 10 points down in the polls blaming the media for doing his job.
Yes Omar, it's the media's fault. A reporter is out to get you. Keep telling yourself that. |
| ]He didn't say that though. It's questionable about whether the behavior of Tony was even the territory of a Mets beat reporter. |
Questionable? Are you the editor of the Daily News?
| ]Just like people bring up "how many people know the name of their vp of player development?" The reason we know? Adam Rubin. |
Are you suggesting we'd have been better off not knowing this?
| ]He's admitting on the air now that he's interested in a job in baseball, but never asked specifically to be hired. Name drops Jeff Wilpon.
Omar certainly spinned it, and it worked. (btw, Jon Heyman is an idiot) Omar, and the Mets, aren't planning on just sitting back and taking every smear the media throws their way, and I like it. |
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It's worse than having a jerk employee.
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metsguyinmichigan
Jul 27 2009 02:52 PM
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="G-Fafif":1o1ji5oc]="metsguyinmichigan":1o1ji5oc]
Rubin just said he doesn't know how he's gonna cover the team anymore. I can't quite blame him for his initial reaction, however. How is anybody supposed to think he's in a professional situation when Minaya is acting like a total amateur?[/quote:1o1ji5oc][/quote:1o1ji5oc]
Sure he can. I had it recently happen to me. The school district I cover and its and the union have been fighting over a contract for the last three years, and someone friendly to the district taped a private union strategy session.
Someone in the session asked a question about me and covering the dispute, and the union said some things indicating they liked the coverage.
The district issued a press release and held a press conference beating up the union for some of the things it said, and also taking a shot at me. (Which some of my television competitors took great glee in repeating.)
We had another reporter cover the first press conference -- they held two that day -- and I attended the second, since we had already written about the issue.
Rather than engage them, I had to sit there and listen, and when one of the television types came over looking for a quote I turned them away.
I say this realizing that the New York market is obviously much different than mine, and there's a difference between a columnist and a reporter.
But Rubin should have known better.
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Gwreck
Jul 27 2009 02:53 PM
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Some more from Rubin, from last week:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2 ... tions.html
| ]Jon Heyman mentioned on WFAN that all the sources for these Bernezard stories were coming from one paper i.e. the Daily News. How credible are your sources and do you have an axe to grind? Also you mentioned that Bernezard has been angling for Minaya's job "for a long time." I've never heard that before, just that he's a disruptive bully. If Omar were fired would the Wilpons really look to hire Tony B.? - Anup
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This is the question I've been waiting for.
On the proposition that all of the stories about Bernazard are coming from one paper, let me answer that two-fold: Newsday, Ken Davidoff in particular, wrote a scatching column not too long ago, if I recall, about him. The Post has written some pretty scathing things too. I would submit, without trying to sound arrogant, that most of the breaking news about the Mets in general comes from one paper.
On whether there's any vendetta, that's silly. There are two ways to do your job as a reporter. You can attach yourself to certain sources (whether that person be an agent or a front-office official) and write whatever they want, whether it's true or not, and they'll leak real news when it actually happens. Or you can just seek the truth, try to gain everyone's respect, and hopefully that serves you well in terms of people trusting you with info. I choose the latter. People don't mind warranted criticism as long as they feel like they're being treated fairly.
Actually, there is a vendetta against Bernazard. He's widely hated in baseball, and by a lot of Mets minor leaguers, major leaguers, coaches and other staff. And when people see he's vulnerable, they're going to pounce and leak information. That's what's happening now. Lesson for everyone in life: Don't treat people poorly on the way up.
If Omar did get pushed out, at one point I certainly could see Bernazard taking over. Now that's just not presentable to the public, is it?
My intention was not to stir it up with these remarks. But, trust me, I'd match my ethics up with anyone. And if anyone in the media wants to take a more pointed shot, well, just remember about glass houses. |
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Frayed Knot
Jul 27 2009 02:54 PM
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If true, Rubin wouldn't be the first person to go from the media covering a team to working for the team*.
The question(s) that need to be cleared up are how did Rubin go about this (if he even did) and what set Omar off about it to where he thinks he has something to gain by going after him.
* Off the top of my head:
Michael Kay - Yanx (NY Post beat writer, to radio man, to all-around YES man)
In the early days of the Islanders, Newsday's Pat Calabria was the beat reporter. He later went to work for the club as pr/communications director or some such title
Larry Rocca works (or has) w/Bobby V in Japan after covering the team for Newsday
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 27 2009 02:58 PM
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Yes but to suggest that Rubin stirred this whole thing up so as to exact revenge on the Mets for not having given him a job is beyond absurd.
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metsguyinmichigan
Jul 27 2009 02:58 PM
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BTW, I'm not defending Omar for what he did. It was weak and unprofessional.
But people we cover do all kinds of crazy stuff. You're supposed to cover the circus, not become a part of it.
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Gwreck
Jul 27 2009 02:59 PM
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Jon Heyman indicated (on TV) that Omar was unhappy that he had to fire Bernazard and that the decision was not entirely his (ie. suggesting that the Wilpons went above his "full autonomy").
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Frayed Knot
Jul 27 2009 03:06 PM
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| ]Mr. Met should give all future press conferences. |
Certainly fewer stupid things would be said.
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Frayed Knot
Jul 27 2009 03:18 PM
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Joined this conversation late so I turned on FAN trying to catch up ... unfortunately it's Benigno & Roberts on intelligent talk is nowhere to be found.
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G-Fafif
Jul 27 2009 03:20 PM
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Just saw the exchange as it happened on SNY. Rubin conducted himself professionally. Omar came off as accusatory, paranoid and clueless.
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G-Fafif
Jul 27 2009 03:26 PM
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Synergy alert: Mets accuse News reporter of underhanded behavior, televised on SNY, owned partly by Mets. SNY follows with show called Daily News Live and has reporter on as guest to dispute Mets' account.
House of mirrors.
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Valadius
Jul 27 2009 03:43 PM
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Knowing the Washington Nationals, he'll be brought in as General Manager any second now...
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Fman99
Jul 27 2009 03:55 PM
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="metsguyinmichigan":2q4ypyqe]Hey, I must rate! Omar sent me an e-mail! [/quote:2q4ypyqe]
That's nothing. Tony Bernazard sent me pictures of Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno.
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Kong76
Jul 27 2009 03:55 PM
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I can't see Omar surviving this. The next press conference will be 3:00 on
Monday, August 3rd announcing his dismissal.
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Nymr83
Jul 27 2009 04:38 PM
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="Kong76":2vyypmlu]I can't see Omar surviving this. The next press conference will be 3:00 on
Monday, August 3rd announcing his dismissal.[/quote:2vyypmlu]
I say he lasts until Thursday, August 13th... might as well fill the off-day with something to generate news.
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Kong76
Jul 27 2009 04:46 PM
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I didn't realize he has a full three more years after this under contract.
Maybe they'll just fire Jerry on Monday at 3:00 if the Mets play poorly
this weekend.
This franchise is beyond bizzaro sometimes.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 05:00 PM
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Per SNY Jeff Wilpon and Minaya will speak to the press in the next few minutes
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 05:41 PM
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Omar hummed and hawed about bringing up the Rubin issue in the wrong place , Gary Cohen said Minaya stands by what he said though. They also said Jeff Wilpon remarked that it is very common for press guys to ask his advice on how to get a job in baseball...with an organization that is.
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soupcan
Jul 27 2009 07:14 PM
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="metirish":1jyuugqc]Omar hummed and hawed...[/quote:1jyuugqc]
That's being nice irish. Again, Omar sounded like an illiterate boob.
He cannot speak!
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A Boy Named Seo
Jul 27 2009 07:30 PM
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="metirish":2ws987f9]You gotta hold a press conference for that?, issue a press release and get it over with.[/quote:2ws987f9]
Bingo bango. You should lobby Jeff for a job. Talk shit about peeps to get it, if you have to.
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Edgy DC
Jul 27 2009 07:44 PM
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Bobby Valenitne has a GM/manager hybrid job coming up.
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Fman99
Jul 27 2009 07:48 PM
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="Edgy DC":3oad47yi]Bobby Valenitne has a GM/manager hybrid job coming up.[/quote:3oad47yi]
He's got my vote. Konnichiwa Bobby!
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Methead
Jul 27 2009 07:48 PM
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If Jeff Wilpon really gets a call per week from people looking for career advice, then he certainly won't mind if I call.
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metirish
Jul 27 2009 07:49 PM
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="soupcan":hfbbduwr]="metirish":hfbbduwr]Omar hummed and hawed...[/quote:hfbbduwr]
That's being nice irish. Again, Omar sounded like an illiterate boob.
He cannot speak![/quote:hfbbduwr]
Minaya under stress sounds even worse than he usually does.
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PiggiesTomatoes
Jul 27 2009 07:57 PM
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Thanks for the thread. I missed the clusterfuck and didn't realize Tony B. had been fired until seeing a crawl a couple innings ago. Very Knick-like. This crap has to end.
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Nymr83
Jul 27 2009 08:10 PM
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theres a method to minaya's madness... i'd normally turn this thing off after the final out, but now i want to see what jerry has to say when they ask him about the pre-game idiocy.
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Edgy DC
Jul 27 2009 08:31 PM
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Omar needs a pile of wins to preserve himself, so look for the internet to fill with "All this winning is terrible" posts.
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Nymr83
Jul 27 2009 08:53 PM
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a pile of wins could stop the story from blowing up even further. Though you'd have to think the Daily News will be gunning for Omar until fired at this point, and the others will follow suit in a typical "i better write about what the other guy writes about" media orgy.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 27 2009 09:29 PM
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| ="Methead"]If Jeff Wilpon really gets a call per week from people looking for career advice, then he certainly won't mind if I call. |
"Mr. Wilpon, I've been hemming and hawing between obstetrics and oncology..."
"Kid, no matter what you choose, just make sure you stick with it, regardless of the results, or what your own instincts tell you, or what trusted friends tell you... you've got to stick with it until it's way past too late to change.
Then, if you need to, you make a change. But not until it's WAAAAAAAAY too late. Got it?"
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 27 2009 09:31 PM
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="Nymr83":gq5x8wjs]a pile of wins could stop the story from blowing up even further. Though you'd have to think the Daily News will be gunning for Omar until fired at this point, and the others will follow suit in a typical "i better write about what the other guy writes about" media orgy.[/quote:gq5x8wjs]
Um... you think his staying on is at all tenable? Really?
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Nymr83
Jul 27 2009 10:15 PM
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i think its very hard to fire someone that you owe three more years of salary to and that the Wilpons could always fire him in September (steal a backpage when they're dying) if things dont blow over.
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themetfairy
Jul 28 2009 06:31 AM
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[url=http://lisa-olson.fanhouse.com/2009/07/28/dysfunctional-mets-fit-for-a-straitjacket/:3hh96qwk]Lisa Olson rules, as always[/url:3hh96qwk].
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duan
Jul 28 2009 06:38 AM
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Omar Minaya was way past a line throwing that out there unless he had something he was actually willing to stand over.
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Ashie62
Jul 28 2009 07:57 AM
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I guess Omar can't say Bernazard had a moment all to common to active alcoholics
Rubin & Omar should have to spend the rest of their lives on an island for the remainder of there lives starting tomorrow..
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Edgy DC
Jul 28 2009 07:58 AM
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This is where I'm curious. Does this hurt the organization's standing with the team? Does it affect their play?
<blockquote>Mets players stunned by strange day at Citi
Tuesday, July 28, 2009
By KATIE STRANG <i><a href="mailto:caitlin.strang@newsday.com">caitlin.strang@newsday.com</a></i>
What began as a routine news conference to announce the dismissal of Mets executive Tony Bernazard took a bizarre turn Mondaywhen general manager Omar Minaya accused Daily News sportswriter Adam Rubin -- whose reporting played a role in Bernazard's firing -- of improper conduct.
In the Mets' clubhouse, the players were just as stunned as viewers watching at home.
"Absolutely," Mets catcher Brian Schneider said when asked if it were one of the most outlandish news conferences the players had ever seen. "Just like Adam didn't expect it, neither did we. It was just kind of quiet, because we were all listening."
Carlos Delgado did not see the live broadcast but heard enough about it.
"I'm surprised, but anything can happen here," Delgado said. "I wish I would've saw it. I don't want to say it's funny, because it's obviously not funny, it's a very sensitive situation, but maybe there was something out of line and needed to be addressed."
Most players -- who were in disbelief in a clubhouse that became circus-like after the news conference -- believe the situation is something that needs to be worked out between Minaya and Rubin, but a couple of players circled the wagons to defend their boss.
"If Rubin did what he did, if he asked for a job like Omar said he did, I think he should step out and say, 'Yeah, I did,' '' Carlos Beltran said. "I know Omar and he's an honest guy. I believe he's saying the truth."
Gary Sheffield said he did not know what to make of the finger-pointing episode. "I don't know who's telling the truth. I don't know the reporter very well, but I believe Omar is a pretty credible guy," said Sheffield, who said at least a couple of players were laughing while watching the showdown unfold.
David Wright said he heard the "rumblings" but had not yet heard the whole story. Said Wright, "You never know what to expect."</blockquote>
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Ashie62
Jul 28 2009 08:03 AM
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Little or no effect on team play..at least not with Wright, it seems like he could of cared less or was simply embarrassed possibly.
Winning cures all. 4 in a row tonight
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Centerfield
Jul 28 2009 08:47 AM
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The cynic in me wonders if the press conference was held (rather than a simple press release) specifically so Omar could (whether instructed or not) attack Rubin.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 28 2009 11:43 AM
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| ="Centerfield"]The cynic in me wonders if the press conference was held (rather than a simple press release) specifically so Omar could (whether instructed or not) attack Rubin. |
Big WINNAH! Anything from row 1 or 2 for the WINNAH!
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metirish
Jul 29 2009 09:29 AM
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Just for prosperities sake here is the Wilpon Q&A
 
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Today's Q & A with Jeff Wilpon
Tuesday July 28, 2009 9:52 PM By David Lennon
Opening apologies:
“After what went on yesterday, I thought it was important on behalf of ownership to come out and talk to everybody. I know a lot of you have called and I apologize for not returning the calls and stuff, but you know we’re very sorry about what happened yesterday. It was the wrong forum, the wrong time, a wrong situation for Omar to express himself in that way.”
“I have a call into Adam [Rubin] right now to apologize on behalf of myself, the organization, ownership and I know I’m going to ask him if he’ll accept a call from omar. Omar would very much like to call him and apologize for the venue that he took to embarrass him and talk to him in that manner and I’m hoping that Adam will accept that phone call, and I hope he accepts my phone call and the apology from the organization.”
Is Minaya sorry?
“Omar is extremely remorseful. Omar is upset about this. This has taken a toll on him in a very big way. I think he’s feeling the effects of what he did. He was angry. He was upset. A little bit about Tony, a little bit about some of the things that have been portrayed about the organization, trying to protect it.”
“I think he really understands he made a very large mistake here and he’s apologized to ownership, he’s apologized to a bunch of the staff, he understands he put us in a bad spot here.”
Did Rubin act inappropriately?
“In terms of what Adam did with me, he did nothing wrong. Like I said last night, there are people that come to me all the time and want to know about the sports business, want to know about the real estate business, and what I try to do is be helpful to them in terms of putting them in touch with other people or having a conversation with them about what they might want to do with their career.”
I did put Adam in touch with Curt Gowdy Jr. on the network side. I did put him in touch with [assistant GM] John Ricco on the baseball side, I didn’t think twice about it because it does happen a lot.”
What is Minaya apologizing for?
“Omar will have to address his comments. I know he’s told me he’s remorseful about what he said, and what was done, and I can only apologize from the organization standpoint. Omar made a mistake and he admitted to me that he made a mistake, and he’s apologetic for his mistake.”
Minaya’s state of mind?
“Omar’s around. As I said, he’s not in a great state right now, this has taken a great toll on him, and I think if you guys can give him a day or so, he’ll be back to Omar. And if we can all give him a chance, I think he’ll come back and make this organization proud.”
Are you supporting him as GM?
“Yeah. Omar’s our general manager. Omar’s going to be our general manager.”
“He hasn’t been reprimanded. I think his remorse in what he’s shown is his sorrow for this and what he knows he did, the collateral damage it caused me, the collateral damage it caused my father, my uncle, the organization as a whole, he feels bad for. And I think that’s more punishment than anybody can ever put on him.”
What damage did Monday’s fiasco do?
“It hurt the organization. Omar admitted he hurt the organization, and he feels bad about that, and we’ll overcome it. It didn’t go to our values. He didn’t do the right thing. And all I can do is apologize for that and Omar will do that at the right time as well. We have to move on from there and rebuild ourselves.
What was Fred Wilpon’s reaction?
“Same as mine. He sort of couldn’t believe it was happening when it was happening. I don’t think a lot of us could believe it was happening when it was happening. He was just very angry and got out of his usual mode of dealing with the media and press conferences and stuff, and I think that is what you saw.”
Did you know Minaya was going to attack Rubin?
“Absolutely not. I didn’t have any knowledge, he didn’t talk to us about it. Omar had been upset with some of the things in the paper, I knew that. But going into this press conference yesterday was to talk about Tony, talk about the situation with Tony and why he was letting Tony go. It had nothing to do with Adam at the time he went into that conference.”
Is Minaya still in hot water?
“No. I think he knows what he did and I think he knows what the values we want to have here in our organization and he’s willing to deal with the consequences of it.”
Did Minaya understand the impact of his accusations?
“I think he does regret that. I think he has to answer that. I’m talking about what he said. The question was to me, and what I thought. Did I think Adam stepped over the line? I don’t believe that in terms of my dealings with Adam.
Are you going to take a more visible role going forward?
“The problem is it was Omar’s direct report that he was talking about, so for me to go in and do a press conference for Omar, for his direct report, that’s never happened before and I don’t think it should happen. Omar knows how to deal with the press and press conferences -- that’s his job. So I don’t think I would do it any differently.”
Was Bernazard fired for performance or behavior?
“I think our minor leagues – and I think Omar can talk to this better than I can – but he believes are minor leagues are in good shape. He spent a couple of days in Florida and was very happy with some of the A-ball kids. This thing with Tony hurt him, Omar, and it hurt me. I was very close with Tony and I learned a lot from him.”
What’s the Mets’ overall direction right now?
“We need to do better. We need to do better. Ownership is not happy with the direction right now and obviously we have to play better on the field. We need to get the guys back. Once that happens, we’ll see how well this team can do. But it is disappointing, and I can understand the fans’ disappointment as well.”
Does Minaya’s future depend on the next two monts? Or is he the GM for 2010?
Right now, the idea is that Omar is our general manager -- period.
Do you need to become more visible?
“Omar is the face of the organization when it comes to the overall direction. Jerry [Manuel] is our face of the organization when it comes to the day-to-day baseball. I’m here, believe me. I’ve got my finger on the pulse. You might not see me, but I’m here.”
Has Minaya been compromised by his behavior?
“I think he can get through it. I think right now it compromised him a little bit, yeah.”
How is Minaya doing?
“He’s really hurt by this guys. I don’t know how to explain it any better. He was visibly shaken yesterday. He was visibly shaken again today. I spent a good amount of time with him today. He’s still doing his job. He needs a day.”
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Edgy DC
Jul 29 2009 10:09 AM
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| ]Omar knows how to deal with the press and press conferences. |
That's kind of bogus.
| ]I’ve got my finger on the pulse. |
And that's kind of empty.
Otherwise, good job by Jeff.
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Kong76
Jul 29 2009 10:33 AM
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I saw that whole Q & A with Jeffie and came away from it thinking he really
ain't the dope that everyone on the internet makes him out to be. Not saying
I particularly like him either, and I don't know all that much about him, but
jeez alou for years and years he's just been hammered like a piece of crap.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 29 2009 10:38 AM
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I think Jeff handled this the right way. He had to establish that Omar wasn't speaking for the organization, but that the organization realized it needed to apologize on his behalf, and that doing that kinda stuff puts people's jobs in jeopardy.
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dgwphotography
Jul 29 2009 10:55 AM
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I have to say, I think Jeffrey handled everything very well yesterday, but what Lunchbucket said about him is still echoing in my head...
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metsguyinmichigan
Jul 29 2009 11:58 AM
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If Jeff wearing a wig, or is there really a barber that charges for a haircut that bad?
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Edgy DC
Jul 29 2009 12:00 PM
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It's something I've long wanted to ask in a chat with one of the beat guys.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 29 2009 12:11 PM
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="dgwphotography":3vlw8t9c]I have to say, I think Jeffrey handled everything very well yesterday, but what Lunchbucket said about him is still echoing in my head...[/quote:3vlw8t9c]
What was that?
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metirish
Jul 29 2009 12:17 PM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2garmnt0]="dgwphotography":2garmnt0]I have to say, I think Jeffrey handled everything very well yesterday, but what Lunchbucket said about him is still echoing in my head...[/quote:2garmnt0]
What was that?[/quote:2garmnt0]
No idea what you said that is stuck in Dgw's head but the quote I remember from JCL about Jeff is " Jeff is the guy that gives millionaires a bad name " , this after Jeff sniffed something about diversifying his portfolio in the wake of the Madoff scandal.
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dgwphotography
Jul 29 2009 02:52 PM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":20sad8fv]="dgwphotography":20sad8fv]I have to say, I think Jeffrey handled everything very well yesterday, but what Lunchbucket said about him is still echoing in my head...[/quote:20sad8fv]
What was that?[/quote:20sad8fv]
Your Marty Noble quote.
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Frayed Knot
Jul 29 2009 02:58 PM
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Eddie C's speculation on what set Omar on the road to anti-Runin-ism:
When the press conference got delayed (as it always seems to be) SNY had some time to kill and spent part of it with Burkhardt interviewing Rubin. This was shown on the TVs in both the offices and clubhouse and apparently some thought they heard some gloating in his answers at having "gotten" Tony. Ergo that ticks Omar off and leads to the impromptu verbal caning.
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dgwphotography
Jul 29 2009 03:00 PM
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I didn't see that. If he was indeed gloating, that would take him down a few pegs in my eyes.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 29 2009 03:05 PM
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Didn't see it, either.
But, well, let's just say you can't add false modesty to his list of sins (following is from his rebuttal in yesterday's Snooze):
| ]I want to get something straight.
Everything I wrote about Tony Bernazard - bombshell stories that appeared in the pages of the Daily News over the last week - is accurate.
My reporting was solid, met the journalistic standards of sourcing and beyond and was untainted by any personal agenda on my part.
The Mets fired Bernazard Monday, after conducting an investigation that presumably reflected the damning information contained in my stories. |
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Frayed Knot
Jul 29 2009 03:11 PM
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And Eddie admits to not having seen it either, but rather got that idea via some of those who had both seen it and liked Tony meaning that the perception of Rubin's attitude was filtered through those eyes & ears.
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G-Fafif
Jul 29 2009 03:12 PM
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| ="Frayed Knot"]Eddie C's speculation on what set Omar on the road to anti-Runin-ism:
When the press conference got delayed (as it always seems to be) SNY had some time to kill and spent part of it with Burkhardt interviewing Rubin. This was shown on the TVs in both the offices and clubhouse and apparently some thought they heard some gloating in his answers at having "gotten" Tony. Ergo that ticks Omar off and leads to the impromptu verbal caning. |
Somehow I'm reminded of Oscar Madison hiring a jokewriter to come up with zingers to spring on Howard Cosell...and Felix tearing them up, rescuing them from the wastebasket and delivering them out of order.
| ]I wish some relative of yours would die and leave you some wax fruit!
I'd like to see Evel Knievel jump over your Bermuda shorts!
You know your Lautrec is too loose? |
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bmfc1
Jul 29 2009 03:55 PM
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="Frayed Knot":ugqsyia0]Eddie C's speculation on what set Omar on the road to anti-Runin-ism:
When the press conference got delayed (as it always seems to be) SNY had some time to kill and spent part of it with Burkhardt interviewing Rubin. This was shown on the TVs in both the offices and clubhouse and apparently some thought they heard some gloating in his answers at having "gotten" Tony. Ergo that ticks Omar off and leads to the impromptu verbal caning.[/quote:ugqsyia0]
Had to have been whispered to Eddie C. from within the organization in a lame attempt to cover Omar's tracks.
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Edgy DC
Jul 29 2009 05:08 PM
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I'm going to guess no.
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bmfc1
Jul 29 2009 05:39 PM
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Coleman isn't an investigative reporter. He didn't come up with that on his own.
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Frayed Knot
Jul 29 2009 05:46 PM
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="bmfc1":331y6747]Coleman isn't an investigative reporter. He didn't come up with that on his own.[/quote:331y6747]
Eddie may not be a turn over every rock kind of reporter but he is in the locker room talking to people on a regular basis and at least implied (both in writing and in the radio chat I heard) that it was his speculation based on what some said that that was what set Omar off.
Plus if mgmt is the one feeding him that angle I don't see how they think that makes them look any better.
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bmfc1
Jul 29 2009 05:48 PM
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Fair enough FK--you heard it, I didn't. I was just suggesting that it's possible that someone in the Mets front office was still trying to cover Omar's tracks. After the other day, anything is possible.
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Kong76
Jul 29 2009 06:21 PM
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This whole saga just needs to go away already.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 29 2009 07:17 PM
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="G-Fafif":ti9im9j6][
Somehow I'm reminded of Oscar Madison hiring a jokewriter to come up with zingers to spring on Howard Cosell...and Felix tearing them up, rescuing them from the wastebasket and delivering them out of order.
[/quote:ti9im9j6]
Omar should have called Rubin an inane drone.
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Rockin' Doc
Jul 29 2009 07:37 PM
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Omar should have called Rubin an assclown.
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Fman99
Jul 29 2009 07:48 PM
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Punch -> neck
Kick -> cunt
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metirish
Jul 30 2009 12:14 PM
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referring to himself in the third person Minaya apologized today
NY Mets general manager Omar Minaya apologizes for causing 'distraction' by criticizing reporter
by Brian Costa/The Star-Ledger
Thursday July 30, 2009, 11:26 AM
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NEW YORK -- Mets general manager Omar Minaya apologized again Thursday for his conduct during Monday's press conference to announce the firing of Tony Bernazard, during which he got into a heated exchange with a reporter. Minaya said he met with New York Daily News reporter Adam Rubin to apologize in person Wednesday.
"You guys know me," Minaya said. "That's just not the way Omar Minaya is, that's not what I stand for, but the bottom line is I made a mistake. The bottom line is that you make a mistake, and I admit to making a mistake in bringing up the things that I did."
Sitting in the Mets' dugout before Thursday's doubleheader against the Rockies at Citi Field, Minaya said the fallout from Monday has been a distraction as Friday's non-waiver trade deadline approaches. But he said it hasn't kept him from being active in trade talks.
"I've been talking to teams, guys," Minaya said. "I turned down a couple of trades yesterday. I mean, I talked to some teams and believe it or not we had some pretty big names that were presented. That being said, if you talk to general managers around the league, I've been calling around. We have some ideas." |
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