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Football 2009
LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 07 2009 09:27 AM |
So, Crabtree's taking an... um... innovative negotiating tack, and the Jets' prettyboy QB may be starting to outplay Sling Blade.
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Valadius Aug 07 2009 11:00 AM |
The Titans will be wearing a "9" decal on their helmets all season to honor Steve McNair.
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cooby Aug 09 2009 08:29 PM |
The Steelers will win it again
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Elster88 Aug 09 2009 08:34 PM |
Hi cooby.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 10 2009 12:39 PM |
[quote="cooby":31txbu9n]The Steelers will win it again[/quote:31txbu9n]
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metirish Aug 10 2009 12:51 PM |
I couldn't believe there was a game on TV last night , the HOF game with TO hyped as the reason I should watch.
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seawolf17 Aug 10 2009 12:53 PM |
He got traded to Kansas City.
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HahnSolo Aug 10 2009 01:26 PM |
I did like the Titans' Oilers throwback jerseys and helmets.
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Frayed Knot Aug 10 2009 01:45 PM |
[quote="HahnSolo":3bestqis]I did like the Titans' Oilers throwback jerseys and helmets.[/quote:3bestqis]
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 10 2009 04:04 PM |
[quote="Frayed Knot":3dya78xu][quote="HahnSolo":3dya78xu]I did like the Titans' Oilers throwback jerseys and helmets.[/quote:3dya78xu]
I was surprised at that. How'd you feel if you were a Houston fan and the team that deserted you decides to "celebrate" the fact that your team no longer exists while on national TV?
The only good thing the NFL did in handling the blatant carpet-bagging they allowed to go on (and it took them a while to get around to it) was making the relocated team choose a new name and color scheme. But now here they are signing off on a spit in the face at that too.[/quote:3dya78xu]
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cooby Aug 10 2009 05:55 PM |
[quote="Elster88":2hu1zznm]Hi cooby.[/quote:2hu1zznm]
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Frayed Knot Aug 10 2009 06:10 PM |
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That sounds like a typical NFL move -- celebrate the history of the league they first tried to drive out of business. When the AFL first surfaced they couldn't do enough to try and deny its existence: wouldn't give scores, mocked its differences, tried to restrict TV access, etc. Later on, once they later merged with it (read: took it over), they were all too happy to claim its history as theirs.
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Elster88 Aug 10 2009 08:52 PM |
[quote="cooby":3sd815tl][quote="Elster88":3sd815tl]Hi cooby.[/quote:3sd815tl]
Hi Elster, how've you been? :)[/quote:3sd815tl]
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Nymr83 Aug 13 2009 06:50 PM |
Michael Vick is a Philadelphia Eagle.
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MFS62 Aug 13 2009 07:27 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 13 2009 09:49 PM |
[quote="Nymr83":1q5h63is]Michael Vick is a Philadelphia Eagle.[/quote:1q5h63is]
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Valadius Aug 13 2009 09:06 PM |
Not a big surprise.
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Nymr83 Aug 13 2009 09:18 PM |
i'm a bit suprised. vick was never great and i figured nobody would want the radioactive negative publicity that comes with him, i expected that, like barry bonds, who was great and committed far lesser offenses, he wouldn't find a team willing to take on the bad pr
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metirish Aug 14 2009 06:56 AM |
[quote="Nymr83":ielgp02w]i'm a bit suprised. vick was never great and i figured nobody would want the radioactive negative publicity that comes with him, i expected that, like barry bonds, who was great and committed far lesser offenses, he wouldn't find a team willing to take on the bad pr[/quote:ielgp02w]
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Frayed Knot Aug 14 2009 07:37 AM |
The NFL is totally teflon when it comes to bad publicity so it hardly matters.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 14 2009 09:42 AM |
Between McCoy, Westbrook, and Mad Dog, you can bet both yer kidneys they'll be running a Wildcat/option offense at some point this year.
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Nymr83 Aug 14 2009 06:37 PM |
Bets on the number of PETA protesters outside the first home game?
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Frayed Knot Aug 14 2009 07:11 PM |
It'll be like the Martha Burke protests at the Masters a few years back where the media assigned to cover the protest out-number the protesters themselves.
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cooby Aug 15 2009 02:56 PM |
My friend and office mate Mike is a mighty Eagles fan. WHen I saw this story, I emailed it to him, with a note of "Congratulations".
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cooby Aug 15 2009 02:57 PM |
[quote="Elster88":2duevwjb][quote="cooby":2duevwjb][quote="Elster88":2duevwjb]Hi cooby.[/quote:2duevwjb]
Hi Elster, how've you been? :)[/quote:2duevwjb]
Good, and you? Your Steelers ought to have an easy road to the division title, I predict bad things for Baltimore this year. As long as Big Ben puts the sex scandal behind him.[/quote:2duevwjb]
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Frayed Knot Aug 16 2009 07:25 PM |
So CBS - who just happens to have one half of the NFL TV package - uses their top prime-time news program and turns over a segment to one of their sports guys for a highly publicized interview with Michael Vick.
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Nymr83 Aug 20 2009 11:20 AM |
Cross Plaxico Burress off the Jets WR wishlist, he pled guilty to attempted criminal possession of a weapon and got 2 years in jail.
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MFS62 Aug 20 2009 07:12 PM |
[quote="Nymr83":2ae3cicm]Cross Plaxico Burress off the Jets WR wishlist, he pled guilty to attempted criminal possession of a weapon and got 2 years in jail.[/quote:2ae3cicm]
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metirish Aug 21 2009 07:37 AM |
His perma tanned lawyer on the news saying Plax has a long career a head of him
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Nymr83 Aug 21 2009 11:05 AM |
he shouldnt have much trouble finding a job in 2 years, its 20 months with good behavior making him ready for training camp 2011, and nobody is going to be upset over a guy who shot himself finding a job, not in a league that employs Ray Lewis and Dante Stallworth.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 21 2009 12:04 PM |
It's not like he's getting any shorter/shorter-limbed in the next two years, right?
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Farmer Ted Aug 21 2009 04:22 PM |
Ocho Cinco kicked an extra point in the exhib. against BeliCHICK. He tagged it good.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 05:28 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 23 2009 05:13 PM |
So, Dallas built a new stadium during the offseason, right? And by all accounts-- especially their own-- it's like football Versailles, complete with a four-sided, 160-foot-by-90-foot (!) electronic video screen/scoreboard at midfield.
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metirish Aug 22 2009 05:31 PM |
The look on the face of Jones when the camera cut to him was priceless.
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metirish Aug 24 2009 10:53 AM |
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Not the least surprising that the punting into the huge video screen was a known problem
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Gwreck Aug 24 2009 11:49 AM |
Yeah, maybe the screen is too low. But it's still *really* cool, IMO.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 25 2009 10:16 AM |
I'm okay with Sanchez as QB now.
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Valadius Sep 10 2009 06:34 PM Re: Football 2009 |
I am REALLY missing John Madden right now.
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Kong76 Sep 10 2009 06:45 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Valad: I am REALLY missing John Madden right now <<< Those late nights cuddling in The Cruiser?
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 11 2009 08:20 AM Re: Football 2009 |
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"See, what you got right here, is, you got a guy, who doesn't know what he's talking about. You got a guy who doesn't remember how bad Madden had gotten in recent years. See, he starts out great, doing something nobody's done before. Before you know it, he's talking, he's talking, then... BOOM. He's a parody of himself right there, no doubt about it." Collinsworth may be a little bit of a ninny, but he generally knows his stuff-- I don't think any color guy in any sport does more research than the guy. Besides, Val-- it's not like JM's unemployed:
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Kong76 Sep 14 2009 06:30 PM Re: Football 2009 |
They should have two Monday Night Football games every week. It's 8:30 and almost halftime already ... love it. (I have to admit I always liked that old Patriots logo too)
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The Second Spitter Sep 14 2009 07:13 PM Re: Football 2009 |
I'm actually quite partial to Buffalo's old logo.
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Frayed Knot Sep 14 2009 08:07 PM Re: Football 2009 |
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 15 2009 08:48 AM Re: Football 2009 |
Thought the throwback unis in the early game-- throwbacks or no-- looked smashing, and far better than the usual overly-piped, weird-side-panel-loaded bid'ness. Buffalo's unis in particular were absolutely gorgeous. (The overblitzing, loose-covering two-minute defense? Not so.) [quote="Frayed Knot":ww95628w]Bears LB Brian Urlacher gone for the season with a dislocated wrist. OK, that sounds really painful.[/quote:ww95628w] Apparently, he tweeted the news to teammates/friends. Dumb question: how did he tweet if his dominant wrist was unusable/newly operated-upon?
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MFS62 Sep 15 2009 09:12 AM Re: Football 2009 |
The Raiders got screwed by the ref last night. The wide receiver had the ball in his hands, landed in the end zone(both feet), then lost the ball as he fell to the ground in the grasp of the defender after he had landed. It is a touchdown! He crossed the plane of the goal line with the ball in his posession. Of course, the replay ref took the touchdown away. The Raiders had to settle for a field goal. They lost by the difference in the points. Later
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Centerfield Sep 15 2009 10:50 AM Re: Football 2009 |
Did anyone see the Bears/Packers game Sunday night? That decision to go for it on 4th and 11 may have been the worst decision I've seen since I started watching football. No exaggeration. Unbelievably bad.
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The Second Spitter Sep 15 2009 08:48 PM Re: Football 2009 |
I don't know, Leodis McKelvin's decision to run the ball out of his own endzone with less than 2 minutes to go is pretty much up there.
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Nymr83 Sep 15 2009 09:18 PM Re: Football 2009 |
[quote="Triple Dee":1nnsf7hc]I don't know, Leodis McKelvin's decision to run the ball out of his own endzone with less than 2 minutes to go is pretty much up there.[/quote:1nnsf7hc] oh thats gotta be #1 so far this year: -you're winning -theres barely any time left -your HANDS TEAM is on the field to recover a potential onside kick, so the blockers you usualyl have arent even out there and everyone but you is downfield. idiot.
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Edgy DC Sep 15 2009 09:23 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Joe Pisarcik is feeling redeemed.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 16 2009 08:51 AM Re: Football 2009 Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 16 2009 09:03 AM |
[quote="Triple Dee":2f4x6nve]I don't know, Leodis McKelvin's decision to run the ball out of his own endzone with less than 2 minutes to go is pretty much up there.[/quote:2f4x6nve] Well, to be fair, he ran it out with just OVER two minutes to go... the clock ticked to 1:50 or whatever on the runback. So you could argue that running it out-- at least for the time-killing aspect-- was a sorta-savvy way to avoid giving NE another free time stoppage, and that the mistake was not going down/going into a turtle shell after first or second contact (instead struggling for yards, and getting stripped like a wet t-shirt contest 'winner').
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MFS62 Sep 16 2009 08:58 AM Re: Football 2009 |
The things you learn late in life. Y'mean you really can strip a wet t-shirt contest winner? I didn't notice that in the rule book when I played the game. Later
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 16 2009 09:00 AM Re: Football 2009 |
Some fucktard Bills fan vandalized McKelvin's home after this.
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Edgy DC Sep 16 2009 09:09 AM Re: Football 2009 |
What is this? All the Right Moves?
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 16 2009 09:14 AM Re: Football 2009 |
[quote="Edgy DC"]What is this? All the Right Moves? |
LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 16 2009 09:21 AM Re: Football 2009 |
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Also, such as it's written, the NFL rule book does back up the Oakland refs on the Murphy TD/no TD thing. Page 6. Rule 3. Section 2. Article 7. Note 1.
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Frayed Knot Sep 16 2009 09:56 AM Re: Football 2009 |
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 16 2009 10:22 AM Re: Football 2009 |
"Maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground," IIRC, is a relatively recent revision (last ten years?) of the rule, no? I have more than a few vague recollections of toe-drag catches from the 80s and 90s during which the receiver lost the ball as his body hit out of bounds.
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Frayed Knot Sep 16 2009 12:28 PM Re: Football 2009 |
[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]"Maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground," IIRC, is a relatively recent revision (last ten years?) of the rule, no? |
Kong76 Oct 04 2009 05:57 PM Re: Football 2009 |
12 for12 in a season long pool I'm in today. $150 for the weekly payout regardless of what happens tonight or tomorrow. Cowboys last run had me a little worried but funk them anyways. Took a little sting out of the Jets coming back to earth a little.
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Nymr83 Oct 04 2009 06:01 PM Re: Football 2009 |
the jets and cowboys killed me in my pool (i'm a point our but the guy ahead of me has the same pick for tonight and tommorow so its over), if the jets had scored a meaningless touchdown they'd have pushed on the 7-point line and i'd be tied. that dallas game was a great (i didnt completely switch over to it until the Jets final INT), and they could have called pass interference on that last play (i'm not saying should have, but it would have been a legit call)
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The Second Spitter Oct 07 2009 03:10 AM Re: Football 2009 |
ESPNs hilarious take on updated NFL logos. http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1006/pg ... oa_576.jpg http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1006/pg ... ob_576.jpg
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Nymr83 Oct 07 2009 06:02 AM Re: Football 2009 |
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The Second Spitter Oct 07 2009 08:33 AM Re: Football 2009 |
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metirish Oct 13 2009 02:24 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Interesting read Offensive Play How different are dogfighting and football? http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009 ... t_gladwell
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The Second Spitter Oct 16 2009 03:52 AM Re: Football 2009 |
Today marks the third year anniversary of the Greatest Kookout in the history of the National Football League. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc How will you celebrate it?
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Kong76 Oct 18 2009 11:12 AM Re: Football 2009 |
Who's the dipshit on the Giants' broadcast that keeps saying New OrLeeAnns? It's N'awlins, asswipe.
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Kong76 Oct 18 2009 11:52 AM Re: Football 2009 |
How much fun it this? Who dat gonna beat them Saints?
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MFS62 Oct 18 2009 12:30 PM Re: Football 2009 |
[quote="metirish":btisgqtx] How different are dogfighting and football? [/quote:btisgqtx] Football has uniforms and tailgating. Later
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Kong76 Oct 18 2009 01:32 PM Re: Football 2009 |
irish: How different are dogfighting and football? <<< Well, there's no flags for illegal touching, interference, and unnecessary roughness. Football's not played until death or near death. Thom Brennaman is kind of a dick, and that's hard to do when boothed with Troy.
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Edgy DC Oct 18 2009 01:56 PM Re: Football 2009 |
It's worth reading, though.
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Kong76 Oct 18 2009 02:12 PM Re: Football 2009 |
EDC: It's worth reading, though <<< Not sure what you're trying to say ... the papers tomorrow should be an interesting read as they fall off the over-rated Giants bandwagon.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 18 2009 04:26 PM Re: Football 2009 |
A slightly more disturbing take-- at least in terms of illuminating the league's views on the matter-- on the same stuff, from the perspective of Dr. Omalu (the researcher who first discovered the tau protein clusters and CTE in NFL players' brains, as alluded to in the Gladwell article). http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/20090 ... oncussions And on the field... up 45 at home, the Pats come out in the second half throwing at the sidelines. Thanks, Bill-- I'd almost forgotten why we hated you so much.
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Kong76 Oct 25 2009 01:35 PM Re: Football 2009 |
I'd forgotten how annoying the moose and goose are. (to me)
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Frayed Knot Oct 25 2009 03:54 PM Re: Football 2009 |
[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3877rfmc]A slightly more disturbing take-- at least in terms of illuminating the league's views on the matter-- on the same stuff, from the perspective of Dr. Omalu (the researcher who first discovered the tau protein clusters and CTE in NFL players' brains, as alluded to in the Gladwell article). http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/20090 ... oncussions [/quote:3877rfmc] The NFL's history with medical care for players is a lot like that of their racial history: not only is it not very good but it's also rarely discussed as if sweeping it under the carpet is going to somehow make it not an issue. Johnny Unitas (among others) died a bitter man towards football because of the chronic pain he was in for the balance of his life and the lack of available help - especially seeing as how he was from the day when the players had to practically pay for their own band-aids. NFL players actually had free-agency in the early days of their player's union long before those in baseball did but were so desperate for better medical benefits that they bargained away that freedom in exchange for somewhat better coverage. They then spent decades trying to get back the right to move freely. Then there are the team doctors - portrayed so well in 'North Dallas Forty' as well as this article - whose loyalty was to the team first and rarely the players. The league recently conducted it's own study on links with dementia and so on and found considerably higher risks across the board but almost immediately began running away from their own conclusions.
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Kong76 Nov 08 2009 02:24 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Tampa Bay = off the schneid
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Kong76 Nov 08 2009 03:37 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Have we all discussed James Brown's* head gear before? Is that sprayed on or a piece? Looks like GI Joe hair. (*the host of Sunday football coverage)
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 11 2009 01:34 PM Re: Football 2009 |
http://host.madison.com/app/interactive/sacktracker/ I wouldn't be surprised if Aaron Rodgers swore out a warrant for his OL's arrest on abuse charges by year's end. Y'know, if his cognitive function allows.
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TransMonk Nov 11 2009 03:45 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Look at you linking to my local paper. It's usually the other way around.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 11 2009 08:19 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Heh. Have a couple of Pack men-- Grant and Jennings-- adorning my fantasy squad. Was fishing on Packer blogs, and they led me there. To be fair, Rodgers' hands of glue have something to do with the brain-rattling.
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Fman99 Nov 11 2009 08:29 PM Re: Football 2009 |
[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":36wojzuf]http://host.madison.com/app/interactive/sacktracker/ [/quote:36wojzuf] Thanks but I know exactly where my sack is. No need for a tracker.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 15 2009 10:01 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Thanks, PeyPey-- Sad Belicheck Face was the only salvage from a wreck of a sports Sunday.
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metirish Nov 16 2009 07:47 AM Re: Football 2009 |
[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3brdawy7]Thanks, PeyPey-- Sad Belicheck Face was the only salvage from a wreck of a sports Sunday.[/quote:3brdawy7] Makes the Jets loss worse though? I watched the first half of this game and reading the reports this morning they are saying BB blew it big time.
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Frayed Knot Nov 16 2009 07:55 AM Re: Football 2009 |
He played a game where he was ahead by 6 points with time running out as if he were behind. And, hey, did youse guys know it was Brady vs Manning last night? I saw about 1/2 of this game and had the sound off for maybe 1/2 of that time and I think I still heard 745 references to Brady vs Manning
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metirish Nov 16 2009 08:09 AM Re: Football 2009 |
The bit where they threw up the various magazine covers that Brady and Manning have graced was so over the top....Collinsworth got a nice dig in when Michaels was going on about how great the rivalry is....."when they were in the same division and played each other twice no one cared and now it's the greatest rivalry ever.
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Fman99 Nov 16 2009 08:10 AM Re: Football 2009 |
[quote="Frayed Knot":115h4x54]He played a game where he was ahead by 6 points with time running out as if he were behind. And, hey, did youse guys know it was Brady vs Manning last night? I saw about 1/2 of this game and had the sound off for maybe 1/2 of that time and I think I still heard 745 references to Brady vs Manning[/quote:115h4x54] The announcers were sickening in their gushing love for the QBs and teams. Barf.
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metirish Nov 16 2009 08:50 AM Re: Football 2009 |
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There is a program out there that supports what BB did.
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Frayed Knot Nov 16 2009 09:16 AM Re: Football 2009 |
I wonder if/how much those pcts above take the specific situation into effect - iow, how often do teams make two yards when the opponent knows they HAVE to make two? IT's like the pct of bunts being successful when it's obvious vs when it's a surprise. Then, of course, you have to account for the the specific teams involved and the state of their respective offenses & defenses etc. It's an interesting question and hopefully the football talk-o-sphere treats it as a topic for serious analysis rather than their usual 6+ days of mid-week blather (although my hopes aren't too high). I had no stake in the game so I liked the fact that BB had the balls to at least try it. So many NFL coaches play the game not to lose (witness the Jags at the end of the Jets game yesterday) and thus most of their moves are seemingly designed to prevent the most second-guessing.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 16 2009 11:47 AM Re: Football 2009 |
[quote="Frayed Knot"]I wonder if/how much those pcts above take the specific situation into effect - iow, how often do teams make two yards when the opponent knows they HAVE to make two? IT's like the pct of bunts being successful when it's obvious vs when it's a surprise. Then, of course, you have to account for the the specific teams involved and the state of their respective offenses & defenses etc. |
HahnSolo Nov 16 2009 12:27 PM Re: Football 2009 |
The Belichick/Brady combo has a 76% conversion rate on 4th and 2 or less (per Mike and Mike this morning, although, as FK says above, not all 4th and 2s are created equal). He had that # in his mind when he did this. For those (on ESPN radio specifically) who say that he showed no faith in his defense by telling them they caouldn't stop Manning: was that the same defense that melted by letting the Colts go 29 yards in four plays? Pretty much justified his concern. The Pats wasting those 2 TOs on that series really cost them. I would have loved to have seen that replay challenge. As it is, I think the spot was a little too generous for the Colts. I'm not sure if he actually got the first down, but he clearly had possession further upfield than the official marked it.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 16 2009 01:20 PM Re: Football 2009 |
[quote="HahnSolo"]The Pats wasting those 2 TOs on that series really cost them. I would have loved to have seen that replay challenge. As it is, I think the spot was a little too generous for the Colts. I'm not sure if he actually got the first down, but he clearly had possession further upfield than the official marked it. |
Kong76 Nov 29 2009 03:47 PM Re: Football 2009 |
How long before the chuckleheads in the FOX booth suggest that Favre play on defense too?
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Kong76 Dec 06 2009 12:06 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Welker is just freakin' amazin' to me sometimes.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 06 2009 05:53 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Of late, Sad Belichick Face is like my Calgon... it makes the stresses and other troubles of the workweek melt away.
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metirish Dec 06 2009 05:58 PM Re: Football 2009 |
I watched the last quarter of that game, what fun.
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Kong76 Dec 19 2009 06:02 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Couldn't watch Thursday's game, can't watch tonight. Two undefeated teams playing in December and some viewers are locked out even though all these media choices were supposed to be in the best interest of the consumer.
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Frayed Knot Dec 20 2009 06:51 AM Re: Football 2009 |
[quote="Kong76"]Couldn't watch Thursday's game, can't watch tonight ... some viewers are locked out even though all these media choices were supposed to be in the best interest of the consumer. |
Kong76 Jan 10 2010 06:01 PM Re: Football 2009 |
Everyone who had The Over at 90 in the Pack vs Cardinals games please report to the payoff window.
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MFS62 Jan 11 2010 08:09 AM Re: Football 2009 |
The Packers - Cardinals game just shows you how awful their NFC divisions really are. Two teams with no defense winning them. I feel like I'm watching a WAC game. (No, not the college conference, the Women's Army Corps.) Later
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TransMonk Jan 11 2010 08:11 AM Re: Football 2009 |
Aaron Rodgers - you are not a Jedi yet.
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Willets Point Jan 11 2010 09:37 AM Re: Football 2009 |
Should the Jets win next week there would be a guaranteed 1969 Super Bowl rematch of sorts in the AFC Championship because they would play either Baltimore or the Colts.
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Nymr83 Jan 11 2010 10:50 AM Re: Football 2009 |
Next weekend's AFC games should be great. You've got the two top defenses against the two top passing games. Besides obviousl wanting a Jets win, a Baltimore win would be great as well as I'd love to see Manning and Rivers go home while defense and pounding the ball on the ground advances.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 11 2010 12:51 PM Re: Football 2009 |
The team that used to be Baltimore's pro-sports true love and left in the middle of the night for the Midwest? Or the team that now waves a banner for Bawlmer, but used to be the Cleveland Browns... and left CLEVELANDERS in the lurch after suddenly not re-upping their lease? I wonder which one Steve Guttenberg's rooting for.
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