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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 07 2009 09:27 AM

So, Crabtree's taking an... um... innovative negotiating tack, and the Jets' prettyboy QB may be starting to outplay Sling Blade.

What else ya got?

Valadius
Aug 07 2009 11:00 AM

The Titans will be wearing a "9" decal on their helmets all season to honor Steve McNair.

cooby
Aug 09 2009 08:29 PM

The Steelers will win it again

Elster88
Aug 09 2009 08:34 PM

Hi cooby.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 10 2009 12:39 PM

[quote="cooby":31txbu9n]The Steelers will win it again[/quote:31txbu9n]

I'm not sure. With Brady back, and the re-reloading (Fred Taylor joings Morris and Faulk in the backfield; Burgess joins the defensive line; Galloway jumps in as the slot receiver/Moss backup),New England has that Death Star feel to it these days.

metirish
Aug 10 2009 12:51 PM

I couldn't believe there was a game on TV last night , the HOF game with TO hyped as the reason I should watch.

I didn't , what happens the QB that played in Brady's place now that he is back?

seawolf17
Aug 10 2009 12:53 PM

He got traded to Kansas City.

HahnSolo
Aug 10 2009 01:26 PM

I did like the Titans' Oilers throwback jerseys and helmets.

Frayed Knot
Aug 10 2009 01:45 PM

[quote="HahnSolo":3bestqis]I did like the Titans' Oilers throwback jerseys and helmets.[/quote:3bestqis]

I was surprised at that. How'd you feel if you were a Houston fan and the team that deserted you decides to "celebrate" the fact that your team no longer exists while on national TV?

The only good thing the NFL did in handling the blatant carpet-bagging they allowed to go on (and it took them a while to get around to it) was making the relocated team choose a new name and color scheme. But now here they are signing off on a spit in the face at that too.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 10 2009 04:04 PM

[quote="Frayed Knot":3dya78xu][quote="HahnSolo":3dya78xu]I did like the Titans' Oilers throwback jerseys and helmets.[/quote:3dya78xu] I was surprised at that. How'd you feel if you were a Houston fan and the team that deserted you decides to "celebrate" the fact that your team no longer exists while on national TV? The only good thing the NFL did in handling the blatant carpet-bagging they allowed to go on (and it took them a while to get around to it) was making the relocated team choose a new name and color scheme. But now here they are signing off on a spit in the face at that too.[/quote:3dya78xu]

Everyone with an AFL pedigree is doing it-- it's the 50th Anniversary shebang. (Including the former Texans of Dallas, your Kansas City Chiefs.)

It would be a little more untoward if the towns in question were still without pro football representation (think: Carolina wearing Hartford Whalers throwbacks); in this case, since everyone's exes married well, so to speak, I'm not sure the fanbases are terribly bothered.

cooby
Aug 10 2009 05:55 PM

[quote="Elster88":2hu1zznm]Hi cooby.[/quote:2hu1zznm]

Hi Elster, how've you been? :)

Frayed Knot
Aug 10 2009 06:10 PM

Everyone with an AFL pedigree is doing it-- it's the 50th Anniversary shebang.


That sounds like a typical NFL move -- celebrate the history of the league they first tried to drive out of business.
When the AFL first surfaced they couldn't do enough to try and deny its existence: wouldn't give scores, mocked its differences, tried to restrict TV access, etc. Later on, once they later merged with it (read: took it over), they were all too happy to claim its history as theirs.

Elster88
Aug 10 2009 08:52 PM

[quote="cooby":3sd815tl][quote="Elster88":3sd815tl]Hi cooby.[/quote:3sd815tl] Hi Elster, how've you been? :)[/quote:3sd815tl]

Good, and you? Your Steelers ought to have an easy road to the division title, I predict bad things for Baltimore this year. As long as Big Ben puts the sex scandal behind him.

Nymr83
Aug 13 2009 06:50 PM

Michael Vick is a Philadelphia Eagle.

MFS62
Aug 13 2009 07:27 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 13 2009 09:49 PM

[quote="Nymr83":1q5h63is]Michael Vick is a Philadelphia Eagle.[/quote:1q5h63is]

Makes sense. The fans torture puppies to death in Philadelphia.

Later

Valadius
Aug 13 2009 09:06 PM

Not a big surprise.

Nymr83
Aug 13 2009 09:18 PM

i'm a bit suprised. vick was never great and i figured nobody would want the radioactive negative publicity that comes with him, i expected that, like barry bonds, who was great and committed far lesser offenses, he wouldn't find a team willing to take on the bad pr

metirish
Aug 14 2009 06:56 AM

[quote="Nymr83":ielgp02w]i'm a bit suprised. vick was never great and i figured nobody would want the radioactive negative publicity that comes with him, i expected that, like barry bonds, who was great and committed far lesser offenses, he wouldn't find a team willing to take on the bad pr[/quote:ielgp02w]


But really a good number of players in that league bring tonnes of baggage and crap publicity , manslaughter , drugs , guns and other wholesome family stuff.

Frayed Knot
Aug 14 2009 07:37 AM

The NFL is totally teflon when it comes to bad publicity so it hardly matters.
Whichever team signed him knows it's going to get a smattering of complaints plus the odd editorial rebuke, but it's not like any of that is going to make a dent in attendance or TV ratings which is the grease which makes the system go in the first place.

Meanwhile, the pro football media monster will spend the next day or two talking about his worthiness of this "opportunity" before quickly changing the subject to how this impacts the Eagles on game day and what it means for his fantasy league value. Correspondents will be dispatched to Eagles camp and breathless reports will be filed for each snap he takes and probably each time he sneezes as well - all of which is simply more publicity for the team and the upcoming season. By the time the announcement is made officially restoring his eligibility it will be treated as a press release and be used to hype his first appearance and the process of bad publicity morphing into good will be complete.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 14 2009 09:42 AM

Between McCoy, Westbrook, and Mad Dog, you can bet both yer kidneys they'll be running a Wildcat/option offense at some point this year.

I look forward to the ensuing measured, productive public discourse between PETA members and South Philly residents.

Nymr83
Aug 14 2009 06:37 PM

Bets on the number of PETA protesters outside the first home game?

I say they fall short of drawing 50.

Frayed Knot
Aug 14 2009 07:11 PM

It'll be like the Martha Burke protests at the Masters a few years back where the media assigned to cover the protest out-number the protesters themselves.

cooby
Aug 15 2009 02:56 PM

My friend and office mate Mike is a mighty Eagles fan. WHen I saw this story, I emailed it to him, with a note of "Congratulations".

Mike's a good Christian and an advocate of forgiveness, but jokes "Not on my Team!".

He's thinking of marketing dog sweaters with Vicks # on them on Ebay for extra cash.

cooby
Aug 15 2009 02:57 PM

[quote="Elster88":2duevwjb][quote="cooby":2duevwjb][quote="Elster88":2duevwjb]Hi cooby.[/quote:2duevwjb] Hi Elster, how've you been? :)[/quote:2duevwjb] Good, and you? Your Steelers ought to have an easy road to the division title, I predict bad things for Baltimore this year. As long as Big Ben puts the sex scandal behind him.[/quote:2duevwjb]

Seems to be old news already...

Frayed Knot
Aug 16 2009 07:25 PM

So CBS - who just happens to have one half of the NFL TV package - uses their top prime-time news program and turns over a segment to one of their sports guys for a highly publicized interview with Michael Vick.
The only surprising part is that he hooked up with the network that doesn't have the NFC package where the Eagles will play most of their games.

Like I said, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Nymr83
Aug 20 2009 11:20 AM

Cross Plaxico Burress off the Jets WR wishlist, he pled guilty to attempted criminal possession of a weapon and got 2 years in jail.

MFS62
Aug 20 2009 07:12 PM

[quote="Nymr83":2ae3cicm]Cross Plaxico Burress off the Jets WR wishlist, he pled guilty to attempted criminal possession of a weapon and got 2 years in jail.[/quote:2ae3cicm]
The mandatory sentence to the original charges was 3+ years. They must have taken some time off for incredible stupidity.
Later

metirish
Aug 21 2009 07:37 AM

His perma tanned lawyer on the news saying Plax has a long career a head of him

Nymr83
Aug 21 2009 11:05 AM

he shouldnt have much trouble finding a job in 2 years, its 20 months with good behavior making him ready for training camp 2011, and nobody is going to be upset over a guy who shot himself finding a job, not in a league that employs Ray Lewis and Dante Stallworth.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 21 2009 12:04 PM

It's not like he's getting any shorter/shorter-limbed in the next two years, right?

Farmer Ted
Aug 21 2009 04:22 PM

Ocho Cinco kicked an extra point in the exhib. against BeliCHICK. He tagged it good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OKPySslfLw

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 22 2009 05:28 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 23 2009 05:13 PM

So, Dallas built a new stadium during the offseason, right? And by all accounts-- especially their own-- it's like football Versailles, complete with a four-sided, 160-foot-by-90-foot (!) electronic video screen/scoreboard at midfield.

Putting aside the ridiculous pricing ($60 for pizza! $70 for parking!), it seems like a comfortable, generally excellent place to watch a football game... as long as nobody punts in that game.

The Titans backup punter hit the board in the third quarter last night; starter Craig Hentrich said he hit it half a dozen times in practice without trying.

Even better... there are no plans to change or move it. If Allah is indeed great, Dallas' punter will smack the side of this during a late-season game, and America's Team will end up home for January as a result.

metirish
Aug 22 2009 05:31 PM

The look on the face of Jones when the camera cut to him was priceless.

metirish
Aug 24 2009 10:53 AM

Not the least surprising that the punting into the huge video screen was a known problem



By JUDY BATTISTA Published: August 24, 2009 For fans of special teams — or maybe pinball — Dec. 13 just became the best day on the N.F.L. schedule. That’s when the San Diego Chargers, with their high-kicking punter Mike Scifres, play the Dallas Cowboys, ensuring that everybody will pay more attention than ever to hang time. The Cowboys have played exactly one game in their new billion-dollar palace, only to find — just like new homeowners everywhere — that there are a few kinks to be worked out. Of course, everything is bigger in Texas (a T-shirt for sale on the Cowboys’ Web site features a picture of the new stadium with the promise “Ours is bigger!”) and this is a rather prominent kink: mammoth high-definition video screens that are 60 yards wide, 71 feet high and apparently hung too low, at 90 feet above the field. On Friday night, the N.F.L. learned that punters have better legs than Jerry Jones thought when the backup A. J. Trapasso, who might have improved his N.F.L. stock with the leg strength he showed, thunked the underside of the screen during the game; his punt ricocheted back to the field and confusion ensued. And the N.F.L. got on the case. On Monday, Ray Anderson, the league’s executive vice president for football operations, said he would be at Dallas’s next preseason game, Saturday night against San Francisco, to see the screens for himself. But first, he planned to hold conference calls with members of the competition committee in the next few days to discuss options. The bottom line: the N.F.L. will not go into the regular season with the situation unresolved because it does not want games that count affected by what amounts to a large television. “Competitive issues and integrity of the game is the primary focus,” Anderson said in a telephone interview Monday morning. “If there is interference with a key play of a game, we have to have a response to how we deal with it.” Anderson said that included the possibility of the most obvious solution: telling Jones to raise the screen, something Jones seemed reluctant to do when asked about it Friday night. It’s not that Jones was unaware of the potential problem. Before he personally helped set the height at just about the league minimum — how’s that for attention to detail? — tests were run with Cowboys punter Mat McBriar, who cleared 100 feet. And when reporters in the Dallas area were given a tour of the stadium this year, at least one noticed how low the screen looked. So why weren’t the screens set higher? Because this stadium is known colloquially as Jerry’s World and Jones reasoned that most punters try to place the ball in a specific spot, usually near a sideline, not launch it to the moon. “That’s a reasonable argument, but it’s not a complete argument,” the Jets’ special teams coach, Mike Westhoff, said. “Scifres punts it up to God. On a directional punt, it’s not like you line-drive it out of bounds. You’re forced by some formations to keep it in the middle and you’re forced to kick it up as high as possible.” “If anybody hit the screen, it’s dramatically too low,” Westhoff added. “I was really shocked.” Westhoff was the Miami Dolphins’ special teams coach when Reggie Roby, an exceptionally strong-legged punter, was with the team. Roby used to go into domed stadiums and try to hit the scoreboards that hung over the field during warm-ups. He never did, Westhoff said. Scifres, so renowned for how high he kicks that it is mentioned in his official team biography, can make the Chargers’ December visit to Dallas intriguing if the N.F.L. chooses not to have the screens raised. That would present a myriad of issues for Anderson and the competition committee: for one, nobody on an officiating crew is assigned to watch the flight of the ball on a punt, so who will see it if Scifres or anybody else nails one of the screens? “Replay was not designed for those types of things,” said Titans Coach Jeff Fisher, a co-chairman of the competition committee, who threw his red challenge flag as soon as his punter hit the screen Friday. “As a coach, I certainly don’t want to be forced to use a challenge for that because your challenge opportunities, there’s a premium on those.” And if someone does hit the screen, should the punting team get a do-over? Special teams players are already at slightly greater injury risk than players on regular plays from scrimmage, so the do-over is not terribly appealing. And punters, Trapasso said, may try to take something off a punt to avoid the screen, which can affect distance. And should time be put back on the clock for a do-over? Westhoff suggested the N.F.L. take a page from baseball and adopt ground rules specific to Cowboys Stadium. Westhoff said a punt that hit a scoreboard could run about 10 seconds off the clock: two seconds from snap to kick, at least five seconds of hang time for a punter like Scifres and another few seconds from the time it hit the board to when the play was whistled dead. “Then you do it again, and then do it again and again and that’s 40 seconds and the game is over,” Westhoff said. “What do you do then? Do you start the clock when a guy catches it in field of play? Do you go back and put time back on the clock?” “It will be like baseball,” Westhoff added. “Come out for the coin flip, exchange lineup cards and go over the ground rules.” Jones, who has taken enormous pride in showing off every inch of the new stadium, pointed out that his stadium met the league specifications for how low a screen can hang. “How high is high if somebody just wants to sit there and kick straight up?” he said Friday night. But the Cowboys will raise the screen at least once in October for Bono. No, not the former journeyman quarterback Steve Bono. U2 is performing Oct. 12 and its stage has to fit.

Gwreck
Aug 24 2009 11:49 AM

Yeah, maybe the screen is too low. But it's still *really* cool, IMO.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 25 2009 10:16 AM

I'm okay with Sanchez as QB now.

(Although I'd rather never, ever cross Haloti Ngata's path, ever. EVER.)

Valadius
Sep 10 2009 06:34 PM
Re: Football 2009

I am REALLY missing John Madden right now.

Kong76
Sep 10 2009 06:45 PM
Re: Football 2009

Valad: I am REALLY missing John Madden right now <<< Those late nights cuddling in The Cruiser?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 11 2009 08:20 AM
Re: Football 2009

"See, what you got right here, is, you got a guy, who doesn't know what he's talking about. You got a guy who doesn't remember how bad Madden had gotten in recent years. See, he starts out great, doing something nobody's done before. Before you know it, he's talking, he's talking, then... BOOM. He's a parody of himself right there, no doubt about it." Collinsworth may be a little bit of a ninny, but he generally knows his stuff-- I don't think any color guy in any sport does more research than the guy. Besides, Val-- it's not like JM's unemployed:
John Madden is back in the NFL as an unpaid "special adviser" to commissioner Roger Goodell. The league announced Thursday that Madden, who retired as a broadcaster earlier this year, would advise Goodell on "matters pertaining to the game, including competitive issues, coaching and personnel development, technological innovations, player safety, and the Pro Football Hall of Fame." "When I retired from broadcasting, I didn't retire from my passion and interest in the game," Madden said in a statement. "This position enables me to continue that." Madden, in his unpaid position, will chair the coaches' subcommittee to the competition committee, which reports in prior to the league's annual meetings. He also will participate in meetings of the general managers' advisory committee and be part of a weekly call with Goodell or someone on Goodell's staff. "It was an offer we couldn't refuse," Goodell said in a statement.

Kong76
Sep 14 2009 06:30 PM
Re: Football 2009

They should have two Monday Night Football games every week. It's 8:30 and almost halftime already ... love it. (I have to admit I always liked that old Patriots logo too)

The Second Spitter
Sep 14 2009 07:13 PM
Re: Football 2009

I'm actually quite partial to Buffalo's old logo.

Frayed Knot
Sep 14 2009 08:07 PM
Re: Football 2009

They should have two Monday Night Football games every week. It's 8:30 and almost halftime already ... love it.
IOW, you wish that the Monday Night game started at 7:00 ET every week cuz you're gonna blow off the late game anyway. I've been referring to MNF as 'Tuesday Morning Football' for years now. Bears LB Brian Urlacher gone for the season with a dislocated wrist. OK, that sounds really painful.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 15 2009 08:48 AM
Re: Football 2009

Thought the throwback unis in the early game-- throwbacks or no-- looked smashing, and far better than the usual overly-piped, weird-side-panel-loaded bid'ness. Buffalo's unis in particular were absolutely gorgeous. (The overblitzing, loose-covering two-minute defense? Not so.) [quote="Frayed Knot":ww95628w]Bears LB Brian Urlacher gone for the season with a dislocated wrist. OK, that sounds really painful.[/quote:ww95628w] Apparently, he tweeted the news to teammates/friends. Dumb question: how did he tweet if his dominant wrist was unusable/newly operated-upon?

MFS62
Sep 15 2009 09:12 AM
Re: Football 2009

The Raiders got screwed by the ref last night. The wide receiver had the ball in his hands, landed in the end zone(both feet), then lost the ball as he fell to the ground in the grasp of the defender after he had landed. It is a touchdown! He crossed the plane of the goal line with the ball in his posession. Of course, the replay ref took the touchdown away. The Raiders had to settle for a field goal. They lost by the difference in the points. Later

Centerfield
Sep 15 2009 10:50 AM
Re: Football 2009

Did anyone see the Bears/Packers game Sunday night? That decision to go for it on 4th and 11 may have been the worst decision I've seen since I started watching football. No exaggeration. Unbelievably bad.

The Second Spitter
Sep 15 2009 08:48 PM
Re: Football 2009

I don't know, Leodis McKelvin's decision to run the ball out of his own endzone with less than 2 minutes to go is pretty much up there.

Nymr83
Sep 15 2009 09:18 PM
Re: Football 2009

[quote="Triple Dee":1nnsf7hc]I don't know, Leodis McKelvin's decision to run the ball out of his own endzone with less than 2 minutes to go is pretty much up there.[/quote:1nnsf7hc] oh thats gotta be #1 so far this year: -you're winning -theres barely any time left -your HANDS TEAM is on the field to recover a potential onside kick, so the blockers you usualyl have arent even out there and everyone but you is downfield. idiot.

Edgy DC
Sep 15 2009 09:23 PM
Re: Football 2009

Joe Pisarcik is feeling redeemed.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 16 2009 08:51 AM
Re: Football 2009

Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 16 2009 09:03 AM

[quote="Triple Dee":2f4x6nve]I don't know, Leodis McKelvin's decision to run the ball out of his own endzone with less than 2 minutes to go is pretty much up there.[/quote:2f4x6nve] Well, to be fair, he ran it out with just OVER two minutes to go... the clock ticked to 1:50 or whatever on the runback. So you could argue that running it out-- at least for the time-killing aspect-- was a sorta-savvy way to avoid giving NE another free time stoppage, and that the mistake was not going down/going into a turtle shell after first or second contact (instead struggling for yards, and getting stripped like a wet t-shirt contest 'winner').

MFS62
Sep 16 2009 08:58 AM
Re: Football 2009

The things you learn late in life. Y'mean you really can strip a wet t-shirt contest winner? I didn't notice that in the rule book when I played the game. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 16 2009 09:00 AM
Re: Football 2009

Some fucktard Bills fan vandalized McKelvin's home after this.

Edgy DC
Sep 16 2009 09:09 AM
Re: Football 2009

What is this? All the Right Moves?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 16 2009 09:14 AM
Re: Football 2009

[quote="Edgy DC"]What is this? All the Right Moves?

Buffalo. Same difference. (I keed! I keed!) (Sorta.)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 16 2009 09:21 AM
Re: Football 2009

Also, such as it's written, the NFL rule book does back up the Oakland refs on the Murphy TD/no TD thing. Page 6. Rule 3. Section 2. Article 7. Note 1.
"A player who goes to the ground in the process of attempting to secure possession of a loose ball (with or without contact by a defender) must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. "If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, it is a catch, interception or recovery."
Since he was tangled with the defender as he received the ball, and was still so entangled as he headed for the ground in the process of making the catch, he had to hold on as he went to the ground. Since he bobbled and dropped the pigskin just as he hit the ground, it's (arguably, at least) no TD. (If, in last year's SB-- for instance-- Holmes bobbles the football similarly as he hits the ground AFTER getting both feet down on the game-winning play... it's Arizona's year.)

Frayed Knot
Sep 16 2009 09:56 AM
Re: Football 2009

The Raiders got screwed by the ref last night. The wide receiver had the ball in his hands, landed in the end zone(both feet), then lost the ball as he fell to the ground in the grasp of the defender after he had landed. It is a touchdown! He crossed the plane of the goal line with the ball in his posession. Of course, the replay ref took the touchdown away. The Raiders had to settle for a field goal. They lost by the difference in the points.
It's the correct call - acc to the rulebook (see above) - even it it's one of those funky quirks in the NFL that drives people nuts. I guess the difference in their reasoning between that play and one where a ball carrier "breaks the plane" of the end-zone from the playing field and gets credit for the TD even though he never touches down in the striped rectangle itself it is based on the idea that one coming in from the field has already demonstrated control of the ball before he ever got there. This is different from the receiver who catches a ball while air-born above the end-zone but still needs to establish that he has control of the ball before being awarded the score. And, according to the NFL, control is established by maintaining possession after hitting the ground - similar to the way an OFer would need to keep the ball in his glove after he hits the turf.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 16 2009 10:22 AM
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"Maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground," IIRC, is a relatively recent revision (last ten years?) of the rule, no? I have more than a few vague recollections of toe-drag catches from the 80s and 90s during which the receiver lost the ball as his body hit out of bounds.

Frayed Knot
Sep 16 2009 12:28 PM
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[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]"Maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground," IIRC, is a relatively recent revision (last ten years?) of the rule, no?

I don't know if it was a recent change or just some kind of semantic clarification. That sport is forever tweaking their rule book and I can never keep up. Or maybe hitting the ground and losing the ball out of bounds is treated differently than losing it on the field or in the end-zone based on the idea that as soon as your dragged tootsies hit the sideline or endline then you get credit for the catch because you had it at the time the ball play went dead. The rule quoted above mentions only 'field of play' or 'endzone'.

Kong76
Oct 04 2009 05:57 PM
Re: Football 2009

12 for12 in a season long pool I'm in today. $150 for the weekly payout regardless of what happens tonight or tomorrow. Cowboys last run had me a little worried but funk them anyways. Took a little sting out of the Jets coming back to earth a little.

Nymr83
Oct 04 2009 06:01 PM
Re: Football 2009

the jets and cowboys killed me in my pool (i'm a point our but the guy ahead of me has the same pick for tonight and tommorow so its over), if the jets had scored a meaningless touchdown they'd have pushed on the 7-point line and i'd be tied. that dallas game was a great (i didnt completely switch over to it until the Jets final INT), and they could have called pass interference on that last play (i'm not saying should have, but it would have been a legit call)

The Second Spitter
Oct 07 2009 03:10 AM
Re: Football 2009

ESPNs hilarious take on updated NFL logos. http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1006/pg ... oa_576.jpg http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1006/pg ... ob_576.jpg

Nymr83
Oct 07 2009 06:02 AM
Re: Football 2009

ESPNs hilarious take on updated NFL logos. http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1006/pg ... oa_576.jpg http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1006/pg ... ob_576.jpg
Triple Dee- i just came here intending to post that very same thing! Tim Graham (The AFC East blogger whose work I reccomend and whose friday afternoon chats helped kill time at my last job) had links up to them yesterday. The Rams new logo was the best imo.

The Second Spitter
Oct 07 2009 08:33 AM
Re: Football 2009

The Rams new logo was the best imo.
That's a classic. My favorite too.

metirish
Oct 13 2009 02:24 PM
Re: Football 2009

Interesting read Offensive Play How different are dogfighting and football? http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009 ... t_gladwell

The Second Spitter
Oct 16 2009 03:52 AM
Re: Football 2009

Today marks the third year anniversary of the Greatest Kookout in the history of the National Football League. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc How will you celebrate it?

Kong76
Oct 18 2009 11:12 AM
Re: Football 2009

Who's the dipshit on the Giants' broadcast that keeps saying New OrLeeAnns? It's N'awlins, asswipe.

Kong76
Oct 18 2009 11:52 AM
Re: Football 2009

How much fun it this? Who dat gonna beat them Saints?

MFS62
Oct 18 2009 12:30 PM
Re: Football 2009

[quote="metirish":btisgqtx] How different are dogfighting and football? [/quote:btisgqtx] Football has uniforms and tailgating. Later

Kong76
Oct 18 2009 01:32 PM
Re: Football 2009

irish: How different are dogfighting and football? <<< Well, there's no flags for illegal touching, interference, and unnecessary roughness. Football's not played until death or near death. Thom Brennaman is kind of a dick, and that's hard to do when boothed with Troy.

Edgy DC
Oct 18 2009 01:56 PM
Re: Football 2009

It's worth reading, though.

Kong76
Oct 18 2009 02:12 PM
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EDC: It's worth reading, though <<< Not sure what you're trying to say ... the papers tomorrow should be an interesting read as they fall off the over-rated Giants bandwagon.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 18 2009 04:26 PM
Re: Football 2009

A slightly more disturbing take-- at least in terms of illuminating the league's views on the matter-- on the same stuff, from the perspective of Dr. Omalu (the researcher who first discovered the tau protein clusters and CTE in NFL players' brains, as alluded to in the Gladwell article). http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/20090 ... oncussions And on the field... up 45 at home, the Pats come out in the second half throwing at the sidelines. Thanks, Bill-- I'd almost forgotten why we hated you so much.

Kong76
Oct 25 2009 01:35 PM
Re: Football 2009

I'd forgotten how annoying the moose and goose are. (to me)

Frayed Knot
Oct 25 2009 03:54 PM
Re: Football 2009

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3877rfmc]A slightly more disturbing take-- at least in terms of illuminating the league's views on the matter-- on the same stuff, from the perspective of Dr. Omalu (the researcher who first discovered the tau protein clusters and CTE in NFL players' brains, as alluded to in the Gladwell article). http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/20090 ... oncussions [/quote:3877rfmc] The NFL's history with medical care for players is a lot like that of their racial history: not only is it not very good but it's also rarely discussed as if sweeping it under the carpet is going to somehow make it not an issue. Johnny Unitas (among others) died a bitter man towards football because of the chronic pain he was in for the balance of his life and the lack of available help - especially seeing as how he was from the day when the players had to practically pay for their own band-aids. NFL players actually had free-agency in the early days of their player's union long before those in baseball did but were so desperate for better medical benefits that they bargained away that freedom in exchange for somewhat better coverage. They then spent decades trying to get back the right to move freely. Then there are the team doctors - portrayed so well in 'North Dallas Forty' as well as this article - whose loyalty was to the team first and rarely the players. The league recently conducted it's own study on links with dementia and so on and found considerably higher risks across the board but almost immediately began running away from their own conclusions.

Kong76
Nov 08 2009 02:24 PM
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Tampa Bay = off the schneid

Kong76
Nov 08 2009 03:37 PM
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Have we all discussed James Brown's* head gear before? Is that sprayed on or a piece? Looks like GI Joe hair. (*the host of Sunday football coverage)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 11 2009 01:34 PM
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http://host.madison.com/app/interactive/sacktracker/ I wouldn't be surprised if Aaron Rodgers swore out a warrant for his OL's arrest on abuse charges by year's end. Y'know, if his cognitive function allows.

TransMonk
Nov 11 2009 03:45 PM
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Look at you linking to my local paper. It's usually the other way around.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 11 2009 08:19 PM
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Heh. Have a couple of Pack men-- Grant and Jennings-- adorning my fantasy squad. Was fishing on Packer blogs, and they led me there. To be fair, Rodgers' hands of glue have something to do with the brain-rattling.

Fman99
Nov 11 2009 08:29 PM
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[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":36wojzuf]http://host.madison.com/app/interactive/sacktracker/ [/quote:36wojzuf] Thanks but I know exactly where my sack is. No need for a tracker.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 15 2009 10:01 PM
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Thanks, PeyPey-- Sad Belicheck Face was the only salvage from a wreck of a sports Sunday.

metirish
Nov 16 2009 07:47 AM
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[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3brdawy7]Thanks, PeyPey-- Sad Belicheck Face was the only salvage from a wreck of a sports Sunday.[/quote:3brdawy7] Makes the Jets loss worse though? I watched the first half of this game and reading the reports this morning they are saying BB blew it big time.

Frayed Knot
Nov 16 2009 07:55 AM
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He played a game where he was ahead by 6 points with time running out as if he were behind. And, hey, did youse guys know it was Brady vs Manning last night? I saw about 1/2 of this game and had the sound off for maybe 1/2 of that time and I think I still heard 745 references to Brady vs Manning

metirish
Nov 16 2009 08:09 AM
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The bit where they threw up the various magazine covers that Brady and Manning have graced was so over the top....Collinsworth got a nice dig in when Michaels was going on about how great the rivalry is....."when they were in the same division and played each other twice no one cared and now it's the greatest rivalry ever.

Fman99
Nov 16 2009 08:10 AM
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[quote="Frayed Knot":115h4x54]He played a game where he was ahead by 6 points with time running out as if he were behind. And, hey, did youse guys know it was Brady vs Manning last night? I saw about 1/2 of this game and had the sound off for maybe 1/2 of that time and I think I still heard 745 references to Brady vs Manning[/quote:115h4x54] The announcers were sickening in their gushing love for the QBs and teams. Barf.

metirish
Nov 16 2009 08:50 AM
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There is a program out there that supports what BB did.
ZEUS Computer Program Supports Belichick’s Fourth-Down Bid By TONI MONKOVIC Frank Frigo and Chuck Bower, champion backgammon players and developers of the ZEUS computer program, have huddled with N.F.L. executives over the years, including with Bill Belichick. They can simulate hundreds of thousands of N.F.L. outcomes in seconds, and their program is customizable to account for the strengths and weaknesses of the offensive and defensive units of each team. Frigo criticized a key Belichick decision last November in a loss at Indianapolis. This morning, a little over a year later, Frigo said Belichick was being unjustly castigated. He sent this analysis via e-mail: A very interesting and controversial decision with the Patriots last night. I read the Advanced NFL Stats analysis and concur with Brian Burke’s general framing of the problem and his support of Belichick. Here are three ways ZEUS breaks down the problem. In each scenario, an extended simulation is performed beginning with the exact circumstance on 4th-and-2 and finishing at the conclusion of the game. Scenario 1: The custom case for the specific offensive and defensive features of the Colts and the Patriots. Going for it: 77.3% (Probability of Winning for the Patriots) Punting: 75.7% Scenario 2: The case for two N.F.L. average and equal teams in every offensive and defensive category: Going for it: 78.6% (Probability of Winning for the Patriots) Punting: 76.4% Scenario 3: The break-even point on the decision occurs when the team with the ball is about 5 percent weaker than N.F.L. average on offense and 5 percent better than N.F.L. average on defense, while the opposing team is 5 percent better than N.F.L. average on defense and 5 percent worse than average on offense. The results of Scenarios #1 and #2 clearly point in favor of Belichick’s decision, although not by nearly as wide a margin as we might have expected. Additionally, the analysis in Scenario #3 really cements the case for “going for it.” Applying this benchmark and comparing it with the far different characteristics of the Patriots and the Colts makes the call all the more clear. Thumbs up to Belichick on a courageous and correct call last night.
NYT

Frayed Knot
Nov 16 2009 09:16 AM
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I wonder if/how much those pcts above take the specific situation into effect - iow, how often do teams make two yards when the opponent knows they HAVE to make two? IT's like the pct of bunts being successful when it's obvious vs when it's a surprise. Then, of course, you have to account for the the specific teams involved and the state of their respective offenses & defenses etc. It's an interesting question and hopefully the football talk-o-sphere treats it as a topic for serious analysis rather than their usual 6+ days of mid-week blather (although my hopes aren't too high). I had no stake in the game so I liked the fact that BB had the balls to at least try it. So many NFL coaches play the game not to lose (witness the Jags at the end of the Jets game yesterday) and thus most of their moves are seemingly designed to prevent the most second-guessing.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 16 2009 11:47 AM
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[quote="Frayed Knot"]I wonder if/how much those pcts above take the specific situation into effect - iow, how often do teams make two yards when the opponent knows they HAVE to make two? IT's like the pct of bunts being successful when it's obvious vs when it's a surprise. Then, of course, you have to account for the the specific teams involved and the state of their respective offenses & defenses etc.

I had no stake in the game so I liked the fact that BB had the balls to at least try it. So many NFL coaches play the game not to lose (witness the Jags at the end of the Jets game yesterday) and thus most of their moves are seemingly designed to prevent the most second-guessing. Fair enough, but Belichick could have called a slant-and-go there, too. Or a post/skinny post with a wideout or the TE Watson (since they'd gotten a number of big gains over the middle, forcing the safety into coverage, as with the long Moss TD). Also, the Colts DL isn't terribly big, and the Pats had been able to run it when they needed to, it seemed; so running-- however conservative it might have seemed-- might not have been a bad option, either (conversely, their DEs and outside LBs are speed demons-- midrange pass coverage is their game). I'm with you on Belichick's decision, though... it was bold (insofar as it's not the choice most of his peers would have made) but not exactly incorrect.

HahnSolo
Nov 16 2009 12:27 PM
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The Belichick/Brady combo has a 76% conversion rate on 4th and 2 or less (per Mike and Mike this morning, although, as FK says above, not all 4th and 2s are created equal). He had that # in his mind when he did this. For those (on ESPN radio specifically) who say that he showed no faith in his defense by telling them they caouldn't stop Manning: was that the same defense that melted by letting the Colts go 29 yards in four plays? Pretty much justified his concern. The Pats wasting those 2 TOs on that series really cost them. I would have loved to have seen that replay challenge. As it is, I think the spot was a little too generous for the Colts. I'm not sure if he actually got the first down, but he clearly had possession further upfield than the official marked it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 16 2009 01:20 PM
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[quote="HahnSolo"]The Pats wasting those 2 TOs on that series really cost them. I would have loved to have seen that replay challenge. As it is, I think the spot was a little too generous for the Colts. I'm not sure if he actually got the first down, but he clearly had possession further upfield than the official marked it.

The second TO was the real mistake. The refs might have been slightly short on the spot. But if the refs had given them forward progress past the FD marker, it would have been a far more egregious mistake.

Kong76
Nov 29 2009 03:47 PM
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How long before the chuckleheads in the FOX booth suggest that Favre play on defense too?

Kong76
Dec 06 2009 12:06 PM
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Welker is just freakin' amazin' to me sometimes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 06 2009 05:53 PM
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Of late, Sad Belichick Face is like my Calgon... it makes the stresses and other troubles of the workweek melt away.

metirish
Dec 06 2009 05:58 PM
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I watched the last quarter of that game, what fun.

Kong76
Dec 19 2009 06:02 PM
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Couldn't watch Thursday's game, can't watch tonight. Two undefeated teams playing in December and some viewers are locked out even though all these media choices were supposed to be in the best interest of the consumer.

Frayed Knot
Dec 20 2009 06:51 AM
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[quote="Kong76"]Couldn't watch Thursday's game, can't watch tonight ... some viewers are locked out even though all these media choices were supposed to be in the best interest of the consumer.

"Best interests of the consumer" -- hey, that's a good one KC!

Kong76
Jan 10 2010 06:01 PM
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Everyone who had The Over at 90 in the Pack vs Cardinals games please report to the payoff window.

MFS62
Jan 11 2010 08:09 AM
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The Packers - Cardinals game just shows you how awful their NFC divisions really are. Two teams with no defense winning them. I feel like I'm watching a WAC game. (No, not the college conference, the Women's Army Corps.) Later

TransMonk
Jan 11 2010 08:11 AM
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Aaron Rodgers - you are not a Jedi yet.

Willets Point
Jan 11 2010 09:37 AM
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Should the Jets win next week there would be a guaranteed 1969 Super Bowl rematch of sorts in the AFC Championship because they would play either Baltimore or the Colts.

Nymr83
Jan 11 2010 10:50 AM
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Next weekend's AFC games should be great. You've got the two top defenses against the two top passing games. Besides obviousl wanting a Jets win, a Baltimore win would be great as well as I'd love to see Manning and Rivers go home while defense and pounding the ball on the ground advances.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 11 2010 12:51 PM
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The team that used to be Baltimore's pro-sports true love and left in the middle of the night for the Midwest? Or the team that now waves a banner for Bawlmer, but used to be the Cleveland Browns... and left CLEVELANDERS in the lurch after suddenly not re-upping their lease? I wonder which one Steve Guttenberg's rooting for.