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The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT)
| attgig Sep 16 2009 10:45 PM |
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[quote="Edgy DC":2yj5ii92]Uh, was Murphy not covering the line?[/quote:2yj5ii92] oh, he was covering the line. he just didn't grab it. you could say, he had 3 mistakes in the 9th that cost them the game. anyone still think he's our fulltime 1bman in 2010?
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| The Second Spitter Sep 16 2009 11:29 PM Re: IGT--Mets @ Braves, 09/16/09 |
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Omar says: "This year was a learning experience; next year he'll be older, wiser and can contribute in that position."
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| bmfc1 Sep 17 2009 03:30 AM Re: IGT--Mets @ Braves, 09/16/09 |
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[quote="attgig":9tbdbjbv][quote="Edgy DC":9tbdbjbv]Uh, was Murphy not covering the line?[/quote:9tbdbjbv] oh, he was covering the line. he just didn't grab it. you could say, he had 3 mistakes in the 9th that cost them the game. anyone still think he's our fulltime 1bman in 2010?[/quote:9tbdbjbv] Not me. There's talk that if they get a big bat for LF they can "live" with Murphy at 1B. No way. He doesn't know how to play the position (partially not his fault: he played 3B in the minors, 2B in the AFL and LF when the season started) and, like other Mets, he has bad baseball instincts (e.g. Sunday night's baserunning mistake). I'd love to see Adam LaRoche at 1B next year but I doubt that they can afford him and a bat in LF and a #2 SP.
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| The Second Spitter Sep 17 2009 04:00 AM Re: IGT--Mets @ Braves, 09/16/09 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 17 2009 05:23 AM |
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There's talk that the Brewers may be prepared to move Fielder. On edit -- I admit I didn't read the article very closely. It's more a speculative piece about his future. I'll be very surprised if the Mets do end-up getting a 1st baseman via trade. They could have had Dunn for nothing last season, so Omar's gonna pretty bad if he has to give up anythingto get him. As for FAs it's between La Roche and Johnson.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2009 05:57 AM Re: IGT--Mets @ Braves, 09/16/09 |
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[quote="Triple Dee":3szk5wsi] I'll be very surprised if the Mets do end-up getting a 1st baseman via trade.[/quote:3szk5wsi] Article in the Daily News this morning speculates that the Mets let Murphy start the season at first, and Ike Davis at Buffalo (I actually started typing "Tidewater"!) with Davis pushing Murphy out of the way during the course of the season.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 17 2009 06:10 AM Re: IGT--Mets @ Braves, 09/16/09 |
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[quote="Benjamin Grimm":3cmwwt8r][quote="Triple Dee":3cmwwt8r] I'll be very surprised if the Mets do end-up getting a 1st baseman via trade.[/quote:3cmwwt8r] Article in the Daily News this morning speculates that the Mets let Murphy start the season at first, and Ike Davis at Buffalo (I actually started typing "Tidewater"!) with Davis pushing Murphy out of the way during the course of the season.[/quote:3cmwwt8r] To me it's like the most obvious thing ever. Not to mention that the Carter guy from the Wagner trade could also replicate what Muffy does.
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| metirish Sep 17 2009 07:10 AM Re: IGT--Mets @ Braves, 09/16/09 |
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That News article described Davis as a "slick left-handed fielder with a strong arm" , sounds like a plan to me.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2009 07:10 AM Re: IGT--Mets @ Braves, 09/16/09 |
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My hunch as to how the offseason will go: The Mets will stay in-house at first base (Murphy and Ike) and catcher (Thole and Santos), maybe bringing in a cheap older veteran to somewhat hedge their bets. Any money they spend will go to a left fielder and a starting pitcher.
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| metirish Sep 17 2009 07:13 AM Murphy Fragment |
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I could live with that Grim , and from what I remember of a FA list floating around here recently there ain't much out there, unless Prince can be had I suppose.
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| Edgy DC Sep 17 2009 07:17 AM Re: The Future of of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Hard to believe the Mets have enough doubloons to so entice the Brewers. I think we shouldn't worry our nights over the potential acquisition of Mr. Fielder.
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| TransMonk Sep 17 2009 07:18 AM Re: IGT--Mets @ Braves, 09/16/09 |
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[quote="Benjamin Grimm":iplqxezd]Any money they spend will go to a left fielder and a starting pitcher.[/quote:iplqxezd] I'd be fine with letting Murphy mature as the starting 1Bman if this happens. I'd definitely rather have Murphy than give up people for Prince. Prince is an injury (heart attack) waiting to happen.
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| Edgy DC Sep 17 2009 07:44 AM Re: The Future of of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Whatever faith I have in Moiphy was shook to the core last night. I've been rather surfing on the idea that he was a useful developing hitter placed in impossible circumstances this season. I didn't want him thrust into the lineup, but the reality is that injuries would have forced it anyhow, and his last-man-standing status meant that he's had to endure all this bloody mess, and the thousand traumas that are its heirs, before his time. I've still wanted to believe that he's a useful talented Magadanian hitter, that can work off the bench or fill a slot in an otherwise stacked lineup, and I pictured him opening next season on the bench (preferably), or at first (realistically), holding the postion until whoever the Mets get to play left moves to first to give FBomb (or somebody) his chance. Anyhow, today I'm thinking that he's like Ken O'Brien after 150 sacks, and he's been through too much to move forward with the aplomb that a young player needs to progress. Fran would tell you about shaky confidence, I guess. Today I'm thinking that he gets traded to the Marlins this offseason for somebody named Rafael, and the Mets end up filling the position with somebody not much better, but more expensive, and who the fans and teammates have more confidence in, because he'll be a veteran, and he'll carry himself with that big league aplomb, even if he demonstrates little discernable reason for said aplombiness. Not the happiest of thoughts, but whaddayagonnado? Oh, and one more thing, while I have my crystal ball fired up. This firstbaseman... his name may be Huff, or it may be Gibbons, or it may in fact be Millar, but he will almost certainly have the Orioles on his resume.
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| MFS62 Sep 17 2009 08:10 AM Re: The Future of of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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After last season, I had visions of Murphy developing into a Wade Boggs (not-so-)light based on his hitting approach and patience at the plate combined with his play at third base. I envisioned him moving to first base and becoming a doubles machine with a decent glove. Well, I was partially right. I prefer leaving Murph at first until Davis is ready. But lots of replacements from outside the organization have been mentioned. If Davis is the real deal, and we think he is, why spend the resources for another first baseman? If only for a "name" player, the one I do not want, under any circumstances, is Nick Johnson. We've seen the term "DL" too many times this season. Nick lives there when not demonstrating why his reputation as a fielder is far greater than what he shows on the field. (One year he actually made more errors per game than Mo Vaughn. Naturally, he only played 100 games that year in the minors because he was on the DL, but still finished with the second most errors for first basemen in all of organized baseball.) And, if you're looking for more home run power than Murphy has, why bother? Nick doesn't have that, either. I'll climb down off my soapbox now. Later
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| Edgy DC Sep 17 2009 08:23 AM Re: The Future of of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Right now, though, he's twice the hitter Murphy is.
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| duan Sep 17 2009 08:55 AM Re: The Future of of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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are we so quick to push delgado out of town? I'm not paying him 12 million or anything, but if you could get him on a one year deal at 4-6 wouldn't you do it?
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| Edgy DC Sep 17 2009 09:05 AM Re: The Future of of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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No, I'm not pushing.
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| TransMonk Sep 17 2009 09:06 AM Re: The Future of of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="duan":1teb9mk6]are we so quick to push delgado out of town? I'm not paying him 12 million or anything, but if you could get him on a one year deal at 4-6 wouldn't you do it?[/quote:1teb9mk6] Not if it means not getting a starter and LF to fill the gaps. Delgado cannot be relied on...but I would have more cahnfidence in him than Murphy when healthy. The money needs to go to legitimate upgrades IMO, which Delgado cannot be considered as one.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 17 2009 09:29 AM Re: The Future of of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="duan":35vbf8ww]are we so quick to push delgado out of town? I'm not paying him 12 million or anything, but if you could get him on a one year deal at 4-6 wouldn't you do it?[/quote:35vbf8ww] He'd be kinda hard to push aside when Davis arrives.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2009 09:35 AM Re: The Future of of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Well, that depends on what kind of season Delgado is having. If he's on his way to 35 homers, then Davis can stick in Buffalo for a while longer. But if he's hitting .220 with no power, then Davis pushes him aside. And if it's somewhere in between, well, you do whatever seems best.
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| Edgy DC Sep 17 2009 09:41 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Yeah, I'm all for working young guys in as old guys grow unproductive or hurt. If it becomes a problem --- Davis knocking them dead off the bench or in Buffalo, while Delgado is still performing well --- then it's the best sort of problem to have. The BEST!
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| Gwreck Sep 17 2009 10:08 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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They need to bring Delgado back. Murphy and his .711 OPS is simply not going to work.
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| TransMonk Sep 17 2009 10:15 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="Gwreck":21xcpsca]They need to bring Delgado back. Murphy and his .711 OPS is simply not going to work.[/quote:21xcpsca] 2009 Delgado = 26 games 2010 Delgado = 1 year older
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| smg58 Sep 17 2009 10:46 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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I think if Murphy has a future as a starting player, it will be as a third baseman on another team. FK is right that his bat and not his glove should keep him from starting at first. I think he'll improve as a hitter, but not enough to hold down first base on a good team. It's also frustrating that he has the physical skills to be a very good defensive ballplayer, and overall range doesn't appear to be his problem, but his lapses in concentration and tendency to turn routine plays into misadventures are compromising him big time. I'd like to see Ike Davis get a full year in AAA. The Mets have made a habit of bringing up players early and counting on them (like Daniel Murphy, for example) before they were really ready, which is something a contending team with a high payroll should never need to do. I'm for bringing in a one-year fix, either trading for somebody like Lyle Overbay or signing Delgado if he's healthy and willing to come back for $6M or less.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 17 2009 10:58 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="Edgy DC":32dc28j5]Yeah, I'm all for working young guys in as old guys grow unproductive or hurt. If it becomes a problem --- Davis knocking them dead off the bench or in Buffalo, while Delgado is still performing well --- then it's the best sort of problem to have. The BEST![/quote:32dc28j5] I just don't think Delgado is going to be of the frame of mind to accept a job that has him potentially becoming a non-starter by the All-Star break, especially with the Mets. I also think asking him to be great is a stretch considering his health and consistency these last few years. If that's the route they want to go, I think they'd sooner bring in a different veteran slugging 1B. But with fininaces being what they are, etc etc., I'd rather have Muffy/Carter singing for their suppers and Davis coming. And Evans, if Jerry sees anything he likes.
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| metsguyinmichigan Sep 17 2009 11:03 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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For all Murphy's issues last night, that doesn't forgive Frankie coming in and giving up a leadoff double. The game was destined to be tied at that point. After getting the lead in such a dramatic fashion, to lose it like that was a kick in the gut. That said, I don't want to give up on Murphy, but it's certainly a disappointing season. I'd like to see him get some winter ball and just get inning after inning after inning at first. There are always stop gap firstbaseman around if it gets to be spring and he's still not doing the job.
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| Edgy DC Sep 17 2009 11:15 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Well, I didn't see it, but my understanding is that one of those issues last night was that the double should have been an out if he'd successfully covered the line like he be supposed to.
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| Centerfield Sep 17 2009 11:21 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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With his horrible defense and .711 OPS, it's tough to make a case he should be starting anywhere, much less First Base. That type of production is more suited for backup catcher than first base on a contender. I'd have no problem with bringing back Delgado if he were reasonably priced AND if they Mets recognized the need to still upgrade the lineup with legitimate power. In his worst year, he beat Murphy's OPS by 70 points. And of course, he has upside if he is healthy. The problem is, I have very little faith in the Mets to do so. My fear is that if they re-signed Delgado, they'd act as if they'd addressed the power shortage, and you'd hear stuff like "We added a 35 HR guy to the lineup". Somehow, I made this Murphy thread into one about my lack of faith in Omar. Sorry.
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| metsguyinmichigan Sep 17 2009 11:28 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="Edgy DC":3nigktx6]Well, I didn't see it, but my understanding is that one of those issues last night was that the double should have been an out if he'd successfully covered the line like he be supposed to.[/quote:3nigktx6] My bad. I was following it online, and it didn't tell that part.
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| Ashie62 Sep 17 2009 12:03 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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I don't like first basemen that can't hit for power. Nick Johnson, Mancaveitch types...Olerud ability is about as low as I'd like to go on the power meter As far as Murphy goes, he's on my last nerve
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| Frayed Knot Sep 17 2009 12:50 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="Edgy DC"]Well, I didn't see it, but my understanding is that one of those issues last night was that the double should have been an out if he'd successfully covered the line like he be supposed to. |
| The Second Spitter Sep 17 2009 09:52 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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I love Delgado more than most, but his age, the nature of his injury and the length of time he's spent on the DL make it hard for me to believe that it's in the Mets best interests to re-sign him. I think he'll head back to Tee-dot, where can DH the majority of the time and hit his 500th HR as a Blue Jay.
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| Edgy DC Sep 17 2009 10:23 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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I'm not sure what folks are advocating. We're all aware of the risks of Delgado, certainly, but if not resigning him, and not returning Murphy, and not rushing Davis, what exactly are we pushing to see? Because I don't think Prince Fielder is really in play.
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| Valadius Sep 17 2009 10:49 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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I see Daniel Murphy as a latter-day Ty Wigginton. I'd trade him.
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| The Second Spitter Sep 18 2009 02:12 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="Edgy DC":egrymftd]I'm not sure what folks are advocating. We're all aware of the risks of Delgado, certainly, but if not resigning him, and not returning Murphy, and not rushing Davis, what exactly are we pushing to see? Because I don't think Prince Fielder is really in play.[/quote:egrymftd] Oh, I agree with you on Fielder and sorta regret ever bringing his name up. If the Mets were able to lure a LF slugger then I wouldn't object if they persevered with Murphy platooned with whoever. If not, I concede Delgado is a viable option, albeit not an ideal one. But it's difficult for any of us to make an informed call because of the uncertainty surrounding the Mets' finances for next season.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 18 2009 05:19 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="Edgy DC":2dm68jsd]I'm not sure what folks are advocating. We're all aware of the risks of Delgado, certainly, but if not resigning him, and not returning Murphy, and not rushing Davis, what exactly are we pushing to see? Because I don't think Prince Fielder is really in play.[/quote:2dm68jsd] Chris F Carter.
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| The Second Spitter Sep 18 2009 06:19 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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MLB Trade Rumors just posted the payroll outlook for the Mets for next season; http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/09/o ... -mets.html Some of the FA targets suggested by the writer scare me.
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| bmfc1 Sep 19 2009 07:18 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Keith Olbermann wrote about Murphy after last night's game: Daniel Murphy is not now a major league first baseman. After a game-losing, panicky, assumption-driven fiasco in Atlanta Wednesday, Murphy tonight failed to make what would admittedly have been a special pick-up on a tough hop off the bat of Christian Guzman in the top of the first. And a first baseman needs to be "special" defensively if he has no real history of power, and has produced only 10-56-.262-.414 on his first big league season. http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/
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| Ashie62 Sep 19 2009 08:28 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="Edgy DC":2ziucqri]I'm not sure what folks are advocating. We're all aware of the risks of Delgado, certainly, but if not resigning him, and not returning Murphy, and not rushing Davis, what exactly are we pushing to see? Because I don't think Prince Fielder is really in play.[/quote:2ziucqri] I'm all for giving Carlos a shot at the right price... If it works out I would like to see Murphy in a job where he is wearing suspenders and flair
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| Edgy DC Sep 19 2009 09:02 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="bmfc1":388ry861]Keith Olbermann wrote about Murphy after last night's game: Daniel Murphy is not now a major league first baseman. After a game-losing, panicky, assumption-driven fiasco in Atlanta Wednesday, Murphy tonight failed to make what would admittedly have been a special pick-up on a tough hop off the bat of Christian Guzman in the top of the first. And a first baseman needs to be "special" defensively if he has no real history of power, and has produced only 10-56-.262-.414 on his first big league season. http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/[/quote:388ry861] Yeah, and a smug snarking comtemptuous comic newsman has to be special journalistically if he has no real history of news outside of sports. I think we know that Mets' injuries have exposed players beyond their capacities. We don't need a guy blogging from the $2000 seats at Yankee Stadium III to say so.
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| metsmarathon Sep 19 2009 11:13 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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i'm sorry... i think even mex would've had a hard time with that play...
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| metirish Sep 19 2009 11:32 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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| bmfc1 Sep 19 2009 11:39 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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To me, Olbermann is a genius, news or baseball. Besides hosting his own news show, he is a baseball historian. Even if you don't agree with his politics, you cannot discount his baseball knowledge. He attends almost every game at CF and YS and I think that his words carry great weight. There are many who think that Murphy would be OK at 1B in '10 and I do not. When Olbermann posted similar thoughts, I wanted to share it with my friends at the CPF.
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| metirish Sep 19 2009 12:00 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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I like Olbermann plenty. I would agree with him on a lot of things. I did think Edge's comment was rather clever too.
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| Fman99 Sep 19 2009 01:45 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1906mro9][quote="Edgy DC":1906mro9]I'm not sure what folks are advocating. We're all aware of the risks of Delgado, certainly, but if not resigning him, and not returning Murphy, and not rushing Davis, what exactly are we pushing to see? Because I don't think Prince Fielder is really in play.[/quote:1906mro9] Chris F Carter.[/quote:1906mro9] Here here, give this guy a chance. If you're not getting 25 HRs from 1B you're behind the pace... especially with no LF power and a tremendous question mark on what Wright will do, power-wise, in '010.
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| Frayed Knot Sep 19 2009 02:00 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="bmfc1":1jadjm83]Keith Olbermann wrote about Murphy after last night's game: Daniel Murphy is not now a major league first baseman. After a game-losing, panicky, assumption-driven fiasco in Atlanta Wednesday, Murphy tonight failed to make what would admittedly have been a special pick-up on a tough hop off the bat of Christian Guzman in the top of the first. And a first baseman needs to be "special" defensively if he has no real history of power, and has produced only 10-56-.262-.414 on his first big league season.[/quote:1jadjm83] He also named him the worstest person in the world.
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| HahnSolo Sep 19 2009 02:05 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="bmfc1"]He attends almost every game at CF and YS and I think that his words carry great weight. |
| bmfc1 Sep 19 2009 02:14 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Yes. He misses some of course but if he's off from the show, there's a night game in NY (like last night). I should have said "a lot" rather than "almost" all.
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| G-Fafif Sep 19 2009 02:21 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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| Ashie62 Sep 19 2009 05:26 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Olbermann is too over the top on TV for me...kinda like the male Nancy Grace...
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| Edgy DC Sep 19 2009 09:57 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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I don't mean to be a douche. It just seems to me that nobody is going to come out and applaud Murphy's performance in the ninth inning. He lost them the game. Keith takes a pretty safe position there the morning after the night before. As for Murphy next year, sure, as long as (a) he plays markedly better, and/or (b) the Mets are otherwise stacked and clicking. As for whether he's a major league firstbaseman now, I imagine his tax forms say he is. Otherwise, first base seems like one of the bigger targets for the Mets to improve at during the offseason. He's certainly been one of the lower- (or lowest-) performing starting firstbaseman you can get your hands on. I'd love to give him a chance to improve. Preferably I'd like to see him try that off the bench. If he can't ever crack a stronger lineup, then he goes the way of the Boisclair.
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| Met Hunter Sep 21 2009 07:05 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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[quote="Ashie62":2c14xrzd]I don't like first basemen that can't hit for power. Nick Johnson, Mancaveitch types...Olerud ability is about as low as I'd like to go on the power meter As far as Murphy goes, he's on my last nerve[/quote:2c14xrzd] I disagree that the first baseman has to be a power hitter. It would help of course, and we've been spoiled with Delgado. But I'll take a slick fielding, clutch hitting, sharp minded Mex over a power hitter seven days a week. I'm also losing it with Murph. That's why I hate early comparisons to greater players.
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| Edgy DC Sep 21 2009 07:54 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Whether you like Delgado or hate him (or something in between), we've really never had a firstbaseman like him --- as common as his ilk may seem to be. Clendenon 1970 was pretty close, but batted righthanded. Milner was cut from the same cloth, but wasn't the same level of power threat even relative to the context.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2009 08:04 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Well, there was Mo Vaughn, who had his moments, but just not very many of them.
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| Edgy DC Sep 21 2009 08:10 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Yeah, but that's sort of what I mean. We've had guys who we meant to --- or hoped would --- perform like Delgado, but rarely has one for any meaningful length of time.
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| metsguyinmichigan Sep 21 2009 08:15 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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I'd like to see him get another chance. Isn't he hitting close to .300 since the All-Star break or something? It's a learning year, and I think it's too early to write him off. He's certainly had some horrible moments at first, but some nice ones, too. In a batting order with better players -- like the ones on our disabled list -- you wouldn't have him hitting clean-up and he might do better.
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| Edgy DC Sep 21 2009 08:20 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Exactly. The guy is young and cheap. The issue isn't him per se. But more good healthy players, which --- the reality is --- we've lacked this year. Don't hate on the guy because he's survived the plague of injuries and therefore been overexposed and left holding the bag.
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| metirish Sep 21 2009 08:34 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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My question regarding Murphy is this With hard work in the off season can he get better around the bag ? OK so the answer is of course he can.....but do you think he will ? I have my doubts that Murphy will ever get much better than what he has shown.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 21 2009 08:36 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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The Mets look bad for seemingly having too much faith in Muffy, though it should be noted that they were prepared to some degree to have him flop in LF with Sheff and Tatis etc. ready to step in, and that they wouldn't have planned 1B for him had Delgado not been hurt. That said, he's been disappointing considering the opportunity of a lifetime this season became for him. What's really missing from his game this year is the sense that he's got a plan when he steps into the box. Last year, his determination to make every turn at bat a Rocky-quality prizefight was thrilling and satisfying and to me portended he'd at the very least throw up a respectable OBP. But he really hasn't. On a side note, I like defense as much as the next guy, maybe more, but the suggestion that the Mets can get by with a shitty hitting first baseman with a good glove is forgetting the difference between Mientkiewicz and Delgado, the magnitude of it from '05 to '06. That's not to say I advocate going out and buying a new 1Bman for 10. I don't. I think Muffy/Carter can be a semi-adequate placeholder just as Wiggy was at 3B while we waited for Wright to arrive.
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| Ashie62 Sep 21 2009 08:56 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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With all the injuries Murphy has gottem the opportunity of a lifetime, and a chance for the Mets to find out about him in one shot...What do we have? Defense? We all know that one..Batting..decent K/BB ratio and not much pop. Mets future? Probably none..doesn't hit enough to hide the glove.. I think of Chris Carter as a Herd filler..He's not that young and has done little to date. It's Ike Davis' job to lose going into spring, and yes, he is being rushed. just my opinion
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| Edgy DC Sep 21 2009 09:04 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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That won't happen.
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| Ashie62 Sep 21 2009 10:07 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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May be... I think Omar will try to sell it
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| Edgy DC Sep 21 2009 10:25 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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In my experience, nobody looks so rushed as a rushed power hitter.
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| TransMonk Sep 22 2009 07:17 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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D. Murph in September 2009: 69 AB, 21 H, 11 R, 8 2B, 2 3B, 4 HR, 15 RBI, .304/.310/.652/.962 A small sample size in meaningless games (mostly losses), but slightly encouraging.
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| Edgy DC Sep 22 2009 07:44 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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It certainly complicates matters.
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| metsguyinmichigan Sep 22 2009 09:03 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Leading the team in home runs, and right behind Wright in RBI, according to Cerrone. Of course, leading this team in an offensive category isn't all that special, espcially when the number is 11. The chart is encouraging, though.
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| attgig Sep 22 2009 10:07 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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the problem with that chart is that it looks similar to last year's september which gave everyone a false hope. one great month does not a full time 1bman make....
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| TransMonk Sep 22 2009 10:17 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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They're better than last September's numbers. His August of 2008 was the eye opening month. But, you're right...one great month does not a full time 1B make. I'm just hoping it is a sign of things to come rather than a fluke. Way too early to tell.
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| Frayed Knot Sep 22 2009 10:22 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Actually, his Aug/Sept this year looks very different from what he did last year. As pointed out above, virtually no walks these days even though that was one of his most obvious strengths last season. Walk rate 2008: .084 {.397 OBA on a BA of .313} Walk rate 2009: .048 {.314 OBA on a BA of .266} but then look at his track record from Aug-Sept of '09: a walk rate of approx .011, or 4 BBs in 188 plate appearances (ML average is about .070) And, yeah, this recent surge and the real low walks is from a small sample size - hell, his whole career is - but that's kind of the point; I don't think we know what we really have in Daniel Murphy yet. He's a guy with one full season in the minors plus and parts of two others (less than 1,000 ABs) and was the 3rd position player from his draft year to reach the majors - something that's certainly not common for a 13th round pick.
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| MFS62 Sep 22 2009 05:29 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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On last night's radio post-game show, it was mentioned that Murphy has more extra base hits this September than any other National League hitter. I can live with that at the possible expense of OBP. And there's no guarantee that he can't go back to the patient approach he exhibited last year. Later
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| Frayed Knot Sep 22 2009 06:52 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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Sure, but you can't take the best of him during one (short) period and add it to the best of him during another span and say, hey look, 'he's a high-OBP guy with pop' when he's really only been each of those things briefly and not at the same time. Like I said earlier, I really don't think anyone knows what exactly Murphy is yet or what he's destined to be.
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| The Second Spitter Sep 23 2009 07:34 AM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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I'm not overly concerned by the drop in Murphy's walk-rate. It's probably a combination of pitchers figuring out where to pitch for him and (as others pointed out) his position in the line-up . You can argue that he may have seen better pitches to hit last season (yet was still able to amass a higher walk-rate) but that's counterbalanced by that the idea that pitchers may have learned where to pitch to him within the strike zone. It could also be attributable to batting with more runners on-base this season. In any case, he was never a prolific walker in the minors and at the risk of sounding like Joe Morgan, the onus is now on him to readjust.
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| metirish Sep 23 2009 02:03 PM Re: The Future of Murphy (split from 9/16 IGT) |
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NY Times article on Murphy Murphy nearing a Mets record
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