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Aroldis Chapman

attgig Sep 21 2009 01:58 PM

So, this name hasn't come up yet, but he's hitting the news now, since he just gained citizenship to Andorra. He's 21. throws a 102 mph heater. and he's a lefty. With the need for a better starting pitcher, is it worth dropping on contract on this guy and hoping he becomes our #2 behind johan? I can't imagine with all the 'financial ruin' talk that's been around, that we can afford a big contract on him as well as a bonafide #2. But is it worth maybe giving this kid a contract and starting him off at #5? obviously, the yankees are interested as are the other big market teams: sox, angels, dodgers. thoughts?

metirish Sep 21 2009 02:08 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Never heard of him but his Wikipedia opens with a startling declaration Albertin Aroldis Chapman de la Cruz (born February 28, 1988) is a Cuban baseball pitcher. Chapman has been called one of the "three great pitchers in the world right now who are not in the majors,"[1] along with Yu Darvish and Stephen Strasburg, who was drafted first in the 2009 Major League Baseball Draft. As noted elsewhere if it's on the web then it must be true.....

metirish Sep 21 2009 02:15 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

From SI Chapman's career record is 24-21 and he twice led the Serie Nacional, Cuba's professional league, in strikeouts. Despite the mediocre record, the money Chapman will command is expected to exceed the $32 million signing bonus the New York Yankees paid Cuban right-hander Jose Contreras, who was 31 when he joined the Yankees in 2002. Andorra's lack of income tax means Chapman will save money in his new homeland, Mejia says. I think I would be mildly surprised if he got that kind of money the same article has a scout projecting Chapman as a middle reliever rather than a starter , article also notes that with a weak FA pool that will drive up the price.

Frayed Knot Sep 21 2009 02:33 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

"Aroldis Chapman ... just gained citizenship to Andorra" Thus increasing Andorra's population to 13 He was in the news when he defected some months ago. As usual for Cuban players - and perhaps especially so for pitchers - the estimates of his value fluctuate wildly.

Ashie62 Sep 21 2009 02:37 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Chapman will get HUGE money...Cuba's best and his is a young flamethrower. I don't think the MFY's or Red Sox will lose out on this one. I've been aware of him..His Rookie Autograph is in the 2009 Bowman WBC set and is trading at about $175..

Centerfield Sep 21 2009 02:43 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Hmm, young lefty pitcher named Chapman? I think I've seen that kid before. From what I can tell, the kid throws hard, but $32 million might be a little much.

themetfairy Sep 21 2009 04:18 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

It's not nearly enough ;)

Ashie62 Sep 21 2009 04:24 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="themetfairy":2960728b]It's not nearly enough ;)[/quote:2960728b] If the Kid can play SS sign him now!! Great photo

themetfairy Sep 21 2009 04:33 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

He's a lefty. But he can replace Murph at 1st

Frayed Knot Sep 22 2009 07:44 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

BA: Cuban defector Aroldis Chapman has been "granted provisional passive residency in the country of Andorra pending the finalization of the process," according to a statement from his agency. Chapman, a 21-year-old lefthander, defected from Cuba while traveling with the Cuban national team in the Netherlands at the World Port Tournament in July ... has sent Major League Baseball his residency materials, which MLB must still investigate before declaring him a free agent. Buster Olney: - Chapman will throw for various teams and "the usual suspects will be involved" (read: big market clubs) - There are some questions about his 'makeup and command' - How much he gets will depend on the results/look of those side sessions he'll throw. Olney opined that he could get as much as Matsuzaka's $50mil or so - but of course that was the talk concerning Strasburg too, who wound up getting, what ... $18?. Sometimes I think these writers/analysts like throwing out big numbers just because it sounds so cool plus, if he ever does get that much, they can say they told us so way back when.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 22 2009 10:30 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="Frayed Knot"]BA: Cuban defector Aroldis Chapman has been "granted provisional passive residency in the country of Andorra pending the finalization of the process," according to a statement from his agency. Chapman, a 21-year-old lefthander, defected from Cuba while traveling with the Cuban national team in the Netherlands at the World Port Tournament in July ... has sent Major League Baseball his residency materials, which MLB must still investigate before declaring him a free agent.

Just as long as he doesn't do too much with said materials... don't want to violate the terms of his "passive" residency*, now.

*Que es esso? Non-working residency? A promise to not move around too much/say anything?

Ashie62 Sep 22 2009 10:52 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Aroldis Chapman is being guarded by Ugueth Urbina

Farmer Ted Sep 22 2009 11:28 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Andorra?

Frayed Knot Sep 22 2009 01:15 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="Farmer Ted":hk4ns6un]Andorra?[/quote:hk4ns6un] Well, he defected while in the Netherlands so he was kind of already in the neighborhood anyway. The fact that Andorra has a rep as a tax haven couldn't hurt in the decision making process. They also speak Spanish there although it's Catalan Spanish which is probably quite a ways from Cuban Spanish ... not that I suspect he'll be spending a lot of time there.

attgig Sep 23 2009 08:42 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

landlocked between france and spain. only rich people live there. and yeah, cuba was in the netherlands when he left, so, it does kinda make sense that he went there. smart agent.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 23 2009 12:45 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="Frayed Knot":ia9v0yt0] They also speak Spanish there although it's Catalan Spanish which is probably quite a ways from Cuban Spanish ... not that I suspect he'll be spending a lot of time there.[/quote:ia9v0yt0] Between his skin color and the "low" Spanish, he'll be getting some looks.

seawolf17 Sep 23 2009 01:12 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="attgig":2srck7af]landlocked between france and spain. only rich people live there.[/quote:2srck7af] Well, then he's going to need a big free-agent contract so he can keep up with his neighbors.

Frayed Knot Sep 28 2009 10:21 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Officially a free agent as of this past weekend. Jim Callis; Baseball America: I won't be surprised if Chapman gets [a contract worth] three times as much as Stephen Strasburg's draft-record $15.1 million contract. He's a 22-year-old lefthander with a fastball clocked at 100 mph at the World Baseball Classic, and he's on the open market—a potent combination. As one scout who saw him at the WBC said, "If you are looking for more than that in a pitcher, you'll be searching your whole life." But here's the kicker: Chapman never has dominated Cuba's Serie Nacional. He's much more of a thrower than a pitcher. Most of Cuban defectors haven't lived up to their hype, and the last Cuban pitcher to attract this kind of fanfare was Jose Contreras. Contreras has three good seasons and a solid 71-63, 4.63 career, but expectations were that he'd deliver a lot more after signing a $32 million contract with the Yankees. For me, Chapman would rank in the upper quarter of our 2010 Top 100 Prospects list, but I wouldn't put him ahead of [NYY catching prospect Jesus] Montero and he wouldn't be the No. 1 prospect for several other clubs. I'd take Jason Heyward (Braves), Buster Posey and Madison Bumgarner (Giants), Dustin Ackley (Mariners), Mike Stanton (Marlins), Strasburg (Nationals), Brian Matusz (Orioles), Pedro Alvarez (Pirates) and Neftali Feliz, Justin Smoak or Martin Perez (Rangers) ahead of Chapman without a moment's hesitation. A case also could be made that Chapman shouldn't be No. 1 over a healthy Jarrod Parker (Diamondbacks), Domonic Brown (Phillies), Desmond Jennings (Rays), Christian Friedrich or Tyler Matzek (Rockies) and Jacob Turner (Tigers).

Ashie62 Sep 28 2009 10:46 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

look ma, no Mets!! Chapman is pictured in my avatar

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2009 07:48 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Adam Rubin: The Mets are expected to have face-to-face dialogue with 21-year-old lefthander Aroldis Chapman and agent Edwin Mejia today [Friday]. Chapman, who defected from Cuba and established residency in Andorra to avoid the draft, arrived in New York this week. He reportedly throws 100 mph. A Mets scout already has watched Chapman work out when the pitcher was in Barcelona, Spain. It was not a private workout for them, but the scout managed to find out where he was working out and when he would be there and showed up. Still, the buzz is that the Mets have not been one of the more aggressive teams in pursuing Chapman. Here's the detailed bio Chapman's reps prepared about him ... Albertin Aroldis Chapman de la Cruz Bats: Left Throws: Left Height: 6' 4" Weight: 185 lb. Born: February, 28, 1988 in Cayo Mambí, Frank País, Holguín, Cuba * Has a wife and young daughter as well as parents and two sisters still living in Cuba * Holds the Cuban National Series record for fastest pitch thrown in a game at 102 mph. * Has a fastball (two seam or four seam), sinking fastball, curveball, slider, changeup and a forkball * Led the Cuban National Series twice in strikeouts in 2006-2007 and 2008-2009. * Was recognized as the top left handed pitcher in Baseball World Cup in 2007. * Defected from the Cuban National Team on July 1, 2009 while participating in the World Port Tournament in Rotterdam, Netherlands * Signed a representation agreement with Athletes Premier International (API) for contract negotiation and marketing on July 13, 2009 * Obtained provisional passive residency status in the country of Andorra on September 21, 2009 * On September 25, 2009 was declared a free agent by Major League Baseball following their investigation and the United States Department of the Treasury licensed Chapman as an unblocked National of Cuba Last two seasons: [table:34knff23][tr:34knff23][td:34knff23]G[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]GS[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]W[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]L[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]SHO[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]IP[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]H[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]AVG[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]R[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]ER[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]ERA[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]SO[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]BB[/td:34knff23][/tr:34knff23] [tr:34knff23][td:34knff23]16[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]16[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]6[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]7[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]1[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]74[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]55[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23].200[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]36[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]32[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]3.89[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]79[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]37[/td:34knff23][/tr:34knff23][tr:34knff23][td:34knff23]22[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]20[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]11[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]4[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]0[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]118.1[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]109[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23].252[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]56[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]53[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]4.03[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]130[/td:34knff23][td:34knff23]62[/td:34knff23][/tr:34knff23][/table:34knff23]

Benjamin Grimm Oct 24 2009 08:24 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="Frayed Knot":19cvrh9t] * Has a wife and young daughter as well as parents and two sisters still living in Cuba [/quote:19cvrh9t] I can't imagine how anyone can leave a family behind like that.

MFS62 Oct 24 2009 08:31 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="Benjamin Grimm":1tuwijrq][quote="Frayed Knot":1tuwijrq] * Has a wife and young daughter as well as parents and two sisters still living in Cuba [/quote:1tuwijrq] I can't imagine how anyone can leave a family behind like that.[/quote:1tuwijrq] Neither can I. Maybe they feel that if they make enough money, they'll be able to figure/fund a way to get the rest of the family out, too. Later

Edgy DC Dec 20 2009 08:18 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Florida opens the bidding at five years, $13.5 million, reportedly.

Valadius Dec 20 2009 08:37 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Wow, what a joke.

Frayed Knot Dec 20 2009 08:51 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Not sure I get the joke.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 20 2009 09:08 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Strasburg got 15.1 guaranteed over 4, and he's widely considered to be a more polished pitcher.

Valadius Dec 20 2009 09:36 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

My guess is his agent is at least looking for Contreras money, which if I recall was something like $8 million a year.

Frayed Knot Dec 21 2009 05:56 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Strasburg got 15.1 guaranteed over 4, and he's widely considered to be a more polished pitcher. 'He' - meaning Chapman - is considered more polished? I'm not so sure about that. Young pitchers are notoriously tough to project. Cuban players are notoriously tough to project. Put the two of those together to get a young, Cuban pitcher and it's going to be hard for anyone to get a handle on this one. Strasburg & Chapman are about the same age and, while Chapman pitched (at least theoretically) in a more advanced environment, virtually no reliable eyes saw him do so. A handful of WBC innings and this side throwing session is about all peeps have to go on. My guess is his agent is at least looking for Contreras money, which if I recall was something like $8 million a year. He can ask all he wants but it doesn't mean he's getting it. Contreras was a considerably older, more seasoned pitcher at the time of his defection and contract. Besides, it's not like that deal worked out all that well to the point where teams are going to be rushing to match it. I suspect he'll eventually get more than that Marlins offer but I don't think there'll be GMs lined up to blow it out of the water.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 21 2009 09:28 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="Frayed Knot"] Strasburg got 15.1 guaranteed over 4, and he's widely considered to be a more polished pitcher. 'He' - meaning Chapman - is considered more polished?

I meant Strasburg is considered to be more polished (precision, shaping a game, etc.). [My S-V agreement was on point (even if I left the comparative dangling at the end there-- more polished than WHOM? Himself, at an earlier stage?-- feh).]

And Contreras got his deal in a far less wintry baseball economy (that it was a year after 9/11 further illustrates how far in the shitter we continue to reside).

Ashie62 Dec 21 2009 10:28 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="MFS62":1u03xyqh][quote="Benjamin Grimm":1u03xyqh][quote="Frayed Knot":1u03xyqh] * Has a wife and young daughter as well as parents and two sisters still living in Cuba [/quote:1u03xyqh] I can't imagine how anyone can leave a family behind like that.[/quote:1u03xyqh] Neither can I. Maybe they feel that if they make enough money, they'll be able to figure/fund a way to get the rest of the family out, too. Later[/quote:1u03xyqh] I believe that would also be the strategy of Hispanic day laborers

attgig Dec 21 2009 02:22 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"][quote="Frayed Knot"] Strasburg got 15.1 guaranteed over 4, and he's widely considered to be a more polished pitcher. 'He' - meaning Chapman - is considered more polished?

I meant Strasburg is considered to be more polished (precision, shaping a game, etc.). [My S-V agreement was on point (even if I left the comparative dangling at the end there-- more polished than WHOM? Himself, at an earlier stage?-- feh).]

And Contreras got his deal in a far less wintry baseball economy (that it was a year after 9/11 further illustrates how far in the shitter we continue to reside).


but strasburg was bound to the nationals and only the nationals. free market vs draft really does make a difference. there's an amount that teams would be willing to go, but say strasburg was in the same situation as chapman... does strasburg end up with 15mil? or does he get more from a bigger market team? it's hard to compare the two contract wise, but I would find it hard to believe that chapman gets less than strasburg....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 21 2009 03:15 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Oh, understood. Which is why he'll get more... I just don't think the Strasburg neighborhood is an unreasonable starting spot. The Marlins also offer proximity to Cuba, which I'm sure factored in somewhat to what they put forth-- and what they didn't-- in their bid. I'm guessing he eventually ends up getting something like 4/20 or 5/24.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2010 12:04 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Latest buzz is that the Mets, Yankees, and Astros are OUT of the picture for Aroldis Chapman, and that the Red Sox and Angels are still in the running.

Edgy DC Jan 07 2010 12:07 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Did Peter Gammons say whether Siberia is still in the picture?

Ashie62 Jan 07 2010 12:34 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Chapman now hits 190MPH on the gun and has developed 4 more pitches in the last week

Valadius Jan 10 2010 12:04 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Chapman has signed with an unnamed NL team for $30 million.

Swan Swan H Jan 10 2010 12:05 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

He will, apparently, name the team for an extra $10 million.

Kong76 Jan 10 2010 02:43 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Signed and will be traded to Mets rumors?

Edgy DC Jan 10 2010 02:50 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Reports --- seemingly emanating from Yahoo's Jeff F. Passan --- say it's the Reds.

Frayed Knot Jan 11 2010 08:30 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Reds snag him with a 5 year deal plus an option for a sixth, the package said to be in the $25-$30 million (and almost certainly back-loaded) range. This will probably kick-start rumors of trades for pitchers Arroyo and/or Harang -- and possibly 2Bman Phillips.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 11 2010 08:54 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Reds snag him with a 5 year deal plus an option for a sixth, the package said to be in the $25-$30 million (and almost certainly back-loaded) range. This will probably kick-start rumors of trades for pitchers Arroyo and/or Harang -- and possibly 2Bman Phillips. We oughta be there for that. I'd hate to give him up, but Niese is an Ohioan and ready to step into a rotation but might not figure with the Mets. I could see a Niese-Castillo for Harang-Phillips dealio.

Frayed Knot Jan 11 2010 10:15 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

I suspect money could torpedo something like that as those guys are owed ridiculous amounts of money for not just this coming season but next year as well. I realize that's part of what makes the deals possible but, at the same time, somewhat prohibitive. Harang: $12.5mil in 2010; + a $2mil buyout or $12.75 in 2011 Phillips: $6.75 in 2010; $11 in 2011; + $1mil buyout or $12mil option in 2012, an option which becomes mutual if he's traded and just for kicks, Arroyo: $11mil this year plus a $2mil buyout or an option for $11 more next So that's getting rid of Castillo's 6 + 6 (plus Niese's min wage) in exchange for taking on around $20mil just for this year alone and then having to again find a 2B & a mid-range pitcher. Phillips has some pop in his bat and is a better fielder than Castillo at this point but barely gets his OBP above .325

Vic Sage Jan 11 2010 10:38 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

i'd do that deal in a heartbeat.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 11 2010 12:44 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

It's a trade you could make, and seems smart on its face-- OBP aside, Phillips provides positive-to-very-positive value in every other aspect of the game (plus-power for the position, plus-plus running and defense) and is smack in the middle of what should be his power prime. ... but if you're Omar, and you're considering/discussing a trade, you have to take into heavy consideration that THIS is your splashiest move until 2012. Once you make this trade-- which, if it's Harang/Phillips-Castillo/Niese or something like that, will mean your taking on at least 20-22 million in salary over the next two years-- next year's offseason is a virtual no-go zone. Next year's season, that is... in which at least a few of Beckett, Webb, Cain, De La Rosa, Kuroda, Lee and Vazquez are going to be available.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 11 2010 01:18 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Hey if you guys need Cincy to kick in more $$ to make this happen I'm all for it.

Vic Sage Jan 11 2010 01:21 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

The Mets competitive advantage is (or at least should be) their unmatched revenue streams (at least in the NL). The notion that this move won't be made because of $$ is infuriating.

attgig Jan 11 2010 01:35 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

The Reds have already declined a harang deal with the dodgers that would've cleared their payroll (i think they got sherrill back). I can't see them accepting something with the mets where they take on castillo's contract.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 11 2010 03:23 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

It's hard for me to believe that Oakland and Toronto weren't offering comparable-- if not equivalent-- deals. Maybe he's just more comfortable in red?

TransMonk Jan 11 2010 03:34 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

God he's good. My computer screen is never safe.

Edgy DC Jan 11 2010 05:11 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="Vic Sage":368hpn4v]The Mets competitive advantage is (or at least should be) their unmatched revenue streams (at least in the NL). The notion that this move won't be made because of $$ is infuriating.[/quote:368hpn4v] Well, we don't even know if such a deal is an option.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 11 2010 06:13 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="Vic Sage":1tumgmj7]The Mets competitive advantage is (or at least should be) their unmatched revenue streams (at least in the NL). The notion that this move won't be made because of $$ is infuriating.[/quote:1tumgmj7] Amen to that.

Ashie62 Jan 11 2010 10:06 PM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Are the Mets going to sign an SP or.. are they going to wait for Pelf,Ollie & Maine to fall on their asses.. I'm pissed

Edgy DC Jan 12 2010 07:01 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

I guess this is the pissed thread.

Frayed Knot Jan 12 2010 07:28 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="batmagadanleadoff"][quote="Vic Sage"]The Mets competitive advantage is (or at least should be) their unmatched revenue streams (at least in the NL). The notion that this move won't be made because of $$ is infuriating.

Amen to that.

Fine but, as mentioned, at the moment this remains a wholly CPF-created idea and not a certified on-the-table offer.

And also let's not pretend that every business doesn't have some kind of budget, and one way to smack up against that budget and limit flexibility for future moves is to make trades that commit nearly $35 million bucks for a grand total of three seasons* to decent - though hardly great - players like Harang & Phillips.
I'd want Cincy to eat some costs before I agreed to that deal or one like it and/or I don't think I'd be so quick to include a min-wage and ML-ready hurler. I'd just as soon bank on Niese to put up the ~ 4.50 ERA; 1.40 WHiP kind of stuff that (soon to be 32 y/o) Harang has done over the last two years while going 12-31 for the admittedly pretty bad Reds while signing a cheaper FA instead (Piniero?) rather than paying through the nose in 2010 for Harang's one truly good season (4th in CY) back in 2007.



* Two seasons of Phillips, one of Harang. Could also be approx $55 for 5 seasons (3 + 2) with options picked up.

metsmarathon Jan 12 2010 10:00 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

i advocate the FK plan above. piniero can match or approximate what you'd get out of harang, at a much lower cost. he also won't cost you any players. i'd much rather prefer to trade castillo for a painful one-year obligation than a painful multi-year obligation. in fact, if the choice is between hamstrining ourselves with luis castillo for the remainder of his contract, or trading him for a more odious two-year contract, wherein the return on investment is the same or worse, i'd rather just keep luis castillo. i think that overpaying for harang and phillips qualifies as worse ROI than castillo. more upside, sure, but its more likely we'd see what those two have provided in their most recent seasons.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 12 2010 10:10 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

[quote="metsmarathon":h7mr6f0d]i think that overpaying for harang and phillips qualifies as worse ROI than castillo. more upside, sure, but its more likely we'd see what those two have provided in their most recent seasons.[/quote:h7mr6f0d] Just for the record, I never weighed in on the merits of any of these hypothetical acquisitions. I just won't buy it if the Mets end up saying that they can't afford those guys.

Frayed Knot Jan 12 2010 10:53 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Not having the money to pull it off and not wanting to spend said money because it's deemed a dumb deal are two different things.

Edgy DC Jan 12 2010 11:16 AM Re: Aroldis Chapman

Like the Mets are going to say that.