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Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 26 2009 06:50 PM

[bigpurple:3i5x1xmi]BOOOoOoOoOoOooooOOOoOOoOOOOOOOooOoOoOoo![/bigpurple:3i5x1xmi]

metirish Sep 26 2009 07:05 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

Fuck you D fucking W, hey asshole why not just stay in FLA and fuck off to Hojo's house and hide , wanker.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 26 2009 07:26 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

And take your new French boyfriend with you.

Kong76 Sep 26 2009 07:42 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

I knew the big purple would be an eventual hit. Are we really starting to have hat for the best player on this team? Oh wait, that's Castillo. (didn't see the base running play that probably prompted this thread, was in the car and only half heard)

Kong76 Sep 26 2009 08:08 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

[bigpurple:2yr7ph94]eeek, just saw[/bigpurple:2yr7ph94]

Frayed Knot Sep 26 2009 08:36 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

I re-posting my reply from the IGT into this thread too just because it belongs and so I can bitch about it some more. * metfairy wrote: Francouer was out at 2nd before Wright crossed the plate, so his run didn't count. * Grimm wrote: I think I've seen that happen before, but I can't remember when. It's been a loooong time. FK: It's not the rarity of the play that makes this one so horrible, it's that Wright should have scored easily but didn't solely because he got lazy. And as much as we rag on the Jeter-ites in booths and in newspapers who treat him as if he can summon up magic on demand, this is absolutely a screw-up he'd never make. Also the boys in the booth screwed up a bit on their analysis. Wright didn't get a bad break because he failed to realize there were two outs (as G, K & R insisted) but rather because he was dodging the line drive. The slow start wasn't the problem -- the problem was after he rounded 3rd when he just dropped it to near walking speed without ever even taking a glance at what Francoeur was up to. Even a quick glimpse and he would have known to run through the bag. Even at half-speed he makes it easily. Francoeur's gamble in going for a double wasn't the best move he ever made but the fact that Wright didn't score isn't on him, it's strictly on David.

bmfc1 Sep 26 2009 08:44 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

Good analysis, FK. Compounding my/our anger was the fact that the Jeter "look at my website" commercial came on immediately after the inning. As was said elsewhere, no matter what we think of Jeter and his supporters in the press, he would have run hard the whole way. For all the talk of fundamentals in ST, this team stinks at "the little things." No point in regurgitating it here, but when the "face of the franchise" does what he did tonight, not run hard for 180 feet, it speaks volumes about this team and how it's run.

Frayed Knot Sep 26 2009 08:50 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

Not that it excuses anything, but I'm sure David is fully into the 'can't wait for it all to be over' mode. Like even more than usual for a guy on a bad team at the end of a long year. Having to deal with a new and not always friendly park; tough year offensively all around even if some of the numbers are still decent; carrying the burden of being essentially the only live offensive threat for months at a time; being on a team that started mediocre, got worse, and then got worser and worsest. He looks totally run down and totally unlike himself, and has for a while now.

Edgy DC Sep 26 2009 09:17 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

Yes he does. How he can't do anything with outside pitches, when he used to live on them, makes my heart sink.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 26 2009 09:21 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

This would be a good time to reveal whatever injury he's been hiding, or say he's been at any rate. Cruel as well to have him come up again in the 9th with a chance to make it a game again and go down like a bitch before Matt F Lindstrom.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 26 2009 09:26 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

Jerry Manuel labeled it unacceptable but noted that third base coach Razor Shines had indicated to Wright that he would score easily as he rounded third base, which shouldn't be the approach. Wright and Carlos Beltran will get Sunday's game off. Rubin -- [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/#ixzz0SH2SAgRp who also says Wright apologized to teammates

metirish Sep 26 2009 09:28 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

I assume Wright is at least making Molly pay hard for this , he's got to be taking it out somewhere.

Fman99 Sep 26 2009 09:45 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

Honestly, this late in the year, in a lost season, I don't even care. I didn't pay to watch tonight's game in person, or even watch on TV for that matter as we were off visiting my sister in law. It's late September, the Mets are 90 games out of contention and playing out the string. Fuck Derek Jeter, anyway. Don't perpetuate the barf.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 26 2009 10:14 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

It seems this ballclub has lost far more than a bunch of games over the last six months, doesn't it?

Valadius Sep 26 2009 11:46 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

I have no idea what's being talked about here, but Razor Shines has been abysmal and should be fired anyway.

dgwphotography Sep 27 2009 07:30 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

I was at my sister in law's house last night, and had to watch this while surrounded by MFY fans... The Jeter point was hammered on me constantly...

bmfc1 Sep 27 2009 07:33 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

So there's a signal telling the players not to run hard? Because we wouldn't want them to have to run hard unnecessarily? Why couldn't Jerry come out and say that what Wright did is unacceptable? Instead, he defended an act that Wright apologized for and threw one of his coaches under a bus.

dgwphotography Sep 27 2009 07:42 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

[quote="bmfc1":1re3v3t6]So there's a signal telling the players not to run hard? Because we wouldn't want them to have to run hard unnecessarily? Why couldn't Jerry come out and say that what Wright did is unacceptable? Instead, he defended an act that Wright apologized for and threw one of his coaches under a bus.[/quote:1re3v3t6] Jerry is in saving his ass mode - he knows that players not playing hard reflects on him, and Wright not playing hard is even worse...

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2009 07:45 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

[quote="bmfc1"]So there's a signal telling the players not to run hard? Because we wouldn't want them to have to run hard unnecessarily?

Yeah, sort of. Coaches will frequently say/indicate to a runner rounding 3rd that either they need to bust it home or that there'll be no play on them. Obviously there wasn't going to be a play on Wright but his mistake was taking Razor's assessment as a reason to shut off his brain as he jogged home as if nothing else going on on the field mattered. Again, if he even glances at Francoeur then none of this happens. It was dumpth stacked upon dumpth.

I'd view Jerry's side-note about Shines as an explanation rather than as an excuse, but he still would have been better off not even uttering it in the first place.

G-Fafif Sep 27 2009 09:21 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

Nice of the Mets to hire Timo Perez as baserunning coach.

Edgy DC Sep 27 2009 12:43 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

I'd really like to digest this without any more invocations of Jeter.

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2009 01:24 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

Fine. But if David wants to publicly say that D***k J***r is the type of ballplayer that he'd like to model himself after then he's going to have to take the comparisons. Been watching that other guy for 14 seasons now and he's never embarrassed himself with non-hustle the way Wright did yesterday or the way Reyes has on several occasions in a fraction of the time played.

G-Fafif Sep 27 2009 02:50 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

Perhaps we're falling for the disinformation campaign proffered by the vast Jeter wing conspiracy, but between his aforementioned Ford commercial coming on after that half-inning and the recollection of Jeter and Teixeira taking nothing for granted on a pop fly with two out in the ninth materializing in my head from June -- even while I declined his gracious invitation to visit his Web site...that fucker's everywhere.

Met Hunter Sep 27 2009 03:12 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

What pisses me off is that there is a coaches signal to slow down. But never with two outs. You can pull up with less than two like Pagan did on the previous run. But not with two. Thats why the two MFYs scored on Looies drop. Two outs. Someone over there must read the book once in a while.

Ashie62 Sep 28 2009 05:16 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

[quote="Edgy DC":2x7b6gpc]Yes he does. How he can't do anything with outside pitches, when he used to live on them, makes my heart sink.[/quote:2x7b6gpc] This too shall pass

Edgy DC Sep 28 2009 08:33 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

[quote="Frayed Knot":2bijfvry]Fine. But if David wants to publicly say that D***k J***r is the type of ballplayer that he'd like to model himself after then he's going to have to take the comparisons.[/quote:2bijfvry] Doesn't mean we have to be the ones making them. [quote="Frayed Knot":2bijfvry]Been watching that other guy for 14 seasons now and he's never embarrassed himself with non-hustle the way Wright did yesterday or the way Reyes has on several occasions in a fraction of the time played.[/quote:2bijfvry] He embarassed himself with boneheaded choices a few times in the World Baseball Classic. And his entire presence at short since Rodriguez has been aquired has been a team-hurting prima donna play, and a hustle of a different sort.

Frayed Knot Sep 29 2009 06:42 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

[quote="Edgy DC"]Doesn't mean we have to be the ones making them.

Hey, if the shoe fits ...

He embarassed himself with boneheaded choices a few times in the World Baseball Classic. And his entire presence at short since Rodriguez has been aquired has been a team-hurting prima donna play, and a hustle of a different sort.

Well you'll have to fill me in on the WBC bone-headedness examples. That doesn't mean I've never seen mistakes from the guy just not ones made from laziness or lack of baseball acumen.
The NYY SS/3B thing isn't even in the same ballpark as what I'm talking about.

Edgy DC Sep 29 2009 07:21 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

You're talking about Jeter, the paragon. And I don't know why. Wright's screwup is clear enough without such an invocation. I don't need a contrast with Jeter to know it's bad. Christian Guzman would be fine. Dozens of players get that play right every week.

Frayed Knot Sep 29 2009 08:09 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

The comparison between the two as being popular home-grown players who became real good real quickly on teams in the same city is obvious and I'm not going to ignore that because it's not fashionable around here. If Wright wants to be thought of as a Jeter-like player - and by his own admission he does to say nothing of the numerous Met fans who long for him to be thought of with similar reverence - then he can't make plays like that.

Edgy DC Sep 29 2009 08:16 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

It has nothing to do with "fashionable around here." I do understand that he has publickly stated an intent to hold himself to the Jeter Standard. I just don't think there was ever any such thing. And we needn't invoke it to criticize Wright for a screwup that's a screwup by any sensible standard.

metirish Sep 29 2009 08:20 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

The comparison with Jeter is a good one.....you don't have to search that hard to find David gushing about Jeter at the WBC upon learing that he was going to locker next to Jeter That's one of the guys I really wanted to see go about his business over the course of these three weeks," Wright said of Jeter. "[I want to] see how he prepares, kind of get in his mind a little bit and try to learn a little something. It was good to look over and see him to my left. I'm going to try to soak in as much as I can." "As a young player in New York, there's certain guys that you try to emulate, certain guys that you want to learn from -- both on and off the field," Wright said. "I'm excited to have a locker next to him, to play next to him and pick his brain a little bit. Obviously, he's a class act. I'm interested to get in his head a little bit." Rightly or wrongly Jeter is the guy Wright gets compared to in this town. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... p&c_id=mlb

Frayed Knot Sep 29 2009 08:33 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

[quote="Edgy DC"]I do understand that he has publickly stated an intent to hold himself to the Jeter Standard ... I just don't think there was ever any such thing.

See I do. Granted it tends to get warped in all the bullshit that surrounds him where media-types credit him with clutchness beyond what's reasonably possible much less remotely accurate, in the 'he makes everyone around him better' nonsense, and in the hype that credits him from everything short of making the post-game spread taste better. But on the field he rarely if ever makes the wrong choice, throws to the wrong base, gets thrown out on the basepaths, or takes a play for granted -- and that is a standard worthy of emulating and a basis for comparison.

Edgy DC Sep 29 2009 08:53 AM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

I don't know too many shortstops who ever throw to the wrong base. It's generally pretty clear where the play is for them. I think he gets thrown out on the basepaths at much more common rate than all that. He gakked several times in the World Baseball Classic --- in the field and on the basepaths. His throwing error finished off the Americans, and people excused it because somehow a Yankee firstbaseman would have caught it. The whole Marty Foster thing was embarrassing. "I'm Derek Jeter. I will let you know when I'm out."

Vic Sage Sep 29 2009 12:09 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

thank you, edgy, for not participating in the Jeter myth machine. Knot, you should know better.

Frayed Knot Sep 29 2009 12:45 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

I'm not buying into any myth. I've got maybe half-a-hundred posts here over time that say otherwise. The Jeter myth is about him being the 'clutch-est' person in the world and about the strawman argument involving intangibles and about performances that go on around him that are automatically attributed TO him. It's the columnist from earlier this year who claimed that any credibility that the WBC had is all due to Derek Jeter. It's about Rick Sutcliffe saying during the WBC that Brian McCann going to the opposite field could only have come about as a result of his pre-game conversation with Jeter. It's about the joke that made the rounds after ARod kept that kid from walking into traffic in Boston which said that Jeter wouldn't need to do that because he automatically makes everyone around him a better pedestrian. It's about repeating how he can raise his game when pumpkin-selling season rolls around when it's a claim that's demonstrably untrue. It's about making believe the catch he made while crossing the foul line before not being able to stop was one he didn't catch until he was air-born over Row C. Ironically, the Jeter myth-makers have been so busy over-selling mystical powers he doesn't have that they often miss or under-sell the fact that he's a terrific fundamental player and THAT is what I'm talking about. So, no, it's not about him never making a physical error, it's about rarely making play 'A' when play 'B' is the better choice. It's about never taking plays for granted and therefore being prepared if the unexpected does happen. It's about not staying put when he should be running and not running when he should be staying put. And it's about never NOT hustling. In short, it's a standard players should aspire to and so when one who claims to want to do just that doesn't it's a situation worthy of comparison - particularly when the two share both a city and a face-of-the-franchise label.

Edgy DC Sep 29 2009 01:03 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

Please show me some stat that says that Jeter regularly and significantly outperforms the mean as a baserunner, because I'm dubious.

Frayed Knot Sep 29 2009 01:38 PM Re: Hey... DAVID WRIGHT!

Mostly this is based on my observation of watching him in dozens of games per year over 14 seasons now. And while I don't have any stats on hand, I have seen some that have him almost never being thrown out on the basepaths (other than in steal attempts).