Oct 15 2009 08:52 PM
Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread
Who do we have to kill to get Kuo in our pen? I LOVE this guy.
"AND he spot-starts, too!"
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NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread
| Frayed Knot Oct 15 2009 07:03 AM |
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Thurs, 10/15 - 8:07 in LA Fri, 10/16 - 4:07 in LA Sat - OFF Sun, 10/18 - 8:07 in Phil Mon, 10/19 - 8:07 in Phil Tues - OFF Wed, 10/21 - 8:07 in Phil Thurs - OFF Fri, 10/23 - 8:07 in LA Sat, 10/24 - 8:07 in LA I hate these extra off-days, especially when you consider that their only purpose is to stagger the games so as to have as few week-end games as possible (running scared from football) and so that the WS starts in mid-week. The number of days where there are AL & NL games together doesn't change from the old format, it just takes longer to complete. Game 1 tonight -- Hamels vs Kershaw
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| Fman99 Oct 15 2009 07:18 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="Frayed Knot"]Thurs, 10/15 - 8:07 in LA Fri, 10/16 - 4:07 in LA Sat - OFF Sun, 10/18 - 8:07 in Phil Mon, 10/19 - 8:07 in Phil Tues - OFF Wed, 10/21 - 8:07 in Phil Thurs - OFF Fri, 10/23 - 8:07 in LA Sat, 10/24 - 8:07 in LA I hate these extra off-days, especially when you consider that their only purpose is to stagger the games so as to have as few week-end games as possible (running scared from football) and so that the WS starts in mid-week. The number of days where there are AL & NL games together doesn't change from the old format, it just takes longer to complete. Game 1 tonight -- Hamels vs Kershaw |
| Fman99 Oct 15 2009 06:44 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Dodgers up 1-0 on a Loney solo HR. Victorino pulls the same bush league move he did against the Mets this summer -- caught in a rundown, and goes WAY out of the basepath in an attempt to "collide" with an infielder nowhere near his way. Which, IIRC, some CPFers defended, to my dismay. He's a cunt is what I'm saying.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 15 2009 07:21 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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That was me arguing with you back then. My point was not that Victorino was right, only that it should be on the ump for falling for the ruse not on him for trying to get the call. I didn't see this one as I tuned in late.
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| Fman99 Oct 15 2009 07:32 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="Frayed Knot":2e9d2sov]That was me arguing with you back then. My point was not that Victorino was right, only that it should be on the ump for falling for the ruse not on him for trying to get the call. I didn't see this one as I tuned in late.[/quote:2e9d2sov] He ran all the way off the dirt and onto the grass inside the infield in the attempt to make the collision. And again, the umps didn't call him out for that (he was tagged before he made it back to first). To me it's a bush league play, like A-Rod slapping the ball out of the guy's hand back a few years ago. Meanwhile stupid Carlos Ruiz puts the Phils up 3-1 with a home run.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2009 07:34 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Ruiz? Carlos F-ing Ruiz? Kershaw shoulda shaved. Look stupid, pitch stupid. And now he puts Hamels on. Still nobody out in the 5th.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2009 07:46 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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For those scoring at home*, Talliver Perez over here now has three walks and three wild pitches. Howard's double makes it two XBH in the same inning... one more will complete the symmetry. *And if you are, your loneliness saddens me.
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| Fman99 Oct 15 2009 08:04 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]For those scoring at home*, Talliver Perez over here now has three walks and three wild pitches. Howard's double makes it two XBH in the same inning... one more will complete the symmetry. *And if you are, your loneliness saddens me. |
| Frayed Knot Oct 15 2009 08:05 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Well this game just got fun again.
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| Fman99 Oct 15 2009 08:05 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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An Utley throwing error on a DP ball opens the door for Manny who delivers the two run smash! 5-4 Phils, go LA!
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2009 08:09 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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After Hamels got all Peyton-Manning-blaming-the-receivers-after-an-interception following the blown DP, I'm glad his ass got tagged. Manny made a correction there between at-bats AND hit a good pitch out. Just... wow.
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| metirish Oct 15 2009 08:10 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Manny is some hitter , that wasn't a terrible pitch.
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| metirish Oct 15 2009 08:24 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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How about Belliard , from DC to this had got to feel good.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2009 08:31 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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I'll say this for Manuel-- he gets his money's worth out of the rubber-armers.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 15 2009 08:31 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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It's spot like this why they traded for Thome
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| metirish Oct 15 2009 08:34 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Every time I see Manuel walk I think of the Phillie Phanatic.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 15 2009 08:35 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Darling's right, the umps shouldn't allow this change. Just another in a long line of reasons why these games take 4 hours.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2009 08:52 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Who do we have to kill to get Kuo in our pen? I LOVE this guy.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 15 2009 09:09 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Gotta love Kid Pro Kuo. And how about this Chan Ho Park guy?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2009 09:14 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":312gp90z]Gotta love Kid Pro Kuo. And how about this Chan Ho Park guy?[/quote:312gp90z] Nice balls. Worse beard than Tom Cruise. Is it me, or is this Dodger pen-- Troncoso, Kuo, Sherrill, Broxton-- the biggest-assed pen in the majors?
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| Ashie62 Oct 15 2009 09:22 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="Frayed Knot":1twcc8np]Darling's right, the umps shouldn't allow this change. Just another in a long line of reasons why these games take 4 hours.[/quote:1twcc8np] But it does lengthen your Citified "World Class experience" Seems NL games take forever...I can do without such "intense" strategy for the DH.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2009 09:22 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Walk the leadoff guy, pitch around the second guy, hang breaking ball in the middle of the plate to power hitter. Sherrill bascially played Bullpen Goofus there. Wait... WHY did they pull Kuo, again? Is this a Torre "eighth-inning guy" thing?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2009 09:23 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="Ashie62":166vmak6]Seems NL games take forever...I can do without such "intense" strategy for the DH.[/quote:166vmak6] Spoken like a man who has never seen an American League game.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 15 2009 09:29 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Well here we go. Good news: Tying run at the plate. Bad news: It's Juan Pierre.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2009 09:45 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Manny kinda looked creaky-- slow on the trigger, head flying out on the swing-- on that AB, no? Sigh. Prediction: Lidge puts two on, then pops up a couple and ends it.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 15 2009 10:11 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":1ywixto0]Manny kinda looked creaky-- slow on the trigger, head flying out on the swing-- on that AB, no? Sigh. Prediction: Lidge puts two on, then pops up a couple and ends it.[/quote:1ywixto0] Close. Gotta burn the Dodger fans. And how do the Phils get away with their 8th inning guy giving up 4 hits an inning. christ.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 16 2009 08:29 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Walk the leadoff guy, pitch around the second guy, hang breaking ball in the middle of the plate to power hitter. Sherrill bascially played Bullpen Goofus there. Wait... WHY did they pull Kuo, again? Is this a Torre "eighth-inning guy" thing? |
| Close. Gotta burn the Dodger fans. |
| And how do the Phils get away with their 8th inning guy giving up 4 hits an inning. christ. |
| Frayed Knot Oct 16 2009 08:35 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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| Frayed Knot Oct 16 2009 10:26 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Game 2: Pedro vs Padilla - two guys who not only weren't with those teams at mid-season but one of which wasn't even employed in MLB
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 16 2009 10:41 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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X Dodger v. X Phillie is what I think of. Other Xs in this series Park Bowa Wolf Thome Werth
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| Ashie62 Oct 16 2009 10:47 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":37knqhkv][quote="Ashie62":37knqhkv]Seems NL games take forever...I can do without such "intense" strategy for the DH.[/quote:37knqhkv] Spoken like a man who has never seen an American League game.[/quote:37knqhkv] What I meant was the double switches, matchups, dead 6-9 batting orders wear on me at times. And yes, I know the MFY's don't do anything in 4 hours or less Can I have a Ronan Tynan mulligan?
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| Frayed Knot Oct 16 2009 10:49 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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| soupcan Oct 16 2009 04:07 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="Frayed Knot":1h6p4dq0]Also Philly coach Davey Lopes who refused to complete the 1970s foursome of LA infielders in yesterday's first ball throwing ceremony. Garvey, Cey & Russell were trotted out to do the honors but Lopes, who was obviously in attendance, didn't want to be cavorting with the enemy at this time.[/quote:1h6p4dq0] If that's true Lopes is a douchebag.
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| Edgy DC Oct 16 2009 04:17 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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I imagine the most vociferous of Mets fans would feel udderwise if he was a Mets coach and the Mets were the ones playing the Dodgers.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2009 04:21 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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1-0, World's Most Gracious Champions, into the eighth, on a Ryan Howard 4th-inning tater. Ugh.
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| soupcan Oct 16 2009 04:36 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="Edgy DC":948m9add]I imagine the most vociferous of Mets fans would feel udderwise if he was a Mets coach and the Mets were the ones playing the Dodgers.[/quote:948m9add] If that most vociferous of Mets fans were me, you'd be wrong. I spent a lot of time in L.A. During those Garvey-Lopes-Russell-Cey years and that infield was beloved by the fans. What would've been the problem in joining them to throw out the first pitch? Where's the downside? It's a slap in the face to those fans who remember and supported those teams.
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| Edgy DC Oct 16 2009 04:49 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Hey, I'm with you-um. But I've known plenty o' Mets fans to be pretty senstive about anything that smacks of (a) consorting with the enemy, or (b) coaches not seeming as hell-bent for victory as the fans think themselves to be.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 16 2009 05:20 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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P.S. Dodgers win mostly due to a Chase Utley error and a few walks along the way.
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| Fman99 Oct 16 2009 06:08 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="soupcan":328zq07v][quote="Edgy DC":328zq07v]I imagine the most vociferous of Mets fans would feel udderwise if he was a Mets coach and the Mets were the ones playing the Dodgers.[/quote:328zq07v] If that most vociferous of Mets fans were me, you'd be wrong. I spent a lot of time in L.A. During those Garvey-Lopes-Russell-Cey years and that infield was beloved by the fans. What would've been the problem in joining them to throw out the first pitch? Where's the downside? It's a slap in the face to those fans who remember and supported those teams.[/quote:328zq07v] Yep.
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 16 2009 06:34 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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I just checked in and saw the score. Yay! I certainly didn't want to see the Phillies take the first two in LA.
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| Kong76 Oct 16 2009 08:15 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Saw just the first couple of innings ... I second the yay!
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| G-Fafif Oct 17 2009 06:22 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="Fman99":xcspo9zr][quote="soupcan":xcspo9zr][quote="Edgy DC":xcspo9zr]I imagine the most vociferous of Mets fans would feel udderwise if he was a Mets coach and the Mets were the ones playing the Dodgers.[/quote:xcspo9zr] If that most vociferous of Mets fans were me, you'd be wrong. I spent a lot of time in L.A. During those Garvey-Lopes-Russell-Cey years and that infield was beloved by the fans. What would've been the problem in joining them to throw out the first pitch? Where's the downside? It's a slap in the face to those fans who remember and supported those teams.[/quote:xcspo9zr] Yep.[/quote:xcspo9zr] If the Mets were playing the World Series in Anaheim and the Angels wanted to reconvene their 1973 infield, I don't think I'd feel betrayed if Sandy Alomar stood for 15 seconds with Rudy Meoli, Mike Epstein and Dirty Al Gallagher.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 17 2009 12:54 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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LWFS (from the ALCS thread): "In Cholly's postseason world, EVERYBODY's potentially an OOGY. (I can understand this with, say, Ethier and his massive L-R splits.)" Interesting (8th) inning to look at as each of Manual's moves is defendable by itself - although almost all them wound up blowing up on him even as almost no one hit a ball hard. CH Park pitching: - Blake singled off the glove of Feliz at 3rd (could have been fielded although not an error) - Belliard, trying to sac bunt, got on via a single (1st & 2nd) - Martin hits a sure DP-ball which Utley throws away (tie game). A much worse error than the similar Game 1 play which was only partially his fault Eyre replaces Park to pitch to the LH Thome - Thome singles hard to RF (1st & 3rd) Out goes Eyre, in comes Madson - Furcal walks (bases loaded) - Kemp strikes-out He then goes to Happ against the split-challenged LH Andre Ethier - Ethier walks on a full-count to force in the go-ahead run Manual brings in Durbin against Manny - Ramirez pops out on the first pitch 5 pitchers, 8 batters. 3 hits, 2 walks. 2 runs, 1 earned. I don't know how long that half-inning took but it had to be 30 minutes or more all by itself.
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| metirish Oct 18 2009 06:34 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Kuroda getting hammered in the first, one out and four on the board so far.
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| Fman99 Oct 18 2009 06:53 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="metirish":3r34ur94]Kuroda getting hammered in the first, one out and four on the board so far.[/quote:3r34ur94] Boo.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 18 2009 07:06 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Hope the Dodger hotel bar's open late. They'll need it.
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| metirish Oct 18 2009 07:11 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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What's with all the too smart by half commercials on TBS?, it's a very annoying station.
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| metirish Oct 18 2009 07:19 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Jeez but Buck Martinez is annoying , thanks for explaining to me why Blinningsley was hitting there and not a pinch hitter.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 18 2009 08:40 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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The Phils are the only team left in the postseason with any offense to speak of.
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| Ashie62 Oct 18 2009 10:23 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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If the 1973 Angels infield were honored I would like a willing time traveler to put Jim Fregosi out there
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| Edgy DC Oct 19 2009 07:11 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Well, the other teams have good offenses. They just aren't displaying them currently.
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| metirish Oct 19 2009 07:14 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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I watch the Dodgers and I wonder how they got this far ,or how they even got into the post-season.They look terrible , Torre going with Kuroda and not Wolf seems a mis-judgment , especially after hearing the reasosn given....he looked great in Arizona...
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2009 11:11 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Not that these aren't minutely-sized samples, here, but: Kuroda's numbers against Philly: 0.95 ERA, 0.57 WHIP over 19 innings in three starts. Billingsley's: 3.24 ERA, 1.44 WHIP over 25 innings in four starts. Wolf's: 4.42 ERA, 1.31 WHIP over 19.1 innings in three starts. Weaver's: Um. Let's just say that his history suggests Weaver wasn't an option.
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| metirish Oct 19 2009 11:17 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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The other number is that he had not pitched since September 28th , anyway I don't think it would matter who they went with.
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| MFS62 Oct 19 2009 01:04 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="Ashie62":2plp7wk5]If the 1973 Angels infield were honored I would like a willing time traveler to put Jim Fregosi out there[/quote:2plp7wk5] Let's just stop the presses and give this the BOC top prize for the whole friggin' year. Later
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| Edgy DC Oct 19 2009 07:34 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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We're in a 2-2 tie here, folks. Now if Rafael Furcal could get his average above .071, it might help things. Hey, Raffy, I'll accept that crap from Casey Blake, not you.
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| Edgy DC Oct 19 2009 07:42 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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James Loney gets with the program.
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| Edgy DC Oct 19 2009 08:22 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Torre gets nutty in the sixth, using three pitchers to get three outs. Wolf gives up a run and gets replaces by Ronald Belisario. Belisario gets sent off to produce more Magnum, P.I. episodes while Kid Pro Kuo gets the last out.
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| themetfairy Oct 19 2009 09:20 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Ethier caught that with two hands. How odd....
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| Edgy DC Oct 19 2009 09:30 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Playoff baseball --- why use two pitchers when you can use 21?
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| Frayed Knot Oct 19 2009 09:58 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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And now add Jonathan Broxton to the list of post-season closers with a blown save. Every one of them so far except for Rivera.
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| metsguyinmichigan Oct 19 2009 10:57 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Damn the Phillies! Damn them!
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| Fman99 Oct 20 2009 06:15 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="Frayed Knot":1mkvwtz7]And now add Jonathan Broxton to the list of post-season closers with a blown save. Every one of them so far except for Rivera.[/quote:1mkvwtz7] Fuck Jonathan Broxton right in his big sugary booty.
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 20 2009 06:22 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="metsguyinmichigan":2wmqjpq7]Damn the Phillies! Damn them![/quote:2wmqjpq7] You're really going to have to do something to atone for that pulled pork.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 21 2009 06:33 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Game 5: Pitching around Utley & Howard in the first inning not looking like such a good idea right about now.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 21 2009 08:15 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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OVer two hours to play the first 4-1/2 innings - and I think the bottom 4th/top 5th took at least an hour of that time. Something's gotta be done about this. I know there have been a bunch of pitching changes but still ... it's like everybody's moving in slow motion.
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| SteveJRogers Oct 21 2009 08:54 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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I know, its like an AL game broke out.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 21 2009 09:17 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Dodgers need one or two big hits RIGHT NOW to make this a game/series again. Otherwise ...
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| Frayed Knot Oct 21 2009 09:27 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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And they don't get it. They had one run in and the bases loaded w/no outs but Madson got them to go pop-up, K, groundout Now it's all over but the shouting.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 21 2009 09:49 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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And the Mattingly curse continues
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 22 2009 09:25 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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There was just no getting over that Game 4 bed-shit. I guess I wasn't paying enough attention as the year went on, but what happened to Billingsley that he was relegated to a single appearance of mop-up in this series? I know he wasn't nearly as strong this year as the past few but still, I woulda expected they could roll the dice on his talent.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 22 2009 09:53 AM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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I think Billingsley and his late-season mediocre-ness got passed somewhere in the night by Padilla and his strong stretch following his August pick-up. Seems like LA had a lot of decent pitchers but none who were good from wire to wire so, as opposed to what he was used to for all those years, there were no clear-cut choices or defined order here for Torre.
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| HahnSolo Oct 23 2009 12:50 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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Now that we're talking about no-show Dodger pitchers, has Jon Garland fallen that far that he didn't even get on the roster?
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| metirish Oct 23 2009 12:55 PM Re: NLCS Phils-Dodgers In-Series Thread |
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[quote="HahnSolo":3k9xij30]Now that we're talking about no-show Dodger pitchers, has Jon Garland fallen that far that he didn't even get on the roster?[/quote:3k9xij30] I'd totally forgotten about him....and WTF was Thome doing on that team? , he had what one two AB's?
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