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Nymr83 Oct 09 2009 04:32 AM

Obama wins the nobel peace prize, he was in office for 2 weeks at the time of the deadline. Maybe he'll deserve it by the end of his presidency, but giving it to him now is a joke. Of course the award was once given to Arafat, making the voters less intelligent than those who handed Rafeal Palmiero a gold glove in a season where he played 130+ games at DH. Then my son then used the pool bridge to pick up the snake and remove it from the house. Animal Control personnel who let children do their jobs for them, your tax dollars at work.

metirish Oct 09 2009 07:14 AM Re: Thread without a Purpose 2009

[quote="Nymr83"]Obama wins the nobel peace prize, he was in office for 2 weeks at the time of the deadline. Maybe he'll deserve it by the end of his presidency, but giving it to him now is a joke.

I was going to make a new thread about this , I might not go as far as to say it's a joke but what has he done to deserve this? , I see this as a prize for what might come down the road with Obama's potential.

Edgy DC Oct 09 2009 07:16 AM Re: Thread without a Purpose 2009

It's pretty outrageous, isn't it? I try not to care too much about this sort of thing, but my wife logs on this morning and reads that to me and I was certain she didn't have her glasses on. ("Did a pizza company give him a prize? Is that what you mean?") I mean, giving him the highest award in the field of peace for his campaign rhetoric? It's pretty shocking.

metsmarathon Oct 09 2009 07:34 AM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

i take this as a slight against the american people. that we are so inherently, blindly, and purely racist that the only way for a black man to have been elected the leader of us all is for him to have accomplished the greatest feat of peacemaking that a man can make. i mean, isn't that what the award is about? or was getting the neo-cons out of office so great a feat of its own merit? from that standpoint, doesn't the peace prize belong to that guy who first suggested that pesky term limit amendment? hell, it should go to whoever got mccain to agree to sarah palin as his running mate every bit as much as it should go to obama. oe: i think its also possible to replace the word "racist" with "warmongering" and "black" with "peace-loving" or "diplomatic" and you'll get the same effect. but in my heart, i feel its moreso the former, and not the latter.

MFS62 Oct 09 2009 08:09 AM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

When I first saw the news, I thought it would be a link to The Onion. But I guess the voters told us that compared to dubya, anybody looks good. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 09 2009 08:12 AM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

To steal a line from LWFS, slow year for peace.

Edgy DC Oct 09 2009 08:16 AM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

[quote="MFS62"]When I first saw the news, I thought it would be a link to The Onion. But I guess the voters told us that compared to dubya, anybody looks good. Later

Whiich is the sort of bullshit narrowminded shortsidedness they're supposed to stand in the face of.

RealityChuck Oct 09 2009 09:12 AM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

It is a strange choice and clearly given because Obama wasn't Bush. I support Obama, but this is perplexing. BTW, the deadline for nominations is irrelevant. Nominations are just suggestions; the committee decides based upon their own criteria, whether someone is nominated or not.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2009 09:15 AM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

Well, he did close Guantanamo prison ... oh wait, he didn't. And then there's the troop removal from Iraq. Yeah it hasn't happened yet but he said he's going to do so. And then there's Afghanistan which ... er, never mind. Along the same vein I'd like to nominate Jerry Manual for the Manger of the Year award, His constant talking about the need to win during post-game chats and about the steps needed in order to start winning are an inspiration to baseball fans everywhere. I mean, yeah, no actual winning took place, but the fact that he openly discussed these things can't be overlooked.

Edgy DC Oct 09 2009 09:34 AM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

It'd be funnier if there weren't people with no money and no power and no publicity at all living and dying every day in the name of peace.

themetfairy Oct 09 2009 11:13 AM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":ljmq1tnq]To steal a line from LWFS, slow year for peace.[/quote:ljmq1tnq] Yes - that cracked me up this morning.

smg58 Oct 09 2009 11:51 AM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

In other news, Stephen Strasburg won the NL Cy Young Award.

Kong76 Oct 09 2009 12:25 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

The more I think of it, this award is an obamanation.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 09 2009 12:32 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

Back to back examples of bad ass-ocity! Cap tipped!

Benjamin Grimm Oct 09 2009 12:46 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

[quote="smg58":2o7rtde1]In other news, Stephen Strasburg won the NL Cy Young Award.[/quote:2o7rtde1] I was hoping they'd give it to a 9-year-old in the Dominican Republic.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2009 12:51 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

[quote="Kong76":29hr9jta]The more I think of it, this award is an obamanation.[/quote:29hr9jta] [u:29hr9jta]Obamanation[/u:29hr9jta] has got to be the headline in somebody's paper tomorrow. I'm betting on the Post. This thread is better than the award process so far.

Edgy DC Oct 09 2009 12:55 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

It would be wonderful if he chose to graciously decline the award.

metirish Oct 09 2009 12:59 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

[quote="Edgy DC":24tezq5g]It would be wonderful if he chose to graciously decline the award.[/quote:24tezq5g] Not going to happen the White House says, Obama sounded as surprised as the rest of us in remarks a while ago , very humble and gracious too.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2009 02:51 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

I don't expect he'd decline it. Donating a good chunk of the rather large cash award that comes with it (something like $1.5mil) to some org that did some actual peace work wouldn't be a bad idea though.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 09 2009 02:53 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

The community chest would take it!

Edgy DC Oct 09 2009 02:54 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

I didn't expect it either. I just thought it would be wonderful.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 09 2009 03:17 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

[quote="Frayed Knot":14qqp6xz]Donating a good chunk of the rather large cash award that comes with it (something like $1.5mil) to some org that did some actual peace work wouldn't be a bad idea though. [/quote:14qqp6xz] http://wjz.com/national/obama.peace.pri ... 37557.html I think donating all or almost all the cash to charity is standard operating procedure for Nobel winners.

MFS62 Oct 09 2009 04:23 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

[quote="Benjamin Grimm"][quote="smg58"]In other news, Stephen Strasburg won the NL Cy Young Award.

I was hoping they'd give it to a 9-year-old in the Dominican Republic. That kid? His passport says he's 7. Later

Edgy DC Oct 09 2009 04:45 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

"Certainly from our standpoint, this gives us a sense of momentum — when the United States has accolades tossed its way, rather than shoes." --- State Department Spokesman, PJ Crowley. In other words, "In your face, Bushie!" Kind of a bizzarre thing to say though. It's not like there's a shortage of people who'd like to throw something at the current president. Why wave a red flag at them?

Chad Ochoseis Oct 09 2009 08:10 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

After a year and a half of rooting for a Jerry Manuel-managed team, I thought I'd gotten pretty good at comprehending the incomprehensible. But I'm at a complete loss here: "Some people say - and I understand it - 'Isn't it premature? Too early?' Well, I'd say then that it could be too late to respond three years from now," Thorbjoern Jagland, chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, told the AP. "It is now that we have the opportunity to respond - all of us."

MFS62 Oct 09 2009 08:47 PM Re: The Prize for Peace (split from Thread w/o a Purpose)

From Yahoo.com: By JENNIFER LOVEN, AP White House Correspondent Jennifer Loven, Ap White House Correspondent – 2 hrs 1 min ago WASHINGTON – Now that he's Nobel laureate Barack Obama, will he find smoother sailing for his plans to rid the world of nuclear weapons, to forge Mideast peace and stabilize Afghanistan, to halt climate change? Not likely. The Nobel committee members made no bones about it: Helping Obama achieve ambitious peacemaking goals was their goal in awarding the prize Friday to an as-yet mostly unaccomplished U.S. president. But while the prestige could give Obama and his efforts a boost, nations steer their courses according to their own interests and little else. U.S. lawmakers, too, aren't going to be influenced in politically difficult votes on climate change legislation or nuclear-reduction treaties by the Nobel Peace Prize, no matter who wins it. That's not to say it wasn't an impressive achievement. At just 48 years old and not even nine months in office, Obama became only the third sitting U.S. president to win the prize. The widespread reaction, however, when the stunning news hit the nation was: For what? Obama said so himself. "To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who have been honored by this prize," he said hours after being awakened — and surprised — by spokesman Robert Gibbs. Comments from Nobel committee members revealed that they fully intended to encourage, not reward. Consider this: The nomination deadline was only 12 days after Obama first entered the Oval Office. It's an enduring myth that the prize is only about accomplishment — it actually was created as much to supply momentum for peace as to celebrate it. Indeed, with a leftist slant, the five-member committee was applauding Obama as much for what he's not — his predecessor. Former President George W. Bush was much reviled overseas for "cowboy diplomacy," the Iraq war and his snubbing of European priorities such as global warming. So some cheerleading probably can't hurt, as Obama presses forward on efforts to repair America's relations with Muslims, bring Israelis and Palestinians into fruitful negotiations and turn back climate change. The committee especially singled out Obama's aims to create a nuclear weapons-free world and to set out a new, more cooperative diplomatic doctrine. "I hope it will help him," Nobel committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said of the award. "Obama is the right man at the right time, and that's why we want to enhance his efforts." "I will accept this award as a call to action," Obama said. "This award must be shared with everyone who strives for justice and dignity." Still, Obama's efforts are at far earlier stages than past winners'. For instance: • He and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev have set negotiators working toward an agreement to significantly reduce nuclear warheads and delivery vehicles. But getting to zero nuclear weapons across the globe — something Obama acknowledged "may not be completed in my lifetime" — means corralling both friend and foe abroad and lawmakers at home behind a mind-bendingly thorny web of treaties and agreements. • Obama said he would end the Iraq war. But he launches deadly anti-terror strikes in Pakistan, Somalia and elsewhere and is running a second war, in Afghanistan, that he has already escalated once and is considering ramping up again while trying to persuade mostly reluctant NATO allies to contribute more. • He has pushed for peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. But there's been little cooperation so far from them. • His administration is talking to U.S. foes, like Iran, North Korea and Cuba. But there's not much to show from that, either. • He pledged to take the lead against climate change. But the U.S. seems likely to head into December's crucial international negotiations in Copenhagen with legislation still stalled in Congress and nations crucial to global agreement, including China and India, showing reluctance to come on board. With many seeing the award as premature, there's the chance it could provoke a small backlash that makes Obama's work harder. So, no doubt the news of the prize brought trepidation along with joy. As Obama's former foe for the White House, Republican Sen. John McCain, said: "He now has even more to live up to." Perhaps one reason there was no public celebrating at the White House on Friday. Later