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Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

Rockin' Doc Oct 25 2009 04:11 PM

ESPN sources report that Mark McGwire is being tabbed by Tony LaRussa to replace Hal McCrae as hitting coach for the Cardinals in 2010. [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4593412

MFS62 Oct 26 2009 08:11 AM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

This is going to give the term "take two and hit to left" a whole new meaning. Later

Edgy DC Oct 26 2009 08:29 AM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

In The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract, BJ had him as the best firstbaseman of all time not to play in the thirties (third behind Gehrig and Foxx), and that list includes a lot of other juicers, so part of his game was certainly understanding and applying technique.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 26 2009 08:35 AM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

I was surprised about McGwire simply because he's freaking disappeared since that testimony. But I'm wondering if this is a chance for him to rehab the image a little. It's easy to malign a ghost. But if he's back in the game, chatting up the writers, making himself available to answer a couple questions about the issue then moving on, he might get those Hall of Fame votes. Hell, ARod confessed, and you don't hear much about that anymore.

Edgy DC Oct 26 2009 08:39 AM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

Yup. Public rehabilitation has to start somewhere.

Ashie62 Oct 26 2009 11:06 AM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

Somehow, I'm for this..It's not like Kobe in Colorado, oh, he didn't do that, I forgot

metirish Oct 26 2009 11:12 AM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

I like it , and I would think that by the end of Spring Training it's not even an issue , probably before that even....hold the impromptu press conference in the dugout at the training facility because that's where they happen now and answer all the questions and that's it.

Edgy DC Oct 26 2009 11:26 AM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

The problem with a press conference is that McGwire has yet to (a) admit to using, or (b) get definitievely caught using, escaping the twin nets of the Mitchell Report and the leaky 2003 list. As the main evidence against him has been his muscles, his acne, and the claims of Jose Canseco, his strategy has been to evade and to get on a high horse about innocent until proven guilty. A change in that strategy would be no light thing.

Ashie62 Oct 26 2009 11:31 AM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

[quote="Edgy DC"]The problem with a press conference is that McGwire has yet to (a) admit to using, or (b) get definitievely caught using, escaping the twin nets of the Mitchell Report and the leaky 2003 list. As the main evidence against him has been his muscles, his acne, and the claims of Jose Canseco, his strategy has been to evade and to get on a high horse about innocent until proven guilty. A change in that strategy would be no light thing.

An admission would be quite an event..A circus for all of the talking heads on TV, geez, Nancy Grace will even pontificate

metirish Oct 26 2009 11:58 AM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

[quote="Edgy DC"]The problem with a press conference is that McGwire has yet to (a) admit to using, or (b) get definitievely caught using, escaping the twin nets of the Mitchell Report and the leaky 2003 list. As the main evidence against him has been his muscles, his acne, and the claims of Jose Canseco, his strategy has been to evade and to get on a high horse about innocent until proven guilty. A change in that strategy would be no light thing.

I never thought about all that, reading that then I find ti hard to believe he will go coach and create that kind of media scrum.

Edgy DC Oct 26 2009 12:07 PM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

Well, I think most of the media (that cares) consider his evasions more damning than the rest of the evidence put together. Certainly the voters seem to. It doesn't mean they won't make a show of it if and when he does come clean, but at least he'll have somewhere to start from in rebuilding his image.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 26 2009 12:12 PM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

I'm guessing this idea didn't look too hot at first to LaRussa, but it got steadily more attractive to him as the evening wore on.

Edgy DC Oct 26 2009 12:19 PM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

LaRussa owes McGwire quite a bit.

MFS62 Oct 26 2009 12:44 PM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

[quote="Edgy DC":1d8e8qxo]LaRussa owes McGwire quite a bit.[/quote:1d8e8qxo] He didn't pay for the last shipment? Later

metirish Oct 26 2009 01:49 PM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

I guess I should have read the provided link.....this is a done deal La Russa did say he hopes being back in the game will restore some luster to McGwire’s public image. I’m hoping. I think that’s a byproduct — he’s back in uniform, and people can see his greatness,” La Russa said. He added that answering questions about his past won’t be part of his job description: “Mark’s not going to be hanging around the cage just watching BP. That work ethic is going to translate into a heck of a coach. … It’s a good time in his life. His kids are in school. His wife wants him to do it. He’s been hired to be our hitting coach because he can help our offense be better. … “This is the time for Mark to join our club.”

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2009 04:53 PM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

He added that answering questions about his past won’t be part of his job description That doesn't mean he won't be asked about it

Nymr83 Oct 26 2009 09:18 PM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

He added that answering questions about his past won’t be part of his job description asking those questions will be part of reporters' job descriptions though. if he/they have any sense he'll talk about at the beginning of spring training so that its over with and not a distraction in April.

Edgy DC Oct 27 2009 07:15 AM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

One funny thing is that this story was apparently broken not by a Cardinal press release, but by a tweet from Brian McRae, announcing that his dad Hal had been fired by the Cards and that LaRussa had replaced him with McGwire. The Cards hadn't yet even officially announced that LaRussa was returning. It's getting real hard for the old-model PR team to do their jobs effectively in the nu media world.

metirish Oct 27 2009 07:42 AM Re: Should I use the cream or the clear, coach?

Some comments I read at the Post Dispatch site had people wondering why LaRussa signed on for only one year.....a few wondered if Big Mac was being primed for taking over in 2011