Nov 04 2009 08:08 PM
Re: WORLD SERIES
"You put 'Silver Spoons' on there, honky, and left us off? Hell, make it 128-- we'll still smoke you like Dr. J, you crazy crackers."
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WORLD SERIES
| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2009 09:21 AM |
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of sitcoms. Get yer nominations in for the field of 64. or 128?
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| metirish Oct 29 2009 09:30 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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A few guidlines please?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2009 09:32 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I don;t wanna be too heavy on the rules. Has to be a comedy tv show. Seinfeld Cheers Mash etc
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| metirish Oct 29 2009 09:35 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Married... with Children NewsRadio
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| Edgy DC Oct 29 2009 09:36 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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All in the Family The Honeymooners The Couple That Was Kind of Odd, When You Thought About It Happy Days may have been the undeserving king of sitcoms for ten years, but it was actually good for two, and deserves a nomination there. I assume The Simpsons and The Flintstones qualify. If so, I nominate.
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| Edgy DC Oct 29 2009 09:39 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Good Times, for having a studio audience who was liver than live. Black and white action takes me to Car 54, Where Are You?, from there to The Munstes, and naturally from there to The Addams Family.
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| Edgy DC Oct 29 2009 09:40 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Brady Bunch Partridge Family Monkees
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| Edgy DC Oct 29 2009 09:41 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Can Batman qualify with no laff track? Tune in tomorrow!
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| Swan Swan H Oct 29 2009 09:52 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Scrubs, The Big Bang Theory, I Love Lucy, F Troop and Night Court.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2009 09:53 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Batman does not qualify. It is a different genre
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| HahnSolo Oct 29 2009 09:54 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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The Odd Couple Arrested Development Cheers Soap Taxi Cosby Show Happy Days (though that has not aged well for me)
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 29 2009 09:55 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Frasier The Dick Van Dyke Show The Mary Tyler Moore Show The Bob Newhart Show Taxi Maude The Jeffersons Curb Your Enthusiasm The Office 30 Rock Everybody Loves Raymond
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| Edgy DC Oct 29 2009 09:59 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Were you just plowing through Norman Lear or do you really have a Maude jones?
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 29 2009 10:03 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I think Maude should be considered, but yes, I was on a bit of a Norman Lear roll. (I stopped well before Good Times, however.)
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| HahnSolo Oct 29 2009 10:06 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Laverne and Shirley, perhaps? Spin City
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 29 2009 10:12 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Not necessarily favorites of mine, but worth nominating: Family Ties The Andy Griffith Show The Brady Bunch Gilligan's Island Make Room For Daddy Sgt. Bilko (You'll Never Get Rich) Third Rock
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2009 10:28 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Hogan's Heroes WKRP Taxi Family Ties Barney Miller The Office Format will be NCAA style 64-show elimination bracket.
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| Kong76 Oct 29 2009 10:28 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Mork and Mindy
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| Edgy DC Oct 29 2009 10:31 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Funny, I was going to do a World Series of Songs from 1985 this offseason. Sanford and His Son Gomer Pyle and His USMC
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| Kong76 Oct 29 2009 10:31 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Chico and the Man
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 29 2009 10:49 AM Re: WORLD SERIES Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 29 2009 10:54 AM |
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For your consideration: Doogie Howser, M.D. The Drew Carey Show Dream On Ellen Extras Family Guy (not a favorite, but should probably be in the conversation) Flight of the Conchords Frasier Futurama Get Smart Golden Girls How I Met Your Mother I Dream of Jeannie It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (a bit of a dirtbaggy guilty pleasure) It's Garry Shandling's Show The King of Queens King of the Hill The Larry Sanders Show Malcolm in the Middle Murphy Brown My Name is Earl Roseanne Saved By the Bell (more for cultural import) South Park That 70s Show Some consideration, also, perhaps to the Brits: Absolutely Fabulous Coupling Father Ted Fawlty Towers Office (UK) Spaced The Young Ones Bolded ones kinda need to be in there, methinks.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2009 10:49 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Edgy DC"]Funny, I was going to do a World Series of Songs from 1985 this offseason. Sanford and His Son Gomer Pyle and His USMC |
| Edgy DC Oct 29 2009 10:53 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Not at all. You have the momentum. Although Murphy Brown can sure pull the break chord in any conversation about funny. Ugh.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 29 2009 10:59 AM Re: WORLD SERIES Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 29 2009 11:01 AM |
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[quote="Edgy DC"]Not at all. You have the momentum. Although Murphy Brown can sure pull the break chord in any conversation about funny. Ugh. |
| Rockin' Doc Oct 29 2009 10:59 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Two that were not specifially sitcoms, but i think well worth consideration: M*A*S*H and Northern Exposure.
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| Edgy DC Oct 29 2009 11:14 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Northern Exposure, I think fails to qualify, having neither a laff track nor a half-hour run time. Funniness of Cosby > Funniness of Murphy Brown X 5
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 29 2009 11:35 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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"Cosby" mostly holds up well. I can conjure at least 5-6 moments that just envisioning would make me smile for an hour. Thinking on it, I'm kind of amazed at how strong "The Office" (US) has been during its run. It's got to be knocking on the door of top-3 seed consideration (assuming we're going with regions), right? Also... "King of the Hill" has been on-- and putting forth a funny, tender and weirdly accurate depiction of suburban Texas life-- for 13 years. Just thought that bore noting. And who gets the #1 seeds, by the way? My picks... The Honeymooners The Simpsons Seinfeld The Mary Tyler Moore Show Alternates: I Love Lucy, Cheers, Andy Griffith, Roseanne, All in the Family
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| Edgy DC Oct 29 2009 11:49 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Mork would make quick work of the Extra-Terrestrial Sub-Regional. 1) Mork & Mindy 2) My Favorite Martian 3) Third Rock from the Sun 4) ALF
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2009 11:52 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Alf > Mork & Mindy. Geez.
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| Edgy DC Oct 29 2009 11:57 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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ALF? Maybe if you're high.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 29 2009 12:07 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Edgy DC":3gyso7yt]ALF? Maybe if you're high.[/quote:3gyso7yt] Considering Jerry Stahl's post-ALF writings, I'm pretty sure that was the suggested mode of viewing. But yeah, I'm with JCL. And "Futurama" is wondering where the hell their play-in game is.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2009 12:08 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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ALF was one of those shows where they could have (or should have) killed off all the characters except Willie and Alf and let them have the whole show. All of the rest of it was crap. I'm not sure over opening up the competition to UK-born-and-bred shows. Being free of the pressure to conform to idiotic US network formulaic expectations may give them an advantage. I see this as a competition between those with similar handicaps.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 29 2009 12:14 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":26veieo7]ALF was one of those shows where they could have (or should have) killed off all the characters except Willie and Alf and let them have the whole show. All of the rest of it was crap. I'm not sure over opening up the competition to UK-born-and-bred shows. Being free of the pressure to conform to idiotic US network formulaic expectations may give them an advantage. I see this as a competition between those with similar handicaps.[/quote:26veieo7] ... which eliminates HBO/Showtime originals (Larry Sanders, e.g.) as well?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2009 12:22 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I'd like to get the room's input on this, but I'd say probably. I'm all for shows that innovated within the confines or even broke the rules, but tough to compare something that specifically wasn't US network TV and something that was.
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| metirish Oct 29 2009 12:27 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Typical fecking yanks.....calling it a World Series and not including the reast of the world........but I see yer point..
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| MFS62 Oct 29 2009 12:30 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Unhapily Ever After. You can say it was a ripoff of Married ... With Children, but I think it was very funny in its own right. Later
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| soupcan Oct 29 2009 12:44 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Welcome Back Kotter
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| metsmarathon Oct 29 2009 10:17 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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saved by the bell doesn't count, does it? friends OE i'm offering saved by the bell for nomination, not questioning its inclusion. but LWFS already beat me to the punch, so consider it seconded. boy meets world the wonder years was a sitcom, right?
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| Edgy DC Oct 30 2009 05:42 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Dramady. No laff track. No studio audience.
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| Fman99 Oct 30 2009 06:43 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Finally, a World Series I can get excited about. South Park's inclusion is crucial. It is currently the only show that I'd categorize as a "sitcom" that I actually find funny.
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| metsmarathon Oct 30 2009 06:46 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Edgy DC":2lbewhwy]Dramady. No laff track. No studio audience.[/quote:2lbewhwy] that's what i figured.
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| metsmarathon Oct 30 2009 06:51 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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do we really need a studio audience? this holds relevance for notable sitcoms such as the office, scrubs, the simpsons, etc.
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| Edgy DC Oct 30 2009 07:52 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Point taken. I still say dramady. I think two of the three conditions must be met to call a sitcom a sitcom: [list][*]22 minute-ish run time[/*:m] [*]Laugh track --- or live giggly or drunk studio audience[/*:m] [*]More than 50% of plot points advancing comic situations, rather than dramatic conflict or character growth or nutritious stuff like that.[/*:m][/list:u] M*A*S*H* is shakey on point three, thanks to the Alda years, but meets the other two. Such a criterion probably need finetuning, but it's a framework, anyhow. Wonder Years hits on point one, fails on point two, and approaches but doesn't reach the threshold of point three.
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 30 2009 08:04 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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In the last decade or so, some hour-long shows have won a Emmy for best comedy. (Ally McBeal. Maybe Desperate Housewives?) I don't think shows like that should count. The run time, with commercials, should be 30 minutes.
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| soupcan Oct 30 2009 08:18 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Still accepting nominations? That Girl Rhoda
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 30 2009 08:22 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Should we include animated series? Many of them fit the mold, but some have "advantages" because cartoons can do stuff live-action shows can't. I'm not sure.
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| Edgy DC Oct 30 2009 08:27 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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What's a stake here? Flintstones Jetsons Wait 'Til Your Father Gets Home The Simpsons The PJs The Family Guy The King of the Hill South Park Futurama Sounds like you could do a seperate contest for prime-time comedy animation.
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 30 2009 08:27 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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My vote would be to skip animated series. If they're included, though, you can't leave out The Flintstones.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 30 2009 08:35 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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OK, we'll try to go without them. Mostly I was afraid that nothing could beat The Simpsons. Finally, I almost consider The Office et al, to be a kind of post-Sitcom show -- it leans on the old form for structure but also pokes fun at it, no laff track, documentary style, etc that's not sitcom.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2009 10:12 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Benjamin Grimm"]In the last decade or so, some hour-long shows have won a Emmy for best comedy. (Ally McBeal. Maybe Desperate Housewives?) I don't think shows like that should count. The run time, with commercials, should be 30 minutes. |
| Vic Sage Oct 30 2009 11:54 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I vote as follows: 1/2 hour comedy, originally produced on U.S. network, syndication or basic cable. No UK, no animation, no pay cable series, no 1hour shows ... they all have different economic or aesthetic parameters which leads to comparing apples to oranges. As to distinguishing comedy from "dramady" or other genres, i think a laugh track is a sufficient condition, but not a necessary condition. As long as a show fits into the other parameters and isn't clearly within another genre altogether, i don't have a problem with being slightly overinclusive. for example, i'd include "WONDER YEARS", "MOLLY DODD", "SPORTSNITE" and "BROOKLYN BRIDGE". I would include "BATMAN", too, except that you could say that its "2nite a week" structure really was a 1hour show split in 2. I just went thru a list of sitcoms on Wikipedia, and have come up with the following shows meeting these criteria, as well as being notable shows (either critically, commercially, cultural impact, staying power, ground-breaking, etc), but i've left out the above referenced "dramadies" because that seems to be the will of the people. [note: the list is not comprehensive; also, its roughly in chronological order] Abbott & Costello Ozzie & Harriet Burns & Allen I Love Lucy Honeymooners Phil Silvers (Sgt Bilko) Leave It to Beaver Make Room for Daddy Dobie Gillis Dick Van Dyke Show My three sons Patty Duke show Petticoat Junction Mister Ed Beverly Hillbillies My Favorite Martian Gilligan’s Island Addams Family Gomer Pyle Green Acres Munsters Hogan’s Heroes Get Smart F Troop I Dream of Jeannie Bewitched That Girl Monkees Brady Bunch Partridge Family All in the Family Maude Odd Couple Barney Miller Sanford & Son Mary Tyler Moore MASH Bob Newhart show Alice Good Times Jeffersons Happy Days Laverne & Shirley Mork & Mindy Three’s Company Welcome Back Kotter Taxi WKRP in Cincinnatti Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman Soap One Day At a Time Cosby Cheers Gimme a Break Coach Who’s the Boss? Facts of Life Different Strokes A different world Head of the Class Perfect strangers Married…wth Children It’s Gary Shandling’s show Seinfeld Everybody loves Raymond Family Ties Night Court Mad About You Doogie Houser Kate & Allie Family Matters Growing Pains Silver Spoons Murphy Brown Roseanne Frazier Fresh Prince Full House Drew Carey Step By Step Home Improvement Nanny Newhart Saved By the Bell Malcolm in the Middle Newsradio Friends Just shoot me Spin City 70s show Will & Grace Wings Arrested Development Still running: The Office 30 Rock My Name is Earl Scrubs 2 & ½ Men Other personal faves: Brooklyn Bridge Caroline in the City Courtship of Eddie’s Father Ghost & Mrs Muir Grace under fire Herman’s Head My world and welcome to it Duck Factory Nanny & the Professor Square pegs Sportsnight Wonder Years My Top (Baker's) Dozen: Honeymooners Dick Van Dyke All in the Family Mary Tyler Moore Odd Couple MASH Taxi Newhart Cheers Married with Children Seinfeld Friends 2 ½ Men
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| Fman99 Oct 30 2009 12:31 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]OK, we'll try to go without them. Mostly I was afraid that nothing could beat The Simpsons. Finally, I almost consider The Office et al, to be a kind of post-Sitcom show -- it leans on the old form for structure but also pokes fun at it, no laff track, documentary style, etc that's not sitcom. |
| HahnSolo Nov 03 2009 07:17 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Calling the selection committee!
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2009 09:01 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Sorry, I'm kinda bizzy today. If someone would like to take a crack at bracketing these bastids I'd appreciate it, or we can wait till I get fired. I was thinking lumping together by "theme" (family, workplace, etc etc) but wasn;t sure hjow it would turn out.
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| Number 6 Nov 03 2009 10:59 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I'm late with this, but Sports Night is the best show, like, ever. Of course, it was only two seasons, and only had a laugh track for one, and apparently nobody ever watched it... but I figure it would be a shame if it wasn't at least mentioned.
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| Vic Sage Nov 03 2009 11:13 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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how about brackets by decade? themes can get a little subjective. Decades are more clear cut, and this way their isn't a disproportionate preference for shows from a particular era, based on the demographics of this forum. In terms of assigning a show to a particular decade, if it spans 2 or more decades, it should be assigned to the decade which contains a majority of its seasons; if they're equally divided, then to the decade of its 1st season.
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| Vic Sage Nov 03 2009 11:14 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Number 6"]I'm late with this, but Sports Night is the best show, like, ever. Of course, it was only two seasons, and only had a laugh track for one, and apparently nobody ever watched it... but I figure it would be a shame if it wasn't at least mentioned. |
| Number 6 Nov 03 2009 02:21 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Vic Sage":jb66l4vj]i agree, and it was mentioned... see my first post above.[/quote:jb66l4vj] Ah! Missed it the first time.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 03 2009 09:20 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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2 and 1/2 Men? REALLY?
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| Edgy DC Nov 03 2009 09:38 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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The comic chops of Charlie Sheen. What can you say?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 03 2009 11:02 PM Re: WORLD SERIES Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 04 2009 12:20 PM |
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[quote="Edgy DC"]The comic chops of Charlie Sheen. What can you say? |
| Fman99 Nov 04 2009 06:19 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Edgy DC":4djd2apw]The comic chops of Charlie Sheen. What can you say?[/quote:4djd2apw] I'll give you a hint, it's something a cartoon ghost might also say when sneaking up on an unsuspecting rube.
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| Vic Sage Nov 04 2009 09:47 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I am working on 16-show brackets based on "eras" (chronological, but not stictly by decade, to allow greater flexibility in bracketing). Also, with 6 decades to deal with, I have 6 brackets, rather than 4 or 8. So, i'm proposing that the top 2 bracket winning shows (based on highest total votes overall) get a by into a 2nd round of quarter finals. If folks are cool with that, i'll proceed. I don't know how to put it all into the brackets, so i'll just post it here as lists and those that know how to do that stuff can then format it properly.
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| Vic Sage Nov 04 2009 03:51 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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1950s-early 60s 1 Honeymooners 1955 1956 2 I Love Lucy 1951 1957 3 Burns & Allen 1950 1958 4 Phil Silvers (Sgt Bilko) 1955 1959 5 Ozzie & Harriet 1952 1966 6 Andy Griffith 1960 1968 7 Abbott & Costello 1952 1953 8 Dobie Gillis, Many Loves of. 1959 1963 9 Make Room for Daddy 1953 1964 10 Leave It to Beaver 1957 1963 11 My Favorite Martian 1963 1966 12 Car 54, Where are you 1961 1963 13 Mister Ed 1961 1966 14 Donna Reed 1958 1966 15 Real McCoys 1957 1963 16 Hazel 1961 1966 1960s 1 Dick Van Dyke Show 1961 1966 2 Get Smart 1965 1970 3 Bewitched 1964 1972 4 Addams Family 1964 1966 5 My three sons 1960 1972 6 I Dream of Jeannie 1965 1970 7 Munsters 1964 1966 8 Gilligan’s Island 1964 1967 9 F Troop 1965 1967 10 Beverly Hillbillies 1962 1971 11 Gomer Pyle 1964 1969 12 Green Acres 1965 1971 13 Hogan’s Heroes 1965 1971 14 Petticoat Junction 1963 1970 15 That Girl 1965 1971 16 Monkees 1966 1968 1970s 1 Odd Couple 1970 1975 2 Mary Tyler Moore 1970 1977 3 All in the Family 1968 1979 4 MASH 1972 1983 5 Bob Newhart show 1972 1978 6 Barney Miller 1974 1982 7 Soap 1977 1981 8 Brady Bunch 1969 1974 9 Partridge Family 1970 1974 10 Sanford & Son 1972 1977 11 Happy Days 1974 1984 12 Laverne & Shirley 1976 1983 13 Welcome Back Kotter 1975 1979 14 One Day At a Time 1975 1984 15 Good Times 1974 1979 16 Maude 1972 1978 1980s 1 Taxi 1978 1983 2 Cheers 1982 1993 3 Cosby Show 1984 1992 4 Newhart 1982 1990 5 Family Ties 1982 1989 6 It’s Gary Shandling’s show 1986 1990 7 Night Court 1984 1992 8 Alice 1976 1985 9 Three’s Company 1976 1984 10 Mork & Mindy 1978 1982 11 Different Strokes 1978 1986 12 Facts of Life 1979 1988 13 Silver Spoons 1982 1987 14 Alf 1986 1990 15 Who’s the Boss? 1984 1992 16 Golden Girls 1985 1992 1990s 1 Married…wth Children 1987 1997 2 Seinfeld 1990 1998 3 Friends 1994 2004 4 Home Improvement 1991 1999 5 Frazier 1993 2004 6 Drew Carey 1995 2004 7 Roseanne 1988 1997 8 Mad About You 1992 1999 9 Newsradio 1995 1999 10 Wings 1990 1997 11 Boy Meets World 1993 2000 12 Spin City 1996 2002 13 Sports Night 1998 2000 14 Fresh Prince 1990 1996 15 Murphy Brown 1988 1998 16 Nanny 1993 1999 2000s 1 Everybody loves Raymond 1996 2005 2 Office, The 2005 present 3 30 Rock 2006 present 4 Scrubs 2001 present 5 Will & Grace 1998 2006 6 How I met your mother 2005 present 7 2 & ½ Men 2003 present 8 My Name is Earl 2005 present 9 It's always sunny in Philadelphia 2005 present 10 Big Bang Theory 2007 present 11 Arrested Development 2003 2006 12 King of Queens 1998 2007 13 That 70s show 1998 2006 14 Just shoot me 1997 2003 15 Malcolm in the Middle 2000 2006 16 Bernie Mac 2001 2006
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| soupcan Nov 04 2009 05:13 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I see an Odd Couple / Seinfeld final.
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| metsmarathon Nov 04 2009 05:20 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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i guess saved by the bell didnt make it. dang...
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| metsmarathon Nov 04 2009 05:22 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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gilligan's island looks like a sleeper
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 04 2009 06:48 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I have an idea for a parallel endeavor that I'll (if my motivation holds up) roll out when the voting starts. I'm not at liberty to say any more just now!
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| Edgy DC Nov 04 2009 07:32 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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11 Different Strokes 1978 1986 12 Facts of Life 1979 1988 13 Silver Spoons 1982 1987 14 Alf 1986 1990 15 Who’s the Boss? 1984 1992 16 Golden Girls 1985 1992 Suck, suck, stupid, Jon is high, suck, suck.
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| Fman99 Nov 04 2009 07:39 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Edgy DC":7lhfygfh]11 Different Strokes 1978 1986 12 Facts of Life 1979 1988 13 Silver Spoons 1982 1987 14 Alf 1986 1990 15 Who’s the Boss? 1984 1992 16 Golden Girls 1985 1992 Suck, suck, stupid, Jon is high, suck, suck.[/quote:7lhfygfh] How dare you insult "Golden Girls." I loved that show. Met Bea Arthur once. Really nice. We were using adjacent urinals. HIYO!
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| Edgy DC Nov 04 2009 07:40 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Funnier 80s shows (than those five) off the top of my head: Bosom Buddies Benson A Different World Dear John Mr. Belvedere Square Pegs Too Close for Comfort 227 (How come when I try to think of 80s sitcoms, I come up with black- and gay-themed ones?)
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| Fman99 Nov 04 2009 07:45 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Benjamin Grimm":pgotwvf7]I have an idea for a parallel endeavor that I'll (if my motivation holds up) roll out when the voting starts. I'm not at liberty to say any more just now![/quote:pgotwvf7] Is it "World Series of 1980's Sitcom Actresses that Fman Would've Violated"? Because Fmeat can come up with a long list, no problemo. Fmeat is looking forward to making an appearance. At the voting booth, that is ;)
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 04 2009 07:51 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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96 is too many. I could deal with knocking off the 2000 and 1950s brackets off the bat, and perhaps slotting selected titles from each in place of the non-networks, musicals, satires and non-starters between.
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| Fman99 Nov 04 2009 07:52 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Edgy DC"]Funnier 80s shows (than those five) off the top of my head: Bosom Buddies Benson A Different World Dear John Mr. Belvedere Square Pegs Too Close for Comfort 227 (How come when I try to think of 80s sitcoms, I come up with black- and gay-themed ones?) |
| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 04 2009 08:08 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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| Vic Sage Nov 04 2009 09:45 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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4 brackets - revised version: 1950s-60s 1) Honeymooners 1955 1956 2) I Love Lucy 1951 1957 3) Dick Van Dyke Show 1961 1966 4) Get Smart 1965 1970 5) Bewitched 1964 1972 6) Addams Family 1964 1966 7) Andy Griffith 1960 1968 8) Make Room for Daddy 1953 1964 9) Leave It to Beaver 1957 1963 10) My three sons 1960 1972 11) I Dream of Jeannie 1965 1970 12) Munsters 1964 1966 13) Gilligan’s Island 1964 1967 14) F Troop 1965 1967 15) Beverly Hillbillies 1962 1971 16) Petticoat Junction 1963 1970 1970s 1) Odd Couple 1970 1975 2) Mary Tyler Moore 1970 1977 3) All in the Family 1968 1979 4) MASH 1972 1983 5) Bob Newhart show 1972 1978 6) Barney Miller 1974 1982 7) Soap 1977 1981 8) Alice 1976 1985 9) Brady Bunch 1969 1974 10) Sanford & Son 1972 1977 11) One Day At a Time 1975 1984 12) Happy Days 1974 1984 13) Laverne & Shirley 1976 1983 14) Welcome Back Kotter 1975 1979 15) Good Times 1974 1979 16) Three’s Company 1976 1984 1970s-80s-90s 1) Cheers 1982 1993 2) Married…wth Children 1987 1997 3) Cosby Show 1984 1992 4) Newhart 1982 1990 5) Taxi 1978 1983 6) Family Ties 1982 1989 7) Roseanne 1988 1997 8) It’s Gary Shandling’s show 1986 1990 9) Night Court 1984 1992 10) Mork & Mindy 1978 1982 11) Square Pegs 12) Different Strokes 1978 1986 13) Facts of Life 1979 1988 14) Alf 1986 1990 15) Who’s the Boss? 1984 1992 16) Murphy Brown 1988 1998 1990s-2000s 1) Seinfeld 1990 1998 2) Everybody loves Raymond 1996 2005 3) 30 Rock 2005-present 4) Friends 1994 2004 5) Will & Grace 1998-2006 6) Home Improvement 1991 1999 7) Frasier 1993 2004 8) Drew Carey 1995 2004 9) Mad About You 1992 1999 10) Newsradio 1995 1999 11) Malcolm In the Middle 12) Wings 1990 1997 13) 2 and 1/2 Men 2003-present 14) How I Met Your Mother 2005-present 15) Fresh Prince 1990 1996 16) King of Queens
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2009 09:41 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Thanks. I'd suggest striking Garry Shandling (non-network parody) for WKRP in Cincinnati (textbook network sitcom). Any other objections to the above list? Any gross omissions? Get them in now before the Action starts.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 05 2009 09:42 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Wasn't Garry Shandling's show produced for Showtime, and then later rerun on FOX? I don't think it qualifies for our little tournament. WKRP is a reasonable substitution.
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| Edgy DC Nov 05 2009 09:56 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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The Partridges got killed?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2009 09:59 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I'd consider the Partridges as if not more sitcommy than SOAP, which was a parody.
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| Vic Sage Nov 05 2009 10:04 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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i took out the partridges at your request, regarding cutting the "musicals" (which i assumed was MONKEES and PARTRIDGE FAMILY). But i'd be fine with reinstating it, as well as WKRP, which i originally had somewhere along the way, and cutting GARY SHANDLING (tho' its one of my all time faves).
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| metirish Nov 05 2009 10:06 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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The Wonder Years probably doesn't qualify , does it?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2009 10:06 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Yeah, the prospect of trimming 32 shows had me on the Partridges. But with respect to Edgy's (passive aggressive, make me do all the work) complaint, it's less a musical than the Monkees.
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| Vic Sage Nov 05 2009 10:12 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="metirish":13ddz8uq]The Wonder Years probably doesn't qualify , does it?[/quote:13ddz8uq] it went the way of Sports Night, Molly Dodd and Brooklyn Bridge... to "dramady" death. and SOAP goes the way of MARY HARTMAN... to parody purgatory.
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| Vic Sage Nov 05 2009 10:17 AM Re: WORLD SERIES Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 05 2009 12:57 PM |
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4 brackets - revised revised version: 1950s-60s 1) Honeymooners 2) I Love Lucy 3) Dick Van Dyke Show 4) Get Smart 5) Bewitched 6) Addams Family 7) Andy Griffith 8) Make Room for Daddy 9) Leave It to Beaver 10) My three sons 11) I Dream of Jeannie 12) Munsters 13) Gilligan’s Island 14) F Troop 15) Beverly Hillbillies 16) Petticoat Junction 1970s 1) Odd Couple 2) Mary Tyler Moore 3) All in the Family 4) MASH 5) Bob Newhart show 6) Barney Miller 7) Partridge Family 8) Alice 9) Brady Bunch 10) Sanford & Son 11) One Day At a Time 12) Happy Days 13) Laverne & Shirley 14) Welcome Back Kotter 15) Good Times 16) Three’s Company 1970s-80s-90s 1) Cheers 2) Married…wth Children 3) Cosby Show 4) Newhart 5) Taxi 6) Family Ties 7) Roseanne 8) WKRP in Cincinnatti 9) Night Court 10) Mork & Mindy 11) Square Pegs [on edit: or, The Jeffersons?] 12) Different Strokes 13) Facts of Life 14) Alf 15) Who’s the Boss? 16) Murphy Brown 1990s-2000s 1) Seinfeld 2) Everybody loves Raymond 3) 30 Rock 4) Friends 5) Will & Grace 6) Home Improvement 7) Frasier 8) Drew Carey 9) Mad About You 10) Newsradio 11) Malcolm In the Middle 12) Wings 13) 2 and 1/2 Men 14) How I Met Your Mother 15) Fresh Prince 16) King of Queens
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| Edgy DC Nov 05 2009 10:23 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I thought Vic was doing the work. Partridges had plots and shit. Plots in The Monkees were sketches (often skipping into the surreal) that tied the songs together. Better show, but less sitcommy.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2009 10:27 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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All jokes aside... no "Jeffersons?"
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| Frayed Knot Nov 05 2009 12:16 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I'm coming a little late to this party so I hope I'm not destroying anyone's already-done work, but maybe we wouldn't have to limit things to just 64 if the early rounds were some sort of group cut-down rather than the head-to-head bracket-style match-ups. IIRC from the movie thread, some favorites were eliminated early due as much to tough match-ups as anything. Alternately, maybe a PotG-style voting process where a set number of shows from the same era are pitted against each other where [u:dhtjqw8d]several[/u:dhtjqw8d] of the top vote-getters live on. That would be a quicker way of eliminating the truly unpopular; it would shake the number of entries down to a more manageable amount for a bracket single-elimination; it would mean a show isn't killed off instantly because it draws Duke .. I mean Seinfeld in round 1; and you could even use those early round vote totals to help determine seeding for the later rounds.
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| Vic Sage Nov 05 2009 12:51 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":eyyxt9i1]All jokes aside... no "Jeffersons?"[/quote:eyyxt9i1] it was 1/2 70s and 1/2 80s. so it could go in the 70s-90s bracket. I guess we should bump square pegs which had a brief run, though developed a cult following. As for Knots' suggestion to kick the table over, that's on youse guys. My work here is done.
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| Frayed Knot Nov 05 2009 02:31 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Now that I've had a little more time to think about it, here's my suggestion: * start with Vic's original list of 96 -- that leaves fewer if any complaints about a worthy show or particular favorite being left out * further divide each of his era groupings into 2 groups of 8 - everyone then puts those in a 1-thru-8 in order of preference (similar to our Rankings project) * top 4 vote-getters of each group of 8 are kept, bottom 4 are tossed; this cuts the list in half after just 12 polls with little probability that any truly popular shows were eliminated due to a tough match-up * Top 16 scores of the remaining 48 get a bye into the next round while the other 32 get matched up based on 1st round scores and face off against each other in 16 one-on-one match-ups * After that play-in round you've got a 32 show tourney (16 byes plus 16 survivors) that fits easily into a bracket The exact rules/ratios of Step 3 are flexible. It could also be done keeping say the top 5 of 8 which would get you to around 64 in one step; or keeping just the top 3 in each and dumping 5 would get you close to 32 (or any other combo you want to use). I chose the 48/48 ratio because chopping the list in half gets rid of those which don't have a chance and because it gets you to an easy-to-use bracket number with no finagling. Maybe Grimm's 'magic spreadsheet' from his PotG project could help in the vote tallying during the initial (pre-bracket) part of the process?? - although he says he has something else in mind which may or may not conflict with this.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 05 2009 02:36 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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No, my "other thing" wouldn't conflict with what you suggest. I'm not so sure, though, that my magic Schaefer spreadsheet would be easily adaptable to this. Something else that we can keep in mind: The new PHPBB software allows for multiple votes in a poll. It's possible to set up a poll where each person gets to vote two, or three, or more times. I don't know if that would be helpful here, but maybe it would.
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| Edgy DC Nov 05 2009 02:48 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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We wouldn't necessarily have to do a 1-8 ranking, but perhaps only set up a poll that would allow folks to check up to four choices.
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| Frayed Knot Nov 05 2009 03:00 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Benjamin Grimm":3ua9it0d] The new PHPBB software allows for multiple votes in a poll. It's possible to set up a poll where each person gets to vote two, or three, or more times. I don't know if that would be helpful here, but maybe it would.[/quote:3ua9it0d] Yeah, I think it would be. I didn't realize we had that feature.
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| Fman99 Nov 05 2009 06:11 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Way too complicated. Just pick 64 and start the matchups. Don't make it science-y.
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| Kong76 Nov 05 2009 07:10 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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F99: Way too complicated. Just pick 64 and start the matchups. Don't make it science-y <<< This lot here thrives on complication.
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| Nymr83 Nov 05 2009 08:19 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I haven't seen many of the older shows on Vic's list there, but the only one i've never even HEARD of is a recent one, [u:qvggpuzj]newsradio[/u:qvggpuzj], I'd replace that with [u:qvggpuzj]Full House [/u:qvggpuzj]and be happy enough with the rest of that bracket as thats really the only missing show that i'd consider a "glaring" omission.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 05 2009 08:31 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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NewsRadio was a fantastic show. Full House sucked.
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| Edgy DC Nov 05 2009 08:45 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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I'd use Full House to replace, well, nothing. It was wretched.
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| Frayed Knot Nov 06 2009 07:19 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Kong76"]F99: Way too complicated. Just pick 64 and start the matchups. Don't make it science-y <<< This lot here thrives on complication. |
| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 06 2009 07:26 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Maybe we can pull off FK's idea with the current field of 64 anywhoo, Even less clutter. I thought only pedophiles liked Full House.
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| metirish Nov 06 2009 07:39 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Newsradio had Phil Hartman in his pomp.......Full House had Bob Saget....
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| Frayed Knot Nov 06 2009 08:37 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":38xdsnjm]Maybe we can pull off FK's idea with the current field of 64 anywhoo, Even less clutter.[/quote:38xdsnjm] I was just trying to keep the 'how did we leave off ... ?' complaints to a minimum (the cut-down list, for instance, scrubs [u:38xdsnjm]Scrubs[/u:38xdsnjm]) as virtually every show in Vic's original list had a long enough run to the point where one could make an argument for its inclusion. Excess clutter can be dealt with either by adjusting the pct of shows that survive the first round (best [u:38xdsnjm]three[/u:38xdsnjm] of eight advance maybe) or by using the multiple option poll for the first two rounds and not go to the head-to-head brackets until the field is much smaller.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 06 2009 10:39 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[quote="Nymr83"]I haven't seen many of the older shows on Vic's list there, but the only one i've never even HEARD of is a recent one, newsradio, I'd replace that with Full House and be happy enough with the rest of that bracket as thats really the only missing show that i'd consider a "glaring" omission. |
| Vic Sage Nov 11 2009 12:22 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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so what's the deal... is this gonna happen or what, yo?
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| Nymr83 Nov 12 2009 05:11 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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i just noticed another show i'd want in there isnt- "Charles in Charge"
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 12 2009 05:48 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Charles may not qualify as it, at least for most of its run, was a non-network show. Do yourself a favor sometime and see Gilbert Gottfried do his impression of Willie Aames in that show. Classic!
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| Nymr83 Nov 13 2009 11:22 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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sorry i didnt see the network clarification!
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| Fman99 Nov 23 2009 10:27 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Bump?
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| Centerfield Nov 23 2009 10:35 AM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Set?
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| metsmarathon Nov 23 2009 02:18 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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[bigpurple:38n9j9av]SPIKE![/bigpurple:38n9j9av]
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 23 2009 05:56 PM Re: WORLD SERIES |
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Ouch. Um, action coming soon or something
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